This is why we have a death penalty

[Saint John]

not to be a pain in the ass, sj..... but..... the whole closure thing is a load of crap. when something tragic happens that is life altering it never leaves you. we learn to cope and move forward, but there isn't closure. sorry, i don't mean to be a pain

You're full of poop. There's evidence to suggest that victims are often terrified that the person that harmed them is going to return. Killing that motherfucker eliminates that possibility and there is closure in that sense.

well pardon the fuck out of me.

Fixed that up a bit.

[Voyager]

Check this shit out:

Bizarre behavior

Authorities say it could take days to comb through the sites, where Garrido and his wife Nancy, 55, are alleged to have held Dugard and her two children in a secret compound. The pair were charged Friday with 29 counts of rape, lewd acts, kidnapping and false imprisonment.

Dugard, and her daughters, 11 and 15, remained in seclusion at an unnamed site in Northern California with her mother, Terry Brobyn of Riverside County. Dugard's half sister Shayna is also with them.

Meanwhile those, like Christensen who came into contact with Garridos during the last year, are reporting his increasingly bizarre behavior. Once both the Garridos came into Christensen's office at the recycling center, shut the door and asked for money to fund a new bathroom and backyard church.

"He started preaching and doing all this stuff. He was telling me about his voices. And then he said, 'You know I've been to prison, and I don't masturbate anymore.' Out of the blue," she said. "Then he started crying, and she was crying. I was looking at them — what is this about? I got freaked out."

Karunaratne also recalled increasingly strange behavior. When he picked up his orders at the Garridos' house, Garrido would often hop in Karunaratne's car, Bible in hand, trying to preach to him. Once Garrido played him a CD of religious country-rock songs — recorded, he said, in a sound -proofed backyard studio.

The printing business was a family affair, Karunaratne said."I met all of them, even the girl, Jaycee," he said. "She's the one who handled my printing. She's the graphic designer. She did all the layout, designing and everything. ,"

Impromptu sermons

To some, Garrido announced plans to give up the printing business and preach full time. Last year, he launched a company, God's Desire. His blog, called "Voices Revealed," describes a fascination with mind control and the ability to hear the voices in people's heads.

"The Creator has given me the ability to speak in the tongue of angels in order to provide a wake-up call that will in time include the salvation of the entire world," he wrote.

He asked to conduct a sermon at the Pittsburg wrecking yard JM Enterprise, according to owner Jim Molino, often engaging in religious discussions and distributing bottles of cold water to customers.

And he urged customers to sign testimonials confirming they had witnessed his ability to "control sound with my mind" and a device he developed "for others to witness this phenomena," according to Karunaratne and others.

On Monday, the same day he first sought an event permit at the University of California—Berkeley, he delivered documents to the Federal Bureau of Investigation in San Francisco. FBI spokesman Joseph Schadler described the documents as similar to the writings found on Garrido's blog.

"A good boy"

His father Manuel Garrido of Brentwood said that a motorcycle accident when he was a teenager robbed Phillip Garrido of his sanity. "He was a hell of a good boy," Manuel Garrido said. After the accident, when Phillip was a teenager, "they had to do surgery. After that, he was a different boy. Entirely different." He took LSD, described schemes to make millions of dollars, and said he could talk to God, according to his father.

[StoneCold]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -girl.html

[Ehwmatt]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209966/Jaycee-Lee-Dugards-prison-First-pictures-filthy-backyard-jail-religious-fanatic-held-kidnapped-girl.html

Revolting.

Put him to death, he'll still get plenty of time while the appeals run out to get buttfucked by some hardened con with a rhinoceros cock and maybe shiv'd in jail with the ol' shaved toothbrush.

I love how anti-death penalty people will say the better punishment is to spend a bunch of time in jail out of one corner of the mouth and then say the DP process takes forever and is costly with all the appeals out of the other corner. What a circular, bumfuck argument. Just admit you gotta wash your shirt five times a day because of the constant pool of blood on the left side of your shirt around the chest, don't try and say that kinda bullshit. DP you get the best of both worlds, they get to rot in jail for a long time and get your just desserts. Win-win.

[Lula]

when i say i'm not for the death penalty and it costs the tax payers more than a life in prison, i'm not talking out both sides of my mouth. i'm stating my opinion and a fact.

put him in prison amongst the general population and let the natural progression of events take place.

[Ehwmatt]

when i say i'm not for the death penalty and it costs the tax payers more than a life in prison, i'm not talking out both sides of my mouth. i'm stating my opinion and a fact.

put him in prison amongst the general population and let the natural progression of events take place.

I'm with you on that part, but if things don't happen that way, the fuck doesn't deserve to sit somewhere for 30+ years, being able to enjoy even such limited pleasures as magazines from the prison library or taking a shit in the morning, even if he is being raped or beaten in between those small pleasures.

[Uno_up]

While I agree with putting this shitstain in gp and letting nature take it's course, the reality is that because of bleeding heart ultra-liberal hippie groups such as the ACLU & prisoner's legal services, it will NEVER happen. The state has the legal right to protect these cocksuckers. His suicide would be the only decent thing that could happen to him (A win/win for taxpayers too!). May he forever burn in a boiling hot lake of piss in hell.

[treetopovskaya]

i'll never understand how people can be "pro-choice" but be against the death penalty. that imo is fucked up logic. when someone has an abortion some one dies.

to say i wouldn't have one but it's okay for others if that's what they choose to do makes me wonder why... those that wouldn't must think there is something wrong if it's something they wouldn't do themselves... but it is ok for others? makes no sense to me.

i'm not talking about anyone here directly so i hope no one thinks i'm pointing fingers at them. i have friends/family who are pro-choice... i could be talking about them. i don't think they're awful people... i just don't get their logic.

[treetopovskaya]

also i don't get why people keep having kids when they can't afford to take care of them. it's prolly cheaper to get tubes tied so people can't make the excuse of failed birth control.

[Ehwmatt]

i'll never understand how people can be "pro-choice" but be against the death penalty. that imo is fucked up logic. when someone has an abortion some one dies.

to say i wouldn't have one but it's okay for others if that's what they choose to do makes me wonder why... those that wouldn't must think there is something wrong if it's something they wouldn't do themselves... but it is ok for others? makes no sense to me.

Although I wouldn't presume to be a mind reader, usually when I find myself rationalizing things like that deep down I think there is a natural intuitive sense of something "wrong" that I don't want to admit because of my past acts or beliefs. I'm speaking in generalities here, not just abortion or even just political issues. In this case, it's the proponents' conception of "freedom" that drives them to partially override their own consciences (partially because of the betraying "WELL I WOULDN'T DO IT BUT THEY CAN!" rhetoric).

In another completely unrelated case, a man can rationalize cheating because "That's just what men do" or "All my friends do it" (a variation on the first) or even "I don't know what she's doing." I had a friend who rationalized that kinda stuff using the latter when his (very serious) girlfriend (bordering on fiancee here) was in Hawaii for a year on a consulting project.

He and I both knew he was full of shit... but when he'd ask, I'd find myself saying to him, "Well, I don't think I'd do that man, but I don't blame you for doing it." Really, I just didn't know what to say to him... I mean I really abhor infidelity in any kind of serious relationship, but you know, a part of me did understand or at least was able to rationalize it to the point where it was acceptable for him to do that. Hmm, maybe this is a bad alternative example, seems too hard to explain over the Internet.

[treetopovskaya]

this was written with farm animals in mind... but the same can be said about an unborn child...

"We ate no flesh in Eden, but afterwards, when things got hard, we forgot the peaceful kinship of that ancient kingdom. As our teeth sank into their flesh, we had to deny them. So we said they had no souls, no reason, no thumbs, no speech. We were so different. We made a chain of things to protect us - fire, medicine, our locking houses, many kinds of clothes. And we renamed them - farm product, fur crop, renewable resource. Pray that we will see their faces again in the mirror of creation, the miracle of animals, their clear eyes meaning more than profit to our own."

[JasonD]

i'll never understand how people can be "pro-choice" but be against the death penalty. that imo is fucked up logic. when someone has an abortion some one dies.

to say i wouldn't have one but it's okay for others if that's what they choose to do makes me wonder why... those that wouldn't must think there is something wrong if it's something they wouldn't do themselves... but it is ok for others? makes no sense to me.

Although I wouldn't presume to be a mind reader, usually when I find myself rationalizing things like that deep down I think there is a natural intuitive sense of something "wrong" that I don't want to admit because of my past acts or beliefs. I'm speaking in generalities here, not just abortion or even just political issues. In this case, it's the proponents' conception of "freedom" that drives them to partially override their own consciences (partially because of the betraying "WELL I WOULDN'T DO IT BUT THEY CAN!" rhetoric).

In another completely unrelated case, a man can rationalize cheating because "That's just what men do" or "All my friends do it" (a variation on the first) or even "I don't know what she's doing." I had a friend who rationalized that kinda stuff using the latter when his (very serious) girlfriend (bordering on fiancee here) was in Hawaii for a year on a consulting project.

He and I both knew he was full of shit... but when he'd ask, I'd find myself saying to him, "Well, I don't think I'd do that man, but I don't blame you for doing it." Really, I just didn't know what to say to him... I mean I really abhor infidelity in any kind of serious relationship, but you know, a part of me did understand or at least was able to rationalize it to the point where it was acceptable for him to do that. Hmm, maybe this is a bad alternative example, seems too hard to explain over the Internet.

Interesting point highlighted in blue, & we all know SOMEBODY is going to ask, so it might as well be me......

How many of you Pro-Death supporters would be willing to flip the switch yourself..... or pull the trigger..... or insert the needle .... or whatever??????? Just wondering.

[Ehwmatt]

Interesting point highlighted in blue, & we all know SOMEBODY is going to ask, so it might as well be me......

How many of you Pro-Death supporters would be willing to flip the switch yourself..... or pull the trigger..... or insert the needle .... or whatever??????? Just wondering.

The only qualm I would have is the same (and only) qualm I have with the death penalty in general: The possibility of innocence. Other than that, I don't THINK I'd have a problem... but it's a very tough question for sure and really probably nothing you can imagine until faced with the aftermath of doing it, much like an abortion or giving up a child for adoption or any other legal act with definite moral ramifications.

And interestingly, you can take my blue bolded sentence from above and sub in "justice" for "freedom" and you'll have an approximation of how I THINK I'd feel if tasked to carry the sentence out.

[treetopovskaya]

i'll never understand how people can be "pro-choice" but be against the death penalty. that imo is fucked up logic. when someone has an abortion some one dies.

to say i wouldn't have one but it's okay for others if that's what they choose to do makes me wonder why... those that wouldn't must think there is something wrong if it's something they wouldn't do themselves... but it is ok for others? makes no sense to me.

Although I wouldn't presume to be a mind reader, usually when I find myself rationalizing things like that deep down I think there is a natural intuitive sense of something "wrong" that I don't want to admit because of my past acts or beliefs. I'm speaking in generalities here, not just abortion or even just political issues. In this case, it's the proponents' conception of "freedom" that drives them to partially override their own consciences (partially because of the betraying "WELL I WOULDN'T DO IT BUT THEY CAN!" rhetoric).

In another completely unrelated case, a man can rationalize cheating because "That's just what men do" or "All my friends do it" (a variation on the first) or even "I don't know what she's doing." I had a friend who rationalized that kinda stuff using the latter when his (very serious) girlfriend (bordering on fiancee here) was in Hawaii for a year on a consulting project.

He and I both knew he was full of shit... but when he'd ask, I'd find myself saying to him, "Well, I don't think I'd do that man, but I don't blame you for doing it." Really, I just didn't know what to say to him... I mean I really abhor infidelity in any kind of serious relationship, but you know, a part of me did understand or at least was able to rationalize it to the point where it was acceptable for him to do that. Hmm, maybe this is a bad alternative example, seems too hard to explain over the Internet.

Interesting point highlighted in blue, & we all know SOMEBODY is going to ask, so it might as well be me......

How many of you Pro-Death supporters would be willing to flip the switch yourself..... or pull the trigger..... or insert the needle .... or whatever??????? Just wondering.

i'll answer when a "pro-choice" supporter comes in & answer the same question regarding abortion... could they perform an abortion? late term... partial birth?

[Ehwmatt]

i'll answer when a "pro-choice" supporter comes in & answer the same question regarding abortion... could they perform an abortion? late term... partial birth?

Touche, nice.

[Lula]

i'll answer. i could not preform an abortion. i could not 'flip the switch' either.

[*Laura]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

[JasonD]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

[Voyager]

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God.

Yeah, and you'd better be good or God might take you out like he did those 300,000 Indonesians with a tsunami.

[Ehwmatt]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

In purely logical terms, the executioner is acting in accordance with the dictates of public policy and society, which have decided said inmate should be put to death. A capital offender violated someone's right to life and in so doing, forfeited his own otherwise inviolable right to life and freedom, allowing the executioner to not be culpable or accountable to his own death sentence. Not to mention by the time the switch is being thrown or the needle is being inserted, the offender has exhausted all of his rights to due process and equal protection, something his victim(s) never got.

I understand the moral point you're trying to make, and for sure you're entitled to it, but that's a Grand Canyon of a logical pit you made there trying to make the executioner accountable the same way a capital offender would be...

[Arkansas]

Interesting timing. Just yesterday on one the HD movie channels, 'Tom Horn' was on. (This is a Steve McQueen turn-of-the-century western where he plays a hired gun for a cattleman's association, but gets caught up in 'old school vs. new business politics' and is tried for murder.) As they're building the gallows, the comment is made that they can't find anyone to be the executioner. What's divised is a water-weighted mechanism that triggers when the convicted person steps onto the center of the trap door. In some ways, the condemned commit suicide.

Not to shift gears too much, but it's an interesting story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Horn



later~

[JasonD]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

In purely logical terms, the executioner is acting in accordance with the dictates of public policy and society, which have decided said inmate should be put to death. A capital offender violated someone's right to life and in so doing, forfeited his own otherwise inviolable right to life and freedom, allowing the executioner to not be culpable or accountable to his own death sentence. Not to mention by the time the switch is being thrown or the needle is being inserted, the offender has exhausted all of his rights to due process and equal protection, something his victim(s) never got.

I understand the moral point you're trying to make, and for sure you're entitled to it, but that's a Grand Canyon of a logical pit you made there trying to make the executioner accountable the same way a capital offender would be...

I get what you're saying. I truly do. It's much in the same way that *Laura threw in the "What if it was YOUR daughter....?" line b/c I have a daughter who means the world to me & so I suppose that was my cue to change my stance.

If you're not a Christian or any other God-fearing spiritual person, then I don't expect you to understand. Now, I'm not referring to those so-called Christians out there who claim to be Christian, but in the very next breath yell "FRY THE BASTARD." I'm referring to actual Christians. Also, please don't think I don't know I'm opening up a whole Pandora's Box by saying what I just said & allowing every so-called Christian who is insulted by my last comment to come forth & throw their Bibles at me with venomous comments like, "If you're SO Christian, then how come you sleep with men....? yadda, yadda. I’m well aware of the repercussions, but that's an issue for another day and, no, I'm not trying to avoid the topic. It's just that Andrew gets pissed when I "go there," & so if you first clear it with Andrew, then I'll "go there." Otherwise, e'nuff said.

Back to the death penalty issue: I just believe that God's say-so outweighs that of the dictates of public policy & society. To me, the executioner IS just as accountable as the capital offender b/c, to me, killing is killing regardless of the context. If they are two separate entities to you, then everything else I say will be Greek b/c I'm speaking a different language.

[treetopovskaya]

i'll answer. i could not preform an abortion. i could not 'flip the switch' either.

my answer too.

it wasn't a valid argument to begin with.

[Ehwmatt]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

In purely logical terms, the executioner is acting in accordance with the dictates of public policy and society, which have decided said inmate should be put to death. A capital offender violated someone's right to life and in so doing, forfeited his own otherwise inviolable right to life and freedom, allowing the executioner to not be culpable or accountable to his own death sentence. Not to mention by the time the switch is being thrown or the needle is being inserted, the offender has exhausted all of his rights to due process and equal protection, something his victim(s) never got.

I understand the moral point you're trying to make, and for sure you're entitled to it, but that's a Grand Canyon of a logical pit you made there trying to make the executioner accountable the same way a capital offender would be...

I get what you're saying. I truly do. It's much in the same way that *Laura threw in the "What if it was YOUR daughter....?" line b/c I have a daughter who means the world to me & so I suppose that was my cue to change my stance.

If you're not a Christian or any other God-fearing spiritual person, then I don't expect you to understand. Now, I'm not referring to those so-called Christians out there who claim to be Christian, but in the very next breath yell "FRY THE BASTARD." I'm referring to actual Christians. Also, please don't think I don't know I'm opening up a whole Pandora's Box by saying what I just said & allowing every so-called Christian who is insulted by my last comment to come forth & throw their Bibles at me with venomous comments like, "If you're SO Christian, then how come you sleep with men....? yadda, yadda. I’m well aware of the repercussions, but that's an issue for another day and, no, I'm not trying to avoid the topic. It's just that Andrew gets pissed when I "go there," & so if you first clear it with Andrew, then I'll "go there." Otherwise, e'nuff said.

Back to the death penalty issue: I just believe that God's say-so outweighs that of the dictates of public policy & society. To me, the executioner IS just as accountable as the capital offender b/c, to me, killing is killing regardless of the context. If they are two separate entities to you, then everything else I say will be Greek b/c I'm speaking a different language.

And at this point, I think we will agree to disagree, otherwise this is gonna turn into religious differences 101 at MR

For what it's worth, I was a Catholic schoolboy all the way through high school and I HOPE there's something higher out there. I truly do. I just have never felt much from going to Church and what not. I only say this to acknowledge that I know where you're coming from with your stance.

[Michigan Girl]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

In purely logical terms, the executioner is acting in accordance with the dictates of public policy and society, which have decided said inmate should be put to death. A capital offender violated someone's right to life and in so doing, forfeited his own otherwise inviolable right to life and freedom, allowing the executioner to not be culpable or accountable to his own death sentence. Not to mention by the time the switch is being thrown or the needle is being inserted, the offender has exhausted all of his rights to due process and equal protection, something his victim(s) never got.

I understand the moral point you're trying to make, and for sure you're entitled to it, but that's a Grand Canyon of a logical pit you made there trying to make the executioner accountable the same way a capital offender would be...

I get what you're saying. I truly do. It's much in the same way that *Laura threw in the "What if it was YOUR daughter....?" line b/c I have a daughter who means the world to me & so I suppose that was my cue to change my stance.

If you're not a Christian or any other God-fearing spiritual person, then I don't expect you to understand. Now, I'm not referring to those so-called Christians out there who claim to be Christian, but in the very next breath yell "FRY THE BASTARD." I'm referring to actual Christians. Also, please don't think I don't know I'm opening up a whole Pandora's Box by saying what I just said & allowing every so-called Christian who is insulted by my last comment to come forth & throw their Bibles at me with venomous comments like, "If you're SO Christian, then how come you sleep with men....? yadda, yadda. I’m well aware of the repercussions, but that's an issue for another day and, no, I'm not trying to avoid the topic. It's just that Andrew gets pissed when I "go there," & so if you first clear it with Andrew, then I'll "go there." Otherwise, e'nuff said.

Back to the death penalty issue: I just believe that God's say-so outweighs that of the dictates of public policy & society. To me, the executioner IS just as accountable as the capital offender b/c, to me, killing is killing regardless of the context. If they are two separate entities to you, then everything else I say will be Greek b/c I'm speaking a different language.

Separation of church and state....

[JasonD]

Not going to get into the death penalty banter here, but I'm going to say this: that girl who was kidnapped, abused and deprived of her rights to have a normal life...what if she was YOUR daughter? Would you flip the switch? Would you insert the needle? I sure as hell would.

Scumbags who destroy human beings and take away other people's freedom to live should not be allowed to live either.

I just believe that no one has a right to take a life except for God. If someone is put to death by an executioner for taking the life of another, than who is going to put to death the executioner for taking the life of the death row inmate? And who is going to put to death the person who ended the life of the executioner who ended the life of the original death row inmate....? & so on, & so on, & so forth .....?

An eye for an eye leaves everybody blind.

In purely logical terms, the executioner is acting in accordance with the dictates of public policy and society, which have decided said inmate should be put to death. A capital offender violated someone's right to life and in so doing, forfeited his own otherwise inviolable right to life and freedom, allowing the executioner to not be culpable or accountable to his own death sentence. Not to mention by the time the switch is being thrown or the needle is being inserted, the offender has exhausted all of his rights to due process and equal protection, something his victim(s) never got.

I understand the moral point you're trying to make, and for sure you're entitled to it, but that's a Grand Canyon of a logical pit you made there trying to make the executioner accountable the same way a capital offender would be...

I get what you're saying. I truly do. It's much in the same way that *Laura threw in the "What if it was YOUR daughter....?" line b/c I have a daughter who means the world to me & so I suppose that was my cue to change my stance.

If you're not a Christian or any other God-fearing spiritual person, then I don't expect you to understand. Now, I'm not referring to those so-called Christians out there who claim to be Christian, but in the very next breath yell "FRY THE BASTARD." I'm referring to actual Christians. Also, please don't think I don't know I'm opening up a whole Pandora's Box by saying what I just said & allowing every so-called Christian who is insulted by my last comment to come forth & throw their Bibles at me with venomous comments like, "If you're SO Christian, then how come you sleep with men....? yadda, yadda. I’m well aware of the repercussions, but that's an issue for another day and, no, I'm not trying to avoid the topic. It's just that Andrew gets pissed when I "go there," & so if you first clear it with Andrew, then I'll "go there." Otherwise, e'nuff said.

Back to the death penalty issue: I just believe that God's say-so outweighs that of the dictates of public policy & society. To me, the executioner IS just as accountable as the capital offender b/c, to me, killing is killing regardless of the context. If they are two separate entities to you, then everything else I say will be Greek b/c I'm speaking a different language.

And at this point, I think we will agree to disagree, otherwise this is gonna turn into religious differences 101 at MR

For what it's worth, I was a Catholic schoolboy all the way through high school and I HOPE there's something higher out there. I truly do. I just have never felt much from going to Church and what not. I only say this to acknowledge that I know where you're coming from with your stance.

Matt, you never cease to amaze me. Here, I had my armor poised & ready for the extra troops I was sure you'd be sending in. No such luck & it’s all for the better, I suppose. You are correct that it's best if we just agree to disagree.

[treetopovskaya]

jason it's not you it's what is said to you that bugs some here. me included. i could give a rats ass if someone is gay or not gay... such a non-issue. about as important as me having brown eyes. who cares?

i think some of the dudes here are just so bi-curious. hehehee.

[Lula]

jason it's not you it's what is said to you that bugs some here. me included. i could give a rats ass if someone is gay or not gay... such a non-issue. about as important as me having brown eyes. who cares?

i think some of the dudes here are just so bi-curious. hehehee.

i'm with ya here. it was never funny to me and now it is a huge anannoyance. i like your posts, jason, but i hate some of the shit that follows. has absolutely nothing at all to do with you.

[JasonD]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm backing out of this thread b/c I don't know what else to say except, "Thank you, ladies." I'm terrible at accepting compliments b/c I don't hear them very often, so back-to-back words of praise are just a little too much for me. It brings out the embarrassed, clumsy, awkward, high-school prom, stupid side of me ----- & that's a side I don't like people to see.

Again, "thank you" is all I can say. You both have been very sweet. Take care.

[Ehwmatt]

Matt, you never cease to amaze me. Here, I had my armor poised & ready for the extra troops I was sure you'd be sending in. No such luck & it’s all for the better, I suppose. You are correct that it's best if we just agree to disagree.

Ya gotta know when the debate's over, ya know?