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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:23 am

Enigma869 wrote:Am I the only one who noticed Arnel said "Put" the midnight train going anywhere in the first verse of DSB? I played it 10 times, and he clearly isn't saying "took". Maybe he's tired. I must admit that I'm not nearly as impressed with Arnel (I still think he is a FAR better fit for Journey material than Augeri or Soto ever were) as I have been on previous occasions that I've listened to him live. I guess to be fair, it's early in the morning, but his voice sounds a bit flat to me.


It was actually recorded sometime after noon last Friday. So while it's early in rock star time it's not as early as if they were filming live for the CBS Early Show, like I think they did when they were on it with Augeri.
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Postby perryswoman » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:25 am

OKAY missed it!! Videos please?

Thanks!! :D :D :D
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Postby Arkansas » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:26 am

Enigma869 wrote:Am I the only one who noticed Arnel said "Put" the midnight train going anywhere in the first verse of DSB? I played it 10 times, and he clearly isn't saying "took". Maybe he's tired. I must admit that I'm not nearly as impressed with Arnel (I still think he is a FAR better fit for Journey material than Augeri or Soto ever were) as I have been on previous occasions that I've listened to him live. I guess to be fair, it's early in the morning, but his voice sounds a bit flat to me.


Voice sounded flat to me to too, and quite scratchy...lotsa power, but no high-end polish.
Wasn't this recorded last Friday afternoon?


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Postby Escape Artist » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:29 am

Say what you will, but this performance is light years ahead of the Augeri early show and the super bowl fiasco.
Arnel is a great fit for this band.
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Postby SultanOfSwing » Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:33 am

Escape Artist wrote:Say what you will, but this performance is light years ahead of the Augeri early show and the super bowl fiasco.
Arnel is a great fit for this band.


Amen to that brother...Man, I never watch Early Show, but this host chick is hot. I better start watching now :wink:
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Postby Lula » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:24 am

watching..... really bugs me that the years augeri kept the band on the road is simply forgotten.

dsb, eh, it was alright. arnel gets the job done. just doesn't do it for me.
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Postby RocknRoll » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:42 am

Link directly from CBS video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/ ... 4856.shtml

I didn't think the performance was one of the great ones, but good job in those conditions. AP and the band are doing just fine. :D
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Postby sonorstks » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:45 am

Comments about his voice being a bit scratchy are dead on, tour schedule probably contributing I'd imagine. Interesting though, even when he may be struggling a bit
he uses his strengths to cover it up. I thought this was a good outing for the band. As a side note, I think he needs to lose the mic toss. Looks
amateur, but I guess this is trivial. Arnel ROCKS!!!
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Postby kmjrr » Fri Sep 04, 2009 1:48 am

You know, I loved Steve Augeri, I met him, he's a great guy and I didn't like him being let go. That said, Arnel's voice is sooo much better, powerful, on key and great range. All of those things were issues in concert with Steve. Last week's concert in Des Moines was tremendous, best show I have ever seen since I started going in 2001 and best sound ever. And I must say it was awesome having 2 of my children with me to experience it.

I agree about the mic toss - the problem is he is watching the mic as it is tossed. JSS was the best at that.

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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:02 am

Arnel can clearly sing, and is a very talented vocalist. That said, even with all of his vocal talents, it once again illustrates just how difficult these songs are to sing. I honestly don't envy anyone who attempts to take this catalog on. The more I listen to the re-records on "Revelation", the more I marvel at just how astonishingly good Perry was!
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WTF????????

Postby roknroseville » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:12 am

SCHON KEEPS PUSHING THE BS STORY HOW JRY WAS MAD THAT THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYONE TO REPLACE STEVE PERRY . WHAT ABOUT STEVE AUGERI??

THEY MAKE IT SEEM LIKE AUGERI NEVER EXISTED. JSS ALSO....

GOOD STORY JUST NOT 100 % ACCURATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby livin2do » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:15 am

I had to watch the Early Show live because the hard drive on my DVR crashed last night - great timing, right? That was suffering enough, but at least I got the payoff of seeing Journey play several songs. I haven't been a fan of Arnel's live performance before now - although I thought he did great with vocals on Revelation. I don't know if this performance makes me much happier with his live sound, but it was a step in the right direction.

That being said, I kind of like that the raspiness in some of his vocals gives certain songs more of an edge than they have on their recorded versions. It doesn't help Don't Stop Believin', but it lends itself pretty well to Any Way You Want It, Be Good to Yourself, and especially Separate Ways. Since I've always preferred Journey's rock stuff to their ballads, this does breathe some life into the dirty dozen for me. And I will say this - while Arnel has the pipes to match the records note-for-note, he does little things here and there that give the songs his own signature. As much as I loved Steve Augeri, I don't think he really 'owned' the catalog the way Arnel does.

Since this will be the closest I come to seeing the band live this year (since they didn't play Phoenix, for some stupid reason), I'm pretty satisfied with what I heard. Well done.
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:21 am

livin2do wrote:That being said, I kind of like that the raspiness in some of his vocals gives certain songs more of an edge than they have on their recorded versions. It doesn't help Don't Stop Believin', but it lends itself pretty well to Any Way You Want It, Be Good to Yourself, and especially Separate Ways. Since I've always preferred Journey's rock stuff to their ballads, this does breathe some life into the dirty dozen for me. And I will say this - while Arnel has the pipes to match the records note-for-note, he does little things here and there that give the songs his own signature. As much as I loved Steve Augeri, I don't think he really 'owned' the catalog the way Arnel does.

Since this will be the closest I come to seeing the band live this year (since they didn't play Phoenix, for some stupid reason), I'm pretty satisfied with what I heard. Well done.


Good assessment. I think your thoughts on the "raspy" quality in some places and his inflections to add his own signature are spot-on.

And I think the band skipped Phoenix for much of the same reasons they skipped Chicago, St. Louis, Dallas, etc. etc. They're in secondary markets this year before hitting the big cities again for the album tour next summer.
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Postby tammy » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:22 am

I recorded the show and just watched it and aside from the mess up on a few words on DSB (put instead of took, she instead of he) I thought it was really good. I especially like how he lifted up his voice a notch higher at the end - I don't know what's called, an octave? - I just really liked it and replayed it a few times. I haven't seen Arnel with Journey in concert, but I do think he is the right fit.
The anchorwoman (I never watch this show so don't know her name) is clearly a Journey fan, but why she said Neal had been searching for 10 yrs for the right singer?
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:23 am

RocknRoll wrote:Link directly from CBS video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/ ... 4856.shtml

I didn't thik the performance was one of the great ones, but good job in those conditions. AP and the band are doing just fine. :D


Agreed about the conditions. Now, for some reason this vid stands out for me and really brings home what this band and Arnel can still do. Way better than most of the other YT vids out there. Arnel seems to have a better balance here of being energetic but yet more contained. Vocals are spot on. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hk9DDHZTHA
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Postby SultanOfSwing » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:23 am

No matter what Arnel does, good or bad, he will always be under the microscope from critics and fans just like his predecessors . You can't really satisfy everybody. :wink:
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:42 am

tammy wrote:The anchorwoman (I never watch this show so don't know her name) is clearly a Journey fan, but why she said Neal had been searching for 10 yrs for the right singer?



My hunch is that she, like many others, never really noticed Augeri. Augeri was the nicest guy on the planet, but simply couldn't sing the catalog, period, end of story! I thought the poor bastard was going to collapse on stage every time he had to hit a high note. No fault of his at all. He simply wasn't the tenor that the Journey sound was built on. It's why "Arrival" was so exceptional. It was Augeri singing songs that were designed for his vocal range, as opposed to having to emulate someone he simply didn't have the ability to emulate!
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Postby aliaslen » Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:55 am

tammy wrote:I recorded the show and just watched it and aside from the mess up on a few words on DSB (put instead of took, she instead of he) I thought it was really good. I especially like how he lifted up his voice a notch higher at the end - I don't know what's called, an octave? - I just really liked it and replayed it a few times. I haven't seen Arnel with Journey in concert, but I do think he is the right fit.
The anchorwoman (I never watch this show so don't know her name) is clearly a Journey fan, but why she said Neal had been searching for 10 yrs for the right singer?



I replayed that a few times too. I actually like his voice better when he belts a very high note and it was very pleasant to the ear.
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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:09 am

Well, I'm not a big fan of Arnel, but I watched with an open mind and I was not moved by his singing, but certainly think
Arnel is a classy guy when he acknowledged that Steve Perry was one of his major influences and he is honored to be compared in anyway.
Not his exact words, but still, Arnel has class and he's doing a great job under all the pressures that must be upon him. He does have
a fabulous voice. I like the new song he sang from their album and I felt he owned that song the way he sang it. No one can duplicate
what Steve Perry brought to Journey, but Arnel is doing the best job with coming as close as possible. It was cool to see the kids enjoying the band,
and I think the band does have some new magic to work with.
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Postby tammy » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:11 am

just heard the rest of the show...AWYWI & SW weren't as good as DSB, sounded more forced & yelling...and, Never Walk Away they cut off for the credits...lol (that's one song I don't care much for on Rev, there are better ones.)
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:14 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote:Well, I'm not a big fan of Arnel, but I watched with an open mind and I was not moved by his singing, but certainly think
Arnel is a classy guy when he acknowledged that Steve Perry was one of his major influences and he is honored to be compared in anyway.
Not his exact words, but still, Arnel has class and he's doing a great job under all the pressures that must be upon him. He does have
a fabulous voice. I like the new song he sang from their album and I felt he owned that song the way he sang it. No one can duplicate
what Steve Perry brought to Journey, but Arnel is doing the best job with coming as close as possible. It was cool to see the kids enjoying the band,
and I think the band does have some new magic to work with.



Actually, he said Steve Perry is his hero. Arnel is classy and he never degrades anyone. He's kept an amazing cool under fire.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:30 am

steveo777 wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:Well, I'm not a big fan of Arnel, but I watched with an open mind and I was not moved by his singing, but certainly think
Arnel is a classy guy when he acknowledged that Steve Perry was one of his major influences and he is honored to be compared in anyway.
Not his exact words, but still, Arnel has class and he's doing a great job under all the pressures that must be upon him. He does have
a fabulous voice. I like the new song he sang from their album and I felt he owned that song the way he sang it. No one can duplicate
what Steve Perry brought to Journey, but Arnel is doing the best job with coming as close as possible. It was cool to see the kids enjoying the band,
and I think the band does have some new magic to work with.



Actually, he said Steve Perry is his hero. Arnel is classy and he never degrades anyone. He's kept an amazing cool under fire.


Hero? Yikes, sounds like a loon!!! :wink: Agree w/^^^^^
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote: No one can duplicate what Steve Perry brought to Journey...


Not even Steve Perry could duplicate it today.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:43 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote: No one can duplicate what Steve Perry brought to Journey...


Not even Steve Perry could duplicate it today.


Not only that, but Steve Perry in his prime had young pipes. Arnel is what? 40 and has been singing his whole life practically? It will never, ever be a fair comparison and that's what people don't understand. Comparing the two singers is like comparing a young body builder, to that of a more aged one.. it can't happen. That's why it's more important to live in the now & to enjoy what we have here in front of us. It's worth it to when it will be all said and done.
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:59 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote: No one can duplicate what Steve Perry brought to Journey...


Not even Steve Perry could duplicate it today.


+1,000

Oregon Loon, you strike me as one of those people who complains how she doesn't pay 1981 milk or bread prices at the grocery store anymore. It's freaking 2009. He hasn't brought anything to Journey (or the music world, actually) in 13 years. Meanwhile, Neal Schon is still out there rocking the guitar for thousands of fans each year. 8)
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:04 am

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
He hasn't brought anything to Journey (or the music world, actually) in 13 years. Meanwhile, Neal Schon is still out there rocking the guitar for thousands of fans each year. 8)


That's only because Schon doesn't know when to pack it in and has 17 ex-wives to support :shock:
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Back in the day...

Postby ttango1 » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:04 am

Comparing the two singers is like comparing a young body builder, to that of a more aged one.. it can't happen. That's why it's more important to live in the now than the then to enjoy what we have here in front of us.


I'm just saying that the bodybuilder thing has happened. Read about Ageless Albert Beckles, he finished 2nd to the giant Lee Haney, when Beckles was 55 years old: http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/albertbeckles.html

It's not Arnel's best performance but it's much better than the Super Bowl Pre-Game. I think, no...make that know, that we as fans are REACTIONARY. We can't control the stupidity of writers who feed that line,"Sounds exactly like Steve Perry..." to the show host. We all know his sound is reminiscent but it ain't exactly like Steve Perry. I'm a Journey fan, and as long as those songs re-kindle those moments from before...I'm good with what they're doing and happy that they are still around...After All These Years.
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:06 am

Enigma869 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
He hasn't brought anything to Journey (or the music world, actually) in 13 years. Meanwhile, Neal Schon is still out there rocking the guitar for thousands of fans each year. 8)


That's only because Schon doesn't know when to pack it in and has 17 ex-wives to support :shock:


Debatable... :lol:
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