Journey/Early Show Date Changed - Now Thursday 9/3

[Ligzig]

I don't think MR or Journey would be here today if it wasn't for Steve Perry.

That being said, this is my opinion of it all: I think Steve Augeri was weak from the start, wrong choice all the way...but how can you blame them for choosing him? They waited long enough for Perry and wanted to get back on the road...they heard something similar, and took the chance. If they would have done more research I think they would have found something better. Personally, I don't think he was suited to Journey material at all. Not my cup of tea.

JSS: I would have been stuck with my classic Journey CDs, couldn't dig that shit at all. I think you have to be female to appreciate his style. I just don't get it.

Arnel: I am a fan again because of Arnel, I really feel like he does justice to the material and hits the spot. I know not everyone connects with it, but for me I think he is a great singer. Best fit for Journey since Perry. None of these live performances due him any justice.

After all that though...they are all missing something that made Perry so great. I don't know what it is...but when Steve sang on a song he always left something special, I find myself going back to certain points in a song just to hear that "magic" note. None of us would be here if it wasn't for Perry.

I guess if we were to compare this to the tree of life, Perry is the common ancestor...and we're all just branches of evolution.

[Eric]

Arrival sounded different, Revelation sounds like an 80s record. Not a bad thing, but I just like Arrival so much more for its relative freshness. Revelation has some stinkers for me (Sunshower, What It Takes To Win, AATY, The Journey - very disappointing, I was expecting a great Neal track, Faith Remake - AWFUL, Place Remake - AWFUL)...

I really like All The Way and don't mind the other three - I just skip them and listen to the other stuff that's great (the great stuff is better for me than the great stuff on Rev)

Maybe part of it's contextual for me. I was just really getting into Journey back then in 00-01 when I found out that SP wasn't in the band, but that they still played with a new guy. I downloaded Remember Me and was blown away, then I got Arrival for a birthday present and didn't stop playin that fucker. As soon as the first chorus of Higher Place hit I was hooked and Signs of Life musta been played 200 times that first week I had the CD. In a way, Arrival began my modern Journey experience, maybe that's why I love it so much.

Higher Place is my all-time fave Journey tune....PERIOD...so no disagreements there. I heard it the first mid-summer 2000 off of Monker's website I believe. It isn't fair for Arrival's rating to be dragged down by too many ballads..I know.

I think Revelation sounds very fresh....Change for the Better, Wildest Dreams, Turn down the World Tonight, The Journey - all different sounding yet still Journey.

Anyhoo...my PostPerry Greatest Hits:

Arrival Intro
Remember Me
Higher Place
Signs of Life
Livin' To Do
I Got a Reason
I Can Breathe
Faith in the Heartland
The Place in Your Heart
Out of Harms Way
Beyond the Clouds
Never too Late
Like a Sunshower
Change for the Better
Wildest Dreams

[Ligzig]

Change for the Better

Would have been so much better without the synths.

[Ehwmatt]

Arrival sounded different, Revelation sounds like an 80s record. Not a bad thing, but I just like Arrival so much more for its relative freshness. Revelation has some stinkers for me (Sunshower, What It Takes To Win, AATY, The Journey - very disappointing, I was expecting a great Neal track, Faith Remake - AWFUL, Place Remake - AWFUL)...

I really like All The Way and don't mind the other three - I just skip them and listen to the other stuff that's great (the great stuff is better for me than the great stuff on Rev)

Maybe part of it's contextual for me. I was just really getting into Journey back then in 00-01 when I found out that SP wasn't in the band, but that they still played with a new guy. I downloaded Remember Me and was blown away, then I got Arrival for a birthday present and didn't stop playin that fucker. As soon as the first chorus of Higher Place hit I was hooked and Signs of Life musta been played 200 times that first week I had the CD. In a way, Arrival began my modern Journey experience, maybe that's why I love it so much.

Higher Place is my all-time fave Journey tune....PERIOD...so no disagreements there. I heard it the first mid-summer 2000 off of Monker's website I believe. It isn't fair for Arrival's rating to be dragged down by too many ballads..I know.

I think Revelation sounds very fresh....Change for the Better, Wildest Dreams, Turn down the World Tonight, The Journey - all different sounding yet still Journey.

Anyhoo...my PostPerry Greatest Hits:

Arrival Intro
Remember Me
Higher Place
Signs of Life
Livin' To Do
I Got a Reason
I Can Breathe
Faith in the Heartland
The Place in Your Heart
Out of Harms Way
Beyond the Clouds
Never too Late
Like a Sunshower
Change for the Better
Wildest Dreams

Can someone explain why Deen sings shit like Keep On Runnin when they have never, to my knowledge, thrown this on an unsuspecting audience? It's a GREAT tune and it would kill live.

[Michigan Girl]

I think the main point is that every group has an opinion and a preference!!!

Beautifully summarized.

(Lions 3-1)

That's the nicest thing you've said to me in some time....
I forgive you!!!

[Ehwmatt]

I'll meet you two knob gobblers halfway and say that Arrival is better musically and Revelation is better vocally. And that's not to say that Arrival is weak vocally or that Revelation is weak musically. There simply has to be a winner between the two.

Ok cum gargler

[portland]

I'll meet you two knob gobblers halfway and say that Arrival is better musically and Revelation is better vocally. And that's not to say that Arrival is weak vocally or that Revelation is weak musically. There simply has to be a winner between the two.

Arrival hands down is better IMO

[SultanOfSwing]

I don't think MR or Journey would be here today if it wasn't for Steve Perry.

That being said, this is my opinion of it all: I think Steve Augeri was weak from the start, wrong choice all the way...but how can you blame them for choosing him? They waited long enough for Perry and wanted to get back on the road...they heard something similar, and took the chance. If they would have done more research I think they would have found something better. Personally, I don't think he was suited to Journey material at all. Not my cup of tea.

JSS: I would have been stuck with my classic Journey CDs, couldn't dig that shit at all. I think you have to be female to appreciate his style. I just don't get it.

Arnel: I am a fan again because of Arnel, I really feel like he does justice to the material and hits the spot. I know not everyone connects with it, but for me I think he is a great singer. Best fit for Journey since Perry. None of these live performances due him any justice.

After all that though...they are all missing something that made Perry so great. I don't know what it is...but when Steve sang on a song he always left something special, I find myself going back to certain points in a song just to hear that "magic" note. None of us would be here if it wasn't for Perry.

I guess if we were to compare this to the tree of life, Perry is the common ancestor...and we're all just branches of evolution.

Better run for cover. Very well said, and BTW welcome to MR.

[Ligzig]

I don't think MR or Journey would be here today if it wasn't for Steve Perry.

That being said, this is my opinion of it all: I think Steve Augeri was weak from the start, wrong choice all the way...but how can you blame them for choosing him? They waited long enough for Perry and wanted to get back on the road...they heard something similar, and took the chance. If they would have done more research I think they would have found something better. Personally, I don't think he was suited to Journey material at all. Not my cup of tea.

JSS: I would have been stuck with my classic Journey CDs, couldn't dig that shit at all. I think you have to be female to appreciate his style. I just don't get it.

Arnel: I am a fan again because of Arnel, I really feel like he does justice to the material and hits the spot. I know not everyone connects with it, but for me I think he is a great singer. Best fit for Journey since Perry. None of these live performances due him any justice.

After all that though...they are all missing something that made Perry so great. I don't know what it is...but when Steve sang on a song he always left something special, I find myself going back to certain points in a song just to hear that "magic" note. None of us would be here if it wasn't for Perry.

I guess if we were to compare this to the tree of life, Perry is the common ancestor...and we're all just branches of evolution.

Better run for cover. Very well said, and BTW welcome to MR.

No disrespect to Soto...everyone has their niche...I just don't think his was with Journey.

Thanks

[RoyalOakRoadie]

I don't think MR or Journey would be here today if it wasn't for Steve Perry.

That being said, this is my opinion of it all: I think Steve Augeri was weak from the start, wrong choice all the way...but how can you blame them for choosing him? They waited long enough for Perry and wanted to get back on the road...they heard something similar, and took the chance. If they would have done more research I think they would have found something better. Personally, I don't think he was suited to Journey material at all. Not my cup of tea.

JSS: I would have been stuck with my classic Journey CDs, couldn't dig that shit at all. I think you have to be female to appreciate his style. I just don't get it.

Arnel: I am a fan again because of Arnel, I really feel like he does justice to the material and hits the spot. I know not everyone connects with it, but for me I think he is a great singer. Best fit for Journey since Perry. None of these live performances due him any justice.

After all that though...they are all missing something that made Perry so great. I don't know what it is...but when Steve sang on a song he always left something special, I find myself going back to certain points in a song just to hear that "magic" note. None of us would be here if it wasn't for Perry.

I guess if we were to compare this to the tree of life, Perry is the common ancestor...and we're all just branches of evolution.

Better run for cover. Very well said, and BTW welcome to MR.

No disrespect to Soto...everyone has their niche...I just don't think his was with Journey.

Thanks

Check out the W.E.T. samples if you haven't already...

I think Journey could have done with JSS what Van Halen did with Hagar. Reinvent themselves. Still do the classic tunes live, but change up your style to suit the lead singer.
Sure, there are tons of people that hated "Van Hagar", but you can NOT deny their success.

Journey had a choice, either forge a new path, or stay on safe ground. They decided to stay on safe ground. Although, it seems to be working.

Again, I like Arnel, I like his voice on the recordings, but on the live clips I have seen his voice kinda bugs me. Personal preference.

[Esc]

lets slide back to the topic please.

those kids (prolly 6- 8 years old) on the show watching journey play.
man, they know the words of the songs.
i dont know if it means anything, but it looked amazing.

[Ligzig]

I don't think MR or Journey would be here today if it wasn't for Steve Perry.

That being said, this is my opinion of it all: I think Steve Augeri was weak from the start, wrong choice all the way...but how can you blame them for choosing him? They waited long enough for Perry and wanted to get back on the road...they heard something similar, and took the chance. If they would have done more research I think they would have found something better. Personally, I don't think he was suited to Journey material at all. Not my cup of tea.

JSS: I would have been stuck with my classic Journey CDs, couldn't dig that shit at all. I think you have to be female to appreciate his style. I just don't get it.

Arnel: I am a fan again because of Arnel, I really feel like he does justice to the material and hits the spot. I know not everyone connects with it, but for me I think he is a great singer. Best fit for Journey since Perry. None of these live performances due him any justice.

After all that though...they are all missing something that made Perry so great. I don't know what it is...but when Steve sang on a song he always left something special, I find myself going back to certain points in a song just to hear that "magic" note. None of us would be here if it wasn't for Perry.

I guess if we were to compare this to the tree of life, Perry is the common ancestor...and we're all just branches of evolution.

Better run for cover. Very well said, and BTW welcome to MR.

No disrespect to Soto...everyone has their niche...I just don't think his was with Journey.

Thanks

Check out the W.E.T. samples if you haven't already...

I think Journey could have done with JSS what Van Halen did with Hagar. Reinvent themselves. Still do the classic tunes live, but change up your style to suit the lead singer.
Sure, there are tons of people that hated "Van Hagar", but you can NOT deny their success.

Journey had a choice, either forge a new path, or stay on safe ground. They decided to stay on safe ground. Although, it seems to be working.

Again, I like Arnel, I like his voice on the recordings, but on the live clips I have seen his voice kinda bugs me. Personal preference.

They have a voice that can really take them in any direction...whether or not they embrace it or force Arnel to use Perrys style is up to them. The 2nd album with him will be the true test. I find it hard to believe they would have had success with a Van halen style switch up. It's too late in their careers. They have too much history.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

christ....ross looks horrid on that close up. wow...

Ross Valory. Doesn't look a day over 87.

[SultanOfSwing]

Again, I like Arnel, I like his voice on the recordings, but on the live clips I have seen his voice kinda bugs me. Personal preference.

You can't compare live video clips from a real live concert. Arnel sounds 1000x better when you listen to him live.

[journeyrock]

Those aren't the only groups: super critical of whichever new guy is there, endorses whatever Journey does, or apathetic without Perry. There's quite a few more subgroups in there.

For all on here, there will never be another Perry, but some don't just follow the band through every lead singer, with no backbone. Some have disagreed strongly with decisions and stated so with backbone, but eventually still loved the band and enjoyed each singer with them and so came back into the fold b/c of their love of live Journey music and like the singer or love Neal. Many on here may love Perry, but followed the band and loved Augeri and lost the love after he left.

There's quite a few on here who loved Perry but were fully onboard with Jeff Scott Soto and would have been following the band strongly, such as Deb. There's like me who really love the band again b/c of Arnel being hired and loving the energy of the band these days and his voice and the power of his voice live. I support SA, but never felt the magic with him re many classic songs, but did love Arrival. So it's not just three groups like you've broken down. I would not have followed Journey anymore had JSS been the lead singer b/c he was wrong for the band for me and many don't follow b/c of Arnel but would still be here if SA was the singer. And some just gave up with all the changeovers and decisions but HAD supported the band after Perry for a while.

Thank you...well said. I demanded new material if I were to continue being a fan back 2 years ago...they delivered. I demand continually releasing new music, staying an active band...they are delivering.

With JSS - I listened to about a dozen boots before deciding to attend a show (despite not agreeing with opening for the Lips), he won me over with his nuances and energy

With Augeri...well, yeah...I think I just wanted Journey back. But he was a graceful frontman you have to admit.

Very well said, Eric. I felt the same way about JSS, and finally decided to go to a show. I was pleasantly surprised. He was a very good showman. I enjoyed the show for the most part. I gave up on following their concerts after JSS. It really is all about Perry for me too and after two replacements, enough is enough.

[Enigma869]

Ross Valory. Doesn't look a day over 87.

Valory looks like he's on a weekend pass from the cemetary!

[Michigan Girl]

Again, I like Arnel, I like his voice on the recordings, but on the live clips I have seen his voice kinda bugs me. Personal preference.

You can't compare live video clips from a real live concert. Arnel sounds 1000x better when you listen to him live.

Well that's a stretch...but I'm in total agreement, otherwise!!!

[X factor]

Ross Valory. Doesn't look a day over 87.

Valory looks like he's on a weekend pass from the cemetary!

And wtf was he wearing??? Hey Ross- 1983 called and they want their duds back!

[ttango1]

I'll meet you two knob gobblers halfway and say that Arrival is better musically and Revelation is better vocally. And that's not to say that Arrival is weak vocally or that Revelation is weak musically. There simply has to be a winner between the two.

Fence sitter
I agree.

[la michelona]

Long time reader, infrequent poster here..

Is it just me, or has Arnel lost all of his "dialectic coaching" and letting his accent slip back in BAD?
Example..."..a smeh of wine and sheep perfoom"

Yes, Its just you.

He says "smell", but I do hear "sheep". But you have to be actively listening for mistakes, otherwise it sounds fine. There's just a soured clump of people that want him to fail, and that's fucked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MC9TZ8ydeE They start the song at about 2:10.

My opinion is even with all the confidence he displays this year, AP might still get a slight case of nerves that effect his diction. I noticed when he messed up on the timing of SW in the early European tours he pronounced confusion correctly. I think he was been working hard on getting his pronunciation right. All in all, his diction has improved dramatically, as evidenced in the regular live shows which have been fantastic.

Actually, that's a very common phenomenon that occurs with language acquisition. Theoretically, within the LAD (language acquisition device), the affective filter is impacted by stress. The higher the stress level, the higher that filter goes up and impedes reception as well as production. So, when stress is added to the mix, even phonemes that a subject has the ability to produce "correctly" (relative term) in a stress-free environment tend to become less coherent. Also, once a subject becomes too self-conscious of his pronounciation issues, there can be a tendency to over-correct. It isn't bad or good, it's just what happens.

That being said, I still get a laugh over this whole question of diction. It's Rock and Roll, for Pete's sake. Isn't that what our parents used to complain about - that they couldn't understand anything that was being sung because those long-haired hippies wouldn't enunciate clearly?

[Don]

I'll meet you two knob gobblers halfway and say that Arrival is better musically and Revelation is better vocally. And that's not to say that Arrival is weak vocally or that Revelation is weak musically. There simply has to be a winner between the two.

Ok cum gargler

I think the reason Arrival comes off as a better album is two fold.
Augeri was actually a member of the band during the writing process and could give input about how the songs could be created around his vocals.
Revelation was mostly written as a "One size fits all" piece of work. Who ever the singer was going to be, try it on and just make the best of it.

Arrival used quite a few different writers, giving it a unique flavor as more hands were stirring the pot.
Revelation became a two man show and and the lack of originality shows in some of tunes. It feels like you've been there before because you probably have (NWA).

The next album should be totally different, provided Arnel knows how put together melodies and can become a new, integral part of creating the songs.

[annie89509]

Sorry ... the new poster, Litzig, has the Neal avatar. Reminds me too much of NIGgy. Where is that guy?