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Rockindeano wrote:Rick wrote:Maui Tom wrote:Arizona played and almost WON the SB last year...all of us collectively really know ZILCH.....
Arizona is supposed to be better this year than last. We'll have to keep an eye peeled on them for sure.
AZ might not win their division. Hasselback is back. Holmgren is gone, TJ Houshmewhateverthefuckhisnameis is in SEA. Remember, AZ was only 9-7 last year. I look for a flat year from them.
Saint John wrote: In all 3 wins they rushed for 100+ yards. In their lone loss (with Brady) they did not run for 100 yards.
Saint John wrote:I'm commenting on the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers and not the "past 10 years."
Saint John wrote: Based on the fact that they won the fucking Super Bowl last year and they're better this year. That's what!
Saint John wrote:This is as dumb a comment as this thread has. I haven't seen the Raiders "play a single game" and I know they're gonna suck. Are you honestly saying that you don't "think" certain teams are going to be better than other ones until you watch a few games?
Rick wrote:Arizona is supposed to be better this year than last. We'll have to keep an eye peeled on them for sure.
YoungJRNY wrote:(I still say Arizona's the hardest stadium to play in the NFL.)
That and fifty cents will buy you a newspaper (if there are any still left in business). Who gives a fuck what they won last year! It couldn't be less relevant. They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get to the Super Bowl, and they faced the woeful Cardinals when they got there. The decade is almost over and only one team has won back to back Super Bowls in this decade, and it wasn't the Steelers, so the odds say that they won't win it this season!
Enigma869 wrote:Sorry dude, but I don't go by statistics, because running statistics are ridiculous. Most teams who are ahead in a game run the ball to kill the clock. The Patriots won their first super bowl because they had a superior defense (and it's the only one of their championship teams I can say that about). While they did indeed rush for over 100 yards in their first championship game against St. Louis, there wasn't a back on their team with over 100 yards, and the whopping 133 yards they ran for was split between 6 players. In their second Super Bowl, Brady threw for over 350 yards and the immortal Antwoin Smith rushed for about 80 yards! In their final Super Bowl victory, Corey Dillon ran for less than 80 yards, so as I said, they didn't win by running the football. If you examine NFL statistics over 30 years, you will see that most teams who win have guys rush for over 100 yards, but it's usually because the team has a lead and they simply keep handing the ball off, not because they necessarily have a juggernaut running team! Hell, if you hand the ball off 30 times a game, you're pretty much guaranteed to get over 100 yards!
Enigma869 wrote:Dude...connect your fucking brain cells.
Rockindeano wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:(I still say Arizona's the hardest stadium to play in the NFL.)
You make a lot of good well thought out comments dude, but this one has me scratching my head so much I think I now need stitches. AZ is never sold out, and when Dallas comes in there, there's more blue than red!
YoungJRNY wrote:That and fifty cents will buy you a newspaper (if there are any still left in business). Who gives a fuck what they won last year! It couldn't be less relevant. They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get to the Super Bowl, and they faced the woeful Cardinals when they got there. The decade is almost over and only one team has won back to back Super Bowls in this decade, and it wasn't the Steelers, so the odds say that they won't win it this season!
Dude this is a fucking stupid explanation. What makes you think that everyone has to go through the Patriots to be a worthy Super Bowl Champion? Last time I checked, New England failed to make the playoffs last season, and even lost the Super Bowl to the Giants the year before, so they hold 0 water when saying something as retarded as 'they didn't get past New England!" What a dumbass. Point of the matter is, the Giants were the Super Bowl champions last year, the year before that it was Indianapolis, and the year before that was Pittsburgh. New England shouldn't even be in the picture of the conversation when talking about getting through teams. If anything, since the Steelers didn't face the champion Giants to get their crown, then maybe they don't deserve it. Sorry dude, the NFL or any sport don't work that way.
The Steelers manhandled New England last year in the regular season, so they did take care of New England when they had a chance to do so. According to your logic, just because the Steelers didn't play the Lions last year, or the Bears, and since they weren't 'forced to play those teams' they shouldn't be taken so seriously as Champions? What if the Steelers, or Colts, or Bronco's win the Superbowl in 2015 and got there by not playing New England.. would your blabble still hold that they aren't worthy because they weren't forced to play them? You need to find other ways to manipulate because that argument just makes you look bad.
Rockindeano wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:(I still say Arizona's the hardest stadium to play in the NFL.)
You make a lot of good well thought out comments dude, but this one has me scratching my head so much I think I now need stitches. AZ is never sold out, and when Dallas comes in there, there's more blue than red!
Ehwmatt wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:That and fifty cents will buy you a newspaper (if there are any still left in business). Who gives a fuck what they won last year! It couldn't be less relevant. They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get to the Super Bowl, and they faced the woeful Cardinals when they got there. The decade is almost over and only one team has won back to back Super Bowls in this decade, and it wasn't the Steelers, so the odds say that they won't win it this season!
Dude this is a fucking stupid explanation. What makes you think that everyone has to go through the Patriots to be a worthy Super Bowl Champion? Last time I checked, New England failed to make the playoffs last season, and even lost the Super Bowl to the Giants the year before, so they hold 0 water when saying something as retarded as 'they didn't get past New England!" What a dumbass. Point of the matter is, the Giants were the Super Bowl champions last year, the year before that it was Indianapolis, and the year before that was Pittsburgh. New England shouldn't even be in the picture of the conversation when talking about getting through teams. If anything, since the Steelers didn't face the champion Giants to get their crown, then maybe they don't deserve it. Sorry dude, the NFL or any sport don't work that way.
The Steelers manhandled New England last year in the regular season, so they did take care of New England when they had a chance to do so. According to your logic, just because the Steelers didn't play the Lions last year, or the Bears, and since they weren't 'forced to play those teams' they shouldn't be taken so seriously as Champions? What if the Steelers, or Colts, or Bronco's win the Superbowl in 2015 and got there by not playing New England.. would your blabble still hold that they aren't worthy because they weren't forced to play them? You need to find other ways to manipulate because that argument just makes you look bad.
I agree, I fucking hate this argument made in sports in any fashion and unfortunately it's all too common. It's usually advanced by bitter fanboys too blind to admit the fundamental truth that champions play all comers, whoever they may be. Part of a championship run is staying healthy, Brady did not do that last year, thus Pats did not make the playoffs. Doesn't take away the legitimacy of the Steelers' win.
I also hate the other year-by-year argument alluded to in the original post, the dreaded "Well, the TV commentators don't have anything meaningful to say right now, so we'll point out some statistical 'trend' that couldn't possibly factor into any substantive prediction regarding an eventual outcome." Pointing out that no team has ever come from a 3-0 hole in a best of 7 playoff in 30 years is relevant, but pointing out that there is no history of a twopeat in the recent past does not preclude or even give a strong probability against twopeating.
I agree, I fucking hate this argument made in sports in any fashion and unfortunately it's all too common. It's usually advanced by bitter fanboys too blind to admit the fundamental truth that champions play all comers, whoever they may be. Part of a championship run is staying healthy, Brady did not do that last year, thus Pats did not make the playoffs. Doesn't take away the legitimacy of the Steelers' win.
I also hate the other year-by-year argument alluded to in the original post, the dreaded "Well, the TV commentators don't have anything meaningful to say right now, so we'll point out some statistical 'trend' that couldn't possibly factor into any substantive prediction regarding an eventual outcome." Pointing out that no team has ever come from a 3-0 hole in a best of 7 playoff in 30 years is relevant, but pointing out that there is no history of a twopeat in the recent past does not preclude or even give a strong probability against twopeating.
YoungJRNY wrote:
Dude this is a fucking stupid explanation. What makes you think that everyone has to go through the Patriots to be a worthy Super Bowl Champion? Last time I checked, New England failed to make the playoffs last season, and even lost the Super Bowl to the Giants the year before, so they hold 0 water when saying something as retarded as 'they didn't get past New England!" What a dumbass. Point of the matter is, the Giants were the Super Bowl champions last year, the year before that it was Indianapolis, and the year before that was Pittsburgh. New England shouldn't even be in the picture of the conversation when talking about getting through teams. If anything, since the Steelers didn't face the champion Giants to get their crown, then maybe they don't deserve it. Sorry dude, the NFL or any sport don't work that way.
The Steelers manhandled New England last year in the regular season, so they did take care of New England when they had a chance to do so. According to your logic, just because the Steelers didn't play the Lions last year, or the Bears, and since they weren't 'forced to play those teams' they shouldn't be taken so seriously as Champions? What if the Steelers, or Colts, or Bronco's win the Superbowl in 2015 and got there by not playing New England.. would your blabble still hold that they aren't worthy because they weren't forced to play them? You need to find other ways to manipulate because that argument just makes you look bad.
Saint John wrote:Then what the fuck do you call the italicized and bolded parts?!?!![]()
Enigma869 wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:
Dude this is a fucking stupid explanation. What makes you think that everyone has to go through the Patriots to be a worthy Super Bowl Champion? Last time I checked, New England failed to make the playoffs last season, and even lost the Super Bowl to the Giants the year before, so they hold 0 water when saying something as retarded as 'they didn't get past New England!" What a dumbass. Point of the matter is, the Giants were the Super Bowl champions last year, the year before that it was Indianapolis, and the year before that was Pittsburgh. New England shouldn't even be in the picture of the conversation when talking about getting through teams. If anything, since the Steelers didn't face the champion Giants to get their crown, then maybe they don't deserve it. Sorry dude, the NFL or any sport don't work that way.
The Steelers manhandled New England last year in the regular season, so they did take care of New England when they had a chance to do so. According to your logic, just because the Steelers didn't play the Lions last year, or the Bears, and since they weren't 'forced to play those teams' they shouldn't be taken so seriously as Champions? What if the Steelers, or Colts, or Bronco's win the Superbowl in 2015 and got there by not playing New England.. would your blabble still hold that they aren't worthy because they weren't forced to play them? You need to find other ways to manipulate because that argument just makes you look bad.
Listen Dildo Boy...I never said that the Steelers "had" to go through the Patriots. My larger point was that in spite of the Patriots losing in the Super Bowl to the Giants the last time Brady was healthy, they still had a team that was 16-0. Also, in spite of your statement "New England failed to make the playoffs last season", it doesn't change the fact that they won 11 games with Matt fucking Cassel! That tells me that they're a team who will be in the mix. It also tells me that Pittsburgh may or may not have gotten to the Super Bowl last season. I don't predict who is going to win the Super Bowl before the season starts. The truth is that if the Patriots don't find some guys who can play defense this season, they may not win 10 games! I will predict that Brady isn't done yet and will win at least one more Super Bowl in the next three seasons!
What exactly does "They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get the Super Bowl" even mean then? It certainly wasn't 'because they still had a team that went 16-0." You were just stating your diarrhea out the mouth that the Steelers got lucky because they didn't have to face New England, PERIOD. Besides, going 16-0 proves JACK SHIT in the NFL during the regular season. Going 11-5 and not being able to hold off Miami proves there's something wrong in New England, Bradyless or not. The Browns went 10-6 in 2007 and missed the playoffs by one game. The next year they completely folded on themselves with the same team. Going 11-5 the previous season proves nothing to how a team will do that next year according to your logic some, couple posts ago.Who gives a fuck what they won last year! It couldn't be less relevant. They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get to the Super Bowl, and they faced the woeful Cardinals when they got there.
That tells me that they're a team who will be in the mix. It also tells me that Pittsburgh may or may not have gotten to the Super Bowl last season. I don't predict who is going to win the Super Bowl before the season starts. The truth is that if the Patriots don't find some guys who can play defense this season, they may not win 10 games! I will predict that Brady isn't done yet and will win at least one more Super Bowl in the next three seasons!
Enigma869 wrote:Saint John wrote:Then what the fuck do you call the italicized and bolded parts?!?!![]()
Sorry dude...it wasn't a contradiction. I did indeed said that I don't go by statistics and made my argument by stating if you examine the statistics, they really don't tell the whole story. Most teams in the NFL who win games appear to have a running game. In 2007, the Patriots were just out of the top 10 in the league in rushing yards, and Brady threw for 50 flippin' touchdowns, so I'm quite sure they weren't much of a running team, in spite of what the stats say! Last year, the Patriots ranked 6th in the NFL in rushing, and I don't think anyone who watches football outside of New England has any idea who any of their running backs are! Just for perspective, the Vikings (With Adrian Peterson) ranked just ahead of the Patriots in 5th place (they had about 3 more yards per game than the Patriots had on the ground)for most rushing yards per game and San Diego and Tomlinson were ranked a putrid 20th! Rushing yards per game are almost always a product of winning teams, and not outstanding running backs. There are obviously some exceptions, but teams who win are in control and they control the game by running the ball! You don't need a stud running back to run the ball. It's all about the game situation and the team around you. It's not just a coincidence that the top teams in the NFL usually average in the top third of the league in rushing statistics. I have never believed that they win because they run the football (in some cases that is obviously true). I have watched enough football to understand that it's because teams are winning that they're running the ball and the Patriots' running statistics over the past several years proves that point better than anything! Fuck all this debate...Just bring on the NFL season so I can watch Pittsburgh and their annoying shit paper waving fans get their hearts crushed. Hopefully, I can end the season by wiping my ass with an ass-ugly yellow puke towel
Just bring on the NFL season so I can watch Pittsburgh and their annoying shit paper waving fans get their hearts crushed. Hopefully, I can end the season by wiping my ass with an ass-ugly yellow puke towel
YoungJRNY wrote: If you keep this contradiction up at this rate, then you won't be worthy to be in such a thread.
YoungJRNY wrote: This is EXACTLY what you said and I quote..What exactly does "They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get the Super Bowl" even mean then?Who gives a fuck what they won last year! It couldn't be less relevant. They weren't forced to play the Patriots to get to the Super Bowl, and they faced the woeful Cardinals when they got there.
YoungJRNY wrote: Besides, going 16-0 proves JACK SHIT in the NFL during the regular season.
YoungJRNY wrote:
My opinion, Brady isn't getting any younger, and with a MAJOR injury that took him out the WHOLE 2008 season, and since New England's window of opportunity is closing since teams in the AFC EAST are somewhat learning how to play football, it would be absurd to make such a prediction based on your own logic there, pal.
YoungJRNY wrote:Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:
Listen Dildo Boy
Ok...this made me laugh.
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Saint John wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:
Listen Dildo Boy
Ok...this made me laugh.
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lol...I've never seen a picture of JFB nor heard a description, but I always have this mental picture of a 6'4 260 pound guy behind the keyboard slamming Red Bull with a ruby red face as he pounds the keys while using an ! at the end of virtually every sentence. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but the fucker is a card.
and losing to the Giants on some crazy fluke catch to a shitty receiver
Enigma869 wrote:and losing to the Giants on some crazy fluke catch to a shitty receiver doesn't mean that their team was any less of a team.
Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:and losing to the Giants on some crazy fluke catch to a shitty receiver doesn't mean that their team was any less of a team.
It just means they didn't have a video of that play.![]()
YoungJRNY wrote:I've been around here longer than you've been here and have socks older than you!
HAHA, you are the "Brett Favre" of MR.![]()
Good thread, ladies and gentleman.. good thread.
Saint John wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:
Listen Dildo Boy
Ok...this made me laugh.
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lol...I've never seen a picture of JFB nor heard a description, but I always have this mental picture of a 6'4 260 pound guy behind the keyboard slamming Red Bull with a ruby red face as he pounds the keys while using an ! at the end of virtually every sentence. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but the fucker is a card.
Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:
Listen Dildo Boy
Ok...this made me laugh.
So did the rest of his post.![]()
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lol...I've never seen a picture of JFB nor heard a description, but I always have this mental picture of a 6'4 260 pound guy behind the keyboard slamming Red Bull with a ruby red face as he pounds the keys while using an ! at the end of virtually every sentence. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but the fucker is a card.
I think I saw him on Facebook. He looks 6'+ and appears to be built like a linebacker (maybe 250 lbs?). If it was him, he looks just like I thought he would.
Ehwmatt wrote:Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:Saint John wrote:Enigma869 wrote:
Listen Dildo Boy
Ok...this made me laugh.
So did the rest of his post.![]()
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lol...I've never seen a picture of JFB nor heard a description, but I always have this mental picture of a 6'4 260 pound guy behind the keyboard slamming Red Bull with a ruby red face as he pounds the keys while using an ! at the end of virtually every sentence. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but the fucker is a card.
I think I saw him on Facebook. He looks 6'+ and appears to be built like a linebacker (maybe 250 lbs?). If it was him, he looks just like I thought he would.
Pretty sure he's a big dude, I think I've seen him describe himself on here 6'3 220+ or something.
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