OT: New Winger

by **ProgRocker53** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:51 am

Who else is pumped?!??

by **strangegrey** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:59 am

New material from Reb Beach? Fuck yea!

by **ProgRocker53** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:00 am

strangegrey wrote:New material from Reb Beach? Fuck yea!

Haha three sound samples are up on the front page.

Of course it does nothing but make me want more.

by **Rip Rokken** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:31 am

Oh, HELL YEAH!!!!!

by **JrnyScarab** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:49 am

Deano should be along shortly to rip you guys a new one over this!

by **strangegrey** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:03 am

Deal with the devil sounds fantastic!

by **strangegrey** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:06 am

Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

by **Rip Rokken** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:46 am

strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Kip will never leave ya hangin!

BTW, recently watched the Making of Pull / Winger IV DVD, and it was pretty interesting. Some funny stuff in there.

by **JrnyScarab** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:53 am

strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

by **G.I.Jim** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:56 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Kip will never leave ya hangin!

BTW, recently watched the Making of Pull / Winger IV DVD, and it was pretty interesting. Some funny stuff in there.

That's Deano's favorite picture! He PM'd me one time to see if I had a poster of it I could sell him. :shock:

I told him I only had a Journey and a Kiss poster, but "good luck with the hunt buddy!". :shock:

I'm sure Deano will be the first person in line waiting for this album to come out too.

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:01 am

JrnyScarab wrote:Deano should be along shortly to rip you guys a new one over this!

Complete garbage topped with liquid shit.

Goddamn what in the Hell is wrong with you fuckers? Winger? Krokus? When does Giant get their run? And you idiots rip on the Boss. Jesus Christ. :roll:

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:02 am

JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

by **JrnyScarab** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:09 am

Rockindeano wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

I'm surprised you like them Deano. They aren't very mainstream sounding! Props to you. Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

by **Rick** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:47 am

JrnyScarab wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

I'm surprised you like them Deano. They aren't very mainstream sounding! Props to you. Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

He likes Journey and Barry Manilow, I know that for sure. :lol:

by **Saint John** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:49 am

JrnyScarab wrote:Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

Including you! :lol:

by **Saint John** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:51 am

Rick wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

I'm surprised you like them Deano. They aren't very mainstream sounding! Props to you. Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

He likes Journey and Barry Manilow, I know that for sure.

Journey, Survivor, Motley Crue, Foreigner, old Bon Jovi, old Metallica, and Prince and MJ just to name a few.

by **JrnyScarab** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:36 am

Saint John wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

Including you!

Cmon dude. Everytime I see someone post about a band, you seem to hate them. Don't lie now! :lol:

by **Deb** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:46 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Kip will never leave ya hangin!

BTW, recently watched the Making of Pull / Winger IV DVD, and it was pretty interesting. Some funny stuff in there.

Rip, it cracks me up every time you post that. :lol:

by **ProgRocker53** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:11 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

I'm surprised you like them Deano. They aren't very mainstream sounding! Props to you. Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

Haha yeah Deano giving PT props was WAY out of left field.

by **Saint John** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:52 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:
Saint John wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

Including you!

Cmon dude. Everytime I see someone post about a band, you seem to hate them. Don't lie now!

lol...And I forgot to mention that I really like The Scorpions.

by **JohnH** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:40 pm

These clips sound really really good. Finally. IV was ok and i liked a few songs but I really don't play it at all anymore. It was just more Kip wierdness. This kind of stuff is really what I want to listen to. This fucking rocks!

John

by **slucero** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:33 pm

Are they re-doing "17"?

"...she's only 53..."

by **strangegrey** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:39 pm

This is a band that has been mis-labeled since the 80s. I'm sure half the people who dump on this band have never heard IV and Pull....especially Pull, which is arguably one of the greatest unknown hard rock albums ever produced.

Also, A little known fact about their second album, In The Heart Of The Young, is that "Cant't Get Enough" and "Easy Come Easy Go" were added towards the end of the album's production, because Atlantic gave Winger the 'we don't hear a single' cry....If you remove those two songs when you listen to the album, it's got a much different character. The songs are far more cohesively put together.

Regardless, this band takes ALOT of shit because of a very poorly placed label by Mike Judge far more deserved of a band like Poison or Warrant. Did the band have some cheesy songs? sure, you can possibly say that about 17....but I guarantee you that CC Deville of Poison, Joey Allen of Warrant or any other late 80s hair band guitarist couldn't *play* 17 if their life depended on it....

by **Deb** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:50 pm

slucero wrote:Are they re-doing "17"?

"...she's only 53..."

You're not far off, Kip did change the lyrics to "35" at the Mohegan show last October. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIDioc03HA

by **Deb** » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Saint John wrote:
Rick wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Man, October is shaping up to be a great month. New Winger and New Transatlantic!

Also, the new Porcupine Tree which I know progger loves as well!

Now those fuckers can flat out play.

I'm surprised you like them Deano. They aren't very mainstream sounding! Props to you. Unlike St. John who seems to hate everything!

He likes Journey and Barry Manilow, I know that for sure.

Journey, Survivor, Motley Crue, Foreigner, old Bon Jovi, old Metallica, new Mr Big and Prince and MJ just to name a few.

by **Rip Rokken** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:44 am

Deb wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:Kip will never leave ya hangin!

Rip, it cracks me up every time you post that.

I keep that pic around just for you, Deb!

by **Rip Rokken** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:47 am

strangegrey wrote:This is a band that has been mis-labeled since the 80s. I'm sure half the people who dump on this band have never heard IV and Pull....especially Pull, which is arguably one of the greatest unknown hard rock albums ever produced.

Also, A little known fact about their second album, In The Heart Of The Young, is that "Cant't Get Enough" and "Easy Come Easy Go" were added towards the end of the album's production, because Atlantic gave Winger the 'we don't hear a single' cry....If you remove those two songs when you listen to the album, it's got a much different character. The songs are far more cohesively put together.

Regardless, this band takes ALOT of shit because of a very poorly placed label by Mike Judge far more deserved of a band like Poison or Warrant. Did the band have some cheesy songs? sure, you can possibly say that about 17....but I guarantee you that CC Deville of Poison, Joey Allen of Warrant or any other late 80s hair band guitarist couldn't *play* 17 if their life depended on it....

I agree on every level. These guys are top notch musicians and songwriters, and were victims of image abuse by their labels just like Europe. Now that these bands have total creative control, it's pretty clear what they are made of.

"Pull" is one of my top 5 rock albums of all time. Not a weak song on it. Loved the "Making Of" DVD where Kip is recording the acoustic guitar for "Spell I'm Under" and he starts goofing off with it.

Quick note: Warrant actually had much better material in them too, as their post-"Cherry Pie" albums showed. But Poison? With them, what you see is what you get. Bret Michaels is 100% cheese. TUFF is a good example of what Poison would be if you added talent and decent songwriting ability.

by **MCC620** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:52 am

Rip Rokken wrote:
strangegrey wrote:This is a band that has been mis-labeled since the 80s. I'm sure half the people who dump on this band have never heard IV and Pull....especially Pull, which is arguably one of the greatest unknown hard rock albums ever produced.

Also, A little known fact about their second album, In The Heart Of The Young, is that "Cant't Get Enough" and "Easy Come Easy Go" were added towards the end of the album's production, because Atlantic gave Winger the 'we don't hear a single' cry....If you remove those two songs when you listen to the album, it's got a much different character. The songs are far more cohesively put together.

Regardless, this band takes ALOT of shit because of a very poorly placed label by Mike Judge far more deserved of a band like Poison or Warrant. Did the band have some cheesy songs? sure, you can possibly say that about 17....but I guarantee you that CC Deville of Poison, Joey Allen of Warrant or any other late 80s hair band guitarist couldn't *play* 17 if their life depended on it....

I agree on every level. These guys are top notch musicians and songwriters, and were victims of image abuse by their labels just like Europe. Now that these bands have total creative control, it's pretty clear what they are made of.

"Pull" is one of my top 5 rock albums of all time. Not a weak song on it. Loved the "Making Of" DVD where Kip is recording the acoustic guitar for "Spell I'm Under" and he starts goofing off with it.

Quick note: Warrant actually had much better material in them too, as their post-"Cherry Pie" albums showed. But Poison? With them, what you see is what you get. Bret Michaels is 100% cheese. TUFF is a good example of what Poison would be if you added talent and decent songwriting ability.

not that there's anything wrong with that

by **MCC620** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:53 am

Deb wrote:
slucero wrote:Are they re-doing "17"?

"...she's only 53..."

You're not far off, Kip did change the lyrics to "35" at the Mohegan show last October. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIDioc03HA

kip rocks!

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:01 am

Rip Rokken wrote:Quick note: Warrant actually had much better material in them too, as their post-"Cherry Pie" albums showed. But Poison? With them, what you see is what you get. Bret Michaels is 100% cheese. TUFF is a good example of what Poison would be if you added talent and decent songwriting ability.

Actually, that Cherry Pie album is another example of the label pissing in the punch bowl. Take Cherry Pie and I saw Red off that album, and you get a much different album....far more rough, edgy and underground. Jani Lane has stated as much that Cherry Pie was a label demand for a 'single'....and that he wrote the song after being given the demand. I suspect I saw Red is similar in motivation, as once you remove those two albums, you have a much different album that was going to be called "Uncle Tom's Cabin"....

Regardless, Winger's past 2 albums are far closer to what the band really is....and it's sad that Judge, Atlantic and others took advantage of Winger in such a way.

MR

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