Setlist for 2010

[Don]

They should tour with Triumph. That would be epic.

Triumph would be killer, I'd love it.

Don't see them being much of a draw though (ala Cheap Trick) and Journey banks on other bands drawing crowds for them. So unless there's a 3rd in the mix, won't happen.

Wasn't Triumph on the bill with them at the DOG one time?

Never mind. Answered my own Question.

Journey mixed it up with some heavy acts back in the day, and this doesn't even include their shows with Van Halen.

Journey,Ted Nugent, Blue Oyster Cult, AC/DC, Cheap Trick (September, 1978)
Journey, J. Geils Band, UFO, Thin Lizzy, Nazareth, The Rockets (July 4, 1979)
Journey, Black Sabbath, Molly Hatchet, Gamma (July 27, 1980)
Journey, The Tubes, Toto, Gamma, Santana (June 26, 1982)
Journey, Triumph, Eddie Money, Bryan Adams, Gary Moore (July 30, 1983)

[Eric]

No way they play bigger venues dude. They are playing decent barns now, and IMHO, they can't go bigger than where they are- and that's ok. They are no longer an embarrassment.

However, fuck the opening act. I will admit right now, their catalog is powerful enough to take up 2 hours. No one wants to see Eddie Money, Starship, REO Gleewagon or fuckin 38 Special. Give me a fuckin break. Those bands are mighty fine additions- for the carnival circuit. Journey has a real chance to distance themselves from the shit they have been long attached to. To do that, they need to think bigger, and I don't necessarily mean play bigger venues.

What they should not do is tour next year. Too much saturation. Folks (not you clowns), need a break from fuckin Journey. Make the fans miss you, take your Goddamned time and make a decent, FRESH sounding album and tour in 2 years.

As for set lists, you know exactly what they will play in 2010, 2014 or 2056. THAT they need to change up, big time.

Damn DeanO.....this is the guy I love. You said it exactly...it is time to distance themselves from the lower tier bands. I think Journey shouldn't have toured the US THIS summer though...for the reason you mentioned, but they have to come out with new music next year so that's not an option now in my opinion. Gotta keep the new music coming, or they aint an active band. Venue size is perfect now...they put 14K in Darien Lake alone on a rainy Saturday night last week...so I think thats fine...BUT...I would try and find a young band to open for them. There is this band Hinder who has a lot of guitar in their music - someone like that. They need to play new music and play with new bands if they are to be perceived differently from the bands you mentioned above. And I think they ARE mixing up the setlist...fuck...they played "why can't this cheese go on forever" even!

[Ehwmatt]

Am I the only one that thinks "A Place in Your Heart" is a GREAT song Cause no one has added it to their setlists. Just wondering...

Yeah, the Augeri version with the appropriate Neal lead guitar is great. Arnel sings it well (much better than he does FITH), but I hate the instrumentation on the new version. Neal has his signature style all over the Generations version.

[jrny84]

I would like to see Journey tour by themselves for once, it seems like they are popular enough to at least try it. I think Journey does need to take a little time off and make the fans miss them, so they dont saturate the market like REO, Styx, Eddie Money...etc

As for my 2010 setlist:

Only the young
Anyway you want it
Whos crying now
Wheel in the sky
If he should break your heart
change for the better
faithfully
dont stop believen
girl cant help it
lights
After all these years
stone in love
still they ride
seperate ways
when you love a woman
message of love
higher place
send her my love
ask the lonely
Ill be alright without you
be good to yourself

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I think Journey does need to take a little time off and make the fans miss them, so they dont saturate the market like REO, Styx, Eddie Money...etc

Journey has done a much better job of not saturating the market. That's the effect that taking the whole year of 2007 off had. Plus, they only tour in the summer months. They aren't like Styx and REO who are doing shows basically throughout the entire year. Journey announces a summer tour and does those dates and that's it. Touring once a summer will not saturate the market.

[lights1961]

take a break for 9 months... take time to create dont rush it... then 2011 January start out again...

set list keeps growing...
if they get 2hours... stop the extended crap... be tight... straight forward tons of songs...are better for your money...

AYWAY right off... great opener
lead right into seperate ways... go for the kill in
Line of fire.... then
never walks away... then
higher place
lights/stay awhile.
precious time
feeling that way
new song...
new song...
whos crying now
I ll be alright with out you
send her my love
partys over
Just the same way
Message of love
enocores

LTS
WIIS

[Rockindeano]

They did Foolish heart as well at Mountain Aire you dumbshit Holes.

[Arkansas]

No way they play bigger venues dude. They are playing decent barns now, and IMHO, they can't go bigger than where they are- and that's ok. They are no longer an embarrassment.

However, fuck the opening act. I will admit right now, their catalog is powerful enough to take up 2 hours. No one wants to see Eddie Money, Starship, REO Gleewagon or fuckin 38 Special. Give me a fuckin break. Those bands are mighty fine additions- for the carnival circuit. Journey has a real chance to distance themselves from the shit they have been long attached to. To do that, they need to think bigger, and I don't necessarily mean play bigger venues.

What they should not do is tour next year. Too much saturation. Folks (not you clowns), need a break from fuckin Journey. Make the fans miss you, take your Goddamned time and make a decent, FRESH sounding album and tour in 2 years.

As for set lists, you know exactly what they will play in 2010, 2014 or 2056. THAT they need to change up, big time.

Wow...agree with all of this, especially the saturation point. Extended solos are great, but it's the same guys doing the same things. They don't need to over-tour. Play a few odd dates next year if they can - may be do only really big festivals - but, put some distance between them & the consumers. Recalculate how to get back into super-stardom, which they could be on the edge of. Put the plan in motion and use 2010 as a spring board for what's ahead.

Just stay away from the cliches. Do something new & unexpected...in whatever flavor.


later~

[perryswoman]

Never Walk Away
Separate Ways
Stone In Love
Faithfully
Don't Stop Beleivin'
After The Fall
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love)
Message Of Love
Open Arms
Ask The Lonely
Wheel In The Sky
Any Way You Want It
Who's Crying Now

I take this just minus open arms and add Send Her My Love!

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Play a few odd dates next year if they can - may be do only really big festivals - but, put some distance between them & the consumers. Recalculate how to get back into super-stardom, which they could be on the edge of. Put the plan in motion and use 2010 as a spring board for what's ahead.

Just stay away from the cliches. Do something new & unexpected...in whatever flavor.

Certainly agree with the "do something new and unexpected" sentiment. I just don't see how they can get away with not playing the greatest hits. It's simply not feasible. What they've done by added extended solos and re-working the intros, etc., is a great way of adding some new flavor to songs that will always be in the setlist, no matter what.

Maybe the key to mixing up the setlist is playing longer sets. Maybe they should go out with one opening act and play for a full two hours. That way, you can get in the greatest hits and still have time for deeper cuts and songs off a new album. That's probably the best way to mix up the setlist - add in more time for other songs. Having a greatest hits catalog seems to be a double-edged sword. These songs are what they are known for, but it limits the live setlist a little bit.

And as far as only doing a few shows in 2010 to prepare for a huge 2011... not a bad idea, but does Journey really have the time to be choosy in how it gets out in the public eye? Yes, they've enjoyed a nice resurgence. No doubt about that. But since everything is going Journey's way and the public is taking notice again, can they afford to disappear for a year and then pop back on the scene? I agree it could be done if they recalculate their strategy and put some sort of plan for 2011 in motion in 2010, but it's going to take some skillful PR.

Interesting discussion.

[perryswoman]

Oh Sherrie!

Oh....wait...

Well they did it at least ONCE before:

1986...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOu32Hz8kjY

They also did a little Strung Out...in Detroit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gphj0j0a ... re=related

I have that recording....always thought it was odd they would do Perry solo tracks in the set...

That is very interesting and odd to say the least!

[kgdjpubs]

I have that recording....always thought it was odd they would do Perry solo tracks in the set...

That is very interesting and odd to say the least!

not really, since they had already done tracks from Schon & Hammer, The Babys and the Perry/Loggins Don't Fight It on previous tours. I believe the idea was to toss in a few Perry songs so that Perry wouldn't go do a tour as a solo artist--which has some logic, be it twisted. Solo tours do generally have a way of hurting the sales of the main band in the long run.

[Red13JoePa]

Street Talk was still pretty big at the time and the band prolly figured it owed Perry for a) not touring behind it possibly hurting sales and b) allowing the Schon solo songs on past tours. I liked hearing proper Journey versions of OS and SO....

[Jana]

I have that recording....always thought it was odd they would do Perry solo tracks in the set...

That is very interesting and odd to say the least!

not really, since they had already done tracks from Schon & Hammer, The Babys and the Perry/Loggins Don't Fight It on previous tours. I believe the idea was to toss in a few Perry songs so that Perry wouldn't go do a tour as a solo artist--which has some logic, be it twisted. Solo tours do generally have a way of hurting the sales of the main band in the long run.

Yeah, Herbie addressed it in an interview why they put a few solo songs in to make Perry happy, and it was b/c of Perry not touring for Street Talk and beginning ROR.

[jrnyfan@nc.rr.com]

Why not, here's mine...

1. New song (rocker)
2. Anyway You Want It
3. Ask the Lonely
4. Line of Fire
5. Lights / Stay Awhile
6. After All These Years
7. Feeling That Way
8. Anytime
9. Stone in Love
10. To Be Alive Again
11. Still They Ride
12. When You Love a Woman
13. Lovin Touchin Squeezin
14. New Song
15. Wheel in the Sky
16. Separate Ways
17. Don't Stop Believin'
18. Be Good To Yourself

Encore:
19. Patiently/Why Can't This Night mix
20. Faithfully

[Don]

Why not, here's mine...

1. New song (rocker)
2. Anyway You Want It
3. Ask the Lonely
4. Line of Fire
5. Lights / Stay Awhile
6. After All These Years
7. Feeling That Way
8. Anytime
9. Stone in Love
10. To Be Alive Again
11. Still They Ride
12. When You Love a Woman
13. Lovin Touchin Squeezin
14. New Song
15. Wheel in the Sky
16. Separate Ways
17. Don't Stop Believin'
18. Be Good To Yourself

Encore:
19. Patiently/Why Can't This Night mix
20. Faithfully

You've got something like Seven Ballads there (and we know at least one of the new songs will be one also). So much for the band rocking harder.

[Rockindeano]

Why not, here's mine...

1. New song (rocker)
2. Anyway You Want It
3. Ask the Lonely
4. Line of Fire
5. Lights / Stay Awhile
6. After All These Years
7. Feeling That Way
8. Anytime
9. Stone in Love
10. To Be Alive Again
11. Still They Ride
12. When You Love a Woman
13. Lovin Touchin Squeezin
14. New Song
15. Wheel in the Sky
16. Separate Ways
17. Don't Stop Believin'
18. Be Good To Yourself

Encore:
19. Patiently/Why Can't This Night mix
20. Faithfully

You will never see Line of Fire again. That would do permanent damage to Pinny. No way he hits that octave Espee hit in 81, no fucking way, and besides, they're too cheap to pay for the gun shot explosion.

You won't see Arrival material again save for maybe HP. Not happening

[JasonD]

Here's my fave list even though I know it would never make it to the stage b/c there's too many "Trial By Fire" selections & not enough dirty dozen for the average Journey fan:

Message Of Love
Castles Burning
Anytime
Anyway You Want It
Escape
After All These Years
Stone In Love
Who’s Crying Now
Mother, Father
Still They Ride
One More
Can’t Tame The Lion
Be Good To Yourself
It’s Just The Rain
Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever
The Party’s Over (Hopelessly In Love)


Encores:

Separate Ways
Faithfully

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Here's my fave list even though I know it would never make it to the stage b/c there's too many "Trial By Fire" selections & not enough dirty dozen for the average Journey fan:

Message Of Love
Castles Burning
Anytime
Anyway You Want It
Escape
After All These Years
Stone In Love
Who’s Crying Now
Mother, Father
Still They Ride
One More
Can’t Tame The Lion
Be Good To Yourself
It’s Just The Rain
Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever
The Party’s Over (Hopelessly In Love)


Encores:

Separate Ways
Faithfully

I think the audience's collective hearts would simply stop beating if that was ever played. Yikes.

And what's with wanting them to just play Anytime? Someone else said they just wanted Feelin' That Way. They go together. Either play both, or play neither. They don't stand alone.

[JasonD]

Here's my fave list even though I know it would never make it to the stage b/c there's too many "Trial By Fire" selections & not enough dirty dozen for the average Journey fan:

Message Of Love
Castles Burning
Anytime
Anyway You Want It
Escape
After All These Years
Stone In Love
Who’s Crying Now
Mother, Father
Still They Ride
One More
Can’t Tame The Lion
Be Good To Yourself
It’s Just The Rain
Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever
The Party’s Over (Hopelessly In Love)


Encores:

Separate Ways
Faithfully

I think the audience's collective hearts would simply stop beating if that was ever played. Yikes.

And what's with wanting them to just play Anytime? Someone else said they just wanted Feelin' That Way. They go together. Either play both, or play neither. They don't stand alone.

Damn! I thought I could sqeeze that one in. Oh well, I guess i'll just have to sub that one with one of the regulars missing from my list: Don't Stop Believing.

[Ehwmatt]

Here's my fave list even though I know it would never make it to the stage b/c there's too many "Trial By Fire" selections & not enough dirty dozen for the average Journey fan:

Message Of Love
Castles Burning
Anytime
Anyway You Want It
Escape
After All These Years
Stone In Love
Who’s Crying Now
Mother, Father
Still They Ride
One More
Can’t Tame The Lion
Be Good To Yourself
It’s Just The Rain
Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever
The Party’s Over (Hopelessly In Love)


Encores:

Separate Ways
Faithfully

I think the audience's collective hearts would simply stop beating if that was ever played. Yikes.

And what's with wanting them to just play Anytime? Someone else said they just wanted Feelin' That Way. They go together. Either play both, or play neither. They don't stand alone.

Damn! I thought I could sqeeze that one in. Oh well, I guess i'll just have to sub that one with one of the regulars missing from my list: Don't Stop Believing.

I like Just The Rain! It would be kinda snooze inducing in concert though probably...

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I like Just The Rain! It would be kinda snooze inducing in concert though probably...

Kinda? Probably? Can you imagine what would happen to the crowd if right after Be Good To Yourself came the sultry sounds of It's Just The Rain? They would get booed worse than they did when they played Out Of Harm's Way, In Self-Defense and Butterfly back-to-back-to-back after Stone In Love on the first night of the Generations Tour in 2005.

And then to top it off, at the end there would be a minute and a half of rain sounds, Neal noodling and Arnel making random noises like on the album version. I can't imagine much worse than a mid-set It's Just The Rain.

[steveo777]

Here's my fave list even though I know it would never make it to the stage b/c there's too many "Trial By Fire" selections & not enough dirty dozen for the average Journey fan:

Message Of Love
Castles Burning
Anytime
Anyway You Want It
Escape
After All These Years
Stone In Love
Who’s Crying Now
Mother, Father
Still They Ride
One More
Can’t Tame The Lion
Be Good To Yourself
It’s Just The Rain
Why Can’t This Night Go On Forever
The Party’s Over (Hopelessly In Love)


Encores:

Separate Ways
Faithfully

I think the audience's collective hearts would simply stop beating if that was ever played. Yikes.

And what's with wanting them to just play Anytime? Someone else said they just wanted Feelin' That Way. They go together. Either play both, or play neither. They don't stand alone.

Damn! I thought I could sqeeze that one in. Oh well, I guess i'll just have to sub that one with one of the regulars missing from my list: Don't Stop Believing.

I like Just The Rain! It would be kinda snooze inducing in concert though probably...

My wife likes Still She Cries, but that song just goes nowhere, at least for me.

[JasonD]

I like Just The Rain! It would be kinda snooze inducing in concert though probably...

Kinda? Probably? Can you imagine what would happen to the crowd if right after Be Good To Yourself came the sultry sounds of It's Just The Rain? They would get booed worse than they did when they played Out Of Harm's Way, In Self-Defense and Butterfly back-to-back-to-back after Stone In Love on the first night of the Generations Tour in 2005.

And then to top it off, at the end there would be a minute and a half of rain sounds, Neal noodling and Arnel making random noises like on the album version. I can't imagine much worse than a mid-set It's Just The Rain.

The method to my madness was to give Arnel a breather. Not every song can be a rock hard jam. If you slow it down every so often maybe Arnel wouldn't experience the poor enunciation & slurring of his words he seems to fall victim to whenever he gets winded & starts to hit that brick wall. He needs to be allowed to pace himself. Think of when you're out on the dance floor (if you dance.) Most people can only dance energetically for a couple of songs. After that they need to slow it down a bit.

Best case scenario (for me): I would love to see them cut out all of the slower songs & extend Neal's solos to about 30 minutes per song. Unfortunately, that would leave them with about 4 songs in their entire set: Escape, Who's Crying Now, Mother Father & Stone In Love. After that it would be time to go home already. Concert over.

[Ehwmatt]

I like Just The Rain! It would be kinda snooze inducing in concert though probably...

Kinda? Probably? Can you imagine what would happen to the crowd if right after Be Good To Yourself came the sultry sounds of It's Just The Rain? They would get booed worse than they did when they played Out Of Harm's Way, In Self-Defense and Butterfly back-to-back-to-back after Stone In Love on the first night of the Generations Tour in 2005.

And then to top it off, at the end there would be a minute and a half of rain sounds, Neal noodling and Arnel making random noises like on the album version. I can't imagine much worse than a mid-set It's Just The Rain.

It's an album cut for sure. There are some great songs from Journey and many other bands that just don't work that well live. This is one of them... outside of Journey ever doing an acoustic show, which would suck anyway.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Best case scenario (for me): I would love to see them cut out all of the slower songs & extend Neal's solos to about 30 minutes per song. Unfortunately, that would leave them with about 4 songs in their entire set: Escape, Who's Crying Now, Mother Father & Stone In Love. After that it would be time to go home already. Concert over.

[Glenn]

Oh Sherrie!

Oh....wait...

Well they did it at least ONCE before:

1986...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOu32Hz8kjY

They also did a little Strung Out...in Detroit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gphj0j0a ... re=related

I have that recording....always thought it was odd they would do Perry solo tracks in the set...

I agree.


Though the man who "never felt like a member of the band" was calling all the shots in 86/87....

[KDOUBLEU]

Oh Sherrie!

Oh....wait...

Well they did it at least ONCE before:

1986...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOu32Hz8kjY

They also did a little Strung Out...in Detroit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gphj0j0a ... re=related

I have that recording....always thought it was odd they would do Perry solo tracks in the set...

I agree.


Though the man who "never felt like a member of the band" was calling all the shots in 86/87....

I thought I read in an interview that Herbie was the reason that those songs were included in the set because Steve never toured after he released Street Talk.