President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Rhiannon]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

[Blueskies]

Well I guess the time I was bleeding profusely and the first thing shoved in my face in the ER was a payment form on a clipboard and then sat in the waiting room for 3 hours before even going into the evalution room to get my blood pressure and temp taken and asked what the problem was I should have been at your hospital.

Sorry I just don't believe you.

If you were bleeding that bad they never would have had you wait.

Again, not life threatening.

Again, the sheet they have you sign is a promise to pay, if able. But they cannot deny you medical treatment on your ability to pay or not.

You think the wait is bad here? Go to a Canadian or British hospital and see how long it takes to get seen for ANYTHING, let alone an emergency.

Agreed. I'm a triage nurse, and having a profusely bleeding patient wait 3 hours just doesn't sound right at all. I'm shocked at all these supposed crappy ER's mentioned here. That's never happened to any of our patients, anyone I know, or anyone in my family. And like you said, if it's not deemed life threatening, then yes at some point after you're triaged then of course those insurance people walk in and gather your info. Been happening that way for as long as I can remember. Happened in May when my son was thought to have appendicitis. He was first triaged immediately, stuck in a room (much to the nasty looks from parents there with kids who just had cold symptoms climbing all over the waiting room like nothing's wrong), and then sure enough while we waited for the surgeon to come walking in, along came Ms. Insurance Clerk, lol. Didn't bother me a bit, I filled out what I needed to and handed her our insurance card while at the same time holding the bucket my son was puking in from the pain he was in.

It didn't seem right to me either to sit there bleeding for that long. ...but it happened. Of course the blood wasn't spurting out all over the room or I would have bled to death in that time. I'm not going to explain the emergency on here but I was bleeding a great deal along with large blood clots and was given a payment form to fill out and did wait that long before being seen. Whats false is for anyone to claim that these kind of things don't occur and that all ER's are run well and efficiently in this country. Thats a fallicy.

[Behshad]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

why dont the resident aliens have insurance ?

[RedWingFan]

Yup, the Canadians coming over from Windsor seem to think so. THEY don't have insurance here. Same with all the Canadians going to Cleveland for hip and knee replacements.

LOL, keep letting Fox feed you GOP scare tactics.

Dude, I work 48-56 hours a week and go to school 12 hours a week and take care of my 3 yr old while the wife is working. When the hell am I supposed to find time to watch Fox News????

You speak as if Canadians hate their system.

Then why is fixing their health care system always one of the main issues come election time?

Have you not seen news about thousands of Americans taking buses to Canada weekly to purchase affordable medication? That too is health care, and the notion that you all here think Canada's system sucks is hilarious.

That's because we do the Research and Development on the drugs Dean...we've been over this before. US patent laws don't apply to them.

Canada has the best H/C in the world, period. I would tell you to research your info, but then you all would scurry on over to Fox News for Hannity's latest TP's.

And they don't have a military that could fight off Grenada. They can't afford one.

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness and oh yeah, wealthier per capita than the USA. Canada has a decent military, but why ramp it up when you have big brother south of the border?

Oh yeah, and please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TELL ME HOW YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE??????? NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU, unless you get fired, move or happen along on a situation where the insurance company drops you!

Please show me where Obama and co. are going to take your H/C away.

Obama says his plan is not socialized medicine because he's just providing a "public option" to make the private insurers more competitive. Well, he's stacking the deck with mandated coverage which, by definition, reduces competition and subsidizing the public option. He would provide incentives to businesses to move employees to the public plan. Also, once you lose your insurance, your coverage choices would no longer be grandfathered, and you'd be forced to buy a plan that includes Big Brother's mandates... meaning most would gravitate toward the government plan. A single-payer system is virtually inevitable.

[Rhiannon]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

why dont the resident aliens have insurance ?

I don't begin to act like I understand the ins and outs of the world. I just know from personal observation there tends to be a larger number of migrant workers and lower class in those waiting rooms who are only there to grab some antibiotics for a sinus infection or something. I'm by no means lumping them into one universal category, but I guess my best answer would be: "Cause most of them can't afford it."

[Behshad]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

why dont the resident aliens have insurance ?

I don't begin to act like I understand the ins and outs of the world. I just know from personal observation there tends to be a larger number of migrant workers and lower class in those waiting rooms who are only there to grab some antibiotics for a sinus infection or something. I'm by no means lumping them into one universal category, but I guess my best answer would be: "Cause most of them can't afford it."

most people in lower class and middle class cant afford health insurance, regardless of their residency status

[Melissa]

[/quote]It didn't seem right to me either to sit there bleeding for that long. ...but it happened. Of course the blood wasn't spurting out all over the room or I would have bled to death in that time. I'm not going to explain the emergency on here but I was bleeding a great deal along with large blood clots and was given a payment form to fill out and did wait that long before being seen. Whats false is for anyone to claim that these kind of things don't occur and that all ER's are run well and efficiently in this country. Thats a fallicy.[/quote]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

[Blueskies]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

why dont the resident aliens have insurance ?

I don't begin to act like I understand the ins and outs of the world. I just know from personal observation there tends to be a larger number of migrant workers and lower class in those waiting rooms who are only there to grab some antibiotics for a sinus infection or something. I'm by no means lumping them into one universal category, but I guess my best answer would be: "Cause most of them can't afford it."

Thats one of the reasons why there is such a need for health care reform. There are too many people who don't have insurance that only see a doctor in the emergency room. It's clogging up the ER's with people looking for treatment for minor complaints that they should be getting treatment for at a doctors office. Not only does it keep the ER's too busy and keep some who should be seen first down on the list it is also a part of everyones medical expense now. If you are insured out of the amount you pay yearly around a 1000 dollars of it is going to pay for the uninsured.

[Behshad]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

Did Stevew2 help you with the quote button ?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

[Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness and oh yeah, wealthier per capita than the USA. Canada has a decent military, but why ramp it up when you have big brother south of the border?


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Good friggin grief,

We have Journey, they have loverboy
We had Bullwinkle, they have abunch of nameless moose
We have the pittsburg steelers, theyve got the Saskatchewan Roughriders
They did have Bryan Adams but he went all wimpy over some Robin Hood song
We even stole Gretzky


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[Melissa]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

Did Stevew2 help you with the quote button ?

Yeah oops

[Angel]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

I could not agree more. Phyllis, while I know your situation must have been very frustrating and scary for you and I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you never have to again, it obviously was not a life threatening situation.

[Behshad]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

I could not agree more. Phyllis, while I know your situation must have been very frustrating and scary for you and I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you never have to again, it obviously was not a life threatening situation.

How did you figure that out??

[Blueskies]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

I could not agree more. Phyllis, while I know your situation must have been very frustrating and scary for you and I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you never have to again, it obviously was not a life threatening situation.

How did you figure that out??

What..ghosts aren't on the net?.

[Angel]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

I could not agree more. Phyllis, while I know your situation must have been very frustrating and scary for you and I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you never have to again, it obviously was not a life threatening situation.

How did you figure that out??

I'm a professional.

[Rhiannon]

most people in lower class and middle class cant afford health insurance, regardless of their residency status

Yes, yes, B... I know this. I was in no way being derogatory by using the terms I did, just more so descriptive terms.

This isn't directed at you, B... I'm ranting now.
And another thing... it's not always these people's fault they don't have coverage. (I have no stance on universal health care, because really what the fuck would it matter either way, ya know?) Not every citizen in this country is cut out for the corporate umbrella. Just because the majority of people have corporate 9-5 type jobs or work under some tertiary entity run by a larger company doesn't mean everyone does. And Billy the local farmer just doesn't have the means or smarts to provide "benefits" for his employees. Most of which are seasonal, or paid under the table, or whatever...

People have to work these less than glamourous jobs, and are the foundation of many local economies. They shouldn't be made to suffer because they just so happen to not have a desk job in an air conditioned building that they drive their Toyota to everyday. There are people out there who bust their everliving ass all day long so you can go to the store and buy produce or are happy to mow your lawn in the triple digit heat because you have the disposable income to pay someone else to do your dirty work, they work and contribute to society just as much as anyone and should at least be able to get a tourniquet when they cut their arm in half in some freak accident without having to fear absolute poverty afterwards.

I know times are tough and no one wants to pay more taxes for something that isn't going to benefit them, or for something they don't support. But damn it, this is America and we're all in this together whether we like it or not. So we might as well suck it up, and if you don't like this administration's policies or ideas... then get out there and rally behind someone else. You have a voice! Get someone else in there in four years who will reverse whatever happens. But until then, what's done is done. And it's not so evil that your neighbor's kid won't die when he finds out he has a life-threatening illness and his parents who both work two jobs just to make ends meet can't afford his bills.

I have no idea what my point is either.

Ok... /rant.

[Blueskies]

No I know full well they aren't all run well. I just don't think that true life-threatening emergencies are ignored as much as portrayed sometimes.

I could not agree more. Phyllis, while I know your situation must have been very frustrating and scary for you and I am sorry you had to go through that and I hope you never have to again, it obviously was not a life threatening situation.

How did you figure that out??

I'm a professional.

Obviously I'm alive. ..who knows if I had waited even longer then I did...an hour or two more and I might not have lived to see the day I could get on the net and engage in battle royals with strangers. What a shame that would have been for some of my " admirers ".

[Blueskies]

most people in lower class and middle class cant afford health insurance, regardless of their residency status

Yes, yes, B... I know this. I was in no way being derogatory by using the terms I did, just more so descriptive terms.

This isn't directed at you, B... I'm ranting now.
And another thing... it's not always these people's fault they don't have coverage. (I have no stance on universal health care, because really what the fuck would it matter either way, ya know?) Not every citizen in this country is cut out for the corporate umbrella. Just because the majority of people have corporate 9-5 type jobs or work under some tertiary entity run by a larger company doesn't mean everyone does. And Billy the local farmer just doesn't have the means or smarts to provide "benefits" for his employees. Most of which are seasonal, or paid under the table, or whatever...

People have to work these less than glamourous jobs, and are the foundation of many local economies. They shouldn't be made to suffer because they just so happen to not have a desk job in an air conditioned building that they drive their Toyota to everyday. There are people out there who bust their everliving ass all day long so you can go to the store and buy produce or are happy to mow your lawn in the triple digit heat because you have the disposable income to pay someone else to do your dirty work, they work and contribute to society just as much as anyone and should at least be able to get a tourniquet when they cut their arm in half in some freak accident without having to fear absolute poverty afterwards.

I know times are tough and no one wants to pay more taxes for something that isn't going to benefit them, or for something they don't support. But damn it, this is America and we're all in this together whether we like it or not. So we might as well suck it up, and if you don't like this administration's policies or ideas... then get out there and rally behind someone else. You have a voice! Get someone else in there in four years who will reverse whatever happens. But until then, what's done is done. And it's not so evil that your neighbor's kid won't die when he finds out he has a life-threatening illness and his parents who both work two jobs just to make ends meet can't afford his bills.

I have no idea what my point is either.

Ok... /rant.

+1000
Well, for having no idea of your point you sure made some good ones!

[Rhiannon]

+1000
Well, for having no idea of your point you sure made some good ones!

Thank ya ma'am! Kinda felt like I was channelling my inner you on that post...

[Blueskies]

+1000
Well, for having no idea of your point you sure made some good ones!

Thank ya ma'am! Kinda felt like I was channelling my inner you on that post...

Uh oh! Are you in trouble now!! I'll keep you in my thoughts and wish you the best.

[Eric]

Thanks Dr Stu,,,, And at the time they didnt know what it was,,, I was in major pain, and they had me fill out the paperwork before they examined me.....

Pussy

I am what I eat, Dick

HoooH!

[Eric]

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness

MUCH steeper fines for littering. Although, Toronto has really become dirtier than it used to be, eve 10 years ago. I noticed it big-time this past April.

[Rockindeano]

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness

MUCH steeper fines for littering. Although, Toronto has really become dirtier than it used to be, eve 10 years ago. I noticed it big-time this past April.

It's too close to that toilet called Detroit. The shit runneth over.

This Winter, Vancouver will be on the world stage for the Olympics 2010. I always thought Vancouver was the nicest city in the world. You all can watch and tell me if I am nuts or not.

[Behshad]

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness

MUCH steeper fines for littering. Although, Toronto has really become dirtier than it used to be, eve 10 years ago. I noticed it big-time this past April.

It's too close to that toilet called Detroit. The shit runneth over.

This Winter, Vancouver will be on the world stage for the Olympics 2010. I always thought Vancouver was the nicest city in the world. You all can watch and tell me if I am nuts or not.

Team Canada will get the GOLD MEDAL in hockey

[donnaplease]

While it's certainly been the exception and not the rule, I did experience personally a situation where I took a friend of mine to the ER due to severe abdominal pain, and she got the 'give me your insurance information' before she was triaged. This girl was in the waiting room on her hands and knees, rocking and vomiting, and there was a young girl behind the glass demanding the information. I was infuriated, and told her she better get someone out there to get Mindee back to be seen immediately. We wound up just giving her the card and going on back. My friend was seriously ill with a bowel obstruction and needed surgery during the night. While she wasn't imminently dying, she was severely sick and could've had major complications it her care was further delayed. It was a horrible experience, and one I hope to never go through again. Fortunately for her she had no complications.

Now, at the hospital we mainly use here, there is a triage area just as you enter the doors of the ER, so that folks are seen and triaged before anything else takes place. If you don't need emergent care, then you are asked to complete your registration before being sent back to an exam room. Now, keep in mind that this is for walk-ins. Someone coming in by ambulance goes straight to the exam area, and as someone mentioned a family member or other loved one usually fills out paperwork.

I happen to think that regardless of universal coverage, people will continue to use the ER as a walk-in clinic, because of the relative convenience of it. I would bet that a large number of folks using the ER for this reason do so in the evenings, either after they get off work or due to fear that the doctors office isn't open in the middle of the night. I also don't think people will take advantage of the 'preventative care' benefits as much as TPTB suggest. Hell, I've got preventative coverage for me & my family, and I don't get a yearly comprehensive exam, nor does my family.

No system is perfect (despite what Dean tries to tell us ). But... no one is 'shown the door' at an ER for inability to pay, and we do have IMO the best medical care available in the world. IDK what the answer is to all this, I just happen to think this isn't it.

[treetopovskaya]

Melissa, I would and will never doubt you, but here in LA, at Dr King memorial, people die in the waiting room! Yes, it's an awful hospital, underfunded, and all that, but it does happen here in America.

This is because resident aliens and the underprivileged don't have insurance so they go to the ER for an earache or take their kid who has a tummy virus. With all the non-emergency cases in any given ER clogging up the line, it's no wonder people who REALLY need urgent attention don't get it. I guess maybe that is an upside to some system that helps the citizens without health care coverage to receive care in a private practice, it will alleviate situations like what you're talking about.

so what is obama going to do about the people that are here illegally that use the ER for basic care? if the people who refuse insurance are going to be fined (because they end up costing us more money... since they have no insurance they too use the ER for basic care)... what about the money it cost to care for the people that are in this country illegally?

[yak]

Your taxpayer dollars at work: The networks have swept this story under the rug.


ACORN coaching prostitute to evade taxes and pimp teenage illegal immigrant girls


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTnizEnC1U

[treetopovskaya]

Yup, the Canadians coming over from Windsor seem to think so. THEY don't have insurance here. Same with all the Canadians going to Cleveland for hip and knee replacements.

LOL, keep letting Fox feed you GOP scare tactics.

Dude, I work 48-56 hours a week and go to school 12 hours a week and take care of my 3 yr old while the wife is working. When the hell am I supposed to find time to watch Fox News????

You speak as if Canadians hate their system.

Then why is fixing their health care system always one of the main issues come election time?

Have you not seen news about thousands of Americans taking buses to Canada weekly to purchase affordable medication? That too is health care, and the notion that you all here think Canada's system sucks is hilarious.

That's because we do the Research and Development on the drugs Dean...we've been over this before. US patent laws don't apply to them.

Canada has the best H/C in the world, period. I would tell you to research your info, but then you all would scurry on over to Fox News for Hannity's latest TP's.

And they don't have a military that could fight off Grenada. They can't afford one.

Too many quotes to make a clear reply, but, have you ever been to Canada? Beautiful in every corner, nook and cranny. 2nd to none cities, gorgeous wilderness and oh yeah, wealthier per capita than the USA. Canada has a decent military, but why ramp it up when you have big brother south of the border?

Oh yeah, and please, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, TELL ME HOW YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE??????? NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU, unless you get fired, move or happen along on a situation where the insurance company drops you!

Please show me where Obama and co. are going to take your H/C away.

Obama says his plan is not socialized medicine because he's just providing a "public option" to make the private insurers more competitive. Well, he's stacking the deck with mandated coverage which, by definition, reduces competition and subsidizing the public option. He would provide incentives to businesses to move employees to the public plan. Also, once you lose your insurance, your coverage choices would no longer be grandfathered, and you'd be forced to buy a plan that includes Big Brother's mandates... meaning most would gravitate toward the government plan. A single-payer system is virtually inevitable.

yep.

[treetopovskaya]

wilson is a druggie!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ls-in-2007

AHH HA HA HAA!!

[RedWingFan]

Funny how it's supposedly conservatives who are mind numbed robots!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTQawLBC59g