IMAGINE IF KEITH URBAN DID SAME TO MARY J. BILGE

[Blueskies]

I guess I'm supposed to let some idiot say whatever they want and not say anything back? Would you? Hey, I've tried it both ways, respond and ignore many times and it's still done. I'm pretty dang sick and tired of some constantly trying to make it all about me too. I don't get why your not saying something to Frank instead of me here in this thread but.. whatever.

Look....it's currently about 14 people vs you. I have to look at the odds here. I'm over all of this constant bickering.

I'm all over it too. I wish some others would get over it as well. Like I've said, if people cut out the name calling and discuss things in a civil manner with me I will with them.

Except that you don't; I've asked you politely and respectfully on more than one occasion to let a matter drop, and you have insisted on carrying on. People jump on you because you have a long history of hypocrisy, of involving yourself in other people's debates, of setting yourself up as the moral arbiter over others, and it gets irritating, so we jump in because you are doing the same thing again, just to someone else. You make snap judgements about other people's motives, then point blank refuse to listen to them or accept what they say when they disagree with your interpretation; you take it upon yourself to make moral judgements about other people's actions, and usually do so hypocritically because you condemn someone for doing what you have recently and repeatedly done yourself; when the flaws and/or hypocricy in your posts are pointed out, you refuse to acknowledge what has been said but instead attack the poster; you always have to have the last word, no matter what.

The end result is that you present as someone who is incredibly aggresive, rude, argumentative, uncaring, self-centred and loaded with hubris. Which is frustrating, because when you aren't busy being the moral police, you have interesting stuff to say, and you seem to have done some pretty generous, caring things for others. But your apparent need to put everyone else in the wrong no matter what wipes all of that out. A little humility goes a long way, you know?

Wow, Ari! How many times are you going to give me one of YOUR " assessments" ?? How "polite" of you to grant me another! Hey, I could write a whole page on you here and remind you of some realities and rehash and re-examine old arguments... but since I have a habit of letting things go and move on until someones an ass towards me again...and since I'm going to respect Andrews wishes and let any ...umm...all knowing quibbler.. say what they want like I told him I would, I'll let you have your say...although I've already had you assess me a multitude of times now. Thanks! I will remind you that Andrew has told you to knock it off several times, though, so even if you have no respect for me it would be nice if you showed him some and honor his request as well.
Hey, I'll tell ya what...I've got a real busy day so if releasing this load didn't make you feel better and you need to vent some more you can always send me some more of your crazy mad woman cuss me out PM's like you do and I'll just ignore them and not respond like I usually do,... and give you the last word since you seem to want it so much ...how's that?

That goes for anyone else that wants to assess , call names, cuss out, tell off....whatever. Give Andrew a break and send it in PM. I won't get back to you on it, won't read it and just delete as it comes to the inbox, but feel free to send.

( All others who aren't among my special little group of "admirers" I will read. )

[ScarabGator]

ooooh boy. Here we go again. Sheriff blueskies is on duty.

[texafana]

Too bad Cuntye didn't try that shit on someone with a bit more backbone like Pink. I bet she would have pulled that mic out of his hands and said "get the fk out of here..".

[StevePerryHair]

Too bad Cuntye didn't try that shit on someone with a bit more backbone like Pink. I bet she would have pulled that mic out of his hands and said "get the fk out of here..".

No, she would have hit him with the mic. He NEVER would have done that to her. Drunk or not, he knows Pink could kick his a**

[Behshad]

My motto is: You can disagree with me all you want but talk to me in a respectful manner and I'll respond in kind. Don't name call and all that crap. Pretty simple concept.

That would be all well and good. What I can't stand is when others are having a good scrap, and you butt in and start trying to call balls and strikes on who said what and who's right or wrong!!!

People, including myself don't mind a good debate. That's what makes me want to tell you to STFU most times.

Bravo...couldn't have said it better....

Come on, Frank...you really don't think anyones opinion should be heard but your own, not just mine. :l
ol:

and my opinion is that I am sick of every bloody thread turning into the Blueskies circus. Enough already!

Now that does sound like a nice place to take your kids to

But seriously Andrew,, there is enough evidence here to put the defendant in a dungeon, lock it and throw away the key. Either she gets a pleasure from all these threads she derails with her "circus", or she's simply misunderstood here at our planet.... either way, although at times she creates good traffic and makes sure there's never a dull moment when she's around, at the end of the day, she brings and creates more negativity. Is it worth it

[strangegrey]

Except that you don't; I've asked you politely and respectfully on more than one occasion to let a matter drop, and you have insisted on carrying on. People jump on you because you have a long history of hypocrisy, of involving yourself in other people's debates, of setting yourself up as the moral arbiter over others, and it gets irritating, so we jump in because you are doing the same thing again, just to someone else. You make snap judgements about other people's motives, then point blank refuse to listen to them or accept what they say when they disagree with your interpretation; you take it upon yourself to make moral judgements about other people's actions, and usually do so hypocritically because you condemn someone for doing what you have recently and repeatedly done yourself; when the flaws and/or hypocricy in your posts are pointed out, you refuse to acknowledge what has been said but instead attack the poster; you always have to have the last word, no matter what.

The end result is that you present as someone who is incredibly aggresive, rude, argumentative, uncaring, self-centred and loaded with hubris. Which is frustrating, because when you aren't busy being the moral police, you have interesting stuff to say, and you seem to have done some pretty generous, caring things for others. But your apparent need to put everyone else in the wrong no matter what wipes all of that out. A little humility goes a long way, you know?

Holy shit!! Wow! ...2 paragraphs of pure perfection!

[StevePerryHair]

My motto is: You can disagree with me all you want but talk to me in a respectful manner and I'll respond in kind. Don't name call and all that crap. Pretty simple concept.

That would be all well and good. What I can't stand is when others are having a good scrap, and you butt in and start trying to call balls and strikes on who said what and who's right or wrong!!!

People, including myself don't mind a good debate. That's what makes me want to tell you to STFU most times.

Bravo...couldn't have said it better....

Come on, Frank...you really don't think anyones opinion should be heard but your own, not just mine. :l
ol:

and my opinion is that I am sick of every bloody thread turning into the Blueskies circus. Enough already!

Now that does sound like a nice place to take your kids to

[Behshad]

,... and give you the last word since you seem to want it so much ...how's that?

I knew I shouldve paid the $ to get the ©opyrights for that line ....

[Peartree12249]

I don't think we can fix racism until we start talking about it in all it's forms. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

[Behshad]

I don't think we can fix racism until we start talking about it in all it's forms. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

Racism ? Phyl is not black

[Peartree12249]

I don't think we can fix racism until we start talking about it in all it's forms. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

Racism ? Phyl is not black

Just trying to get theis thread back on track.

[Arkansas]

What if the object wasn't Beyonce? What if KW would have said <some white chick> should have won? Would this be a race issue, or just a stupid & rude issue?

What if KW would have made a Journey DSB reference during this meltdown?

I think this thread might show that white people are often just as quick to play the 'race card' blame game.

I think KW was mostly likely just being a total dumb@ss, and trying to smooch Jay-Z's back side.



later~

[strangegrey]

What if the object wasn't Beyonce? What if KW would have said <some white chick> should have won? Would this be a race issue, or just a stupid & rude issue?

Um, with all due respect. That wouldn't have happened. That's why a great deal of us believe this is racially motivated. I don't think there's a single person out there could possibly see Kanye west interupting Beyonce's acceptance speech, if he felt that Taylor Swift's video was the "greatest of all time."

Not a very good argument, in my opinion.

What if KW would have made a Journey DSB reference during this meltdown?

OK, now I know you're just being a smart ass!

I think this thread might show that white people are often just as quick to play the 'race card' blame game.

Eh, I'm not sure if I agree with that. How can people adress racism,, as a problem, without calling out racism when it happens? I'm sorry that you feel some of us are playing a race-card...but the true litmus test of whether this is a race issue is by reversing it. If a black rapper won an award at a country music festival and Toby Kieth got up and protested, Jesse Jackson would have a team of folks down in Nashille quicker than stink on shit....

I think KW was mostly likely just being a total dumb@ss, and trying to smooch Jay-Z's back side.

Who is likely equally offended at a white country girl stealing from what he thought is a black dominated awards ceremony. All you're suggesting is that Kanye acted like a soldier for a racist motive....no different than if he pulled the trigger himself.

[Rockindeano]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

[Ehwmatt]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

And yes, more qualified white and asian people have been kept out of jobs or schools because of affirmative action.

[Rockindeano]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

I would wager that yes, they have. There are so many employers out there that would never, ever hire a black guy. There are many instances of disenfranchising based on race. Hell, voters were disenfranchised in the 2000 Presidential election. You can't tell me their aren't people right now in this country who cannot stand the thought that our leader is a black man. And there are folks on this board who feel that way. Just because there are laws that state fair and equality to all, passed since 1964, doesn't mean that in reality, there is fairness and equality for all. It just means that there is a piece of paper guaranteeing said right.

As for your argument about THRIVING on maintaining a perception of inequality, I would agree with that regarding Jackson and Sharpton. They make their money with that idea.

[Ehwmatt]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

I would wager that yes, they have. There are so many employers out there that would never, ever hire a black guy. There are many instances of disenfranchising based on race.

Evidence please, the various Equal Opportunity Employment Acts are taken as seriously as heart attacks and honestly, if suit is brought by a black or hispanic, the presumption for the employer is guilty unless proven innocent.

[Rockindeano]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

I would wager that yes, they have. There are so many employers out there that would never, ever hire a black guy. There are many instances of disenfranchising based on race.

Evidence please, the various Equal Opportunity Employment Acts are taken as seriously as heart attacks and honestly, if suit is brought by a black or hispanic, the presumption for the employer is guilty unless proven innocent.

Evidence? My last job, my boss said there were "two Beaners and a couple niggers who applied. I threw their apps in the circular file." Look, I despise Affirmative Action, but I respect it, and support it, even though I, was overlooked and passed on with superior credentials than those of a hispanic and black woman. I was ok with it, because I understand the hardships they face in daily living.

[Ehwmatt]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

You can't tell me their aren't people right now in this country who cannot stand the thought that our leader is a black man. And there are folks on this board who feel that way. Just because there are laws that state fair and equality to all, passed since 1964, doesn't mean that in reality, there is fairness and equality for all. It just means that there is a piece of paper guaranteeing said right.

As for your argument about THRIVING on maintaining a perception of inequality, I would agree with that regarding Jackson and Sharpton. They make their money with that idea.

First bolded point - racism exists and is endemic to human beings - that's why you have Jews and Arabs killing each other since the fuckin stone age. I won't deny that at all.

Second bolded point - Life isn't fair. Just because you don't get hired or admitted to a school doesn't mean it was because you're black or whatever else. Likely not. Unfortunately, thanks to reverse discrimination, if you're white or asian, there's at least a decent chance.

Third bolded point - Equality of opportunity, not condition.

[Ehwmatt]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

I would wager that yes, they have. There are so many employers out there that would never, ever hire a black guy. There are many instances of disenfranchising based on race.

Evidence please, the various Equal Opportunity Employment Acts are taken as seriously as heart attacks and honestly, if suit is brought by a black or hispanic, the presumption for the employer is guilty unless proven innocent.

Evidence? My last job, my boss said there were "two Beaners and a couple niggers who applied. I threw their apps in the circular file." Look, I despise Affirmative Action, but I respect it, and support it, even though I, was overlooked and passed on with superior credentials than those of a hispanic and black woman. I was ok with it, because I understand the hardships they face in daily living.

Well whereever that was, that guy is truly a moron and is waiting to be bankrupted.

[Ehwmatt]

And Dean, I don't really think we disagree that much on this overall issue to be honest. Just a few differences when you get down to nitty gritty facts/situations.

[Behshad]

No doubt there are those who are the victims of racism. It's how you deal with it that makes a difference. As Matthew said , there's this group of people who just thrive on it. That's really not the solution to fight racism. And honestly i don't think we can fight racism completely. But based my own personal experience , when I've been put in the situation , I've tried to either crack a joke about ut or simply stand tall and fight for my rights rather than hide as a racism victim.

It just annoys me that people HOPE to be treated differently cause of their race/background only to use it as an excuse , cause they didn't accomplish something they never wouldve in the first place anyways.

[stevew2]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

I was, in Richmond the other day when they shut down the wine line during Frigas solo,boy I was pissed,fuck Virginia

[Ehwmatt]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

I was, in Richmond the other day when they shut down the wine line during Frigas solo,boy I was pissed,fuck Virginia

LOL

[Angel]

It just annoys me that people HOPE to be treated differently cause of their race/background only to use it as an excuse , cause they didn't accomplish something they never wouldve in the first place anyways.

Very well said!!!!!!!!!

[stevew2]

Except that you don't; I've asked you politely and respectfully on more than one occasion to let a matter drop, and you have insisted on carrying on. People jump on you because you have a long history of hypocrisy, of involving yourself in other people's debates, of setting yourself up as the moral arbiter over others, and it gets irritating, so we jump in because you are doing the same thing again, just to someone else. You make snap judgements about other people's motives, then point blank refuse to listen to them or accept what they say when they disagree with your interpretation; you take it upon yourself to make moral judgements about other people's actions, and usually do so hypocritically because you condemn someone for doing what you have recently and repeatedly done yourself; when the flaws and/or hypocricy in your posts are pointed out, you refuse to acknowledge what has been said but instead attack the poster; you always have to have the last word, no matter what.

The end result is that you present as someone who is incredibly aggresive, rude, argumentative, uncaring, self-centred and loaded with hubris. Which is frustrating, because when you aren't busy being the moral police, you have interesting stuff to say, and you seem to have done some pretty generous, caring things for others. But your apparent need to put everyone else in the wrong no matter what wipes all of that out. A little humility goes a long way, you know?

Holy shit!! Wow! ...2 paragraphs of pure perfection!

I just want to see some titties

[RedWingFan]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Then how is it that a "black" person can come here from Trinidad or some other nation and own their own party store inside of 2 years of getting their citizenship? They're not bleaching their skin. They come here for the opportunity and FREEDOM to succeed, they bring the hard work with them!!

[Blueskies]

I don't think we can fix racism until we start talking about it in all it's forms. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

Racism ? Phyl is not black

I am white, yes....and my beautiful 1 year old granddaughter is half white, half black. So if you and my other couple of "admirers" don't mind I have an interest in reading the discussions of race and racism that have going on this week and may want to discuss it here and there without your games, ok?

[Blueskies]

It's easy to sit here and say Kanye is an asshole, which he obviously is, his skin color notwithstanding. It's easy to point fingers at Kanye West and then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as reverse racists because they are. However, let me ask you something. To all the white folks here: Have you ever been racially disenfranchised from anything? A job, a bathroom, a drinking fountain, a school room, a place in a food line?

Have they in the last 30 years? Only in their imaginations. That's the whole point... time to move on. Instead, they THRIVE on maintaining the perception of inequality.

I would wager that yes, they have. There are so many employers out there that would never, ever hire a black guy. There are many instances of disenfranchising based on race. Hell, voters were disenfranchised in the 2000 Presidential election. You can't tell me their aren't people right now in this country who cannot stand the thought that our leader is a black man. And there are folks on this board who feel that way. Just because there are laws that state fair and equality to all, passed since 1964, doesn't mean that in reality, there is fairness and equality for all. It just means that there is a piece of paper guaranteeing said right.

As for your argument about THRIVING on maintaining a perception of inequality, I would agree with that regarding Jackson and Sharpton. They make their money with that idea.

Well said and too true.

[Behshad]

I don't think we can fix racism until we start talking about it in all it's forms. No matter how uncomfortable that makes us. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

Racism ? Phyl is not black

I am white, yes....and my beautiful 1 year old granddaughter is half white, half black. So if you and my other couple of "admirers" don't mind I have an interest in reading the discussions of race and racism that have going on this week and may want to discuss it here and there without your games, ok?

If you wanna discuss things, dont bring your fucking drama in here, OK ???