Next few shows are the "last 10 of 2009 and 2010"

[Since 78]

I like the idea of going away for the year, but this should mean the album isn't released next year either.

The notion of taking time to write the album doesn't sound like a good concept to me. They took 2 years to write Arrival and it sounded too forced with the outside writers, etc.....too polished sometimes. In their heydey they cranked out albums every year.....it has to include Steve Perry with them maybe to be magical.

Fixed it for ya! Yur welcome!

Would be great if he wanted to work

Journeyrock you do good work...that looks much better

Yeah, I thought so too, Portland cuz it's true.

Eric, it doesn't matter whether or not he wants to work, that wasn't the point. You said that maybe they need to be spontaneous to be magical. I simply corrected it to what they need to be magical, not that it would or would not happen.

You know, on second thought, maybe it would be good if Andrew put the Journey Forum and the SP Forum together. Yeah, that might be fun.

[brywool]

They will tour their ass s of until Arnels vocal chords are shredded. They said they were goin to take a break in 2005 and ended up playing that year lipping , and then start a tour in 2006 with a singer with no voice,i wouldnt bebeive a thing theys guys say ever

Well, one thing is for sure, they really protected Arnel's voice this year with what they did with down-tuning a half-step and the spacing of the tour. Here we are at the end of the tour, and the videos from Atlanta a few days ago show his voice sounding clear and strong.

Its just a matter of time,if Azoff {assaff} dangles the right amount of my to tour up with a good band they wouldnt turn it down

Hey Steve- weren't u the guy saying Arnel wouldn't last 6 months? He's done that in spades and kicked ass.

All the talk about Perry coming back, jeez, talk about "Don't Stop Believing". Give it up people...

It's pretty freakin' clear that Arnel is the singer of choice for Neal at this point. He's done nothing but stand by the guy, and rightfully so.

Someone posted "Now that Neal knows Perry can sing" or something.... um, based on what??? Rumors, press releases, and people that are working for Perry. Like they're going to say "well, he's still burnt". Perry can sing, but at the range he did before 94? Time will tell, but I would be amazed if that were true (and more than happy).

Journey has toured the world the past two years. They've had killer reviews pretty much everywhere they went and they've done it all without Perry's ego getting in the way. Do you really think Neal gives a rat's ass about Perry these days? Especially when they can just sing the songs that Perry helped write into infinity and still make dough off it?
Arnel costs less. Is a great singer and has more shelf life vocal-wise than Perry at their respective ages. He's doing a decent job for the band. The other thing is that the record buying public has moved on from Journey. They are strictly a touring act these days. Doesn't mean tribute act, means touring act. If Perry came back, he would NOT want to tour. If they were smart, they'd do ONE SHOW with Perry- print a buttload of DVDs and all walk off into the sunset.

Personally, I want to hear what Journey and ARNEL do next. I also want solo Perry if it's NEW. If it's old stuff he's re-releasing, then I ain't intersted.

If it's new, great- everybody wins. Why have one choice for good music when you could have two?

[Jana]

They will tour their ass s of until Arnels vocal chords are shredded. They said they were goin to take a break in 2005 and ended up playing that year lipping , and then start a tour in 2006 with a singer with no voice,i wouldnt bebeive a thing theys guys say ever

Well, one thing is for sure, they really protected Arnel's voice this year with what they did with down-tuning a half-step and the spacing of the tour. Here we are at the end of the tour, and the videos from Atlanta a few days ago show his voice sounding clear and strong.

Its just a matter of time,if Azoff {assaff} dangles the right amount of my to tour up with a good band they wouldnt turn it down

Hey Steve- weren't u the guy saying Arnel wouldn't last 6 months? He's done that in spades and kicked ass.

All the talk about Perry coming back, jeez, talk about "Don't Stop Believing". Give it up people...

It's pretty freakin' clear that Arnel is the singer of choice for Neal at this point. He's done nothing but stand by the guy, and rightfully so.

Someone posted "Now that Neal knows Perry can sing" or something.... um, based on what??? Rumors, press releases, and people that are working for Perry. Like they're going to say "well, he's still burnt". Perry can sing, but at the range he did before 94? Time will tell, but I would be amazed if that were true (and more than happy).

Journey has toured the world the past two years. They've had killer reviews pretty much everywhere they went and they've done it all without Perry's ego getting in the way. Do you really think Neal gives a rat's ass about Perry these days? Especially when they can just sing the songs that Perry helped write into infinity and still make dough off it?
Arnel costs less. Is a great singer and has more shelf life vocal-wise than Perry at their respective ages. He's doing a decent job for the band. The other thing is that the record buying public has moved on from Journey. They are strictly a touring act these days. Doesn't mean tribute act, means touring act. If Perry came back, he would NOT want to tour. If they were smart, they'd do ONE SHOW with Perry- print a buttload of DVDs and all walk off into the sunset.

Personally, I want to hear what Journey and ARNEL do next. I also want solo Perry if it's NEW. If it's old stuff he's re-releasing, then I ain't intersted.

If it's new, great- everybody wins. Why have one choice for good music when you could have two?

As usual, good post.

[journeyrock]

They will tour their ass s of until Arnels vocal chords are shredded. They said they were goin to take a break in 2005 and ended up playing that year lipping , and then start a tour in 2006 with a singer with no voice,i wouldnt bebeive a thing theys guys say ever

Well, one thing is for sure, they really protected Arnel's voice this year with what they did with down-tuning a half-step and the spacing of the tour. Here we are at the end of the tour, and the videos from Atlanta a few days ago show his voice sounding clear and strong.

Its just a matter of time,if Azoff {assaff} dangles the right amount of my to tour up with a good band they wouldnt turn it down

Hey Steve- weren't u the guy saying Arnel wouldn't last 6 months? He's done that in spades and kicked ass.

All the talk about Perry coming back, jeez, talk about "Don't Stop Believing". Give it up people...

It's pretty freakin' clear that Arnel is the singer of choice for Neal at this point. He's done nothing but stand by the guy, and rightfully so.

Someone posted "Now that Neal knows Perry can sing" or something.... um, based on what??? Rumors, press releases, and people that are working for Perry. Like they're going to say "well, he's still burnt". Perry can sing, but at the range he did before 94? Time will tell, but I would be amazed if that were true (and more than happy).

Journey has toured the world the past two years. They've had killer reviews pretty much everywhere they went and they've done it all without Perry's ego getting in the way. Do you really think Neal gives a rat's ass about Perry these days? Especially when they just sing the songs that Perry wrote into infinity and still make dough off it?
Arnel costs less. Is a great singer and has more shelf life vocal-wise than Perry at their respective ages. He's doing a decent job for the band. The other thing is that the record buying public has moved on from Journey. They are strictly a touring act these days. Doesn't mean tribute act, means touring act. If Perry came back, he would NOT want to tour.[bIf they were smart, they'd do ONE SHOW with Perry- print a buttload of DVDs and all walk off into the sunset.[b]

Personally, I want to hear what Journey and ARNEL do next. I also want solo Perry if it's NEW. Great- everybody wins. Why have one choice for good music when you could have two?

[b]to be honest, at the end of the day, if everyone is willing and able, I think that's what will happen. In the meantime, they are all doing what they want to do. As much of a loon as I am, and will defend Perry to the end, I don't think Neal would want Perry back now that they have Arnel and are successful (whatever definition you may pin on the word success). Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.[b]

[brywool]

to be honest, at the end of the day, if everyone is willing and able, I think that's what will happen. In the meantime, they are all doing what they want to do. As much of a loon as I am, and will defend Perry to the end, I don't think Neal would want Perry back now that they have Arnel and are successful (whatever definition you may pin on the word success). Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

exactly. They're successful at what they're doing. If they weren't they wouldn't be on TV, wouldn't be touring the world, etc. Yup, a lot of it is based on Perry's contribution from 50 years ago. So what? They're carrying on and everybody has a shot to do something great with their careers 25 years after their careers shoulda been over. Perry can ride the current Journey success as well as the old. So can Journey. Everybody wins. I really don't need to hear Perry sing the old Journey stuff again. I'd rather hear what's new. Hopefully it will be more exciting than FTLOSM.

[RocknRoll]

to be honest, at the end of the day, if everyone is willing and able, I think that's what will happen. In the meantime, they are all doing what they want to do. As much of a loon as I am, and will defend Perry to the end, I don't think Neal would want Perry back now that they have Arnel and are successful (whatever definition you may pin on the word success). Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

exactly. They're successful at what they're doing. If they weren't they wouldn't be on TV, wouldn't be touring the world, etc. Yup, a lot of it is based on Perry's contribution from 50 years ago. So what? They're carrying on and everybody has a shot to do something great with their careers 25 years after their careers shoulda been over. Perry can ride the current Journey success as well as the old. So can Journey. Everybody wins. I really don't need to hear Perry sing the old Journey stuff again. I'd rather hear what's new. Hopefully it will be more exciting than FTLOSM.

great posts bw!!! I did hear a rumor about Journey touring Asia and maybe SA in 2010. Strickly rumor though.

I agree with Dean and Jana, probably not the best idea to take a year plus away from the limelight right now. Who knows what the music scene will be like in 2011?

[kgdjpubs]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?

[steveo777]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?[/quote]

There is a whole room full of nuts downstairs that would beg to differ with you. Some of us live an accurate reality and some of us don't.

[Michigan Girl]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?[/quote]

There is a whole room full of nuts downstairs that would beg to differ with you. Some of us live an accurate reality and some of us don't.

There's a whole room full of nuts here...and YOU are a Brazilian!!

[portland]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?[/quote]

There is a whole room full of nuts downstairs that would beg to differ with you. Some of us live an accurate reality and some of us don't.

There's a whole room full of nuts here...and YOU are a Brazilian!!

The biggest NUT in the BUNCH!

[steveo777]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?[/quote]

There is a whole room full of nuts downstairs that would beg to differ with you. Some of us live an accurate reality and some of us don't.

There's a whole room full of nuts here...and YOU are a Brazilian!!

The biggest NUT in the BUNCH!

Sometimes you fell like a nut....sometimes you don't
Everybody is crazy around here.

[journeyrock]

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

I don't think they sound any "worse" than when Perry toured tuned down in '94. Nobody at the shows seem to mind, so why not--especially if it saves your singer's voice. Had they done this a few years ago, Augeri wouldn't have shredded his voice.

Face it, it's as good as it is going to get. Even if Perry makes some miraculous comeback, you can't possibly think that if he tours that it wouldn't be tuned down also, right?!?[/quote]

There is a whole room full of nuts downstairs that would beg to differ with you. Some of us live an accurate reality and some of us don't.

There's a whole room full of nuts here...and YOU are a Brazilian!!

[perryswoman]

They will tour their ass s of until Arnels vocal chords are shredded. They said they were goin to take a break in 2005 and ended up playing that year lipping , and then start a tour in 2006 with a singer with no voice,i wouldnt bebeive a thing theys guys say ever

Well, one thing is for sure, they really protected Arnel's voice this year with what they did with down-tuning a half-step and the spacing of the tour. Here we are at the end of the tour, and the videos from Atlanta a few days ago show his voice sounding clear and strong.

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

Right on RD. That detuning does bug the shit out of me and taking a break when you have 1 foot in the grave is just nuts!

[perryswoman]

Hey I saw tour like crazy for Arnel's last year and then year after that tour one decent year with SMFP and they can all retire fat and happy and go the hell home!

[Eric]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

[portland]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

That is the kind of math that is used here often

[steveo777]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

That is the kind of math that is used here often

ummm-hmmmmm
Stephen Ray "Steve" Perry (born January 22,1949) is an American singer and songwriter best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Journey from 1978–1987 and 1995–1998.

Ross Lamont Valory (born February 2, 1949 in San Francisco, California) is Journey's noted bass player

Neal Joseph Schon (born February 27, 1954[1], on Tinker Air Force Base near Oklahoma City, Oklahoma[2]) is an American guitarist best known for his work with the band Journey. He is the only member to play on all of their recordings.


Just a reminder, half of em are old fuckers.

[portland]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

That is the kind of math that is used here often

ummm-hmmmmm
Stephen Ray "Steve" Perry (born January 22,1949) is an American singer and songwriter best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Journey from 1978–1987 and 1995–1998.

Just a reminder, half of em are old fuckers.

I meant the sales of Revelation

[steveo777]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

That is the kind of math that is used here often

ummm-hmmmmm
Stephen Ray "Steve" Perry (born January 22,1949) is an American singer and songwriter best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Journey from 1978–1987 and 1995–1998.

Just a reminder, half of em are old fuckers.

I meant the sales of Revelation

I wasn't done editing yet. I didn't just single out Perry.

[Don]

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

How old are they? Dean-O and Arnel are late 30's/early 40's? Schon and Cain are early-mid 50's? Dump Ross for a kid and you're 40!

That is the kind of math that is used here often

ummm-hmmmmm
Stephen Ray "Steve" Perry (born January 22,1949) is an American singer and songwriter best known as the lead vocalist of the rock band Journey from 1978–1987 and 1995–1998.

Ross Lamont Valory (born February 2, 1949 in San Francisco, California) is Journey's noted bass player

Neal Joseph Schon (born February 27, 1954[1], on Tinker Air Force Base near Oklahoma City, Oklahoma[2]) is an American guitarist best known for his work with the band Journey. He is the only member to play on all of their recordings.


Just a reminder, half of em are old fuckers.

Deen is 44.
Cain is 59.

[FishinMagician]

They will tour their ass s of until Arnels vocal chords are shredded. They said they were goin to take a break in 2005 and ended up playing that year lipping , and then start a tour in 2006 with a singer with no voice,i wouldnt bebeive a thing theys guys say ever

Well, one thing is for sure, they really protected Arnel's voice this year with what they did with down-tuning a half-step and the spacing of the tour. Here we are at the end of the tour, and the videos from Atlanta a few days ago show his voice sounding clear and strong.

Maybe so Jana, but the songs sound terrible tuned down. Sound slow and angry. No thank you. If Pineda heard himself on tape, he can't be pleased. He sounds bad, real bad, although not his fault.

Look, they're 60 yrs old. Tour the shit out of your band, get as many miles to the tank as possible. Why wait? Write the CD on the bus while on tour. Yeah, going away is a good thing if you are a present day juggernaut band, but Journey doesn't have many days left. Poor Ross can start collecting SSI next year.

The songs sound terrible on video to me downtuned, but I'm not so sure I'd mind that much live in person. It's just different.

I'll find out tommorow !

[perryswoman]

I have a GREAT idea. Let's just let them do what the wanna do cause they gonna do it anyway!!!!

[Andrew]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

[portland]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

That does not surprise me at all.....Neal has been quoted in 2008 saying FUCK him..soooo why would he want him back anyway...just retread the DD and tour on the songs the SMFP orignated..it's all good right

[steveo777]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

Even IF Steve came back it could never be like it was. Too many years have gone by.

[perryswoman]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

You know people say things when they are hurt and they were all hurt and were all asses and I can't help or hope to think that one day they will get passed that even if they don't do anything but one album. one concert and 1 dvd. At least they could end their careers on a positive note. It's also easy to be negative when things are going really well but Arnel is not going to be around forever. He'll go back to the Phillipines at some point and make tons of money on his own. These guys all know the fans want to see them reunite for one final time even for a short period and I ain't too old to still hope~

[Jubilee]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

Even IF Steve came back it could never be like it was. Too many years have gone by.

Exactly. Even if they had parted on the best of terms, it would be difficult to go back. There's no guarantee they would ever be able to re-capture the magic from their previous heyday. And let's face it, everybody is a little older and a little crankier now. I just don't want to imagine a bunch of "grumpy old men" in a room together mean-mugging each other and giving each other the stink-eye while their trying to write, rehearse and record beautiful music.

[perryswoman]

The only way Steve Perry would ever return is if the band changed management completely. I keep hearing how much no one in the band wants Steve back. All very negative still.

Even IF Steve came back it could never be like it was. Too many years have gone by.

Exactly. Even if they had parted on the best of terms, it would be difficult to go back. There's no guarantee they would ever be able to re-capture the magic from their previous heyday. And let's face it, everybody is a little older and a little crankier now. I just don't want to imagine a bunch of "grumpy old men" in a room together mean-mugging each other and giving each other the stink-eye while their trying to write, rehearse and record beautiful music.

You'd be very surprised what a large sum of money will do for the stink-eye. A very very large sum lol

[Don]

I wonder how bad Neal wants to have a big hit without the name Steve Perry attached to it. Even the Oprah show has nothing new being performed. Maybe the long lay off is to give them time to try to make a killer album and go for broke. For most folks, by 2011, their Oprah appearance and DVD release will be long forgotten. How many times can you roll out the Youtube story?
They need to be on the Tonight Show or Late Show and promote their next release like U2 did theirs. Of course the musical climate could be a lot different by then.

[Jubilee]

Exactly. Even if they had parted on the best of terms, it would be difficult to go back. There's no guarantee they would ever be able to re-capture the magic from their previous heyday. And let's face it, everybody is a little older and a little crankier now. I just don't want to imagine a bunch of "grumpy old men" in a room together mean-mugging each other and giving each other the stink-eye while their trying to write, rehearse and record beautiful music.

You'd be very surprised what a large sum of money will do for the stink-eye. A very very large sum lol

Oh, no. I fully understand the persuasive nature of the green-back. The problem is, I don't think either party needs it THAT badly. Journey is doing well enough with Arnel (and without Perry's diva/drama headaches) and Perry's doing whatever it is he's doing and living nicely off the work he's already done.