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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:56 pm

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perryswoman wrote:Well Jim all I can say is I would have given anything to have been with you guys and it was by far the best concert I have been to in all my year and the sound quality was unbelievable in little ole Columbia SC!!! I really just can not get over Greensboro sounding so crappy last week!!!!


That's the Greensboro Coliseum for you. I have NEVER seen a band that had good sound there. You can get good sound in War Memorial, but not the big building. The coliseum is better than it used to be before they remodeled it, but it's an old building with a bunch of echoes. The louder the volume, the worse the echoes get.


You are right about that!! Echoes all night and everything sounded drowned out!! Even Arnel and Neal which hardly ever happens. I saw them in Charlotte front row too and that was an excellent show as well but nothing touches that Columbia show by a mile sound wise!


I agree. During the Charlotte show, I caught Elliot lipping 5 or 6 times...it was EXTREMELY obvious too! :? Journey didn't have their best show that night either, and Jeff (understandably) forgot the lyrics a few times and was reading them onstage. :lol: I have to say though... Columbia's show was 10 times better, and I didn't catch Joe lipping one time! It's one of the best shows I've ever attended, and the sound was amazing. :D
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:01 pm

I looked at my ticket stubs I saw Journey with Steve A on July 3rd in Hershey Pa,he sang pretty much live and was struggling but did an okay job.i had 2nd row.I heard about the bus accident in NC thanks to this site,then saw Journey with JSS on July 7 th. that was his first show, he did fine considering the circumstances. I was really dissapointed about the whole thing.It didnt have to go down that way. Ill never respect this band for what they did toSteve A and Jeff.History repeats itself.They are not the band I really got into again in 2002.it is a money machine now
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:05 pm

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Arkansas wrote:I still want to see video of the night that SA began the show and then bowed out, causing DC to sing lead. Wasn't that the story of Augeri leaving the stage? Didn't I read that's how it happened?

Someting like, after the first song or two, SA walked back to DC and said, "I just can't do this any more", and walked off?

Anyone? Bueller?


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well, I was the one who wrote the review, which got chopped up and cut-and-pasted everywhere. I think I still have the original review somewhere, but without digging that out, here's the rough version....Basically, Augeri hit the stage with massive vocal problems, and after a few songs without improvement, had to go offstage and Deen sang a few. Then, Augeri came back, tried a bit, left again (if memory serves), then finally came back and stayed. His voice was really gone, but was slowly improving throughout the show. There was a clip of Don't Stop Believin', which was about 2/3 to 3/4 through the set, that got posted on youtube at some point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pdgctX2l0. Remember, this was the GOOD part. The bad part was much before this, and his voice was improving song by song. It got a bit better than this by the end. There's a Jones Beach, NY bootleg from a few days before--and Augeri's voice was near that level by the last song. Still, he was in no shape to do that tour.

Augeri never said anything about "I can't do this anymore" or anything of the sort. His only comment was roughly "you might have noticed I haven't been myself tonight, and thanks to Deen for saving the day".


From whatever was chopped-up in the aftermath review, I thought it was said that Deen finished the show as lead vocal. I thought it was from front/center stage, but that begs the question of 'who played drums?'. But still, a piece of whatever was written was that Deen said "No I cant do this. Are you sure?" in response to Augeri leaving the show. And then the review's implication was that Deen sang lead from then on out.

Please forgive me for all the potential mis-information, but I've always been interested in video of that show an the way it went down. No offense to the band and fans, et al, just curious.


later~



Here's the full review (minus the Def Leppard portion which nobody here cares about). The chopped-up portion simply skipped the intro, which--to me--changes the reaction of the show completely.
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Note: This is approaching the length of an epitaph. Condensing it much more would be a crime however, as the full story needs to be told.


Journey & Def Leppard – Raleigh, NC – July 4, 2006

Simply put, this show is why I go to live concerts. For me, the sign of a good concert is some lasting memory that stays in your mind long after the night is over—something that the people who saw the show before you didn’t see, and neither will the people after you. Sometimes, magic can be made for those lucky enough to witness it. I don’t know if anyone really realized at it at the time, but Journey history was made in Raleigh, North Carolina tonight.

A little background before I get to tonight’s show and what it very special… I have seen quite a few Journey concerts with Steve Augeri singing, starting with the first tour in 1998, and basically every time they came around NC since then. Counting tonight, it is roughly the 7th show I have seen them perform. In that path, there have been a lot of highs---such as the first time the new lineup played in NC in the fall of 1998 after hearing the shock and astonishment that Perry was not with Journey anymore and the complaints of people who didn’t know before they arrived at the concert, then watching everyone’s jaws drop listening to the soundcheck when Augeri nailed Separate Ways. There was also maybe a random low when the audience for the 9-11 benefit in Atlanta Georgia in November 2001 totally misunderstood the lyrics and meaning behind the song “World Gone Wild”. Needless to say, the song was dropped for the 2nd benefit show in Texas a few days later. There were plenty of fun moments also, such as the 1999 show in Charlotte where Augeri was running and jumping on the speakers near the end of the show, and almost fell off one into the audience. Through all the shows, I have watched Steve Augeri grow as a frontman for the band and have seen the progress made through every show. I have seen shows where he was ON and sounded absolutely incredible, and the rare show where he struggled a bit. Nothing would compare to tonight however.

For tonight’s show, I managed to score front row seats. That in itself is usually a very rare thing. Tonight, it made all the difference in the world, because I could see what was happening on stage—and on the wings on the stage that are generally hidden from view.

Over the last month or two, Journey has come under a great deal of debate that has been played out in a large part on the melodicrock.com noticeboard. For a refresher—if anyone really needs one—the claims stem from the European festival shows at the beginning of June and accuse Steve Augeri of overdubbing his vocals with a pre-recorded tape. I’ve stayed out of the arguments simply because I was not at those shows. Everything that I had seen had live lead vocals with no backing tape. That, I was convinced of. The show tonight in Raleigh should lay to rest the remainder of the doubts.

For any doubters out there, the show in Raleigh was LIVE. There are roughly about 30,000 other people who were in attendance who would back up my claims. If there was ever a show where a backing tape for the lead vocals was needed, this was the show. If there was a backing tape in existence, it would have been heard tonight. It wasn’t. Steve Augeri was better for it. Journey was better for it. The people in attendance tonight got something they weren’t planning on as a result.


THE CONCERT…

For anyone that has been in North Carolina in the summer knows the weather is not the best. Temperatures today were around 90 degrees Fahrenheit with over 70% humidity. Welcome to the south. By the time the concert started, the weather had not improved, and dark clouds beckoned on the horizon. Fortunately, they never came to visit.



JOURNEY

Journey hit the stage first with Faith in the Heartland and it was immediately clear that something was wrong. Augeri showed up in Raleigh---his voice did not. To say he was having a difficult time would be putting it mildly. He was struggling. The extent would not be totally realized for a few songs though. Explanations would come later, but there was a problem.
Be Good To Yourself started and the after the first line of the song, Augeri signaled to Deen Castronovo to take over and Augeri went backstage. I have heard Deen sing a few times, and he was on tonight. Augeri returned after a little while and he and Deen went back and forth on lead vocals for the remainder of the song while Augeri tried to coax his voice into action.
Ask the Lonely came next and was somewhat of a breather with it’s lower-pitched vocal. Augeri did better on this song, but he was still having major problems. Throughout the song, Deen supplied backup and occasionally doubled Augeri’s voice. Only the Young came next with Deen singing lead. It didn’t look as if it was planned for Deen to sing on this, but after the problems Augeri was having, it wasn’t a surprise. Journey has been changing the songs Deen would sing in a show, so anything is possible. Augeri needed a breather anyway.
As the song ended, Neal Schon started up his guitar solo. With his choice of playing the Star Spangled Banner at concerts over the past few years, it wasn’t hard to guess what was coming. Tonight’s version was inspired with Ross Vallory and Deen giving the “we’re not worthy” bows towards the end. Stone in Love was next and Steve Augeri was back, but Deen took over shortly in to the song singing the majority of the lead vocals from there on. Wheel in the Sky followed, and Augeri took the lead in this, but Deen was still doing a lot of doubling parts and singing the high parts leaving Augeri for the lower notes.
By now, everyone was fully aware there was something serious going on, but the show continued. Lights was next, and Augeri signaled for Deen. They went back and forth on lead vocals throughout the song. Near the end of the song, Augeri went back to the drums, signaled to Deen and the two of them went offstage. It was plainly obvious there was a problem. Augeri’s voice was not getting any better and he was really struggling. You could feel the tension in the air. Augeri said something and Deen’s reaction had to be seen to believed. Basically, it was “you have got to be kidding me!”. What was said would be revealed very soon. Augeri disappeared into the wings of the stage and the stage was set.
For anyone who is not aware, Deen Castronovo has been doing lead vocals for several years now, but had always been behind the drum seat, playing the drums and singing. Tonight, that changed. A drum tech came out and got in the drummers seat and Deen made his way out to the front of the stage as Open Arms had started. Open Arms isn’t a very drum-intensive song, and there are no drums until the end of the song. Ross Vallory was near the drum kit trying to help the new guy on drums as Deen was out front with just a microphone singing the song. Anyone could tell that Deen was extremely nervous being alone out front, but the crowd loved it. The applause at the end was geniune.
Every Generation started up next, and Augeri was back, this time with guitar in tow. Jonathan Cain took lead vocals, and Augeri did some backup on the chorus. Chain Reaction followed with Augeri singing lead, but he was still having problems. He was giving his all, but the voice just wasn’t there. His voice was improved from the start of the show, but he was still struggling.
As the song ended, Augeri addressed the crowd and informed them of the situation that was occurring on stage. What follows isn’t exactly verbatim, but was written down immediately after he said it, so it is VERY close. “You might have noticed I haven’t been myself. I’ve been a little under the weather lately, so here comes Deen Castronovo to save the day. Give him a lot of love”. That was the intro to Faithfully, and once again, Deen was center stage, and the tech was on the drums. Deen was less nervous this time, trying to get the audience to sing, but still far from comfortable. Ross was at the drums once again helping the tech through the song.
Don’t Stop Believin’ was next and Augeri was back once again. His voice had improved, but he was still signaling for Deen to take the high parts. Separate Ways followed and Augeri’s voice was on the rebound. He was far from perfect, but was still giving 110%. He would nail one note, then his voice would die on the next, but he didn’t give up. Any Way You Want It was next, and the voice continued to improve. Deen continued helping, but Augeri’s voice was finally starting to come around. By this point, he was hitting about 70-80% of the high notes. Early in the show would have been maybe 15-20%. Lovin, Touchin, Squeezin closed the show out with Augeri finally in command.
As the band left the stage, Augeri and Deen embraced for probably the 5th time that night. It was obvious how much Augeri appreciated it. Without Deen being able to sing lead vocals, everyone knew the concert probably would have been cancelled. Augeri knew that better than anyone else.
They say that heroes arise in the time of need. Journey encountered that tonight, and Deen Castronovo stepped up. If there was ever a case for Journey to need a backing tape for Augeri, tonight was the case. There was no backing tape used, and everyone was better for the result.
I don’t know what will happen for the rest of the tour. Journey has a major problem if Augeri has another night like this one, but for those in the right time and place, they saw history being made. Tonight’s show wasn’t what anyone was expecting, but I’ll take this over a pre-recorded experience any day. After seeing the reaction of the crowd when Deen finished Open Arms at center stage, I don’t think I’m alone in that thought.

Setlist…
Faith in the Heartland
Be Good To Yourself (Steve & Deen)
Ask the Lonely (Deen on backup)
Guitar Solo (Star Spangled Banner)
Stone in Love (Steve and Deen)
Wheel in the Sky (Deen on a lot of backing vocals)
Lights (Steve and Deen)
Open Arms (Deen)
Every Generation
Chain Reaction
Faithfully (Deen)
Don’t Stop Believin’ (Deen on high notes)
Separate Ways
Any Way You Want It
Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’
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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby perryswoman » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:09 pm

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perryswoman wrote:Well Jim all I can say is I would have given anything to have been with you guys and it was by far the best concert I have been to in all my year and the sound quality was unbelievable in little ole Columbia SC!!! I really just can not get over Greensboro sounding so crappy last week!!!!


That's the Greensboro Coliseum for you. I have NEVER seen a band that had good sound there. You can get good sound in War Memorial, but not the big building. The coliseum is better than it used to be before they remodeled it, but it's an old building with a bunch of echoes. The louder the volume, the worse the echoes get.


You are right about that!! Echoes all night and everything sounded drowned out!! Even Arnel and Neal which hardly ever happens. I saw them in Charlotte front row too and that was an excellent show as well but nothing touches that Columbia show by a mile sound wise!


I agree. During the Charlotte show, I caught Elliot lipping 5 or 6 times...it was EXTREMELY obvious too! :? Journey didn't have their best show that night either, and Jeff (understandably) forgot the lyrics a few times and was reading them onstage. :lol: I have to say though... Columbia's show was 10 times better, and I didn't catch Joe lipping one time! It's one of the best shows I've ever attended, and the sound was amazing. :D


Well thanks for confirming that Jim as I knew I wasn't crazy!! I've been to show big cities in like New York and when I tell people that was the best concert I ever attented they think I'm alittle crazy since it was in Columbia~ :D
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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:17 pm

perryswoman wrote:
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perryswoman wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
perryswoman wrote:Well Jim all I can say is I would have given anything to have been with you guys and it was by far the best concert I have been to in all my year and the sound quality was unbelievable in little ole Columbia SC!!! I really just can not get over Greensboro sounding so crappy last week!!!!


That's the Greensboro Coliseum for you. I have NEVER seen a band that had good sound there. You can get good sound in War Memorial, but not the big building. The coliseum is better than it used to be before they remodeled it, but it's an old building with a bunch of echoes. The louder the volume, the worse the echoes get.


You are right about that!! Echoes all night and everything sounded drowned out!! Even Arnel and Neal which hardly ever happens. I saw them in Charlotte front row too and that was an excellent show as well but nothing touches that Columbia show by a mile sound wise!


I agree. During the Charlotte show, I caught Elliot lipping 5 or 6 times...it was EXTREMELY obvious too! :? Journey didn't have their best show that night either, and Jeff (understandably) forgot the lyrics a few times and was reading them onstage. :lol: I have to say though... Columbia's show was 10 times better, and I didn't catch Joe lipping one time! It's one of the best shows I've ever attended, and the sound was amazing. :D


Well thanks for confirming that Jim as I knew I wasn't crazy!! I've been to show big cities in like New York and when I tell people that was the best concert I ever attented they think I'm alittle crazy since it was in Columbia~ :D


Well now I'm wishing I had gone. I was never the biggest proponent of JSS in Journey (even though I like his solo work a lot), but the only live show I ever saw with him was Charlotte. By Columbia, they had gelled a bit--Charlotte was definitely a bit rough around the edges.
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Postby Jeremey » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:18 pm

The Columbia show was quite awesome. Both Journey and Def Leppard kicked ass that night.
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Postby perryswoman » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:20 pm

Jeremey wrote:The Columbia show was quite awesome. Both Journey and Def Leppard kicked ass that night.


Yes they did! As a matter of fact I don't think 1 was better than the other!! They were both outstanding!
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:21 pm

Jeremey wrote:The Columbia show was quite awesome. Both Journey and Def Leppard kicked ass that night.


Well that is a good thing. Both 2006 shows I saw (Raleigh and Charlotte), Def Leppard were pretty flat. I've seen them do very good concerts before, but both of those shows were very much going through the motions.
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:22 pm

That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers
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Postby perryswoman » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:24 pm

kgdjpubs wrote:
Jeremey wrote:The Columbia show was quite awesome. Both Journey and Def Leppard kicked ass that night.


Well that is a good thing. Both 2006 shows I saw (Raleigh and Charlotte), Def Leppard were pretty flat. I've seen them do very good concerts before, but both of those shows were very much going through the motions.


No they were definitely not flat and Love Bites was freakin jaw dropping.

While I am watching this awesome boot, I am noticing Neal looks very happy and excited. I guess because he did not have to worry about the tape skipping! :shock:
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Postby WykkedSensation » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:08 pm

stevew2 wrote:That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers



Indeed.
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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:37 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Also had to add that I thought it was funny also about Journey management trying to stop Jeremey from playing and recording Journey songs (years ago), :lol:

Really?!?!? :wink:
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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby stevew2 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:30 am

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G.I.Jim wrote:Also had to add that I thought it was funny also about Journey management trying to stop Jeremey from playing and recording Journey songs (years ago), :lol:

Really?!?!? :wink:
Yep They had a thing about live vocals back then
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Postby kgdjpubs » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:22 am

WykkedSensation wrote:
stevew2 wrote:That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers



Indeed.


That's my thought also. I could have possibly seen going ahead with some of the others, but that clip doesn't come close to showing how Augeri sounded on the first few songs. Raleigh should have been cancelled. They had to know what condition his voice was in at the soundcheck that afternoon.
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Re: When Was JSS First Concert With Journey?

Postby Ratgirl » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:28 am

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kgdjpubs wrote:amazing what you can find on the internet...


7/7/2006 Nissan Pavilion Bristow, VA (JSS 1st show)
7/8/2006 Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Virginia Beach, VA
7/10/2006 Sound Advice Amphitheatre West Palm Beach, FL
7/11/2006 Ford Amphitheatre Tampa, FL
7/13/2006 Chastain Park Amphitheatre Atlanta, GA.
7/15/2006 Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Charlotte, NC
7/16/2006 Starwood Amphitheatre Nashville, TN
then they go off west

2nd half of tour...
11/2/2006 Colonial Center Columbia, SC

more available from http://www.schonmusic.com/articledetail-frame.asp/ID_58


Well DAMN... my memory sucks! :shock: :lol: I could have sworn that the Charlotte show was his 2nd or 3rd show. I guess that's what happens when you drink too much beer! :lol:


We were at the two FL shows and the NC show..
Jeff did a stellar job.. what can I say? He had to make some sort of impact, I drove 8 hrs after the FL shows to see them again. :shock: :lol:
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:29 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
WykkedSensation wrote:
stevew2 wrote:That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers



Indeed.


That's my thought also. I could have possibly seen going ahead with some of the others, but that clip doesn't come close to showing how Augeri sounded on the first few songs. Raleigh should have been cancelled. They had to know what condition his voice was in at the soundcheck that afternoon.
He just got by in Hershey a few nights before.He was drinkin all kinds of shit and using some kind of inhaler through out the night. They knew it was going to happen and didnt give a shit, as long as they got paid and didnt have to cancell the show.What a fucking bucn of clowns. They paid for it next year, they didnt have a singer Boo fuckin hoo
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Postby kgdjpubs » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:38 am

stevew2 wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
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stevew2 wrote:That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers



Indeed.


That's my thought also. I could have possibly seen going ahead with some of the others, but that clip doesn't come close to showing how Augeri sounded on the first few songs. Raleigh should have been cancelled. They had to know what condition his voice was in at the soundcheck that afternoon.
He just got by in Hershey a few nights before.He was drinkin all kinds of shit and using some kind of inhaler through out the night. They knew it was going to happen and didnt give a shit, as long as they got paid and didnt have to cancell the show.What a fucking bucn of clowns. They paid for it next year, they didnt have a singer Boo fuckin hoo


There's a bootleg from Jones Beach, which was a couple of shows before Hershey. Just from listening to that, there was no way he was going to last through the tour. He was very raw at that point. My guess is they were trying to figure out who could take over, and hoping Augeri's voice didn't totally give out before that. I've heard something that Chalfant was asked first, and declined on the very short notice, and that JSS was--probably--option #2. I'm not sure what they would have done if he was busy. There's not many people who can sing that catalogue, and fewer who can agree for a tour with a few days notice.

I can't possibly believe that nothing was done until the Raleigh show, where Augeri's voice finally broke down completely.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:47 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
WykkedSensation wrote:
stevew2 wrote:That was a disgracefull way for a band to go out,and they let it happen. What a shitty band .They knew his voice was gone yet they went ahead and did it anyway.losers



Indeed.


That's my thought also. I could have possibly seen going ahead with some of the others, but that clip doesn't come close to showing how Augeri sounded on the first few songs. Raleigh should have been cancelled. They had to know what condition his voice was in at the soundcheck that afternoon.
He just got by in Hershey a few nights before.He was drinkin all kinds of shit and using some kind of inhaler through out the night. They knew it was going to happen and didnt give a shit, as long as they got paid and didnt have to cancell the show.What a fucking bucn of clowns. They paid for it next year, they didnt have a singer Boo fuckin hoo


There's a bootleg from Jones Beach, which was a couple of shows before Hershey. Just from listening to that, there was no way he was going to last through the tour. He was very raw at that point. My guess is they were trying to figure out who could take over, and hoping Augeri's voice didn't totally give out before that. I've heard something that Chalfant was asked first, and declined on the very short notice, and that JSS was--probably--option #2. I'm not sure what they would have done if he was busy. There's not many people who can sing that catalogue, and fewer who can agree for a tour with a few days notice.

I can't possibly believe that nothing was done until the Raleigh show, where Augeri's voice finally broke down completely.
I got that bootleg to. I saw them in Camden NJ and Scanton PA the week beforeboth time he was struggling especially Scanton, there a rainstorm right before the concert.He sounded better in Hershey though. Neal and Friga woulndnt even look at him, and Friga looked like he swallowed 10 dicks the whole time no emotion. They figured at the beginning of the tour they could get by with tapes again, till they got caught with their pants down. Good for them, fuckers took my money the year before using fucking tapes.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:18 am

kgdjpubs wrote:I've heard something that Chalfant was asked first, and declined on the very short notice, and that JSS was--probably--option #2.


For what it's worth, Chalfant has denied this.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:49 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:I've heard something that Chalfant was asked first, and declined on the very short notice, and that JSS was--probably--option #2.


For what it's worth, Chalfant has denied this.



maybe. I still figure he would have been on the very short list however. There are not many options available at that point. JSS, Chalfant, Terry Brock, John West, maybe Hugo as an outside. Not many coming to mind here.
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Postby Rick » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:55 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
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kgdjpubs wrote:I've heard something that Chalfant was asked first, and declined on the very short notice, and that JSS was--probably--option #2.


For what it's worth, Chalfant has denied this.



maybe. I still figure he would have been on the very short list however. There are not many options available at that point. JSS, Chalfant, Terry Brock, John West, maybe Hugo as an outside. Not many coming to mind here.


If Kelty was in the right place at the right time, and allowed himself to do secular music at that point, he would have been a definite option.
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