jrny film- dsb

[steveo777]

Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Precisely.

This is an "Arnel rags to riches story." They are getting plenty of mileage out of that train, so why not try and keep it rollin'? Arnel had nothing whatsoever to do with DSB so I find the title pretty transparent. This is all about making $$$. Nothing shocking or surprising about that. Money is the motivator for many people, and if integrity gets tossed under that same train in the process.....whatever.

I see no integrity issue with the use of this song, so we shouldn't be going there with this. It's a Journey song, not a song Perry has sole rights to. This really weighs in on people's beliefs and opinions more than it does an ethical or legal issue, ie., the loons vs. pinheads.

I said nothing about Steve Perry or legalities as neither have anything to do with this. Obviously it is a matter of one's beliefs & opinions and I just stated mine.

Well, at least we agree on that.

[Michigan Girl]

It's sorta like an ex-husband giving your wedding rings to his new wife...kinda YUK!!!
Cheap Bastard, trying to save/make a buck!!

True story, I saw it happen to REBA!!

[steveo777]

It's sorta like an ex-husband giving your wedding rings to his new wife...kinda YUK!!!
Cheap Bastard, trying to save/make a buck!!

True story, I saw it happen to REBA!!

Did she shit can the guy?
*she should have*

[whirlwind]

Everything is just too perfect for the guys not to take advantage of the situation. The luck of Neal finding Arnel on the net, the song being used for so many purpose's and why not give Arnel this chance since he is keeping the band touring. He has made a name for himself but............

The old timers will say that he made it by singing the songs that he had nothing to do with becoming hits and that he is cashing in on the fact that he DOES seem to mimic Perry. Hardcore Journey fans will be be pissed like never before and the Augeri fans will yell, WTF? The new Journey/Arnel fans will be in their glory and the song "Don't Stop Belivin" will be finally considered overkill, tainted and misused. It was never meant to be one persons song.
I hope that the movie tanks bigtime.

[Monker]

Love the idea. It's a Schon, Cain and Perry song, so if 2/3 of the song's creators are ok with it, then so am I.

There i$ only one rea$on that two-third$ of the $ong'$ creator$ are ok with u$ing "Don't $top Believin'" a$ the title.

Precisely.

This is an "Arnel rags to riches story." They are getting plenty of mileage out of that train, so why not try and keep it rollin'? Arnel had nothing whatsoever to do with DSB so I find the title pretty transparent. This is all about making $$$. Nothing shocking or surprising about that. Money is the motivator for many people, and if integrity gets tossed under that same train in the process.....whatever.

Funny....I had the same type of thoughts about DSB being in "Monster"...neither were done out of respect for the song, the motivation seems to have nothing to do with it.

[Lula]

from everything i've heard about arnel, he is true blue. i used to think the same of the other members in the band, but experience has changed that.

there is a time limit to exploiting arnel's story and i'd say time is running out since ellen and now oprah have told the story. was the purpose of the oprah show to pimp the film? is there distribution? straight to dvd? does anyone know?

[Gibby]

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind him at the celebration in Chicago. I know that it helped to $ell a few more downloads of D$B and the GH which helped $trengthen $P's bank account while he $it$ on his a$$. $our grape$ indeed.

The fact is they all should get whatever they can out of DSB - they wrote it. It's theirs to make money on however they see fit - they (the writers) deserve it. Such complete horseshit that Neal and Jon are cashing in on the title and somehow SP is beyond that sort of thing - at least they are working, touring, and making new music. The trio should cash in whenever they can - they have a right to cash in - it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

[Gibby]

The purpose of stars/bands on any talk show is to promote something.

[Michigan Girl]

- it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

Hmmm, interesting choice of words!!!

[steveo777]

from everything i've heard about arnel, he is true blue. i used to think the same of the other members in the band, but experience has changed that.

there is a time limit to exploiting arnel's story and i'd say time is running out since ellen and now oprah have told the story. was the purpose of the oprah show to pimp the film? is there distribution? straight to dvd? does anyone know?

I heard the producer is negotiating with HBO. I don't think this is going straight to DVD.

[Gibby]

I do agree the Arnel story does have a timeline - maybe this film is the last part of promoting his story.

[Since 78]

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind him at the celebration in Chicago. I know that it helped to $ell a few more downloads of D$B and the GH which helped $trengthen $P's bank account while he $it$ on his a$$. $our grape$ indeed.

The fact is they all should get whatever they can out of DSB - they wrote it. It's theirs to make money on however they see fit - they (the writers) deserve it. Such complete horseshit that Neal and Jon are cashing in on the title and somehow SP is beyond that sort of thing - at least they are working, touring, and making new music. The trio should cash in whenever they can - they have a right to cash in - it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

Nicely Stated. And for those that are sick of it. Don't watch it, Don't read about it. Simple.

[Michigan Girl]

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind !

And I don't have a problem w/the band singing it today, without Steve Perry in front of and Steve Smith behind them (except the retreads...YIKES) !!!
Somehow this argument FOR doesn't make sense!!

$our grape$ indeed.

This is just bullcrap!!

it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

and this just blew your whole argument, for me!! ooops....

[Arkansas]

I think any press is good press. Forgive the media - way back when - for the 'corporate rock' label, but this is all about business. This isn't a slam against Perry or America's concept of the band. This is about Arnel Pineda. This is a rags-to-riches story about a nobody Filipino to a national (Phillipines) treasure.

Let them have their due. It's a win-win for the band and for their native son. I don't see what the big mess is over this. This poor country has a guy that's made it big - good for them! Let them celebrate it!

We should celebrate it too. Good for AP, f'ing great for us!


later~

[annie89509]

Just curious .... isn't there an understanding in place that whenever any of their songs were to be used anywhere, all the songwriters must give approval? We've been told this is the case when their songs have appeared in any number of media outlets. Perhaps, this rule does not apply to movie titles?

[Monker]

Just curious .... isn't there an understanding in place that whenever any of their songs were to be used anywhere, all the songwriters must give approval? We've been told this is the case when their songs have appeared in any number of media outlets. Perhaps, this rule does not apply to movie titles?

It seems this 'rule' only applies if they use the original recording. Perhaps if they rerecord certtain hits then they will be able to use those in a movie.

[*Laura]

Arnel's story is a great subject for a movie and "Don't Stop Believin" is a perfect choice for the title. I think it's a double shot...One - because this expression, "don't stop believing", has become almost synonymous with "if you believe in your dreams, you're going to make them come true". Arnel's life changed because he joined a band that happens to have the perfect song to fit his story. I'm not surprised at all that DSB was picked for the title.

Then of course, DSB is a "new" hit and it reached a new generation of listeners, so no wonder that the band is taking advantage of that. It's their song and they make money with it. They have the right to use this song to illustrate anything related to what's happening to them...past or present.
The fact that the majority of the fans associate DSB with Journey's past with SP is a whole different story. That part of history is untouchable and IMO it has nothing to do with this movie.

[YoungJRNY]

Journey could do anything they want with their own material and ownings. They OWN that song. They've made that song the anchor to their name. They've played it to millions upon millions to the world, night after night. That's like you, a complete stranger, walking into someone's home and raising the opinion of them not taking care of their children right, or command to not brush their hair this way or make sure their in bed at 9 or you're a bad parent, kind of thing.

The Arnel story is, if anything, a great and inspirational move on Journey's behalf. The world loves to see this kind of 'based on a true story' film and I'm sure it will grab hearts all over the world and ultimately being a success, along with prepping up Journey's legend to go along with it. You can't blame them for putting this out there. It's a wonderful story that happens to only a few selected bunch in the world and it is truly amazing how everything came about for both Arnel and Journey. People all around the world can relate to this, and with the kind of world we live in, this film aside from rock and roll fans will embrace it and leave with a feel good tale.

As far as the business aspect is concerned, Journey has found new life with this man. This is an 80's rock band who's time is very well in the past, but with the addition of Arnel and his story, it gives both sides a reason to go on and spring up with popularity and respect throughout the rock world. This will let people know that rock bands of yesteryear is still here, and hey... we have such an amazing story to take with us on the road.

Personally, I'm selfish when it comes to Journey. The more, the better for me. GET IT DONE!

[Rockindeano]

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind him at the celebration in Chicago. I know that it helped to $ell a few more downloads of D$B and the GH which helped $trengthen $P's bank account while he $it$ on his a$$. $our grape$ indeed.

The fact is they all should get whatever they can out of DSB - they wrote it. It's theirs to make money on however they see fit - they (the writers) deserve it. Such complete horseshit that Neal and Jon are cashing in on the title and somehow SP is beyond that sort of thing - at least they are working, touring, and making new music. The trio should cash in whenever they can - they have a right to cash in - it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

No no and no.

What I think Lora is saying here, is you don't have to capitalize on every song every chance you get. Respect the legacy, the history, the magic. Let the song be heard, not sold.

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind him at the celebration in Chicago.

Lora never mentioned SP, but I will. Singing acapella in a celebration is not the same as selling out for a movie title.

Such complete horseshit that Neal and Jon are cashing in on the title and somehow SP is beyond that sort of thing

When SP gave his approval for the song to be played in the Sopranos finale, he did it with much thought and deliberation. He took some time, and asked how it would be used. He cares about the legacy and the history they created. Neal and Jon would sell the song rights to a urinal company if they could in 3 seconds. Yes, I think Perry is "beyond that" and I applaud him as the only guy in that triumvirate with some class and respect.

The trio should cash in whenever they can - they have a right to cash in - it's an American anthem for christ sakes!

No. Pick and choose your spots. Throwing a song to a movie is one thing. However, this song is special by all accounts. Naming a film about a new member of the band who had/has nothing to do with the magic nor the history of this once proud band and this song in question, is ridiculous. Pineda has done absolutely nothing to be included in anything where DSB is included, save for singing it nightly. Make a movie about the guy, call it whatever you want, but to try and associate him with the legacy and DSB is a stretch, or IMHO, a complete joke. When Pineda writes his first top 40 hit, let me know. Until then, keep this fucking circus hysteria to a minimum and remember who it was who made that fucking song what it is.

[Red13JoePa]

Hey if the 3rd singer can use it for baseball, a mafia show, and a movie about man-hating serial murderer, why not the other 2 co-writers use the song title for a story about an actual band member?

[Rockindeano]

Hey if the 3rd singer can use it for baseball, a mafia show, and a movie about man-hating serial murderer, why not the other 2 co-writers use the song title for a story about an actual band member?

Because his 1/3rd is more valuable than the other 2/3rds, that's why.

[Michigan Girl]

Without copying that entire rant...DEANO, PERFECTO!!!

Of course they can and will use it however they wish...we don't have to like it!!!:wink:

[*Laura]

remember who it was who made that fucking song what it is.

I love SP to death and without him we wouldn't be here talking about DSB or anything else for that matter, but to what you said above, I have an objection. I believe that Steve made that song what it is WITH the band behind him and in return the band can thank him for fronting them and making that song a gold mine.
DSB is big because the "5 elements" were together at the right time.

[Red13JoePa]

Hey if the 3rd singer can use it for baseball, a mafia show, and a movie about man-hating serial murderer, why not the other 2 co-writers use the song title for a story about an actual band member?

Because his 1/3rd is more valuable than the other 2/3rds, that's why.

Ah, thx for straightening that out for us then, Mini Lee Phillips.

[Rockindeano]

Hey if the 3rd singer can use it for baseball, a mafia show, and a movie about man-hating serial murderer, why not the other 2 co-writers use the song title for a story about an actual band member?

Because his 1/3rd is more valuable than the other 2/3rds, that's why.

Ah, thx for straightening that out for us then, Mini Lee Phillips.

I need to get my avatar guy on making a JoePa av with tears streaming down his wrinkled puss.

[Red13JoePa]

Just for clarity, do you OFFICIALLY work for Kinnison's "Togus" now, or still freelancing?

[Jana]

Hey if the 3rd singer can use it for baseball, a mafia show, and a movie about man-hating serial murderer, why not the other 2 co-writers use the song title for a story about an actual band member?

[bluejeangirl76]

$o it's ok for $P to jump on the D$B bandwagon when the White $ox used it for the world $erie$ and that he $ang it without the band behind him at the celebration in Chicago.

Lora never mentioned SP, but I will. Singing acapella in a celebration is not the same as selling out for a movie title.

No, it's not the same. That was an impromptu 30 second thing, supposed to be a random fun little thing for the players and the crowd. It's not as if it was planned or PAID. The probably said to him 10 minutes before, "Hey, it would be fun if you got up and sang with us for a minute" or something.

Such complete horseshit that Neal and Jon are cashing in on the title and somehow SP is beyond that sort of thing

When SP gave his approval for the song to be played in the Sopranos finale, he did it with much thought and deliberation. He took some time, and asked how it would be used. He cares about the legacy and the history they created. Neal and Jon would sell the song rights to a urinal company if they could in 3 seconds. Yes, I think Perry is "beyond that" and I applaud him as the only guy in that triumvirate with some class and respect.

Again, precisely.

Look... who is the "big name" here? Steve Perry. Who, of all those guys could have capitalized HUGE on the last 4 years of repeated DSB success? Steve Perry.

Who has not done that? He could have SO easily said "Sopranos finale? Really? Cha ching! Hell yeah, here you go, where do I sign?! And how do I get my ass on talk shows?! I'll go on Leno with the cast and sing it, sell more records... I can use this attention to promote MY shit!"

That's didn't happen. Come on, think about it... by many recent accounts, Steve has been creating, yes? So wouldn't all this recent attention on DSB be the perfect vehicle to carry whatever his upcoming stuff is? But no, you don't see that happen.

There is still milk left in the cow and the farmers aren't done, bottom line.

To quote another very famous songwriter:

Want your pot of gold
Need the Midas touch
Bet you sell your soul
Cuz your God is such
You don't care
You kill for the money
Do or dare
The thrill for the money

Now, granted... most people would go for the moneymaker, so it's not like they're doing anything "wrong" - I mean, their names are on it too... but there's no integrity. If it's Arnel's story, they should use something that ARNEL has been part of, not something that another guy made successful. But they NEED that Midas touch, and a title like "Never Walk Away" wouldn't $ELL, even though it's the same basic meaning - don't give up, don't walk away, don't stop believing, follow your dreams, blah blah blah.

[Don]

DSB fits this movie perfectly. The audience this film is intended for have been listening to covers their whole life, it won't matter to them whether the title song is an original composition written for Arnel or a 28 year old hit from another singer and era.
The Philippines has around 5 people with international recognition. Pacman, Lea Salonga, Imelda Marcos, Charice and Arnel.
Let the guy have his moment, he is is burning through his voice and has a short window to be iconified in his homeland. The majority of American and Japanese fans know that the song originated with a different singer, there's no attempt here to snow anyone over. I just heard DSB yesterday on the office radio. Everyone in the room knew that the singer was Steve Perry. No need to make it more than it is.

Perry is going to get paid a royalty for it's use along with any other Journey songs in the film that he co-wrote, unlike Pineda. As long as the writers of the music are properly compensated, I can't find an issue with any of it.

Having worked at Warner Music a while back, I can tell you from talking to these guys that once an artist has been recognized, his next biggest priority is monetary compensation. The Royalty department for any record company can attest to this. Songwriters monitor any type of usage of their songs like a hawk, they want every penny that is coming to them and completely understand how the system works.
Perry has the recognition already. As long as any financial aspects pertaining to his writing contributions are respected, it will all be good.

[bluejeangirl76]

I have to go with the majority here. DSB fits this movie perfectly. The audience this film is intended for have been listening to covers their whole life, it won't matter to them whether the title song is an original composition written for Arnel or a 28 year old hit from another singer and era.
The Philippines has around 5 people with international recognition. Pacman, Lea Salonga, Imelda Marcos, Charice and Arnel.
Let the guyl have his moment, he is is burning through his voice and has a short window to be iconified in his homeland. The majority of American and Japanese fans know that the song originated with a different singer, there's no attempt here to snow anyone over. I just heard DSB yesterday on the office radio. Everyone in the room knew that the singer was Steve Perry. No need to make it more than it is.

And Perry is still going to get paid a royalty for it's use along with any other Journey songs in the film that he co-wrote, unlike Pineda. As long as the writers of the music are properly compensated, I can't find an issue with any of it.

Well, yes, it may be fitting for the theme, but I don't think that's the point that some are trying to make. They can accomplish having a fitting title by other avenues. Using DSB in the title comes strictly from a marketing perspective, because it's their biggest song... everyone knows this song so it's all about recognition and draw, and not at all about what it really means or the history.

This might just be me, but personally, I believe in having some pride your art and not always just going for the dollars. I cringe every time I hear a commercial using The Who, because Pete keeps selling out. I can take one or two but everytime I turn around that guy has sold off another one. It just flattens the whole enjoyment of the art, in my opinion.