Neal Schon vs Hugo & Evolution tribute Band

[Triple S]

Neal isn't protecting Journey...he's fucking exploiting it.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! That douche Schon has been milking every fucking cent out of exploiting the name "Journey" as long as I can remember. That said, he is certainly more entitled to do this than that freak Hugo is. I don't get the sperm burpers in here who swoon over a guy who Perry should sue for trying to steal his identity. Having a reverence and respect for a singer like Perry should be applauded, but Hugo takes it to a creepy fucking level. Trying to dress exactly like a fucking guy and emulate his mannerisms is just plain fucking bizarre and the dude needs to join the rest of us back here on the planet Earth!

The thing is, dude...he (hugo) has been doing this for 15 years...when he was in Open skyz/valentine....I was convinced I was looking at perry. He's no different than a vito bratta (with respect to EVH) ....he looks/sounds alike...but it's not something he does intentionally...he's obviously inspired by him...but to attack Hugo for his schtick is not really knowing the guy...and just painting it as you see it from the limited distance.

Regardless, for Neal to call hugo a 'fraud' is like a thief complaining that another thief that got to the jewels first is breaking the law.

+1. And (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will ) - I'm pretty sure Hugo's not the only Journey tribute singer who has resorted to 'mimicry', as someone else said. I seem to recall seeing some of the other 'notable' tribute singers in the yellow leopard shirt, tails and wig at some point in the past. I don't see them getting crucified for being 'creepy'.

[*Laura]

the downstairs forum looks like tumbleweeds ..... ....

I don't why but this just made me laugh uncontrollably. I think this is all I can contribute with to this thread. lol




Okay, maybe this too:

[YoungJRNY]

Even before Perry, there was Journey

Right, and not 6 people knew who they were!

and there is a Journey after Perry.

Right, and not 10 people outside of MR.com have noticed!

Steve Perry fucked this band over when all said and done

You're a fucking idiot and as big of a douche as Neal is if you really believe this! Dude...open up your fucking eyes. You're not on this board talking about Journey, and Schon isn't rolling out a new "lead singer" every 20 minutes without Perry, and he certainly isn't making half the fucking money he's made in his life, without Perry, so save the "Perry fucked this band over" BULLSHIT! Perry is THE REASON that Schon, Cain, Valory, Castronovo, and Pineda continue to make a living off the name "Journey", period, end of story!

R-E-A-L-L-Y.. I could give a shit less. I love Journey music and I'm content on them continuing and going to concerts and having a BLAST, so I thank Neal, and Pineda for accepting the gig to keep the ship upright so I could enjoy the last years of my ALL TIME favorite band.

Perry, in my eyes, is as big as a DICK as you claim Neal Schon to be, but I could care less what happened internally, whatever happened, happened. Point of the matter is, both sides win. Neal has a touring machine, and STILL putting out quality music without the God that is Steve Perry, and Perry is sitting at home on his ASS collecting checks off of his legacy, not having to endure the rigors of the road. Last time I checked, Journey has done well, and is still on the map, regardless of how much money Perry made them back in their hay day! Plus, they are continuing to build the fan base with the additions of Augeri, and Arnel. Neal & Cain deserves as much credit as Perry did for their legend, since it took ALL 5 members that made up Journey at the time to keep this machine full circle. With Perry sitting and eating his boogers the last 12 years, I think Neal is returning the favor and making Perry money off of his actions on stage with JOURNEY!

As I've said, I could give 2 shits. As long as Journey is up and running, and keeps making new music, I'm all for it and will continue to buy their music and jam out at their concerts. That's what I think it's all about.

[JasonD]

+1

I think we need a "Travis Talk" to go along with "Frank Talk." .... I'm just saying.

[Chubby321]

I don't think Wombat is that short-minded, or else, this forum will not be successful. I can say my piece without uttering a single F word. If that is not a sign of a respectful discourse, I dont' know what is.

Saying or not saying shit or fuck is not the issue....it's how you use the words that matter. Therefore, you can use other words the same way and still project lack of respect.

Personally, Its hard to respect anyone that doesn't respect the history of this band....but that's just me.

You are talking about respect? Are you kidding me?

strangegrey + respect? = LMAO.

[Michigan Girl]

OMG--- I can't believe some of you are still busting a vein over this. I don't have anything against the man personally, but dude hasn't done anything in eons worth arguing about & the fact that the downstairs forum looks like tumbleweeds ..... .... only serves to support my argument.

When Perry releases his new CD & *IF* it blows away the competition, I'll gladly give the man praise where praise is due. Till then, hats off to Schon for keeping the Journey empire booming.

You need a new line yourself!!! The tumbleweeds are getting old!!!

[JasonD]

OMG--- I can't believe some of you are still busting a vein over this. I don't have anything against the man personally, but dude hasn't done anything in eons worth arguing about & the fact that the downstairs forum looks like tumbleweeds ..... .... only serves to support my argument.

When Perry releases his new CD & *IF* it blows away the competition, I'll gladly give the man praise where praise is due. Till then, hats off to Schon for keeping the Journey empire booming.

You need a new line yourself!!! The tumbleweeds are getting old!!!

A new line? Okay. How about, "I am LMAO"?

[Michigan Girl]

OMG--- I can't believe some of you are still busting a vein over this. I don't have anything against the man personally, but dude hasn't done anything in eons worth arguing about & the fact that the downstairs forum looks like tumbleweeds ..... .... only serves to support my argument.

When Perry releases his new CD & *IF* it blows away the competition, I'll gladly give the man praise where praise is due. Till then, hats off to Schon for keeping the Journey empire booming.

You need a new line yourself!!! The tumbleweeds are getting old!!!

A new line? Okay. How about, "I am LMAO"?

Yeah, that's waaaaayyyy better than this ^^^^^!!!

Oh and it's something new to argue about!!

BTW~ Bon Jovi....Ghost Town and not because they don't have fans!!!

[Michigan Girl]

Even before Perry, there was Journey

Right, and not 6 people knew who they were!

and there is a Journey after Perry.

Right, and not 10 people outside of MR.com have noticed!

Steve Perry fucked this band over when all said and done

You're a fucking idiot and as big of a douche as Neal is if you really believe this! Dude...open up your fucking eyes. You're not on this board talking about Journey, and Schon isn't rolling out a new "lead singer" every 20 minutes without Perry, and he certainly isn't making half the fucking money he's made in his life, without Perry, so save the "Perry fucked this band over" BULLSHIT! Perry is THE REASON that Schon, Cain, Valory, Castronovo, and Pineda continue to make a living off the name "Journey", period, end of story!

This is true, but, John...you are so funny!!!!

[strangegrey]

You are talking about respect? Are you kidding me?

strangegrey + respect? = LMAO.

You're missing something about me, shit for brains. I dish it out as I'm given. There are *plenty* of people here with whom I disagree significantly...but I respect them. Why? Because they show me that they're invested in their opinion enough to measure it's worth against the others.

You obviously tried to take a below the belt swipe at me with respect to my employment status, without researching the fact that I found a job months ago...however, while unemployed, I made enough money to pay the mortgage, put food on the table and pay the bills. You did something very characteristic of your type. You tried to smeer me because you couldn't support your own arguments on point. You were a race baiter in the past, and your tactics are no different now....only the method with which you try to smear.

You're not a fan of Journey and this isnt about the music to you. You've made that abundantly clear. This is about propelling up your pinoy singer and rubbing the faces of other fans in it. You may call it "Pinoy Pride" but to do so is an abomination....it's more like offensive arrogance. If I were a country mate of yours, I'd be embarassed watching you spew your arrogance around here, while giving my country folk a bad name.

This is why you've got a handful of people squaring off against you in this thread. You're making arguments that don't hold water and when you can't shoulder them, you make underhanded comments to square off your position.

No one respects that....

[Chubby321]

You are talking about respect? Are you kidding me?

strangegrey + respect? = LMAO.

You're missing something about me, shit for brains. I dish it out as I'm given. There are *plenty* of people here with whom I disagree significantly...but I respect them. Why? Because they show me that they're invested in their opinion enough to measure it's worth against the others.

You obviously tried to take a below the belt swipe at me with respect to my employment status, without researching the fact that I found a job months ago...however, while unemployed, I made enough money to pay the mortgage, put food on the table and pay the bills. You did something very characteristic of your type. You tried to smeer me because you couldn't support your own arguments on point. You were a race baiter in the past, and your tactics are no different now....only the method with which you try to smear.

You're not a fan of Journey and this isnt about the music to you. You've made that abundantly clear. This is about propelling up your pinoy singer and rubbing the faces of other fans in it. You may call it "Pinoy Pride" but to do so is an abomination....it's more like offensive arrogance. If I were a country mate of yours, I'd be embarassed watching you spew your arrogance around here, while giving my country folk a bad name.

This is why you've got a handful of people squaring off against you in this thread. You're making arguments that don't hold water and when you can't shoulder them, you make underhanded comments to square off your position.

No one respects that....

All the other stuff you just posted don't bother me .......but i never knew you were unemployed....for that i apologize. My post was meant in general terms because I don't know if you're a business owner. Now I understand what Gunbot meant.

[strangegrey]

.......but i never knew you were unemployed....for that i apologize. My post was meant in general terms because I don't know if you're a business owner. Now I understand what Gunbot meant.

And what if I were still unemployed?? It doesn't change your motives...you were looking to take a few below the belt swipes with the knife, because your above the belt hits weren't meeting their target. Therefore my point regarding respect still stands.

[steveo777]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

[Michigan Girl]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

THIS^^^^^^is one HELL of a post!!!

[steveperryfan]

Neal isn't protecting Journey...he's fucking exploiting it.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! That douche Schon has been milking every fucking cent out of exploiting the name "Journey" as long as I can remember. That said, he is certainly more entitled to do this than that freak Hugo is. I don't get the sperm burpers in here who swoon over a guy who Perry should sue for trying to steal his identity. Having a reverence and respect for a singer like Perry should be applauded, but Hugo takes it to a creepy fucking level. Trying to dress exactly like a fucking guy and emulate his mannerisms is just plain fucking bizarre and the dude needs to join the rest of us back here on the planet Earth!

The thing is, dude...he (hugo) has been doing this for 15 years...when he was in Open skyz/valentine....I was convinced I was looking at perry. He's no different than a vito bratta (with respect to EVH) ....he looks/sounds alike...but it's not something he does intentionally...he's obviously inspired by him...but to attack Hugo for his schtick is not really knowing the guy...and just painting it as you see it from the limited distance.

Regardless, for Neal to call hugo a 'fraud' is like a thief complaining that another thief that got to the jewels first is breaking the law.

+1. And (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will ) - I'm pretty sure Hugo's not the only Journey tribute singer who has resorted to 'mimicry', as someone else said. I seem to recall seeing some of the other 'notable' tribute singers in the yellow leopard shirt, tails and wig at some point in the past. I don't see them getting crucified for being 'creepy'.

Les here from evolution again ------ it is truethere are so many other singer who mimic .. still why us does he have it out for us .... look at our website we are doing nothing wrong ,, he is not telling the truth obout our posters they do say tribute in bold print ,, the hugo poster was not evolution that was a promoter that will be held acountable .. neal has seen us before, hell he almost sat in with us at the rock of ages party ,, but now why does he have it out for us ... , it has to make you think ... if is was in a major touring group and there were tributes of my band it wouldn't bother me .. we would be the real thing and you can not replace that .. but now what we do is the perry era,and that is what most people want to hear period,,this is we do and we do our best and i am thinking that this what bothers neal , well if this is a sore spot or a geolous thing he has had all of the chances to do the same thing but he hasn't , we are only try to fill a void .....

[Rip Rokken]

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

i had a discussion with a few designers after a client asked me to design a logo for them that looked like the kiss logo. apparently, the kiss "logo" that we all recognize is just typed from a font, so you could just type any word with it & not have any legal issues. i'm sure it gets trickier when you actually use the word "kiss" in that font though.

You mean, kind like this? LOL! I took this shot in 2004. Could swear I've seen other KISS tribute bands doing the same, or even using a KISS logo backdrop or light-up display.

[portland]

+1

I think we need a "Travis Talk" to go along with "Frank Talk." .... I'm just saying.

Jason you are really getting to be a royal pain in the ass!!! JMO!!

[steveo777]

Neal isn't protecting Journey...he's fucking exploiting it.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner! That douche Schon has been milking every fucking cent out of exploiting the name "Journey" as long as I can remember. That said, he is certainly more entitled to do this than that freak Hugo is. I don't get the sperm burpers in here who swoon over a guy who Perry should sue for trying to steal his identity. Having a reverence and respect for a singer like Perry should be applauded, but Hugo takes it to a creepy fucking level. Trying to dress exactly like a fucking guy and emulate his mannerisms is just plain fucking bizarre and the dude needs to join the rest of us back here on the planet Earth!

The thing is, dude...he (hugo) has been doing this for 15 years...when he was in Open skyz/valentine....I was convinced I was looking at perry. He's no different than a vito bratta (with respect to EVH) ....he looks/sounds alike...but it's not something he does intentionally...he's obviously inspired by him...but to attack Hugo for his schtick is not really knowing the guy...and just painting it as you see it from the limited distance.

Regardless, for Neal to call hugo a 'fraud' is like a thief complaining that another thief that got to the jewels first is breaking the law.

+1. And (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will ) - I'm pretty sure Hugo's not the only Journey tribute singer who has resorted to 'mimicry', as someone else said. I seem to recall seeing some of the other 'notable' tribute singers in the yellow leopard shirt, tails and wig at some point in the past. I don't see them getting crucified for being 'creepy'.

Les here from evolution again ------ it is truethere are so many other singer who mimic .. still why us .. neal has seen us before, hell he almost sat in with us at the rock of ages party ,, but now why does he have it out for us ... , it has to make you think ... if is was in a major touring group and there were tributes of my band it wouldn't bother me .. we would be the real thing and you can not replace that .. but now what we do is the perry era,and that is what most people want to hear period,,this is we do and we do our best and i am thinking that this what bothers neal , well if this is a sore spot or a geolous thing he has had all of the chances to do the same thing but he hasn't , we are only try to fill a void .....

You don't think the other tribute bands mimic the Perry era? Of course they do...that's what people pay to see and hear, BUT, it appears that the way the marketing has been done, the flyers, with Journey in large print is the problem. For that part, I can't blame Neal. On the other hand I'm sure he knows that tribute bands out there singing Journey's classic hits are more of a benefit to the band than anything else.

[portland]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

THIS^^^^^^is one HELL of a post!!!

Holy shit.....where did this come from!!!! See I knew we could co-exist!!! Nice work!!!

[Ehwmatt]

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

i had a discussion with a few designers after a client asked me to design a logo for them that looked like the kiss logo. apparently, the kiss "logo" that we all recognize is just typed from a font, so you could just type any word with it & not have any legal issues. i'm sure it gets trickier when you actually use the word "kiss" in that font though.

You mean, kind like this? LOL! I took this shot in 2004. Could swear I've seen other KISS tribute bands doing the same, or even using a KISS logo backdrop or light-up display.

That's definitely 100% trademark infringement and any court would find against them, regardless of how easy or difficult the logo is to reproduce. It's just probably not worth dealing with.

[steveo777]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

THIS^^^^^^is one HELL of a post!!!

Holy shit.....where did this come from!!!! See I knew we could co-exist!!! Nice work!!!

I'm a misunderstood soul. I never really felt like a part of the forums.

[steveperryfan]

I've always wondered how some KISS tribute bands get away with using the KISS logo plain as day on their stages.

i had a discussion with a few designers after a client asked me to design a logo for them that looked like the kiss logo. apparently, the kiss "logo" that we all recognize is just typed from a font, so you could just type any word with it & not have any legal issues. i'm sure it gets trickier when you actually use the word "kiss" in that font though.

You mean, kind like this? LOL! I took this shot in 2004. Could swear I've seen other KISS tribute bands doing the same, or even using a KISS logo backdrop or light-up display.

That's definitely 100% trademark infringement and any court would find against them, regardless of how easy or difficult the logo is to reproduce. It's just probably not worth dealing with.

correct ....until they are a t hreat

[Chubby321]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

[portland]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

Game set match...and well it is what it is....

[Ehwmatt]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

Game set match...and well it is what it is....

Yes, people will keep laughing at them as they refuse to listen to much of the music and output of the voice that made the band famous (are ignorant of it it, in fact) and continue to flick their beans to a diminutive guy with a lot of talent but without much of a legacy

[steveo777]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

Game set match...and well it is what it is....

Yes, people will keep laughing at them as they refuse to listen to much of the music and output of the voice that made the band famous (are ignorant of it it, in fact) and continue to flick their beans to a diminutive guy with a lot of talent but without much of a legacy

I think Arnel could have his own legacy someday, but he's still a pup in the business. Having gotten established with Journey, even if and when the band disolves, he will have made a name for himself and could carry on, a star in his own right, someday.

[Ehwmatt]

I think Arnel could have his own legacy someday, but he's still a pup in the business. Having gotten established with Journey, even if and when the band disolves, he will have made a name for himself and could carry on, a star in his own right, someday.

You may well be right. In the meantime, I don't think it would be asking too much of his overzealous fans to respect the past music that he is largely drawing his performances from for the time being. It'd be one thing if he were 6 albums deep with Journey or something, but he's got 9 original songs with them under his belt. The past deserves to be known and respected even by the most zealous AP supporter at this point.

[steveo777]

I think Arnel could have his own legacy someday, but he's still a pup in the business. Having gotten established with Journey, even if and when the band disolves, he will have made a name for himself and could carry on, a star in his own right, someday.

You may well be right. In the meantime, I don't think it would be asking too much of his overzealous fans to respect the past music that he is largely drawing his performances from for the time being. It'd be one thing if he were 6 albums deep with Journey or something, but he's got 9 original songs with them under his belt. The past deserves to be known and respected even by the most zealous AP supporter at this point.

And I don't take that as a slam on Arnel. Everyone's career starts somewhere.

[mdaemon]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers.

There is nothing wrong with being an Arnel fan first and I don't think it is disrespectful to the band's legacy. I could cite several reasons why some of us became Arnel fans first and none of them disrespects Journey and even it's long time fans. In my case, I wasn't a fan of the genre before and I only began enjoying it when Arnel joined Journey. I have the Escape (live) CD and the GH and I do intend to check out other AOR bands that Andrew reviewed at the front page of this site.

The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.


I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

You have to understand that the Pinoy music fans were disrespected first. Most of us would have been happy for Arnel to always be behind Perry's shadow but things that were said when Arnel was announced as lead singer of Journey did hurt a lot of Pinoys. You weren't a member yet of this board when these things happened so maybe you should "develop yourself historically" as well


The thing is, most of the things that you complain about hardcore Arnel fans are the same things that can be said about the loonest of the Perry loons. If you are being turned off towards Arnel because of his over-zealous fans, the Pinoy Arnel fans also got turned off with Perry because of the actions of a few of his very vocal fans; alas, this forum was ground zero of those events in '07.

[portland]

Chubby, I have never come into a thread and openly disagreed with you....until now. I've considered you a friend, but friends sometimes have to be honest with each other and call each other on their bullshit. While I admire your enthusiam for Arnel and Journey, saying your fanhood just began with Arnel is to completely disrespect the musical legacy (god I hate having to keep using that word) and the bandmembers. The foundation that got Arnel this job was layed down long ago. Were it not for each previous member of Journey making their contribution to this timeless catalog of music, Arnel would be doing something else today, I promise you. For other Pinoys who share the same attitude, again they are being disrepectful to the classic band and the current members as well. I don't know if they see it that way, but some of us non Pinoys sure take it that way. Pinoy pride is ok...so is American pride, but when misplaced so blatantly, it actually runs some fans off. Some of them are blind to a Journey before Arnel. They'd better understand that just as quickly as Arnel was hired, he could be returned back to where he was and there would still be a Journey. What would those who blame Journeys success on Arnel say then? I'd suggest that you take the time to develope yourself historically, so you're not running around posting, only understanding 10% of the big picture. Now that said, there is no debate for you to win here. You simply have too little knowlege and no case whatsoever. Why don't you try being a Journey fan for awhile.....all of it.

I'm one of Arnel's biggest fans, but I've always been one of Journey's biggest fans first.

Steve, it just so happened that I am pinoy, but many of the caucasian members of Arnel's website have the same experience as me. We could not figure out what Arnel have done to us. We are all of age and yet, we are like teenagers following him like crazy. I'm sorry that Perry is not involved in it but there was no intention to disrespect, it's just a natural occurrence, I guess.

I am signing off on this issue. Thanks my friend.

Game set match...and well it is what it is....

Yes, people will keep laughing at them as they refuse to listen to much of the music and output of the voice that made the band famous (are ignorant of it it, in fact) and continue to flick their beans to a diminutive guy with a lot of talent but without much of a legacy

I think Arnel could have his own legacy someday, but he's still a pup in the business. Having gotten established with Journey, even if and when the band disolves, he will have made a name for himself and could carry on, a star in his own right, someday.

and I agree the best thing that AP can do is break out on his own and make his own legacy as Journey's is already been written...and that is with SMFP..and the fact that the band will not even acknowledge that there were two singers in between should be a BIG red flag for AP.............