Perry wishes the band well!

[Michigan Girl]

A Perryless Journey? well it is just a band milking off on the success of their past front man isn't it, prove me wrong otherwise.

They talk about moving forward, though what they keep doing is finding singer after singer who struggles day in day out to replicate Steve Perry, I am sorry but that's exactly what it is, there really nothing else to say, you can argue till the cows come home, but it is what it is.

The reality is, if you can't see that? then it very regrettable to say, but you probably are not very smart, which is OK because I aint the brightest spark either, however! I can see this.

The biggest problem is, Steve Perry was just too good, he was simply too good. If Steve Perry was not so damn good! nobody will probably give two shits if this was Journey 26th lead singer, unfortunately for Journey today, one of the greatest singers of all time left them while casting a huge shadow over them when he left, not only that but Steve Perry knew, he knew if he left them, then that would be the end of the Journey legacy, and sadly it is, it's been over since 1996..

Can the band who plays Journey hits today be enjoyed? sure they can, will they still make money? sure, it's entertainment after all. Will they be included in the Rockin Roll Hall Of Fame? No, why? see Enigma's post above (minus the insults, as do not condone personal attacks) however if you can get past that, it pretty much speaks for itself.

Thanks for reading.

LMAO, John has his own way, but I love it!!!

[madsplash]

Geez, you need to calm the fuck down.

You need to get a fucking clue!

It wasn't Perry who made Journey

As far as I'm concerned, his voice is THE REASON that anyone knows the name Journey, period, end of story!

If Herbie hadn't given Perry a chance, he would still be working on his step fathers turkey ranch

Right, and I'd still have my paper route if I didn't decide to go to college and get an education. You're just another putz who comes onto this board and regurgitates the same shit you hear others say on here. Do yourself a favor and listen to Perry's demo tape. I think you'll be a bit surprised as you're listening that the sound you're listening to is the sound that "Journey" became famous for, and Schon and Cain weren't remotely involved with Perry's demo tape!

face it, he couldn't make it alone.

Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is that the guys calling themselves "Journey" had four long years before Perry got there to "make it alone", and they failed, MISERABLY! What I also know is that Perry as a solo artist had success and sold albums without the Journey name on the album!

Neal and Cain doesn't have to be grateful for whatever Perry did.

Doesn't have to be grateful? Your high school called and are seeking that diploma they awarded you back

and still milk the shit out of Journey to this day?!

Are you fucking stoned? Perry is the guy "milking" Journey? WOW! You really need to work on getting some fucking brain cells connected! I'm fairly certain that the only "milking" of Journey that has occurred has been fully orchestrated by Neal "The Douche" Schon!

Great post. You really ripped him a new one.
Yea, Perry's milking Journey.

[Vladan]

A Perryless Journey? well it is just a band milking off on the success of their past front man isn't it, prove me wrong otherwise.

They talk about moving forward, though what they keep doing is finding singer after singer who struggles day in day out to replicate Steve Perry, I am sorry but that's exactly what it is, there really nothing else to say, you can argue till the cows come home, but it is what it is.

The reality is, if you can't see that? then it very regrettable to say, but you probably are not very smart, which is OK because I aint the brightest spark either, however! I can see this.

The biggest problem is, Steve Perry was just too good, he was simply too good. If Steve Perry was not so damn good! nobody will probably give two shits if this was Journey 26th lead singer, unfortunately for Journey today, one of the greatest singers of all time left them while casting a huge shadow over them when he left, not only that but Steve Perry knew, he knew if he left them, then that would be the end of the Journey legacy, and sadly it is, it's been over since 1996..

Can the band who plays Journey hits today be enjoyed? sure they can, will they still make money? sure, it's entertainment after all. Will they be included in the Rockin Roll Hall Of Fame? No, why? see Enigma's post above (minus the insults, as do not condone personal attacks) however if you can get past that, it pretty much speaks for itself.

Thanks for reading.

Perry could go back anytime he wants. Why should Journey stop trying because Steve wants to sit at home stroking his pussy?

They can't move forward if they are always mentioning their past.

I don't know mate, maybe because it's not 1982 anymore oh and welcome to the forum.

[Ligzig]

A Perryless Journey? well it is just a band milking off on the success of their past front man isn't it, prove me wrong otherwise.

They talk about moving forward, though what they keep doing is finding singer after singer who struggles day in day out to replicate Steve Perry, I am sorry but that's exactly what it is, there really nothing else to say, you can argue till the cows come home, but it is what it is.

The reality is, if you can't see that? then it very regrettable to say, but you probably are not very smart, which is OK because I aint the brightest spark either, however! I can see this.

The biggest problem is, Steve Perry was just too good, he was simply too good. If Steve Perry was not so damn good! nobody will probably give two shits if this was Journey 26th lead singer, unfortunately for Journey today, one of the greatest singers of all time left them while casting a huge shadow over them when he left, not only that but Steve Perry knew, he knew if he left them, then that would be the end of the Journey legacy, and sadly it is, it's been over since 1996..

Can the band who plays Journey hits today be enjoyed? sure they can, will they still make money? sure, it's entertainment after all. Will they be included in the Rockin Roll Hall Of Fame? No, why? see Enigma's post above (minus the insults, as do not condone personal attacks) however if you can get past that, it pretty much speaks for itself.

Thanks for reading.

Perry could go back anytime he wants. Why should Journey stop trying because Steve wants to sit at home stroking his pussy?

They can't move forward if they are always mentioning their past.

I don't know mate, maybe because it's not 1982 anymore oh and welcome to the forum.

Maybe not, but I don't see any reason to stop...If you're not a fan, you don't have to follow them. (not you, in general)

Thanks

[bluejeangirl76]

Perry could go back anytime he wants. Why should Journey stop trying because Steve wants to sit at home stroking his pussy?

They can't move forward if they are always mentioning their past.

Excuse me? They are purposely holding on to their past! They re-recorded all of their biggest hits, they hired a guy based on his ability to mimic their "legacy sound" - read: their PAST, SUCCESSFUL sound. That was Jon Cain's statement when they booted Jeff and took on Arnel... "Journey returns to its legacy sound"... They are in no hurry to move forward, otherwise Revelation disc 2 would not exist and there would be much more material in their stage show from Revelation, Generations and Arrival. That isn't where the money or the "legacy" is.

[Red13JoePa]

perry is good people.

Hey, what's up Dean?

[Ligzig]

Perry could go back anytime he wants. Why should Journey stop trying because Steve wants to sit at home stroking his pussy?

They can't move forward if they are always mentioning their past.

Excuse me? They are purposely holding on to their past! They re-recorded all of their biggest hits, they hired a guy based on his ability to mimic their "legacy sound" - read: their PAST, SUCCESSFUL sound. That was Jon Cain's statement when they booted Jeff and took on Arnel... "Journey returns to its legacy sound"... They are in no hurry to move forward, otherwise Revelation disc 2 would not exist and there would be much more material in their stage show from Revelation, Generations and Arrival. That isn't where the money or the "legacy" is.

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision. Arnel has the voice to do whatever he wants, it's up to the band to take advantage of that or let it slip away. (I'm voting they don't do anything...but then again, I have been surprised by a lot of things lately)

I'm only arguing against all of those that want them constantly mentioning and praising Perry and/or Augeri/JSS in the media. Nobody is trying to erase the memory of Steve Perry, and it will never be forgotten.

[strangegrey]

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision.

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

There isn't a person I play the rerecords to who goes "wow, just as good or better than the originals"


...and I'm talking casual fans, diehards or non-fans.....all alike. They think the rerecords pale in comparison to the originals. Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

her first comment "Holy cow, this guy sucks"...

so to be fair, I played her OTY, from the retreads first....and followed it with the GH version.

her second comment was "there's zero conveyed emotion. You believe Perry's emoting the words he's singing, Arnel sounds like he's phonetically reproducing them"...


her words not mine.


But it doesn't matter...because it doesn't have to be her. friends of mine, co workers...it doesn't matter...they all say the same thing "He sounds somewhere in the same ballpark, but I don't feel the emotion. It sounds like he's singing words off a paper. Diction issues"


The comments are ALL the same. I've never heard a positive thing from an independent person, if I did a direct comparison of the retreads and Perry's original recording.....and I've solicited tons of opinions from tons of people...

[bluejeangirl76]

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision.

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

I started to create a reply based on that point, and then erased it because I thought "good god, why bother?"

They didn't say 'no' because they knew that they couldn't say 'no' if they wanted to sell Revelation and not end up giving it away for free just to get people playing it (or using it as a coaster) like Gens. They could have said "No, our past is fine the way it is, thank you and we choose to have some integrity about it, plus our fans would hate that" and then went and recorded/distributed their new effort somewhere else but there would be no money (and no false platinum status) in that. They sold out, plain and simple.

[Michigan Girl]

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision.

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

I started to create a reply based on that point, and then erased it because I thought "good god, why bother?"

They didn't say 'no' because they knew that they couldn't say 'no' if they wanted to sell Revelation and not end up giving it away for free just to get people playing it (or using it as a coaster) like Gens. They could have said "No, our past is fine the way it is, thank you and we choose to have some integrity about it, plus our fans would hate that" and then went and recorded/distributed their new effort somewhere else but there would be no money (and no false platinum status) in that. They sold out, plain and simple.

I so agree w/you on this one trillion and one percent!!

[Ligzig]

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

I wish they would have. The music industry was much different back then than it is now, and Journey was created to be a hit machine. I'm not sure they know what it means to have integrity.

As far as the rest of your post, I don't really know what that has to do with anything...I mean, there's plenty of people out there that do enjoy this lineup. I know I do. I never cared for Augeri or the abomination that was JSS in Journey but I never rained on anyones parade.

[strangegrey]

well, the point is that I simply do not understand any reason for re-releasing these recordings with arnel, beyond solely and aggresively going after sales figures for RIAA certification.

Seriously, the minute you release these retreads with arnel singing, you force a comparison with Steve Perry of old...not today. The only way people can accept Arnel in this lineup, without reservation, is to rest on the assumption that Perry can't sing the material today and that Arnel today is better than Perry today.

By releasing the retreads, you change the comparison. You compare Arnel today to Perry of old...BOOM, epic and instant fail!

[portland]

well, the point is that I simply do not understand any reason for re-releasing these recordings with arnel, beyond solely and aggresively going after sales figures for RIAA certification.

Seriously, the minute you release these retreads with arnel singing, you force a comparison with Steve Perry of old...not today. The only way people can accept Arnel in this lineup, without reservation, is to rest on the assumption that Perry can't sing the material today and that Arnel today is better than Perry today.

By releasing the retreads, you change the comparison. You compare Arnel today to Perry of old...BOOM, epic and instant fail!

I agree and for me it was a huge mistake and it took away any desire that I may have had to enjoy the current line up....I bought Revelation to see what I will missing...and well it was not much IMO!

To compare them is really unfair to AP....and he has been put into an impossible position and it's not his fault and even he shows respect to Perry and his talent...this shows that he actually gets it more than the other members of the band (which is no big surprise)

[Ligzig]

By releasing the retreads, you change the comparison. You compare Arnel today to Perry of old...BOOM, epic and instant fail!

Anyone would.

There's no other reason than money, that's it. Shame Arnel has to be a part of that.

[strangegrey]

Shame Arnel has to be a part of that.

Agreed, the retreads gives arnel an impossible situation....he will never live those retreads down. The more time that goes by, the more his voice tears and strains under the pressure....the worse it gets for him.

It's like walking into a standardized test and blindfolding yourself.

[Ligzig]

Shame Arnel has to be a part of that.

Agreed, the retreads gives arnel an impossible situation....he will never live those retreads down. The more time that goes by, the more his voice tears and strains under the pressure....the worse it gets for him.

It's like walking into a standardized test and blindfolding yourself.

I hope they give him breathing room on the next record. I don't want to see any Perry/sam cookisms. I just want to hear notes and lyrics that hit the spot and feel comfortable. Revelation was good, but it felt forced, uninspired, bland and pretty "paint by numbers"

[journeygirl]

Oh he was tracked down for sure. And BjGirl is right, Perry has tact, moxy and is a pure class act, while Schon continues to prove he is the equivalent of a filthy syphilitic rat turd.

[Jana]

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision.

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

There isn't a person I play the rerecords to who goes "wow, just as good or better than the originals"


...and I'm talking casual fans, diehards or non-fans.....all alike. They think the rerecords pale in comparison to the originals. Just this past weekend, my wife goes "let me hear this arnel, I want to see what the fuss is about" so I play her BGTY off of the GH. Then I play BGTY off the retreads.

her first comment "Holy cow, this guy sucks"...

so to be fair, I played her OTY, from the retreads first....and followed it with the GH version.

her second comment was "there's zero conveyed emotion. You believe Perry's emoting the words he's singing, Arnel sounds like he's phonetically reproducing them"...


her words not mine.


But it doesn't matter...because it doesn't have to be her. friends of mine, co workers...it doesn't matter...they all say the same thing "He sounds somewhere in the same ballpark, but I don't feel the emotion. It sounds like he's singing words off a paper. Diction issues"


The comments are ALL the same. I've never heard a positive thing from an independent person, if I did a direct comparison of the retreads and Perry's original recording.....and I've solicited tons of opinions from tons of people...

Well, I have too. And the casual fans that picked it up all thought it was a great idea to show he could sing those songs in the tenor sound. They weren't comparing him to the fact that he sounds exactly or as good as, but that he was amazingly similar. But all said he had an amazing voice and thought it was a good idea, even if they weren't listening to them b/c they have the old music. Many I've talked to don't even listen to the old music. B/c of me talking about Journey they all pulled out their old music b/c they loved Perry and Journey back in the day. There's way more casual fans than diehard fans, and even old diehard fans from back in the day, who love Perry, don't seem to have any bad energy on the band and the re-records b/c they're not emotionally invested in the band after all these years. They don't know where Perry is or even Journey for that matter. I get that the diehards who still follow their music and listen to the classics don't like that they did it. But I couldn't even find music reviewers giving them a hard time for doing it.

No, I listen to the originals, but I have pulled out the re-records on the rare occasion b/c I know it's Arnel and I enjoy listening to him sing.

[Enigma869]

I hope they give him breathing room on the next record.

What Arnel and his fans should be hoping for is that Neal puts a stop to the endless fucking touring. I like Arnel a lot. He's not Perry, but neither is anyone else. He's a FAR more talented vocalist than Augeri ever was, and has the correct range for the back catalog. That said, you can already hear the guy's voice faltering. This is a BRUTAL catalog to sing, and I'm 100% certain that Arnel will fall victim to it just like everyone before him did!

[bluejeangirl76]

Shame Arnel has to be a part of that.

Agreed, the retreads gives arnel an impossible situation....he will never live those retreads down. The more time that goes by, the more his voice tears and strains under the pressure....the worse it gets for him.

It's like walking into a standardized test and blindfolding yourself.

...while using a no. 1 pencil.

[Jana]

The guy stole years of peoples' careers and broke up lineups. There's nothing for him to be bitter about. Nobody did anything to him!! Your logic is severely fucked up. It's like a rapist wishing his victim "good luck with the rest of your life" and someone calling him classy! He raped their careers and took from them one of very few things that you can't get back...time.

I'd agree with you on this, but he did nothing to damage their "Bad English" career did he?

Schon was on his way to having Journey being dropped because they werent selling in the 70's before Perry. If you look at it that way, Schon should be grateful for Perry extending Journey another 10 (20 years if you want to count TBF)

It's a 2-way street. Perry was "plucked" from a turkey farm by Herbie, someone that believed in him, when he had stopped believing in himself. No amount of success ever makes it excusable to do what he did.

Amen.

[Jana]

Listen...to put it very plainly....there were comments by perry posted here that were fraudulant...the attempt was quite plain and clear to try to 'validate' arnel by suggesting perry was giving arnel a nod. I see NOTHING in this statement that suggests such an intent is there....and given the history around here of people trying to validate arnel at every turn, i felt it was apropriate to nip it in the bud.

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously, Frank? Even as ditzy as I can be, I knew that stupid thread by Steveo777 was him trying to be funny and sarcastic. It was a bad JOKE about Perry talking about Arnel at the game.

[steveo777]

I hated the rerecords as much as anybody, but that was a Walmart decision.

Um, big concept here....Journey could have said "No"

I started to create a reply based on that point, and then erased it because I thought "good god, why bother?"

They didn't say 'no' because they knew that they couldn't say 'no' if they wanted to sell Revelation and not end up giving it away for free just to get people playing it (or using it as a coaster) like Gens. They could have said "No, our past is fine the way it is, thank you and we choose to have some integrity about it, plus our fans would hate that" and then went and recorded/distributed their new effort somewhere else but there would be no money (and no false platinum status) in that. They sold out, plain and simple.

Some have said they sold out when they hired Perry and went for "commercial success". I remember hearing those comments, especially from some guys I know who were huge pre-Perry Journey fans. When SP got hired they quit being fans of the band.

[strangegrey]

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously, Frank? Even as ditzy as I can be, I knew that stupid thread by Steveo777 was him trying to be funny and sarcastic. It was a bad JOKE about Perry talking about Arnel at the game.

At the time, there was zero indication of the thread being funny, sarcastic or tongue in cheek. The attempt was clear. Andrew closed down the thread post haste with the same interpretation I developed from reading it.

Perhaps it was excused afterwards as a 'joke' because the post was bitch slapped down by andrew....but the post, prior to being closed down, was presented with the full force of a serious post.

[steveo777]

Listen...to put it very plainly....there were comments by perry posted here that were fraudulant...the attempt was quite plain and clear to try to 'validate' arnel by suggesting perry was giving arnel a nod. I see NOTHING in this statement that suggests such an intent is there....and given the history around here of people trying to validate arnel at every turn, i felt it was apropriate to nip it in the bud.

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously, Frank? Even as ditzy as I can be, I knew that stupid thread by Steveo777 was him trying to be funny and sarcastic. It was a bad JOKE about Perry talking about Arnel at the game.

Duh! I'm glad you were able to see that it was a joke posted purely to get a reaction. Never in a million years did I ever believe that Perry would listen to, like or even endorse Arnel. I sure hope nobody believes that I was serious.

[Jana]

You have got to be kidding me. Seriously, Frank? Even as ditzy as I can be, I knew that stupid thread by Steveo777 was him trying to be funny and sarcastic. It was a bad JOKE about Perry talking about Arnel at the game.

At the time, there was zero indication of the thread being funny, sarcastic or tongue in cheek. The attempt was clear. Andrew closed down the thread post haste with the same interpretation I developed from reading it.

Perhaps it was excused afterwards as a 'joke' because the post was bitch slapped down by andrew....but the post, prior to being closed down, was presented with the full force of a serious post.

It was a joke, bad. The intent was clear? You really think SteveO was trying to make people believe that Perry said that Are you seeing conspiracy or ulterior motives in everything now? Andrew closes down a lot threads, Perry Loon Voyager's tongue in cheek Perry thread,. Many threads if he thinks it's going to take a bad turn, which it would have b/c it was a stupid joke. Many theads are presented as serious, trying to be sarcastic on here all the time. Again, big fail on Steveo's part.

[Rhiannon]

If Herbie hadn't given Perry a chance, he would still be working on his step fathers turkey ranch

Right, and I'd still have my paper route if I didn't decide to go to college and get an education.

Good one. Gawd I love this place.

Yep. This settles it. This is the point. Close down the internet, the discussion is over.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Of course SP has positive things to say about Journey. SP's has class and good taste and the gentleman that he is, we wouldn't be the type to wish negative things for the bad. It would take a complete idiot to make negative public comments, like the ex-INXS singer did about INXS, and that guy turned out to be a rocket scientist instead of a vocalist afterall.

[Red13JoePa]

Of course SP has positive things to say about Journey. SP's has class and good taste and the gentleman that he is, we wouldn't be the type to wish negative things for the bad.

[mdaemon]

It's very nice of him to release a statement. However, IIRC, I have read the same statement from him a while back. If he is just releasing the same thing all over again, I am wondering now whether he is sincere about what he is saying,