Journey On Oprah

[stevew2]

I thought that both songs performed on Oprah were excellent. Seriously, he finally nailed down a pretty good rendition of DSB. Nice interview and it was good to see that Oprah got the story right. Well done by everyone.

Half the story was left out Dan

everything that matters to the average Joe Public was covered. Fair or not, mentioning Augeri gives them no benefit, and Oprah certainly isn't the place you would mention it anyway. That would be better served on a talk show interview (ie Letterman, Leno, Conan).

It good to be honest when you sing a song called Dont Stop Beleiving especially if you ve been on the road for over 10 years

[Melissa]

...Especially when there's no denying that IF in 10 more years they are still around and were to have yet another singer, and IF they were to go on Oprah again for some show called, oh I don't know, "The Dinosaurs of Rock", and not mention Arnel at all after years of singing with the band, it would be found crappy by Arnel fans too.

What comes around goes around.....I've been warning Arneliots for 2 years now. Don't get too comfortable with the little pinoy in the hot seat. It's a hot seat for a reason...and so long as Friga and Fro find themselves a reason to consider Arnel might be damaging their income stream (or more aptly, a potential income stream of greater significance or reliance comes around)....Arnel will be singing with the Zoo and eating peanuts with Francis Scaramanga.


Seriously...the reality is that Arnel's position in Journey is tenuous at best.....Arnel has another brain fart and talks to the wrong person in the press, boom...he's gone. Arnel loses his voice, TDK comes to the rescue until they have a viable replacement...then boom...he's gone. Arnel's woman gets a little too pushy with the demands....boom...he's gone. Arnel orders a pizza on Neal's room.....boom...he's gone.


The above situations don't seem plausable to you? you might want to breath air instead of sand....

Um, yeah actually I do know all of those things are plausable, that's why I've said what I have. Look how they made Augeri completey non-existent during the "Journey's Story" segment of the show. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the same were to happen to Arnel.

[strangegrey]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

[Melissa]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

I agree. As much as I hated to see what happened to Augeri and JSS, I'm happy for Arnel and the oppurtunity he's been given, truly. But you are right. Sadly that is so true, would happen again just like that.

[SYNCH]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Let an AP fan enjoy what they want to do hailing him like god. Or loons on Perry.. Augeri and JSS. If ever Journey will run Arnel under the bus then so be it, shame on AP fans for not listening, don't worry you'll be credited for it... and by the way, shame will be on me too. Thanks for the concern, we heard the history.

[Marzdog]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Funny, I sent someone an email recently saying "In some ways I have to chuckle about Journey and Arnel. The fact that Neal probably hasn’t even thought about what will happen to his future once he shits on Arnel makes me laugh."

Journey is riding the Arnel train and once, sorry let me rephrase, IF AND WHEN they gas him, they'll have a nice public relations problem going, UNLIKE the ousting of both SA and JSS. I'd love to see the interest Oprah has in Journey then...

[steveo777]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Funny, I sent someone an email recently saying "In some ways I have to chuckle about Journey and Arnel. The fact that Neal probably hasn’t even thought about what will happen to his future once he shits on Arnel makes me laugh."

Journey is riding the Arnel train and once, sorry let me rephrase, IF AND WHEN they gas him, they'll have a nice public relations problem going, UNLIKE the ousting of both SA and JSS. I'd love to see the interest Oprah has in Journey then...

This is the last Journey lineup ever. If they dump Arnel the band retires. All the "I told ya so's" are gonna come out of the woodwork and have a field day with it, as will the media. The rest of the band members would be lucky to find work.

Hopefully, if that were to happen, by then, Pineda would be able to do whatever he wanted.

[StoneCold]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Funny, I sent someone an email recently saying "In some ways I have to chuckle about Journey and Arnel. The fact that Neal probably hasn’t even thought about what will happen to his future once he shits on Arnel makes me laugh."

Journey is riding the Arnel train and once, sorry let me rephrase, IF AND WHEN they gas him, they'll have a nice public relations problem going, UNLIKE the ousting of both SA and JSS. I'd love to see the interest Oprah has in Journey then...

Let's be clear. NOprah had NO interest in Journey. They had a song and a mascot that could drive the show. If you watched the whole of it, she was matter of fact with the band going so far as to correct them when she didn't get the answer she wanted.

"AP Foundation? That's wonderful, I have a foundation too, but that's not what I asked. What did you BUY when you made some REAL money Arnel? JOURNEY money! 'Cause you know, I bought towels."

Compare that with her gushing over Kadeesha the "Homeless to Harvard" guest. She seemed in awe and maybe a little jealous that Kadeesha overcame more than she did to get out of poverty. Despite all else, Oprah did have homes to go to and people to raise her. She was a self admitted wild teen so Kadeesha's stoic and humble application to her goal is far beyond what Oprah did at that age.

As to Arnel, they're not letting the golden goose loose. Look at the difference two years makes. Neither JSS or Augeri and no amount of hits could've gotten them on the O show.

Only Perry himself could shake things now but I suspect Neal has a couple choice words saved up for that phone call.

[Michigan Girl]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Funny, I sent someone an email recently saying "In some ways I have to chuckle about Journey and Arnel. The fact that Neal probably hasn’t even thought about what will happen to his future once he shits on Arnel makes me laugh."

Journey is riding the Arnel train and once, sorry let me rephrase, IF AND WHEN they gas him, they'll have a nice public relations problem going, UNLIKE the ousting of both SA and JSS. I'd love to see the interest Oprah has in Journey then...

This is the last Journey lineup ever. If they dump Arnel the band retires. All the "I told ya so's" are gonna come out of the woodwork and have a field day with it, as will the media. The rest of the band members would be lucky to find work.

Hopefully, if that were to happen, by then, Pineda would be able to do whatever he wanted.

If the band is retiring why will they be having a hard time finding work?!?!? This post makes
no sense, you don't know any more than anyone else!!!
I really don't think the media will care!!:wink:

[StoneCold]

This is the last Journey lineup ever. If they dump Arnel the band retires. All the "I told ya so's" are gonna come out of the woodwork and have a field day with it, as will the media. The rest of the band members would be lucky to find work.

Hopefully, if that were to happen, by then, Pineda would be able to do whatever he wanted.

If the band is retiring why will they be having a hard time finding work?!?!?

This post makes no sense, you don't know any more than anyone else!!!

I really don't think the media will care!!:wink:

What's wrong MG? You don't sound like you're laughing anymore.

[steveo777]

Yep, that's the issue. They wrote him into Journey history, they can easily write him out. They've tried to and/or succeeded with doing so on every previous singer....

And I would feel bad for Arnel as well....I'm just more speaking to the arneliots that think he's some invinsible golden god. He's just as replacable as Augeri and JSS were. One little itsy bitsy idea creeps into Schons head that he could be better off without Arnel in Journey....and poof!! Gone like wind!

Funny, I sent someone an email recently saying "In some ways I have to chuckle about Journey and Arnel. The fact that Neal probably hasn’t even thought about what will happen to his future once he shits on Arnel makes me laugh."

Journey is riding the Arnel train and once, sorry let me rephrase, IF AND WHEN they gas him, they'll have a nice public relations problem going, UNLIKE the ousting of both SA and JSS. I'd love to see the interest Oprah has in Journey then...

This is the last Journey lineup ever. If they dump Arnel the band retires. All the "I told ya so's" are gonna come out of the woodwork and have a field day with it, as will the media. The rest of the band members would be lucky to find work.

Hopefully, if that were to happen, by then, Pineda would be able to do whatever he wanted.

If the band is retiring why will they be having a hard time finding work?!?!? This post makes
no sense, you don't know any more than anyone else!!!
I really don't think the media will care!!:wink:

Precisely, nobody knows and that's what makes it fun. Everyone likes to paint scenarios, but the retirement part, I do believe would be sealed fate if they let go of another singer.

[fredinator]

I thoroughly enjoyed the show--thought Arnel did a great job on DSB and looked like Oprah got a little emotional over Faithfully... Loved it when Deen said, "Woof!". The show was about people who don't stop believing not really about Journey's history. She asked the band just a few questions; there wasn't enough time to discuss everything. They all looked good and healthy although maybe a little tired (Neal); it's awesome that all of them still have great hair! Arnel is going to be okay; he set up a foundation, bought a house... Even if he lost this gig, he is a hero in the Phillipines.

[StoneCold]

Even if he lost this gig, he is a hero in the Phillipines.

He'd land another major gig in a heartbeat and the band knows this.

[strangegrey]

He'd land another major gig in a heartbeat and the band knows this.

I'll be inclined to agree with you, unless Journey does a nice smear job like they did with Augeri. That's always an option.....hopefully, never something that will ever happen....but I wouldn't put it past Fro.

[fredinator]

How did they smear Augeri? I don't remember that.

[steveo777]

He'd land another major gig in a heartbeat and the band knows this.

I'll be inclined to agree with you, unless Journey does a nice smear job like they did with Augeri. That's always an option.....hopefully, never something that will ever happen....but I wouldn't put it past Fro.

I sure missed that one. Seriously, I never saw where they smeared Augeri. Can you point it out or tell me what was said?

[fredinator]

Even if he lost this gig, he is a hero in the Phillipines.

He'd land another major gig in a heartbeat and the band knows this.

Is this a bad thing?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

How did they smear Augeri? I don't remember that.

Pretty sure they didn't.

[steveo777]

How did they smear Augeri? I don't remember that.

Pretty sure they didn't.

Delusions come to some minds when extreme hatred of something takes place. Some people will never let go of the past and will never move on. They want it like it used to be. When I was a kid I hated change and I always wanted it like it used to be. Waaaaahhhhhhhhh!!! Quick, call the Waaahhhhmbulance!!

[strangegrey]

Um folks, tapegate didn't happen with Augeri secretly plugging his i-pod into the FOH sounds system....it was a band and crew effort.

Immediately following the break of the story Neal Schon stated he was unaware of it (which is smearing augeri)....comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

They most definitely made augeri fall on his sword...and they did so while spewing some pretty untrue and not-complementary stuff to the press.

[strangegrey]

How did they smear Augeri? I don't remember that.

Pretty sure they didn't.

Delusions come to some minds when extreme hatred of something takes place. Some people will never let go of the past and will never move on. They want it like it used to be. When I was a kid I hated change and I always wanted it like it used to be. Waaaaahhhhhhhhh!!! Quick, call the Waaahhhhmbulance!!

I supose fear of change is almost as juvenile as ignorance

[Pelata]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Um folks, tapegate didn't happen with Augeri secretly plugging his i-pod into the FOH sounds system....it was a band and crew effort.

Correct, but that's not a smear campaign.

Immediately following the break of the story Neal Schon stated he was unaware of it (which is smearing augeri)....comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

The only thing close to this I remember is when Neal and JSS were working together and Neal commented off-hand that there were no pro tools involved with the recording. Maybe it was the Believe In Me video...

He certainly did not say it in multiple places or in well-known, reputable press outlets.

...and Neal saying he was unaware of Tapegate is not smearing Augeri. Because they still haven't admitted that it happened. If they admitted it and made Steve Augeri out to be the only person who wanted to do it, THAT would be smearing Augeri. You can't smear someone when nobody knows that something wrong actually happened.

[stevew2]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

absolutely

[fightingilliniJRNY]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

Not quite. He has said in the past that you never know if some singers are 'pro-tools wonders" but he certainly never directly referred to Steve Augeri as a pro-tool wonder.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

absolutely

Like saying that you saw WCTNGOF live in Maryland in 1986 ( ), I think you're mistaken again. I do not remember Schon directly referring to Augeri as a "pro-tools wonder." He's made off-hand comments about pro-tools singers, but I don't think he ever flat-out called Augeri one.

[steveo777]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

absolutely

Well, then prove it for us, big boy. You can't just spout shit out and have credibility if you can't back up your claims with any proof.

[stevew2]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

absolutely

Like saying that you saw WCTNGOF live in Maryland in 1986 ( ), I think you're mistaken again. I do not remember Schon directly referring to Augeri as a "pro-tools wonder." He's made off-hand comments about pro-tools singers, but I don't think he ever flat-out called Augeri one.

same fucking thing, and I know what I heard in 1986 dickface

[fightingilliniJRNY]

comments made to the press about Augeri being a "pro-tools wonder" were further efforts.

Did Neal Schon actually say that?

absolutely

Like saying that you saw WCTNGOF live in Maryland in 1986 ( ), I think you're mistaken again. I do not remember Schon directly referring to Augeri as a "pro-tools wonder." He's made off-hand comments about pro-tools singers, but I don't think he ever flat-out called Augeri one.

same fucking thing, and I know what I heard in 1986 dickface

No, it's not the same thing. At all.

And learn how to offer support and make an argument intelligently.

[steveo777]

WCTNGOF was NEVER, EVER played live during any tour in the 80's. There is nowhere that there is any record of this ever having been played.