Perry wishes the band well!

[Lula]

The suggestion that many who bought "Revelation" purchased their first Journey album with that purchase is simply moronic! I would venture to guess that the vast majority of so-called fans who made "Revelation" their first Journey purchase bought it simply because of Arnel, and those aren't Journey fans. If you never paid attention to this band when they had the greatest singer on the planet, you're not allowed to call yourself a Journey fan, as far as I'm concerned. Arnel is a very talented vocalist and I think "Revelation" is the best post-Perry work Journey has done. That doesn't change the fact that Arnel is nothing more than a hired gun (just like those before him) who has absolutely NOTHING to do with why anyone outside of the Phillipines knows who Journey is!

Yep to the bold

No to Rev being the best - Arrival is the class of post-Perry records, length and few unnecessary ballads and all. Not enough different style songs on Revelation to sink my teeth into compared to Arrival (Higher Place vs. Livin To Do vs. World Gone Wild vs Signs of Life vs We Will Meet Again vs Kiss Me Softly vs To Be Alive Again etc...). When you really think about it, song-to-song Arrival is a pretty stylistically diverse record, insofar as a melodic rock album from a band that's always been at the forefront of the genre can diversify their signature sound. That's what keeps me coming back.

i agree. to me, and i'll be honest, i only listened to revelation the time it was available online, i was not taken. i thought it was weak stylistically. arrival may not be perfect, but it has some good stuff.

[Michigan Girl]

Great post. Since many co-workers heard I was going to see Journey they came out of the woodworks saying how much they loved Perry, loved Journey, and yet these "fans" had no clue that Journey was still around, if Perry was alive or dead, and don't pull out the old music ever to listen to it or probably don't have it anymore.

I kept listening to the buzz around me after the concert (which was an amazing concert) when it became obvious most didn't know Arnel and it was all positive. All I heard either many said he sounded like Perry or that Perry was better but he was great, fantastic singer, whatever. They were at a nice concert and went home all liqoured up, in the mood, b/c of Faithfully and nostalgia over music of their youth, to have sex, not to run home and dig around for a CD they probably have no idea where it is and do a song-to-song comparison.

And therein lies the diff, when Perry was singing our clothes just fell off
and the sex was had before we even made it home!!!

[strangegrey]

Awesome post, ttango1.

If I recall correctly, you actually preferred one of the re-records to the original. I forget which it was though, but the post is in one of the original threads about them. So that has to say something for them!

Yeah, it speaks to either ttango's or saint john's lunacy and/or idiocy. (depending on who actually said it, st john or ttango). Seriously......I could start a poll...even here...asking what people prefered....the retreads or the originals. The folks in favor of the retreads will lose...and I gaurantee that it would turn into a biblical flame war over night.


I'm probably taking the retreads more seriously than most should....because I feel they were a 'tactical' mistake. But anyone that considers the retreads something groundbreaking (and anyone who claims they're better than the originals, is stating just that) is out of his or her mind....

[bluejeangirl76]

They were at a nice concert and went home all liqoured up, in the mood, b/c of Faithfully and nostalgia over music of their youth, to have sex, not to run home and dig around for a CD they probably have no idea where it is and do a song-to-song comparison.

And therein lies the diff, when Perry was singing our clothes just fell off

Shoot, that happened to me just this morning. AWYWI came on the radio while I was driving and my bra popped open. Friggin' Perry... making womens' apparel fall off since 1978.

[strangegrey]

Shoot, that happened to me just this morning. AWYWI came on the radio while I was driving and my bra popped open.

Damn....stop it. I need to study today!!!

[Jana]

Great post. Since many co-workers heard I was going to see Journey they came out of the woodworks saying how much they loved Perry, loved Journey, and yet these "fans" had no clue that Journey was still around, if Perry was alive or dead, and don't pull out the old music ever to listen to it or probably don't have it anymore.

I kept listening to the buzz around me after the concert (which was an amazing concert) when it became obvious most didn't know Arnel and it was all positive. All I heard either many said he sounded like Perry or that Perry was better but he was great, fantastic singer, whatever. They were at a nice concert and went home all liqoured up, in the mood, b/c of Faithfully and nostalgia over music of their youth, to have sex, not to run home and dig around for a CD they probably have no idea where it is and do a song-to-song comparison.

And therein lies the diff, when Perry was singing our clothes just fell off
and the sex was had before we even made it home!!!

Well, that can be said for most rock concerts in people's youth.

[Ligzig]

More people are buying the GH and Essential discs.

This will how it will continue to be. The hardcore followers are outnumbered.

I just wonder how much (if any) influence that blue sticker on the GH cd is having. The one that says "...featuring the original members of Journey..." (translation: featuring the original singer, which Sony isn't dumb enough to put on there but we all know that's what they mean... ).

I can't imagine it has much at all to do with it, since GH was 14x platinum already, long before the arrival of Arnel or the release of Revelation, but I still think it's funny, especially since Walmart has all those copies of Rev sitting around and just one of GH left with that sticker on it.

It's not a hard concept really. Perry is the original reason most, if not all Journey fans are even around. He is the foundation, every other singer builds and divides the fanbase a little more, the casual fans may enjoy that lineup or just "meh" and move on. Those GH CDs won't stop moving.

I support this lineup and the success they are having, but comparisons aren't really necessary....Enjoy it for what it is.

[bluejeangirl76]

Shoot, that happened to me just this morning. AWYWI came on the radio while I was driving and my bra popped open.

Damn....stop it. I need to study today!!!

Hey. Blame Steve Perry.

[Rhiannon]

They were at a nice concert and went home all liqoured up, in the mood, b/c of Faithfully and nostalgia over music of their youth, to have sex, not to run home and dig around for a CD they probably have no idea where it is and do a song-to-song comparison.

And therein lies the diff, when Perry was singing our clothes just fell off

Shoot, that happened to me just this morning. AWYWI came on the radio while I was driving and my bra popped open. Friggin' Perry... making womens' apparel fall off since 1978.

I was listening to "Keep on Runnin'" on my lunch and mindlessly took off my scarf. That count?

[bluejeangirl76]

They were at a nice concert and went home all liqoured up, in the mood, b/c of Faithfully and nostalgia over music of their youth, to have sex, not to run home and dig around for a CD they probably have no idea where it is and do a song-to-song comparison.

And therein lies the diff, when Perry was singing our clothes just fell off

Shoot, that happened to me just this morning. AWYWI came on the radio while I was driving and my bra popped open. Friggin' Perry... making womens' apparel fall off since 1978.

I was listening to "Keep on Runnin'" on my lunch and mindlessly took off my scarf. That count?

Yes.

I had a "Stay Awhile" / panties incident once... but maybe that belongs in the "embarrassing moments" thread?

(I never did find them. )

[strangegrey]

(I never did find them. )

Oh those? Send me your address, I'll mail em back to you...

[bluejeangirl76]

(I never did find them. )

Oh those? Send me your address, I'll mail em back to you...

Get off MR and go back to your studying. Perv!

[Rip Rokken]

Hell, I'm actually defending the little guy. I'm actually coming out and saying "Arnel's got a stacked deck against him, it's not fair"....and you still go after me... Who's being subjective here and who isnt?

Claiming to know what even casual fans would do is not objective, and flies in the face of these facts - successful album sales, successful tour, and mainstream acceptance of AP as the new singer for Journey. I think most casual fans would find this discussion silly, when there are so many other things in the world to worry about.

[ttango1]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

[Behshad]

Hell, I'm actually defending the little guy. I'm actually coming out and saying "Arnel's got a stacked deck against him, it's not fair"....and you still go after me... Who's being subjective here and who isnt?

Claiming to know what even casual fans would do is not objective, and flies in the face of these facts - successful album sales, successful tour, and mainstream acceptance of AP as the new singer for Journey. I think most casual fans would find this discussion silly, when there are so many other things in the world to worry about.

Are you suggesting that there are more important things in the world to worry about other than what we discuss here at MR? I dont belive you !

[bluejeangirl76]

Hell, I'm actually defending the little guy. I'm actually coming out and saying "Arnel's got a stacked deck against him, it's not fair"....and you still go after me... Who's being subjective here and who isnt?

Claiming to know what even casual fans would do is not objective, and flies in the face of these facts - successful album sales, successful tour, and mainstream acceptance of AP as the new singer for Journey. I think most casual fans would find this discussion silly, when there are so many other things in the world to worry about.

Are you suggesting that there are more important things in the world to worry about other than what we discuss here at MR? I dont belive you !

Oh no, did you Stop Believin'!? You're not supposed to do that, you know.

[Behshad]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

[Ligzig]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

LMAO

[Enigma869]

No to Rev being the best - Arrival is the class of post-Perry records, length and few unnecessary ballads and all. Not enough different style songs on Revelation to sink my teeth into compared to Arrival (Higher Place vs. Livin To Do vs. World Gone Wild vs Signs of Life vs We Will Meet Again vs Kiss Me Softly vs To Be Alive Again etc...). When you really think about it, song-to-song Arrival is a pretty stylistically diverse record, insofar as a melodic rock album from a band that's always been at the forefront of the genre can diversify their signature sound. That's what keeps me coming back.

Different strokes for different folks, my friend. I like "Arrival" and even like it a lot. That said, many of the songs on "Revelation" are very good (at least to me they are). I think that "Turn Down The World Tonight" trumps anything on "Arrival". I think for me...as much as I like "Arrival", it sorely lacked the power vocals, and because of that, it's tough to sell it as a "Journey" album to me. Because of Arnel's power vocals, it edges out "Arrival" (which was the only post-Perry album worth even listening to prior to "Revelation")!

[Behshad]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

LMAO

Jealous??? come up with your own posts and you may get some recognition for it as well

[Enigma869]

The band has been around long enough that there are people who grew up on Augeri

Dude...you're "missing the point"! Nobody "grew up on Augeri"! Even if their middle-aged, menopausal moms got them fired up over dreamy Stevie's red leather pants, nobody heard this fucking band when Augeri was in the band. You "grow up" on music that is out there in the public domain to be consumed. Journey had no music out there while Augeri was in the band!

or now, Arnel.

Right...Arnel has been in the band for 27 minutes, so it might be a bit premature to talk about people "growing up" with him in Journey. Hell, my son hasn't even celebrated his 3rd birthday yet, and even he's been around longer than Arnel

There was a young girl (ie ~13) behind me this year who knew every word to the hits. That's someone who may not have even been born the last time Perry released a Journey song. She knew the songs though. Sounds to me like a fan.

This entire point goes against the point you think you're trying to make. Sure people know Journey's "hits". I'm not sure what you think that has to do with Arnel, Augeri, Jeff, or a singer to be named later! They know the hits for one reason and one reason only...Perry's "ghost"!

[Ehwmatt]

No to Rev being the best - Arrival is the class of post-Perry records, length and few unnecessary ballads and all. Not enough different style songs on Revelation to sink my teeth into compared to Arrival (Higher Place vs. Livin To Do vs. World Gone Wild vs Signs of Life vs We Will Meet Again vs Kiss Me Softly vs To Be Alive Again etc...). When you really think about it, song-to-song Arrival is a pretty stylistically diverse record, insofar as a melodic rock album from a band that's always been at the forefront of the genre can diversify their signature sound. That's what keeps me coming back.

Different strokes for different folks, my friend. I like "Arrival" and even like it a lot. That said, many of the songs on "Revelation" are very good (at least to me they are). I think that "Turn Down The World Tonight" trumps anything on "Arrival". I think for me...as much as I like "Arrival", it sorely lacked the power vocals, and because of that, it's tough to sell it as a "Journey" album to me. Because of Arnel's power vocals, it edges out "Arrival" (which was the only post-Perry album worth even listening to prior to "Revelation")!

What do you think of my diversity of style thinking on Arrival? That's my biggest knock on Rev... the songs are homogenized. Though I've been critical of Arnel in the last week or so since Manila, I still think he's a huge talent and did a great job on Rev. Now, my personal taste in the songs aside, even if I liked all the songs equally on both albums, I think Arrival would win just because there's a lot of variety in song style.

[Ligzig]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

LMAO

Jealous??? come up with your own posts and you may get some recognition for it as well

[Ehwmatt]

No to Rev being the best - Arrival is the class of post-Perry records, length and few unnecessary ballads and all. Not enough different style songs on Revelation to sink my teeth into compared to Arrival (Higher Place vs. Livin To Do vs. World Gone Wild vs Signs of Life vs We Will Meet Again vs Kiss Me Softly vs To Be Alive Again etc...). When you really think about it, song-to-song Arrival is a pretty stylistically diverse record, insofar as a melodic rock album from a band that's always been at the forefront of the genre can diversify their signature sound. That's what keeps me coming back.

Different strokes for different folks, my friend. I like "Arrival" and even like it a lot. That said, many of the songs on "Revelation" are very good (at least to me they are). I think that "Turn Down The World Tonight" trumps anything on "Arrival". I think for me...as much as I like "Arrival", it sorely lacked the power vocals, and because of that, it's tough to sell it as a "Journey" album to me. Because of Arnel's power vocals, it edges out "Arrival" (which was the only post-Perry album worth even listening to prior to "Revelation")!

What do you think of my diversity of style thinking on Arrival? That's my biggest knock on Rev... the songs are homogenized. Though I've been critical of Arnel in the last week or so since Manila, I still think he's a huge talent and did a great job on Rev. Now, my personal taste in the songs aside, even if I liked all the songs equally on both albums, I think Arrival would win just because there's a lot of variety in song style.

[Red13JoePa]

Seriously......I could start a poll...even here...asking what people prefered....the retreads or the originals. The folks in favor of the retreads will lose...and I gaurantee that it would turn into a biblical flame war over night.

You know what side I would fall on.
I've actually reburnt all the albums on which a song(s) was redone on Revelation and replaced the original version with the Revelation version, Like my Escape now has the Revelation version of Open Arms and Stone In Love, Frontiers has the Revelation Separate Ways, etc. Only thing I didn't replace was the Generations version of FITH.

[Behshad]

Everyone I know likes Arnel and thinks he is the best Journey has had since Perry. Judging by some of the logic in this thread, I guess that equals how most Journey fans feel.

The fact is...your friends, and dedicated hardcore fans on Melodic rock don't equate to "most people". IMO most people go to concerts, hear Arnel and think about the memories of concerts or classic Journey songs and say "this guy is good" They don't know and don't even think about every breath/pronunciation/burp/fart/sneeze Perry did on each track like some of us here do. Think about the average joe Journey fan...you think he's gonna go home to his Traile....err, house, and pull out his huge Journey collection to make comparisons on the details?

I'm betting they hear what sounds like a damn good singer, and then they go home happy. Some don't even know Perry isn't there anymore, and couldn't care less.

BINGO!

Good call.
Oh and SG, I think your response was well written. I agree to disagree but on the whole, what B wrote up there is really succinct. The dedicated mr board is just like that. The rest of the world seems to not be judging by volume of people at sold out shows and the certified gold. Ok it ain't a million but in today's music where melodic rock does not rule the music scene AND an entire CD can be downloaded for free(Illegally I might add) with a click of a button, Gold is really good.

LMAO

Jealous??? come up with your own posts and you may get some recognition for it as well

[Lula]

Hell, I'm actually defending the little guy. I'm actually coming out and saying "Arnel's got a stacked deck against him, it's not fair"....and you still go after me... Who's being subjective here and who isnt?

Claiming to know what even casual fans would do is not objective, and flies in the face of these facts - successful album sales, successful tour, and mainstream acceptance of AP as the new singer for Journey. I think most casual fans would find this discussion silly, when there are so many other things in the world to worry about.

rip! this is what we're about! we bitch about the music, knock heads in the politiacal threads, and try to gross one another out. don't take away our reason for living

[Ehwmatt]

Seriously......I could start a poll...even here...asking what people prefered....the retreads or the originals. The folks in favor of the retreads will lose...and I gaurantee that it would turn into a biblical flame war over night.

You know what side I would fall on.
I've actually reburnt all the albums on which a song(s) was redone on Revelation and replaced the original version with the Revelation version, Like my Escape now has the Revelation version of Open Arms and Stone In Love, Frontiers has the Revelation Separate Ways, etc. Only thing I didn't replace was the Generations version of FITH.

Even if Perry were on these retreads outsinging himself, assuming the production quality was the same, I wouldn't go NEAR them.

[Behshad]

Hell, I'm actually defending the little guy. I'm actually coming out and saying "Arnel's got a stacked deck against him, it's not fair"....and you still go after me... Who's being subjective here and who isnt?

Claiming to know what even casual fans would do is not objective, and flies in the face of these facts - successful album sales, successful tour, and mainstream acceptance of AP as the new singer for Journey. I think most casual fans would find this discussion silly, when there are so many other things in the world to worry about.

rip! this is what we're about! we bitch about the music, knock heads in the politiacal threads, and try to gross one another out. don't take away our reason for living

Very True!!!
How long have you been waiting to post that smiley Lula???

[Enigma869]

What do you think of my diversity of style thinking on Arrival? That's my biggest knock on Rev... the songs are homogenized.

I think the diversity of style on Arrival is superb. As I said, I like the album and still listen to it. While Revelation is definitely not as diverse, it has ALWAYS come down to the guy singing for my ears, and Augeri simply doesn't have enough power in his voice. Truthfully, I'd like to hear Arnel sing every song on Arrival. Hell, if we're going to go the re-tread route, why not do it for Augeri as well (although I guess they already did with "Faith In The Heartland", which oddly, I like Augeri's version better)!