Dont believe the Naysayers...

[sonorstks]

I have followed Journey since the late 70's and would love more than anything for you know
who to grace us once again with the band. I am only 5 songs into Journey Live in Manila and do
yourself a favor and buy this for your collection. This is the best thing I have heard in years
from this band. Arnel is absolutely spectacular. For those that already have this, tune in at about 14mins 27secs
and you'll see why Neal didnt want to keep waiting for Perry. The man just wants to play. Plain and simple.
We need to enjoy it while it lasts...instead of bitching about who the lead singer is. Someday this whole train is gonna come
to the end of its line.

[Jana]

I have followed Journey since the late 70's and would love more than anything for you know
who to grace us once again with the band. I am only 5 songs into Journey Live in Manila and do
yourself a favor and buy this for your collection. This is the best thing I have heard in years
from this band. Arnel is absolutely spectacular. For those that already have this, tune in at about 14mins 27secs
and you'll see why Neal didnt want to keep waiting for Perry. The man just wants to play. Plain and simple.
We need to enjoy it while it lasts...instead of bitching about who the lead singer is. Someday this whole train is gonna come
to the end of its line.

I agree. It could happen at any time that for some reason this band is gone. They're in their fifties and also sixties. I have to say Journey music live leaves you on a high when you're leaving the concert. Give the band its due, they are highly talented musicians that are a joy to watch on stage. There's nothing like hearing their music live. I regret not going several more times this year.

[YoungJRNY]

I have followed Journey since the late 70's and would love more than anything for you know
who to grace us once again with the band. I am only 5 songs into Journey Live in Manila and do
yourself a favor and buy this for your collection. This is the best thing I have heard in years
from this band. Arnel is absolutely spectacular. For those that already have this, tune in at about 14mins 27secs
and you'll see why Neal didnt want to keep waiting for Perry. The man just wants to play. Plain and simple.
We need to enjoy it while it lasts...instead of bitching about who the lead singer is. Someday this whole train is gonna come
to the end of its line.

I think I just felt the presence of Jesus. Not really, that's just my balls. GREAT POST AND I AGREE 100%!

[Ehwmatt]

Sorry, the DVD is underwhelming. Diction issues suck and the audio and video work leave MUCH to be desired. Great setlist though. I'm about to pop it in again... only gonna revisit a few cuts though tonight. I want to give Turn Down The World Tonight another chance, as it's one of my faves but I thought it just had too much "space" in it live to really come off well, especially in the verses. Somehow Friga's piano and Neal's volume swells/single note leads fill a lot more space on the album.

[Enigma869]

Sorry, the DVD is underwhelming. Diction issues suck and the audio and video work leave MUCH to be desired. Great setlist though. I'm about to pop it in again... only gonna revisit a few cuts though tonight. I want to give Turn Down The World Tonight another chance, as it's one of my faves but I thought it just had too much "space" in it live to really come off well, especially in the verses. Somehow Friga's piano and Neal's volume swells/single note leads fill a lot more space on the album.

I'm agreeing with you WAY too much lately The setlist is undeniably SUPERB! That said, the production quality of this DVD is horrendous, in my opinion. The camera angles have zero flow to them and it is RIDICULOUSLY dark! I'm not going to pick on Arnel about his diction issues but I do agree with you that they are VERY noticeable! Again, it's only $10.00 so I don't regret buying it. I'm just stunned that the quality of the production is as poor as it is. It's basically the DVD version of "Generations" in the production department, and considering it sounds as if "Generations" was recorded in Neal's cement basement, that is definitely not a compliment! I'm actually very surprised that so many people are praising how good this DVD is. As DVD concerts go (and it's pretty much the only type of DVD's I ever purchase), it's quite mediocre!

[Ehwmatt]

Sorry, the DVD is underwhelming. Diction issues suck and the audio and video work leave MUCH to be desired. Great setlist though. I'm about to pop it in again... only gonna revisit a few cuts though tonight. I want to give Turn Down The World Tonight another chance, as it's one of my faves but I thought it just had too much "space" in it live to really come off well, especially in the verses. Somehow Friga's piano and Neal's volume swells/single note leads fill a lot more space on the album.

I'm agreeing with you WAY too much lately The setlist is undeniably SUPERB! That said, the production quality of this DVD is horrendous, in my opinion. The camera angles have zero flow to them and it is RIDICULOUSLY dark! I'm not going to pick on Arnel about his diction issues but I do agree with you that they are VERY noticeable! Again, it's only $10.00 so I don't regret buying it. I'm just stunned that the quality of the production is as poor as it is. It's basically the DVD version of "Generations" in the production department, and considering it sounds as if "Generations" was recorded in Neal's cement basement, that is definitely not a compliment! I'm actually very surprised that so many people are praising how good this DVD is. As DVD concerts go (and it's pretty much the only type of DVD's I ever purchase), it's quite mediocre!

I'm giving Disc 2 another whirl right now and one thing I've noticed that bugs me more about Arnel's diction issues aside from the accent is the way he extends his lines over what was originally a beautiful call and response type thing between SP and Neal. For example, all throughout Faithfully when Neal is supposed to "respond" to the verses, Arnel is still draggin the note/word out for way too long. Now, some might call that a phrasing issue, and with another singer, I might agree... but I firmly believe this is part of Arnel's language problem. It really ruins the flow of Faithfully for me on here.

And there is some DEFINITE strain creeping in to that high register... very noticeable on the beginning of DSB and throughout Escape, especially the part where he has to go way high up for the "I'm on my WAYYYYYYYYY-YyyyY-YYY" - he strains terribly on all of them.

I still think DSB is laughably bad on here.. the "adlib" outro is so godawful Neal and Friga oughta be flushing 20 shades of red on there.

But the production problem is really the deal breaker for me. The mix is flat as hell. My live records/DVDs should have some OOMPH to them. This honestly just sounds like I'm listening to a decent mixed studio CD on mid-low volume on say... a car stereo. Not a nice 5.1 system like I've got. I tried the stereo mix, not much better... let's face it, they dropped the ball. It's nowhere near the shit quality of Generations speaking on a 1:1 comparison, but in the Journey world, DVD to CD, that's a pretty good analogy I'd say. I own well over 250 music DVDs, so I know what a good one sounds and looks like. This ain't one of 'em.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

But the production problem is really the deal breaker for me. The mix is flat as hell. My live records/DVDs should have some OOMPH to them. This honestly just sounds like I'm listening to a decent mixed studio CD on mid-low volume on say... a car stereo. Not a nice 5.1 system like I've got. I tried the stereo mix, not much better... let's face it, they dropped the ball. It's nowhere near the shit quality of Generations speaking on a 1:1 comparison, but in the Journey world, DVD to CD, that's a pretty good analogy I'd say. I own well over 250 music DVDs, so I know what a good one sounds and looks like. This ain't one of 'em.

Agreed on the sound quality. It is simply not good. Especially for being mixed by Kevin Shirley. I feel like his recordings usually have more "fill" to them. I'm not an audiophile and I can't speak about it technically, but it just doesn't sound right.

[Pelata]

As for quality...wasn't it filmed for Phillipines TV and put on DVD as an afterthought?

[Ehwmatt]

As for quality...wasn't it filmed for Phillipines TV and put on DVD as an afterthought?

That's certainly news to me if so... Why the supposed uber-high quality cameras all over the place if so?

[la michelona]

Sorry, the DVD is underwhelming. Diction issues suck and the audio and video work leave MUCH to be desired. Great setlist though. I'm about to pop it in again... only gonna revisit a few cuts though tonight. I want to give Turn Down The World Tonight another chance, as it's one of my faves but I thought it just had too much "space" in it live to really come off well, especially in the verses. Somehow Friga's piano and Neal's volume swells/single note leads fill a lot more space on the album.

Yeah, could someone PULEEEEEEEZE teach Jon how to say Pineda???? I mean, it's one freakin' name for Pete's sake! And hell, he's had like 2 freakin' years to get it down!

[Saint John]

As for quality...wasn't it filmed for Phillipines TV and put on DVD as an afterthought?

No. It is well known that they were going to film the DVD and Kevin Shirley was on hand to lend assistance.

[Peartree12249]

Maybe they should have gotten Steve Perry to mix it for them. Live in Houston sounds great!

[Ehwmatt]

Maybe they should have gotten Steve Perry to mix it for them. Live in Houston sounds great!

It really is sad that something that was well over two decades old turned out substantially better than this modern-day recording.

[Peartree12249]

Maybe they should have gotten Steve Perry to mix it for them. Live in Houston sounds great!

It really is sad that something that was well over two decades old turned out substantially better than this modern-day recording.

That's what happens when you try to go for the quick buck instead of doing things right. Perry might have been a royal pain in the ass because of his perfectionism, but it paid off didn't it?

[inaweofschon]

I'm not too picky. I love the new DVD. The only thing I don't like is the end of Stone in Love. Freeking train wreck.

[steveo777]

Caveat Emptor! What we all enjoyed back in the day is not coming back. Some people choose to stay on the train and remain fans, the others don't. That in itself is ok, but some let the bitterness overcome them and they just can't handle it when others are excited and talking on this forum. Fortunately, we fans have the right to post about our positive experiences and feelings about the band now. I've been called an Arneliot. (Not sure that's a bad thing) I take that term of endearment to mean someone who just became a fan after Arnel Joined the band. Those calling me that just because I'm a fan of the current lineup couldn't be further off base. I have been a Journey fan since 1980, the year my son was born. My interest in Journey peaked again when Arnel joined the band because, frankly, he is the best thing to come to Journey since SP left. I respect SA because he got the band thru to this point. I also respect JSS, but was not a fan of him singing Journey. I really felt that it was time to state my present and historical positions on Journey. I'm excited about what is happening now, that I have new materials to listen to and watch, concerts to see and it's really cool seeing Journey gel together as a band. They seem really close knit and it seems like they treat Arnel like a baby brother. That harmonious cohesiveness is going to take them far, albeit, not to the 80's heyday.

That all said, critiquing is one thing, but some of the comments out here are simply bitter hatred and resentment, as well as clear trolling to disrupt any positve experience current fans might be having. Those types can fuck off as far as I care. The fanbase is going to continue to grow with or without them. I'm gonna enjoy the ride while it lasts. Nobody is taking that away!

[JRNYFan]

Diction issues this, crappy DVD that. The list goes on. Can this band do anything right, post-1983, with you people?

[kgdjpubs]

Diction issues this, crappy DVD that. The list goes on. Can this band do anything right, post-1983, with you people?

probably not. If Perry returned and they released a live dvd, people would complain that Perry doesn't sound like he did in '81/'83.

As far as the dvd goes, it was shot with very expensive cameras. That means the raw footage should be pretty spectacular. The issue people are having is the transfer. For the price, it's hard to complain, but the quality MAY have been a Wal-Mart decision, not a Journey decision. Even in SD, that picture should look much better than it does. Nothing a Blu-Ray release can't fix, so the question becomes....when is it?

[The Sushi Hunter]

So what's a "naysayer", what exactly does that mean?

[Esc]

...the production quality of this DVD is horrendous, in my opinion. The camera angles have zero flow to them and it is RIDICULOUSLY dark!
...As DVD concerts go (and it's pretty much the only type of DVD's I ever purchase), it's quite mediocre!

you're not alone on this one.
while i have only watched through youtube, i could tell that the production was mediocre.
the camera shots are too random.
i dont know if they purposely did it but some camera shots were shaking.
making it look like a freakin' bootleg.

[steveo777]

...the production quality of this DVD is horrendous, in my opinion. The camera angles have zero flow to them and it is RIDICULOUSLY dark!
...As DVD concerts go (and it's pretty much the only type of DVD's I ever purchase), it's quite mediocre!

you're not alone on this one.
while i have only watched through youtube, i could tell that the production was mediocre.
the camera shots are too random.
i dont know if they purposely did it but some camera shots were shaking.
making it look like a freakin' bootleg.

LOL, the videos on youtube are taken by fans, not the production crew. Don't judge anything by what you see on youtube.

I'm also gonna lay a bet that people who are saying this is a terrible DVD are probably watching a bootleg.

[Esc]

...the production quality of this DVD is horrendous, in my opinion. The camera angles have zero flow to them and it is RIDICULOUSLY dark!
...As DVD concerts go (and it's pretty much the only type of DVD's I ever purchase), it's quite mediocre!

you're not alone on this one.
while i have only watched through youtube, i could tell that the production was mediocre.
the camera shots are too random.
i dont know if they purposely did it but some camera shots were shaking.
making it look like a freakin' bootleg.

LOL, the videos on youtube are taken by fans, not the production crew. Don't judge anything by what you see on youtube.

I'm also gonna lay a bet that people who are saying this is a terrible DVD are probably watching a bootleg.

nah, i watched the dvd uploads.

[strangegrey]

I'll wait until Wally is blowing em out for $2 a pop....

[Pelata]

Diction issues this, crappy DVD that. The list goes on. Can this band do anything right, post-1983, with you people?

They did...

Raised On Radio
Trial By Fire
Arrival
Live 2001 DVD
Generations
The 1998 & 1999 tours...

All killer stuff, IMO...

[Enigma869]

I'm also gonna lay a bet that people who are saying this is a terrible DVD are probably watching a bootleg.

Not a bet you'd win with me. Unless Journey put the bootleg out on DVD at Wal-Mart, I'm watching a shit production. If you love it...that's great for you. Some of you people need to stop getting your panties in a wad just because someone doesn't bow down and worship everything that Journey puts out. I'm fairly certain the band didn't produce the video, so the criticism for me is really aimed at whomever they hired to produce this DVD. I do think the band should take a bit more pride in the product they're allowing to be released.

[Behshad]

As for quality...wasn't it filmed for Phillipines TV and put on DVD as an afterthought?

No. It is well known that they were going to film the DVD and Anne Shirley was on hand to lend assistance.

[EightyRock]

Some of you people need to stop getting your panties in a wad just because someone doesn't bow down and worship everything that Journey puts out. I'm fairly certain the band didn't produce the video, so the criticism for me is really aimed at whomever they hired to produce this DVD. I do think the band should take a bit more pride in the product they're allowing to be released.

Exactly. Unless....Schon & Cain didn't hear the finished product prior to the release. Who's gonna pop up and say THAT happened??? It's beginning to look like there was a bigger reason why Perry was always sitting at the mixing board w/ Shirley. At least there was somebody back then who gave a shit what Journey slapped their names on. It either sounded first class, or somebody was gettin' a fire extinguisher upside the head!

[Michigan Girl]

Some of you people need to stop getting your panties in a wad just because someone doesn't bow down and worship everything that Journey puts out. I'm fairly certain the band didn't produce the video, so the criticism for me is really aimed at whomever they hired to produce this DVD. I do think the band should take a bit more pride in the product they're allowing to be released.

Exactly. Unless....Schon & Cain didn't hear the finished product prior to the release. Who's gonna pop up and say THAT happened??? It's beginning to look like there was a bigger reason why Perry was always sitting at the mixing board w/ Shirley. At least there was somebody back then who gave a shit what Journey slapped their names on. It either sounded first class, or somebody was gettin' a fire extinguisher upside the head!

I agree...it all makes sense and was very much worth the effort!!!

[strangegrey]

Personally, I think Shirley is a fucking gad-awful producer. Maybe it's his love of scotch...or it's just that he's got ears made of fucking rocks. But seriously, I think he's awful.

I'd love to hear what Journey would've done with Arnel without Shirley fucking up the mix....Revelation might be more palatable to me.

Sometimes a band needs to shake up it's creative overseer. Dream Theater is in a desperate need to do this by giving the production control back to someone other that Portnoy and Petrucci. (Ironically, DT used Shirley for a few albums) I think the same thing is needed with Journey...

[Esc]

but an audio CD extract of this DVD would totaly rock.