Enigma869 wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:This wasn't a game that New England proved how great they are, but a Tennessee team who is 0-6 that proved they are nothing but losers and were NOT ready to play under those conditions or any other condition for that matter.
Dude...I'm not here to claim the Patriots are great. This is not a "great" team. Not even close. They're a good team who I believe will be a top three AFC team by the end of the season! That wasn't my point. Brady is a GREAT, all time QB, period, end of story. If you look at his numbers right now, he has the same career completion percentage as Montana, the same number of trophies as Montana, and will have FAR more TD's and yards than Montana when he's done playing (he's already not far off, and Montana played twice as many seasons as Brady has thusfar)! I know you're not even old enough to remember the glory days of Montana and Marino but I remember them well. I don't know a single person outside of Miami who would say that Marino was a better QB, but if you simply look at the statistics, Marino is WAY ahead of Montana in the stats department!
YoungJRNY wrote: I still Put Manning 1, and Brady 2. With Brady throwing to wide open receivers in a snow storm doesn't change my mind of the fact that I think Manning is better overall at the position.
That's okay dude. I'm just here to set you straight and also here to tell you that just because you admittedly "hate" Brady doesnt' make Manning better. Here's the thing...You obviously love football and understand it. There is absolutely NOTHING to give Manning the nod on over Brady. Their stats are very comparable. Manning has played with FAR better players on offense over his career than Brady could have ever dreamed of playing with. Manning doesn't have a single NFL record over Brady, and Manning has two fewer rings. Other than your personal pissy feelings about Brady, there is simply NO reason on the planet to say that Manning is the better QB. Before I come across as bashing Manning, let me make it VERY clear that he's one of the best QB I've ever seen in my life! He's a great NFL QB but in my honest opinion, I think Manning has been a perennial underachiever in the playoffs. He played with FAR too many great players to have only one ring! While Brady was busy winning Super Bowls with the likes of Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Patten, David Givens, Antowoin Smith, et. al., Manning was busy losing playoff games with Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Edgerrin James! Luckily for me, it's a good thing you don't write the NFL history books, because if you did, they wouldn't accurately reflect reality!
As for the Titans...you'll get zero argument from me. They're a DREADFUL team. That said, I've watched thousands of football games in my life and I've NEVER seen any team put up that many points in those conditions. While you're busy telling me how awful the Titans are (and again, we don't disagree), let's not forget that this is the same Titans team that your Steelers barely beat (13-10 if I remember correctly) in perfect weather conditions! Apparently as bad as the Titans are, the Steelers still couldn't score more than a single TD on them!
Isn't that too easy of an argument to make? You clearly want to just want to hear yourself talk on this one. The first week of the NFL season shouldn't be compared to that of a game 6 weeks into a season. The first weeks of the season you don't know what you have from teams & rust is clearly an understatement when coming into Week 1. Any NFL team really only sees a minimal amount of reps in the pre-season, and only play MAYBE into the 3rd quarter into the 3rd game of the pre-season anyhow, so making the argument that the Steelers only hanging 13 on Tennessee in Week 1 and N.E putting up 59 in a snow storm ( To which it CLEARLY hurt Tennessee more than it helped N.E) in Week 6 isnt really saying that much since teams are still trying to find their feet and identity coming into an NFL season. Plus, emotions were running high from the previous year, and the Champs always have that target on their back and will get everyone best shot. Another thing, Tennessee and the Steelers matchup and play the same style of football, so you would expect it to be a close game to begin with, EVERY TIME.
If you want to play that silly little game, then how do you explain New England BARELY SQUEAKING by The Bills (Where they should of lost in the first place) and only putting up 9 points to a team that lost to the Bills (The Jets), who put up 16 against the Jets when The Pats could only put up 9? So does this mean that the Bills are better than New England because #1 they should of beat the Pats and #2 they beat the Jets, who already wiped the floor with the Pats once already? That logic is simply retarded, and I'm not buying into what you're saying.
John, stats are a huge part of this game, and I respect you basing EVERYTHING upon EVERYTHING off of stats, but to me, that isn't the only indicator not only when it comes to teams winning percentages, but personal percentages. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are working in absolute completely different systems that are suited for their style of play. Without getting much into it, I don't think Brady would be as successful (as Manning would be) in a Indianapolis style offense, while I think Manning could not miss a beat in Tom Brady's dink and dunk offense all day long. Yes, Brady holds most of the stats over Manning, but I believe Manning earned those stats with more, pin point throws down the field rather than Brady dunking it to his receivers, and them gaining his net yards on the yards after the catch.
Another thing, when talking Superbowls. Tom Brady didn't actually WIN Super Bowls in the same fashion as to say, Montana did for his 9'ers. Adam Vinatieri was the one knocking in those kicks left and right and if it wasn't for him, Brady could be ringless! All Brady had to do was dink and dunk his way into field goal range, and Vinatieri kicked his way to put the ring on his finger. Guess what, I'm going to go here! Tom Brady didn't even do what Roethlisberger did in a Super Bowl, and that was throwing the game winning touchdown! UHOHHHHHHH
dude,, im 42 ..
