SIZE 4 is now "too FAT"....???

[JasonD]

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

NUmber one, half that shit on those shows is fake. Number two, with the ones that are real, and yeah there's plenty of that, be it on TV or otherwise, well, that's a whole other faction of stupidity that my mind isn't capable of handling. Guy cheats = guys is a scumbag. End of story. Some women aren't smart enough for that. It's easier for them to accept that some other woman did the damage and blame her than blame the lowlife that stuck it where it didn't belong.

And yeah, they're always fighting over the worst piece of shit guy ever, aren't they? There's the self-esteem thing again though. Some women don't think they can do any better and they will fight to the end with some other tramp to keep their piece of crap. "He a piece of crap, but he MY piece of crap, beeeyotch!!"

I totally agree with you here. Be still my heart. This is a first. (I think.)

[*Laura]

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

LOL...Come on, I've seen enough fights between gays (and lesbians, too) to tell you that they have the same dramas as heteros do.

[stevew2]

In defense of men; however, I have to say that it isn't entirely men's fault that women are made to feel as if they need to look like Barbie. Women are their own worst enemies a lot of the times & they can be highly competitive & jealous of one another's boyfriends, beauty, boobs, clothes, figures & so on.

And where do you think the competitiveness and jealousy started? Would women act that way if they felt comfortable, if they felt like they weren't fighting a losing battle against the 36-24-36 mentality? Take men in general.... you have a woman with an Anna Nicole rack and in the same room you have the President of the itty bitty titty committee.... who is going to get the attention from the men? The one with the bigger IQ? Maybe in the long run... but right off the bat, no.

I'm not saying all men do this, but I see very few men, in general, railing against this preconception. On this board alone is all about tits and ass, and who has a half naked cheerleader in their avatar, or Behshad's ever-changing animated bouncers. And it starts young! I don't know where little girls even get it, except maybe TV, but my neices, at ages 5 and 8, were stuffing nerf balls under thier shirts because they wanted "boobies".

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

[JasonD]

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

LOL...Come on, I've seen enough fights between gays (and lesbians, too) to tell you that they have the same dramas as heteros do.

Real life or on TV?

Kidding aside, I can't speak for lesbians, but guys don't hold grudges the same as women do. That's not a jab at women. It's just that when guys fight, they punch each other a few times, get it outta their system, then they go out & have a beer together. All is forgotten after that.

[JasonD]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

[stevew2]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

I ve seen gay guys fight ,they are worse than girls, you know its true Jason .Try eating Lucky Charms

[JasonD]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

I ve seen gay guys fight ,they are worse than girls, you know its true Jason .Try eating Lucky Charms

I thought you said you were going to bed. Must I come & tuck you in?

[artist4perry]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

I ve seen gay guys fight ,they are worse than girls, you know its true Jason .Try eating Lucky Charms

I thought you said you were going to bed. Must I come & tuck you in?

Same arguement.........different day.

[artist4perry]

Goodnight Jason and SteveW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MngGyN8Q294

[stevew2]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

I ve seen gay guys fight ,they are worse than girls, you know its true Jason .Try eating Lucky Charms

I thought you said you were going to bed. Must I come & tuck you in?

You aint tuckin my stool in you fucker lol ,and i aint givin you no reach arond either

[*Laura]

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

LOL...Come on, I've seen enough fights between gays (and lesbians, too) to tell you that they have the same dramas as heteros do.

Real life or on TV?

Kidding aside, I can't speak for lesbians, but guys don't hold grudges the same as women do. That's not a jab at women. It's just that when guys fight, they punch each other a few times, get it outta their system, then they go out & have a beer together. All is forgotten after that.

Real life. I have some gay friends and they go through the same emotional problems as heteros do. But I agree that men react differently when they fight, meaning that they are done faster and forgive/forget easier. But the "beyotch-ness" factor is there, just like in a hetero fight.

[JasonD]

My point exactly. Even though women KNOW men are shallow & they put this kind of pressure on them, they rally against ONE ANOTHER, thus proving to men that they can be coerced into anything. They need to stick together & forget that deadbeat low-life.

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

God, I'm glad I'm gay. There's too much drama with you heteros.

Jason, try wackin off ,get your junk off doing that,and focus on mere important shit,gay guys are much more jealous than girls, go the fuck to bed like im going to do

I find it funny how a straight guy wants to tell me what gay guys are like.

Love ya, Steve.

Nite, nite.

I ve seen gay guys fight ,they are worse than girls, you know its true Jason .Try eating Lucky Charms

I thought you said you were going to bed. Must I come & tuck you in?

You aint tuckin my stool in you fucker lol ,and i aint givin you no reach arond either

And just so I can entertain artist4perry & Portland, let me say.....


My heart will go on without you. Just like that chick & that dude in the Titanic. I will always love you, Steve, no matter how many miles separate us. You are always on my mind. I'm leaving my porch light on just for you.

[cyndy!]

And just so I can entertain artist4perry & Portland, let me say.....

My heart will go on without you. Just like that chick & that dude in the Titanic. I will always love you, Steve, no matter how many miles separate us. You are always on my mind. I'm leaving my porch light on just for you.

that is so sweet! warm & fuzzy, like a wombat.

[stevew2]

Well dont be going away Jason, Ill find you

[KDOUBLEU]

Well dont be going away Jason, Ill find you

Its nice to see how much you two really care about each other.

[stevew2]

Well dont be going away Jason, Ill find you

Its nice to see how much you two really care about each other.

I like jason he is a good guy, thats public knowledge

[KDOUBLEU]

Well dont be going away Jason, Ill find you

Its nice to see how much you two really care about each other.

I like jason he is a good guy, thats public knowledge

Youre a good guy too steve2 even though you try to hide it!

[Liquid_Drummer]

Full shot:

even WORSE....

WHat Heroin can do for you ! Ask your talent agent if Heroin is right for you !

[Deb]

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

NUmber one, half that shit on those shows is fake. Number two, with the ones that are real, and yeah there's plenty of that, be it on TV or otherwise, well, that's a whole other faction of stupidity that my mind isn't capable of handling. Guy cheats = guys is a scumbag. End of story. Some women aren't smart enough for that. It's easier for them to accept that some other woman did the damage and blame her than blame the lowlife that stuck it where it didn't belong.

And yeah, they're always fighting over the worst piece of shit guy ever, aren't they? There's the self-esteem thing again though. Some women don't think they can do any better and they will fight to the end with some other tramp to keep their piece of crap. "He a piece of crap, but he MY piece of crap, beeeyotch!!"

Agreed on the self esteem issue. Some women can't stand to be alone for any length of time, so they'd rather be with a POS guy and even fight for him yet?!

[Ehwmatt]

It's just like when you watch these Jerry Springer type shows where some woman's man cheats on her with another woman & the host brings both women & the man out on stage & the same thing always happens: The women cat fight one another & out come the claws & both of them are ripping each other's weaves out screaming, "He's going home with ME." "No, he's going home with ME!!!!," shouts the other. Meanwhile, I'm sitting at home grubbing down my Cherrios thinking, "Why do either one of you want that piece of crap?" & why is the wife madder at the other woman than she is at her "man"? HE'S the one that cheated on her, not the other woman. She should be ripping HIS head off before she goes after the other woman.

NUmber one, half that shit on those shows is fake. Number two, with the ones that are real, and yeah there's plenty of that, be it on TV or otherwise, well, that's a whole other faction of stupidity that my mind isn't capable of handling. Guy cheats = guys is a scumbag. End of story. Some women aren't smart enough for that. It's easier for them to accept that some other woman did the damage and blame her than blame the lowlife that stuck it where it didn't belong.

And yeah, they're always fighting over the worst piece of shit guy ever, aren't they? There's the self-esteem thing again though. Some women don't think they can do any better and they will fight to the end with some other tramp to keep their piece of crap. "He a piece of crap, but he MY piece of crap, beeeyotch!!"

Agreed on the self esteem issue. Some women can't stand to be alone for any length of time, so they'd rather be with a POS guy and even fight for him yet?!

I know guys who can't stand to be alone either. It's a bad trait to have unless you get lucky and fall right into the arms of the right person.

[bluejeangirl76]

Agreed on the self esteem issue. Some women can't stand to be alone for any length of time, so they'd rather be with a POS guy and even fight for him yet?!

I know guys who can't stand to be alone either. It's a bad trait to have unless you get lucky and fall right into the arms of the right person.

...or what you think is the right person. I think that's where a lot of problems start... all it takes is one decent sized smackdown (not literally) and people who were just fine before the relationship start wondering what they did or why they weren't good enough... then, wham - self esteem gone. Or at least damaged. And next thing you know, you fall into all the appearance stuff... it's a terrible cycle.

I have a former friend who has such an epic problem about being alone that she won't let go of one guy while she's starting something up with a new one... clings to horrible relationships, and I mean true nightmare situations, just so she won't be alone. She's been with this one a-hole now for 3 years - hits her, talks down to her, never had any respect for her... keeps her around because he's been trying for all this time to talk her into marrying him for papers... he doesn't love her... but she's been convinced all this time that he does and that one day he will have this big turnaround. WRONG! What you see is more or less what you get. You can cry and yell all you want, it isn't going to change the way someone treats you. But she would never get that through her head. And he's ugly as fuck too. Which normally I wouldn't even mention, but I really hate this guy. Seriously, it hurts to look at this guy. I never got what she saw in him, because looks aside, there's nothing else there. He's 100% pricktacular, but I can at least give her points for overlooking looks. I guess.

[Ehwmatt]

Agreed on the self esteem issue. Some women can't stand to be alone for any length of time, so they'd rather be with a POS guy and even fight for him yet?!

I know guys who can't stand to be alone either. It's a bad trait to have unless you get lucky and fall right into the arms of the right person.

...or what you think is the right person. I think that's where a lot of problems start... all it takes is one decent sized smackdown (not literally) and people who were just fine before the relationship start wondering what they did or why they weren't good enough... then, wham - self esteem gone. Or at least damaged. And next thing you know, you fall into all the appearance stuff... it's a terrible cycle.

I have a former friend who has such an epic problem about being alone that she won't let go of one guy while she's starting something up with a new one... clings to horrible relationships, and I mean true nightmare situations, just so she won't be alone. She's been with this one a-hole now for 3 years - hits her, talks down to her, never had any respect for her... keeps her around because he's been trying for all this time to talk her into marrying him for papers... he doesn't love her... but she's been convinced all this time that he does and that one day he will have this big turnaround. WRONG! What you see is more or less what you get. You can cry and yell all you want, it isn't going to change the way someone treats you. But she would never get that through her head. And he's ugly as fuck too. Which normally I wouldn't even mention, but I really hate this guy. Seriously, it hurts to look at this guy. I never got what she saw in him, because looks aside, there's nothing else there. He's 100% pricktacular, but I can at least give her points for overlooking looks. I guess.

If he's hittin her, sounds like she needs some interventionary aid.

I was talking about more benign situations where guys/girls get themselves into relationships where it just ain't working, whether it be not enough in common, one person is controlling, etc. etc... yet try and convince themselves that it's right. My best friend from college just sprung for a house and he's not much older than me (in other words, he has been out working for about a year, there's no way he even managed to save the $ for the down payment he made).

I know he co-signed with his girlfriend and she's cool in some ways, but has a lot of shadiness in her past and she's controlling. I'm fuckin worried about him, I really don't think it's gonna work long-term and I think he just made a giant fuckin mistake.

[bluejeangirl76]

...or what you think is the right person. I think that's where a lot of problems start... all it takes is one decent sized smackdown (not literally) and people who were just fine before the relationship start wondering what they did or why they weren't good enough... then, wham - self esteem gone. Or at least damaged. And next thing you know, you fall into all the appearance stuff... it's a terrible cycle.

I have a former friend who has such an epic problem about being alone that she won't let go of one guy while she's starting something up with a new one... clings to horrible relationships, and I mean true nightmare situations, just so she won't be alone. She's been with this one a-hole now for 3 years - hits her, talks down to her, never had any respect for her... keeps her around because he's been trying for all this time to talk her into marrying him for papers... he doesn't love her... but she's been convinced all this time that he does and that one day he will have this big turnaround. WRONG! What you see is more or less what you get. You can cry and yell all you want, it isn't going to change the way someone treats you. But she would never get that through her head. And he's ugly as fuck too. Which normally I wouldn't even mention, but I really hate this guy. Seriously, it hurts to look at this guy. I never got what she saw in him, because looks aside, there's nothing else there. He's 100% pricktacular, but I can at least give her points for overlooking looks. I guess.

If he's hittin her, sounds like she needs some interventionary aid.

I was talking about more benign situations where guys/girls get themselves into relationships where it just ain't working, whether it be not enough in common, one person is controlling, etc. etc... yet try and convince themselves that it's right.

To be honest, she's been known to fight physically with him, too, and intervening will help nothing. I tried that several times. She doesn't listen. She's convinced herself that this is right and that it will improve. She decided that because he couldn't/wouldn'tmarry her (religion being the reason) that she would convert to his religion. He told her it wasn't good enough, the faith would not accept it, and she did it anyway. He's only hung onto her because he sees she can be controlled and he wants his papers. She stayed because she can't be alone and has fooled herself into believing he loves her. This is how all her relationships are. She clung to the last a-hole in the same manner. Maybe she's not with this guy now, I'm not sure, but knowing her methods... I'm reasonably sure she's still clinging to him.

[Ehwmatt]

Well, no offense then, but she just sounds like an idiot.

[bluejeangirl76]

Well, no offense then, but she just sounds like an idiot.

She is.

[Rhiannon]

Well, no offense then, but she just sounds like an idiot.

I've had the displeasure of meeting this chick, and you just hit the nail on the head.
(Sorry Kim, but she so is.)

[bluejeangirl76]

Well, no offense then, but she just sounds like an idiot.

I've had the displeasure of meeting this chick, and you just hit the nail on the head.
(Sorry Kim, but she so is.)

LOL, why are you apologizing? You know what I think of her. Not a good person. Not good at all.

[Rhiannon]

LOL, why are you apologizing? You know what I think of her. Not a good person. Not good at all.

Cuz that's just what I do.
And you know what I think of her and her situation with Borat. She totally deserves it at this point and should get no sympathy. She's obviously a sycophant who hangs on for the attention, crutch, pity parties, and such. She's had plenty of opportunities. Maybe if she'd get off her lardass, stop buying all those Marc Jacobs bags and invest some time into philanthropy instead of narcissism she'd find herself in a better place. But she's not caught in a vicious cycle, she IS the vicious cycle. So, yeah. F her.

[bluejeangirl76]

LOL, why are you apologizing? You know what I think of her. Not a good person. Not good at all.

Cuz that's just what I do.
And you know what I think of her and her situation with Borat. She totally deserves it at this point and should get no sympathy. She's obviously a sycophant who hangs on for the attention, crutch, pity parties, and such. She's had plenty of opportunities. Maybe if she'd get off her lardass, stop buying all those Marc Jacobs bags and invest some time into philanthropy instead of narcissism she'd find herself in a better place. But she's not caught in a vicious cycle, she IS the vicious cycle. So, yeah. F her.

To return this to the general vicinity of the topic at hand - vanity sizing - this chick is a good example of it. Buying 10s and 12s... her real size is 16. But so many times we were shopping and she was buying much smaller sizes. And that's what these clothiers do, especially in the current economy... they call a 16 a 12 and they sell more because "Omg, look I can wear a 12 now, I have lost 2 sizes, now I need all new clothes!!" and presto - profits are up.

[Rhiannon]

To return this to the general vicinity of the topic at hand - vanity sizing - this chick is a good example of it. Buying 10s and 12s... her real size is 16. But so many times we were shopping and she was buying much smaller sizes. And that's what these clothiers do, especially in the current economy... they call a 16 a 12 and they sell more because "Omg, look I can wear a 12 now, I have lost 2 sizes, now I need all new clothes!!" and presto - profits are up.

The vanity sizing has gotten out of control. I'm the same size I was in 1998. Then I was wearing a 9/10... now at the same store I wear a 3/4. I tried on a pair of 1/2's just to humor myself and I could even get them on, buttoned, and zipped (they don't "fit"... and newsflash to people like Princess just cause it goes on doesn't mean it fits) and I'm no 1/2. I'm not even a 3/4... or a 5/6... but that's what the tags say.

Comparison point, I still have jeans from high school, their tags say 9, I hold them up next to "today's" 3/4 and there is very little difference in fabric measurement except for the rise. That's a pretty stark difference for only 8 years.

Meanwhile, designers keep being generous in the tags and society keeps getting fatter. Why lose weight? We're all bound to be 0's sooner or later anyway.