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Postby Voyager » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:56 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:It is unbelievable to me that crap like this goes on. Is this not the same group of people that WANTED to be integrated and not kept separate? But still we have so many "black only" events, groups, places, schools, etc. The BET channel? But you label ANYTHING "white only", even your effin' sock drawer, and your ass is gonna get sued, and Jesse is gonna show up and eat your soul. Go ahead, start up a WET television channel... White Entertainment Television... and watch what happens.



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LOL - I saw this on the WET Channel last night:

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Postby Deb » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:00 am

Michigan Girl wrote:I swear...I absolutely KNEW^^^^was going to happen!!! :wink:
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Postby Voyager » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:06 am

You knew this was coming:

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Postby T-Bone » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:15 am

We just went through this in my home town a few weeks ago. There was a dress up day at school and many white kids dressed up as "wangsters" (white gangsters) and they wore overly baggy pants with the boxers showing along with big baggy jerseys and shirts and then topped it off with a sideways cocked hat. Needless to say the few blacks we have at the school started screaming racism and such and made a scene. Of course the school officials decided to quick step in before a lawsuit from an oversealous lawyer came flying and they made a statement to the media and made the term "wangster" into "wigger". I guess looking at them, it would definately change the perception of what really happaned. The comments section was chauk full of interesting takes on the situation as well as a few morons posting when they shouldn't. The basic jest I got was more of the fact that people wear clothes. Who decides if they "belong" to a certain race and others can't wear them without being titled a racist? It goes well beyond stupid. The other thing I caught was that it seems certain people within our community seem to be crybabies and look for things to bitch about to get attention. It's funny how they can have things like Black Colleges, Black Scholorships, Black Entertainment Television, and other things designed for blacks, but if ol' whitey thinks about this, he'll get sued for hurting someones feelings. Sometimes I feel as if the REVERSE Rasism in this country is 2x the regular racism




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Some Red Wing High School students struck a racial nerve last week, drawing a stern rebuke from members of the black community and school administration.

Dozens of students on Wednesday donned clothing and exhibited behavior that black students found demeaning, said LaVergne Dickerson, advocacy coordinator for the African American Literacy Project of Red Wing.

"'Wigger Day' or Wangster Day,' terms translated to 'Winger Nigger' and 'Winger Gangster Day' were interpreted to be a mocking of low-class African American citizens," she said, reading from a letter at Monday's Red Wing School Board meeting.

Principal Beth Borgen said 60 or 70 white students — upperclassmen boys and girls — wore doo rags, ball caps cocked to one side, oversized sports jerseys and shorts, and low-slung pants. The look is popular in hip-hop culture.

Borgen confirmed the day is referred to among students as "Wednesday Wigger Day."

Dickerson said the school's students of color expressed shame following the "mocking of culture and ethnicity."

"Yes, this did happen last Wednesday and the last couple years," she said.

Borgen said students taking part in the unsanctioned activity were rounded up and told to comply with school dress code policy. Almost all did, she said. The prior two years of "Wangsta Day" also have required students to comply with dress code, she said.

Students taking part in the act last week knew it was inappropriate, Borgen said, noting that many students had changes of clothes in their vehicles and lockers.

"I as a principal do not want to see this behavior continue," she said. "I was shocked and appalled."

Maxine Pruitt said her daughter, a high school senior, came home Wednesday in tears. It was the second time the so-called "Wangsta Day" had elicited such a response in her daughter, Pruitt said.

"It is hard for children to learn when they're being ostracized for their color," said Pruitt, who is black.

Pruitt called the act "heinous" and said she was shocked such behavior continues in the present day.

"This is not still the 50s and 40s," she said.

School Board Chairman Mitch Boldt condemned the behavior, saying some parents may need to be spoken with — depending on the severity of their children's behavior.

"Parents are responsible," he said. "This is happening in our community and it's not acceptable."

Dickerson and Pruitt called for action from school leaders to ensure the behavior doesn't continue. Dickerson said school leaders should seek to learn from the offended students why last week's incident was troubling.

She also suggested Red Wing students become educated culturally on the contributions of America's black leaders, saying "African Americans are not what they see in the music videos."

School Board member Heidi Jones called the incident "rotten," but expressed satisfaction that discussion on cultural issues had begun.

"I see we're already having that dialog," Jones said. "That's the grandest first step."

Supt. Stan Slessor agreed something should be done. He said the education system is focused so strongly on core subjects that issues like cultural awareness can be pushed to the background.

"We have pockets of doing some good things. We don't have a systematic way," Slessor said, calling for a "connected approach" to weave cultural education into the curriculum.






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http://www.republican-eagle.com/event/article/id/62190/

Events like last month's controversial Wangster Day may be a thing of the past if a small group of Red Wing High School students has anything to say about it.

The group met Tuesday to address fallout from the so-called "Wangster" or "Wigger" Day, which prompted concern from school officials and members of Red Wing's black community.

Officials condemned the actions of students who wore hip-hop attire at an unsanctioned homecoming-week activity after black leaders called the event a mockery of African American culture.

Tuesday's student-only meeting laid the groundwork for a new organization, tentatively titled Togetherness and Awareness Makes Greatness, class President Erik Lewis said.

He said students are hoping the program has a lasting impact in promoting race relations and is looking to recruit younger members. The eight-person group - comprised equally of black and white students - discussed Wangster Day, then moved on.

"We didn't want that to be what drove us in the future," he said.

But while students say progress is being made to learn from the incident and put controversy behind them, those efforts haven't put a lid on the situation in the community.

Apology sought

Maxine Pruitt said she wants an apology from school administration for not putting an end to the student-organized event earlier.

Pruitt, whose daughter - a high school senior - told her of the event, also wants the district to send out letters to parents that describe the incident and call for an end to future Wangster Days.

That's not out of the question, School Board Chairman Mitch Boldt said. Whatever the solution is, he said the key will be making sure it's a learning process for all.

"I don't think there's any magic bullet," he said. "There's a lot of dynamics that are involved in this situation. A single, broad-stroke policy isn't going to address them."

Human Rights Commissioner Lois Burns called for stronger policy at the school, calling Wangster Day discriminatory. Administration must carry out a consistent response and anticipate incidents happening, she said.

The Sept. 30 Wangster Day was at least the third such event of its kind, students and school officials said.

Boldt said many kids have joined in on the activity in recent years without giving much thought to it. He said that may included some of his children as well.

"There's nobody that's immune to it, that's for sure," Boldt said.

'An ignorant thing'

Senior Dionte Emerson hopes those who participated in the day see it as a mistake and that the school moves on from it.

"I think it made our school look bad when it shouldn't have, because it's not that big of a deal," Emerson said.

He said another student asked him in advance if he wanted to participate in Wangster Day.

"I told them that I thought it was an ignorant thing to do and, no, I wasn't going to," he said.

Emerson, who is black, said he didn't think participating students did it to be hurtful. But that didn't mean it wasn't offensive, he said.

That happened when Wangster Day mutated into "Wigger Day," he said.

"Wangster" is a term sometimes used to describe a poseur-gangster. The local iteration of the term is a blend of "Winger" and "gangster," according to members of the African American Literacy Project of Red Wing.

The word "wigger" is often used as a derogatory term for white people who adopt black culture. Part of the word draws from a racial epithet used against black people.

"It's a choice to be a gangster but you can't choose your race, so in my opinion, that was what (was) hurtful," Emerson said.

More awareness?

A grassroots effort to enhance Red Wing's cultural awareness appears under way. AALP advocacy coordinator LaVergne Dickerson apprised city officials of the situation Monday, calling for greater cultural education.

City Council member Lisa Bayley agreed, saying she received several complaints from citizens.

"I will be a part of it," she said.

But School Board member Mike Christensen said events like the city's Diversity Festival already serve that need.

He said he knows some of the kids who were involved in Wangster Day. None of those students did it with the intent to upset others, he said.

"They were not trying to offend anyone," he said.

Still, Christensen applauded student efforts to heal any racial divide at the school. Students self-policing the situation is the only effective means to addressing the matter, he said.

"Everything else is static," Christensen said.

But for Pruitt's daughter Quera Pruitt, the wound is still fresh.

"It's that (they) called it Wigger Day," she said. "It's so close to 'nigger' it hurts."

The high school senior who attended Tuesday's student meeting wondered whether any efforts would have a lasting effect.

"We came up with some good ideas," she said.

Boldt said he hopes to forge a combination of student-focused action and administrative measures.

"I would hope it's a series of communications that will make the difference," Boldt said.




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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:19 am

BTW, you know what's really funny? Why would you reach out to Odingleberry for help about black issues. That man is as black as a page in a fucking book! He grew up in Hawaii, lived over god knows where in Indonesia or whereever the hell he allegedly was, rode his "blackness" into the Ivory Towers of Ivy League schools and never had to deal with anything any of his inner-city black brethren had to deal with.

I know white Italian and Irish guys who grew up on the East Side of Cleveland back when people actually lived near the city limits here (e.g., before gang bangers, criminals, and dead beats ruined it all) who are blacker than he is just by virtue of how they grew up, the communities they grew up in, and the challenges they faced.

Odingleberry isn't black, not even fucking close, except when it suits him :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Pelata » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:26 am

People always hate it (after going ga-ga over how awesome it is we have an African-American President) when I tell them that Obama is as much white as he is black... :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:28 am

Pelata wrote:People always hate it (after going ga-ga over how awesome it is we have an African-American President) when I tell them that Obama is as much white as he is black... :lol:


Haha, it's great isn't it. Keep up the good work, kickass music and a good head on your shoulders, love it.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:45 am

I liked this woman who won alot more beforel she started apologizing and back peddling on what she said and how she felt.
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Postby Pelata » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:52 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:I liked this woman who won alot more beforel she started apologizing and back peddling on what she said and how she felt.


= pressure from her school...
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Postby Pelata » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:53 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Pelata wrote:People always hate it (after going ga-ga over how awesome it is we have an African-American President) when I tell them that Obama is as much white as he is black... :lol:


Haha, it's great isn't it. Keep up the good work, kickass music and a good head on your shoulders, love it.


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Postby Maui Tom » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:01 am

once you go white you never go back.....
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:03 am

Maui Tom wrote:once you go white you never go back.....


I thought it was "once you go black you never go back." Or how about "black by popular demand."
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Postby Maui Tom » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:04 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Maui Tom wrote:once you go white you never go back.....


I thought it was "once you go black you never go back." Or how about "black by popular demand."


guess that one flew over your head.... :)
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Postby brywool » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:23 am

Judging by the photo, she shouldn't have won. Yuk...
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Postby Jubilee » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:24 am

Hmmm. Sounds like some of us have a little mis-placed angst over this one. Reverse racism? Sounds like another case of douche-baggery to me. First of all Hampton is a "traditionally" black college. Enrollment is open to anyone who wants to apply. Ms. Churchill, who is white, was admitted to the college. She entered the pageant. The panel judging the pageant (presumably predominantly black) deemed her the winner, and she was crowned. It doesn't appear that the university has attempted to nullify her win. The fact that there was some grumbling from a very vocal minority of the student body is unfortunate, but is to be expected. That's what happens to anyone who is a first of a kind. Do we not recall the grumbling (or at least raised eyebrows) that went on when Vanessa Williams became the first black Miss America? It's nothing new.

Now, having said all that, is it likely most of the grumbling from the Hampton student body was racially motivated? Sure. And, so what? She won. End of story. For future reference though, if you're going to enter a pageant for Miss "X" University, you should at least attend classes on the campus of said university. Just a thought. :wink:
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Postby Lula » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:47 am

Rhiannon wrote:Am I going to have to be the one to point out that her makeup makes her look like a stripper?


she looks like one of those kardashians.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:54 am

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Rhiannon wrote:Am I going to have to be the one to point out that her makeup makes her look like a stripper?


she looks like one of those kardashians.


:lol:

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Postby Lula » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:00 am

lol, not from star trek silly, they're from reality television :lol: is my spelling that off? i went with the phonetic option. :lol:
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:03 am

Lula wrote:lol, not from star trek silly, they're from reality television :lol: is my spelling that off? i went with the phonetic option. :lol:


(I know who those attention whor- er... girls are... :lol: I just think it's funny that the green people on TNG have the same name... probably not spelled the same but still... funny)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:03 am

Jubilee wrote:Hmmm. Sounds like some of us have a little mis-placed angst over this one. Reverse racism? Sounds like another case of douche-baggery to me. First of all Hampton is a "traditionally" black college. Enrollment is open to anyone who wants to apply. Ms. Churchill, who is white, was admitted to the college. She entered the pageant. The panel judging the pageant (presumably predominantly black) deemed her the winner, and she was crowned. It doesn't appear that the university has attempted to nullify her win. The fact that there was some grumbling from a very vocal minority of the student body is unfortunate, but is to be expected. That's what happens to anyone who is a first of a kind. Do we not recall the grumbling (or at least raised eyebrows) that went on when Vanessa Williams became the first black Miss America? It's nothing new.

Now, having said all that, is it likely most of the grumbling from the Hampton student body was racially motivated? Sure. And, so what? She won. End of story. For future reference though, if you're going to enter a pageant for Miss "X" University, you should at least attend classes on the campus of said university. Just a thought. :wink:


You just struck out swinging. You are missing the point entirely. If this were happening to a black girl somewhere, the Sharptons and jacksons of the world would be UP IN FUCKING ARMS. Olbermann would be sitting there crying on his program, etc etc. People would be getting fired, shit would be goin down. Not much will come from this, if anything

The double standard is sickening. Blacks play the race card to no end out of one side of their mouths and have NO problem discriminating against white people from the other side. So no, it's not "So what." Even though this incident might be a minor one in comparison to others like it, it's a microcosm of all that's happening in this country, of all the bullshit that blacks are getting away with and all the eggshells and fear whites have to walk on and exercise because of the ridiculous double standards that are forced upon us. It's the fact that so many people don't see it as a real issue that is why it's so damn imperative that those of us who have the sense to see what's going on point it out.

I can guran-fucking-tee you that this "vocal minority" you want us to discount, had this kind of thing happened to one of them from a "vocal white minority," would be playing the race card til they were no longer black in the face, but blue. Jesse, Al, and Odingleberry would be right behind them (just think Cambridge Police :lol:)

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Postby Jubilee » Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:56 am

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Jubilee wrote:Hmmm. Sounds like some of us have a little mis-placed angst over this one. Reverse racism? Sounds like another case of douche-baggery to me. First of all Hampton is a "traditionally" black college. Enrollment is open to anyone who wants to apply. Ms. Churchill, who is white, was admitted to the college. She entered the pageant. The panel judging the pageant (presumably predominantly black) deemed her the winner, and she was crowned. It doesn't appear that the university has attempted to nullify her win. The fact that there was some grumbling from a very vocal minority of the student body is unfortunate, but is to be expected. That's what happens to anyone who is a first of a kind. Do we not recall the grumbling (or at least raised eyebrows) that went on when Vanessa Williams became the first black Miss America? It's nothing new.

Now, having said all that, is it likely most of the grumbling from the Hampton student body was racially motivated? Sure. And, so what? She won. End of story. For future reference though, if you're going to enter a pageant for Miss "X" University, you should at least attend classes on the campus of said university. Just a thought. :wink:


You just struck out swinging. You are missing the point entirely. If this were happening to a black girl somewhere, the Sharptons and jacksons of the world would be UP IN FUCKING ARMS. Olbermann would be sitting there crying on his program, etc etc. People would be getting fired, shit would be goin down. Not much will come from this, if anything

The double standard is sickening. Blacks play the race card to no end out of one side of their mouths and have NO problem discriminating against white people from the other side. So no, it's not "So what." Even though this incident might be a minor one in comparison to others like it, it's a microcosm of all that's happening in this country, of all the bullshit that blacks are getting away with and all the eggshells and fear whites have to walk on and exercise because of the ridiculous double standards that are forced upon us. It's the fact that so many people don't see it as a real issue that is why it's so damn imperative that those of us who have the sense to see what's going on point it out.

I can guran-fucking-tee you that this "vocal minority" you want us to discount, had this kind of thing happened to one of them from a "vocal white minority," would be playing the race card til they were no longer black in the face, but blue. Jesse, Al, and Odingleberry would be right behind them (just think Cambridge Police :lol:)

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I'm having a hard time seeing this "double standard". Ms. Churchill WON the contest. It might be different had Ms. Churchill been barred from entering the pageant or if she had been told she wouldn't/couldn't win because she is white. Ms. Churchill did however, enter the pageant, and she did in fact win. So, in this instance that is not the case. Grumbling, complaining and general dissent from the sidelines is just that-nothing more.

Are you complaining about the fact that people were complaining about the fact that she won?? I can understand that. It just seems you're assigning way more to this than is warranted by the facts presented.
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Postby JasonD » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:26 am

Voyager wrote:An all-black college is no different than an all-heterosexual college. Try starting a non-gay college and see what happens. Shit will hit the fan!


I'd have to beat someone with my purse! :shock: :wink: :lol:
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Postby Lula » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:29 am

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Lula wrote:lol, not from star trek silly, they're from reality television :lol: is my spelling that off? i went with the phonetic option. :lol:


(I know who those attention whor- er... girls are... :lol: I just think it's funny that the green people on TNG have the same name... probably not spelled the same but still... funny)


oh :oops: lol, things often fly right over my head!
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Postby JasonD » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:34 am

February is Black History Month. Where's White History Month, I ask you? I want my White History Month, DAMMIT!!!!
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Postby KDOUBLEU » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:43 am

JasonD wrote:February is Black History Month. Where's White History Month, I ask you? I want my White History Month, DAMMIT!!!!
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Postby JD » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:20 am

Rhiannon wrote:Am I going to have to be the one to point out that her makeup makes her look like a stripper?


Sorta like your avatar pic? :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:25 am

Jubilee wrote:I'm having a hard time seeing this "double standard". Ms. Churchill WON the contest. It might be different had Ms. Churchill been barred from entering the pageant or if she had been told she wouldn't/couldn't win because she is white. Ms. Churchill did however, enter the pageant, and she did in fact win. So, in this instance that is not the case. Grumbling, complaining and general dissent from the sidelines is just that-nothing more.

Are you complaining about the fact that people were complaining about the fact that she won?? I can understand that. It just seems you're assigning way more to this than is warranted by the facts presented.


That and the fact that the fallout is a lot less than it would be if the roles were reversed. Plus, like I said, it's just a good, small sample of a much larger and much uglier problem we have on our hands in this country.
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Postby Sarah » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:29 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:(I know who those attention whor- er... girls are... :lol: I just think it's funny that the green people on TNG have the same name... probably not spelled the same but still... funny)

lol this took me a sec.

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:45 pm

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JasonD wrote:February is Black History Month. Where's White History Month, I ask you? I want my White History Month, DAMMIT!!!!
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And what about multi-cultural day? I know at my job they don't recognize/observe nor do they include/feature any white cultural items in the festivities. All the while only about 5% of the employees are white. Wouldn't it seem that since there is only 5% whites that make up the workforce for the company that they'd observe/include white cultural things? The employees are all latin and black for the most part and that's the only thing they are observing, recognizing, including and featuring on that day at my job.
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Postby Peartree12249 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:50 pm

Sarah wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:(I know who those attention whor- er... girls are... :lol: I just think it's funny that the green people on TNG have the same name... probably not spelled the same but still... funny)

lol this took me a sec.

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Nice cheekbones, I can see why she won. :wink:
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