So, if you were a naysayer but changed your mind?

[RedWingFan]

you're really full of shit, man.

Go fuck yourself! I'll drive up to that gay ass state you live in and slap the shit out of you :shock:

p.s. Get rid of your fruity fucking screen name, fuckface!

Classic!

As far as Journey goes. I liked 4 songs off of Revelation which is enough for me to keep from lambasting it as a turd. I won't go to another Journey show for the same reason I don't look for kareoke clubs with a "Journey night".

[Enigma869]

LMAO!!!
I love John!!

And I love you, MG

-1 parfait....don't attack the beautiful baby!!!

No worries here. I'm fairly certain my 3 year old boy could probably slap the shit out of anyone calling themselves "parfait". Fucking fruit

[parfait]

No worries here. I'm fairly certain my 3 year old boy could probably slap the shit out of anyone calling themselves "parfait". Fucking fruit

Listen up, you lower middle class yankee; I highly wish and ask of you to go to your fridge and grab some funnel cake (for the trip ahead), sit your fat ass down in your rust tinted volvo, put it in gear...

and drive straight to hell.

[Enigma869]

Listen up, you lower middle class yankee; I highly wish and ask of you to go to your fridge and grab some funnel cake (for the trip ahead), sit your fat ass down in your rust tinted volvo, put it in gear...

and drive straight to hell.

Save your acerbic wit for someone who gives a fuck, fruity Vermont douche!

[wednesday's child]

Steveo,
Go fuck yourself.
Some of the "plokkers" were unfair haters themselves, and I'm not just talking about
racist MR sweethearts who spent a season on Arnel's chat-site, soaking up all kinds of
love from the pinheads. I'm talking about Filipinos who had all kinds of put-downs for
the Beak, for Soto, and even for Augeri, ...as if they could thereby inflate 'Nel's rep.

Arneliots are little different from Loons, Wigglers or Cavefolk, and God bless em all,
but I wish there was a better online representation of the typical Filipino Journey fans,
the ones who have been so since '79-80 and have kept the J-catalog in Philippine airplay
for decades, before Arnel's stroke of fortune.


Parfait,
Involving John's wife and kid in your barrage of insults was base AND cowardly.


wech

[Esc]

i have a hunch where this thread is going.

[Michigan Girl]

Steveo,
Go fuck yourself.
Some of the "plokkers" were unfair haters themselves, and I'm not just talking about
racist MR sweethearts who spent a season on Arnel's chat-site, soaking up all kinds of
love from the pinheads. I'm talking about Filipinos who had all kinds of put-downs for
the Beak, for Soto, and even for Augeri, ...as if they could thereby inflate 'Nel's rep.

Arneliots are little different from Loons, Wigglers or Cavefolk, and God bless em all,
but I wish there was a better online representation of the typical Filipino Journey fans,
the ones who have been so since '79-80 and have kept the J-catalog in Philippine airplay
for decades, before Arnel's stroke of fortune.


Parfait,
Involving John's wife and kid in your barrage of insults was base AND cowardly.


wech

Always the voice of reason, Wech!! Great Post!!

[Michigan Girl]

i have a hunch where this thread is going.

Steveo has that effect on people, you know!!!

[Behshad]

[Michigan Girl]

[brywool]

[epresley]

[Pelata]

I was never a naysayer until Arnel was initially hired.

I fully accepted Steve Augeri and JSS based on what I heard. I had doubts about Arnel also based on what I heard.

Now a year later I can honestly say:

- I still don't like his early live footage w/ the band (YouTube)

- I still don't like his re-recordings on Disc 2 of Revelation (mainly because of some aspects of his delivery)

- I've begun to come around on the Revelation album itself...Arnel sounds good on it and the songs are good so what's not to like? "Never Walk Away" and "Where Did I Lose Your Love" especially...I still don't like "After All These Years" too much

- The footage I've seen of the new DVD puts Arnel in a better light for me, vocally...but I still just don't like some aspects of his delivery

So there...Arnel is beginning to grow on me, but I can't say I'm as much of a fanboy as I was for the Perry/Augeri/Soto eras...

[Escape81]

I was never a naysayer until Arnel was initially hired.

I fully accepted Steve Augeri and JSS based on what I heard. I had doubts about Arnel also based on what I heard.

Now a year later I can honestly say:

- I still don't like his early live footage w/ the band (YouTube)

- I still don't like his re-recordings on Disc 2 of Revelation (mainly because of some aspects of his delivery)

- I've begun to come around on the Revelation album itself...Arnel sounds good on it and the songs are good so what's not to like? "Never Walk Away" and "Where Did I Lose Your Love" especially...I still don't like "After All These Years" too much

- The footage I've seen of the new DVD puts Arnel in a better light for me, vocally...but I still just don't like some aspects of his delivery

So there...Arnel is beginning to grow on me, but I can't say I'm as much of a fanboy as I was for the Perry/Augeri/Soto eras...

You seem very reasonable about your opinion and articulated it nicely. Naysaying can't be quite so bad if it's done like this.

[Sarah]

I was never a naysayer until Arnel was initially hired.

I fully accepted Steve Augeri and JSS based on what I heard. I had doubts about Arnel also based on what I heard.

Now a year later I can honestly say:

- I still don't like his early live footage w/ the band (YouTube)

- I still don't like his re-recordings on Disc 2 of Revelation (mainly because of some aspects of his delivery)

Haha I came in here to post something similar. I liked them a lot with Steve A, and I was warming up to JSS. Maybe it's all the hype around Arnel, but I just wasn't feeling it with him or the new songs/remakes, and it was the beginning of the end of my obsession with Journey. I don't plan on buying the DVD.

[Enigma869]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

[portland]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Auger's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

Agreed...Owned!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

Nice. I take back the thing I said yesterday about you being a grumpy yankee.

[Saint John]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

The exact same can be said about Neal and/or Herbie.

[Michigan Girl]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

John, this is beautiful!!

[steveo777]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

John, this is beautiful!!

Of course it is....to you. Lunatics seek out information to support their beliefs. I was a psych major.

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

The exact same can be said about Neal and/or Herbie.

I think Saint John is one of the only sane ones left around here.

[Michigan Girl]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

John, this is beautiful!!

Of course it is....to you. Lunatics seek out information to support their beliefs. I was a psych major.

you're also an asshole...

[Rhiannon]

Of course it is....to you. Lunatics seek out information to support their beliefs. I was a psych major.

So what you're saying is... Perry wasn't an influential member of the band and without the material of the 78-96 timeframe this band would still be out pimping it today? Or did you just fall and hit your head on a concrete barrier within the last 24 hours?

[steveo777]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

John, this is beautiful!!

Of course it is....to you. Lunatics seek out information to support their beliefs. I was a psych major.

you're also an asshole...

I know, infact this song was probably written for me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA

[Michigan Girl]

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

John, this is beautiful!!

Of course it is....to you. Lunatics seek out information to support their beliefs. I was a psych major.

I personally don't understand how a Journey fan (and I make that distinction, because I'm not referring to Soto fans or Augeri fans) chooses Arnel as the guy not to support. If a person is objective (which I know most people aren't), Arnel is the only guy out of the three of them who even gets in the neighborhood of sounding ANYTHING like the "legacy sound" that Schon sperm burps about!

For me personally, the Journey train was dead and buried many years ago. Perry took it with him on the way out the door, and I'm okay with it. I'm also okay with Schon, and whomever he feels like hiring this week going out there to make a living and even masquerading as "Journey". None of it has ever bothered me. The only thing that has ever gotten under my skin is the lack of respect that Schon and some fans have for Perry. Go to the concerts...Buy the cd's....buy the DVD's...Kiss Augeri's red leather pants...talk about how studley Soto is with his wallet chains...appreciate the humility that Arnel brings to the table. In the end, simply respect and acknowledge that NONE of this happens without Perry, period, end of story! This board isn't here without Perry, and there aren't 10 people from this board who even know who Journey is without Perry. That's how significant the guy was!

The exact same can be said about Neal and/or Herbie.

I think Saint John is one of the only sane ones left around here.

This would be also be true, however; it does not make John's statement any less true!!! DF Psych Major!!

[Enigma869]

The exact same can be said about Neal and/or Herbie.

You and I will NEVER agree on this point, dude. The history is well known by EVERYONE. I know you just can't stop yourself from giving Neal credit for putting a band together. Where your argument is GREATLY flawed is that the band Schon put together and the band we came to know as "Journey" had absolutely NOTHING in common with each other. Furthermore, Neal is already publically on record as saying he wanted absolutely nothing to do with Perry coming into the band. As far as I'm concerned, Neal isn't getting half as much credit as you want to give him. Hell, I'll even buy the Herbie argument. Regardless of how much credit you want to give Schon, Herbie, The Tooth Fairy, or The Easter Bunny, none of them had a damn thing to do with Perry's immense talent! I'll certainly give Herbie the credit for showing Perry where to go to meet the band, but if Perry showed up and sounded like Friga on vocals, the story begins and ends right there on the spot, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing that Schon or that windbag Herbie could have done about it!

[Saint John]

I'll say this about John's post: Perry is Journey's most recognizable member. Most lead singers are. But, in the end, he was one part of a team...one part of a band. That team/band wrote and arranged some incredible and timeless music. And that team is much better together than they are apart. Together you get classics like Escape and Frontiers and apart you get vile pig shit garbage like Generations, Red13 and FTLOSM. You also get some pretty good effprts like Street Talk, Arrival and Revelation. In the end, the fans decide by buying what they like. And that'll always be overwhelmingly Journey with Perry as a member.

[Saint John]

none of them had a damn thing to do with Perry's immense talent!

This is bullshit. The guy had quit. Packed it up and called it a career...one that was over before it even started. Herbie believed in him and Neal brought out every ounce of emotion that Perry had. They complimented each other incredibly. Listen to Perry's solo work without Schon and you don't hear near the brilliance.

I'll certainly give Herbie the credit for showing Perry where to go to meet the band, but if Perry showed up and sounded like Friga on vocals, the story begins and ends right there on the spot, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing that Schon or that windbag Herbie could have done about it!

They could have hired another singer. There's no way to know who they would have hired, but the band was probably going to be successful as they were loaded with talent and drive. As successful as with Perry as part of the team? Probably not. Nevertheless, you can't say, with any certainty, what they would have done. But they may found a singer that wasn't a 3-time quitter and could have still been touring like many bands with mentally and physically stable front men are today.

[steveo777]

I'll say this about John's post: Perry is Journey's most recognizable member. Most lead singers are. But, in the end, he was one part of a team...one part of a band. That team/band wrote and arranged some incredible and timeless music. And that team is much better together than they are apart. Together you get classics like Escape and Frontiers and apart you get vile pig shit garbage like Generations, Red13 and FTLOSM. You also get some pretty good effprts like Street Talk, Arrival and Revelation. In the end, the fans decide by buying what they like. And that'll always be overwhelmingly Journey with Perry as a member.

Hey, a recent double platinum album is a start in the right direction again. The other thing we don't know is what the next album with Pineda involved in the writing mix will sound like. It could be awsome....or not. It should be highly anticipated. I know I'm anxious as hell for it. I really hope it's all fresh and not stuff that Neal and Friga already have in the can.

[Saint John]

Perry fans can also thank Neal and Jon for any upcoming material from Nostrildamus. Even the most ardent Loon is fooling her fat fucking self if she thinks that a 60 year old Perry would be dragging his enormous septum into the recording studio if it weren't for the current attention that Pineda, Journey and Revelation are receiving eating away at him. I'm sure he was much more content doing background breathing vocals over the last 10 years and being the fucking cigar store indian for every shit band recording new music.