So, if you were a naysayer but changed your mind?

[steveo777]

Perry fans can also thank Neal and Jon for any upcoming material from Nostrildamus. Even the most ardent Loon is fooling her fat fucking self if she thinks that a 60 year old Perry would be dragging his enormous septum into the recording studio if it weren't for the current attention that Pineda, Journey and Revelation are receiving eating away at him. I'm sure he was much more content doing background breathing vocals over the last 10 years and being the fucking cigar store indian for every shit band recording new music.

Have you met most of the loons.... are most of 'em fat like that?

Perry Porkers! LOL

[Jana]

none of them had a damn thing to do with Perry's immense talent!

This is bullshit. The guy had quit. Packed it up and called it a career...one that was over before it even started. Herbie believed in him and Neal brought out every ounce of emotion that Perry had. They complimented each other incredibly. Listen to Perry's solo work without Schon and you don't hear near the brilliance.

Agree. Perry possibly could have never gone back to music, and if he had, who knows, may have still been in his 30s trying to get a deal. He was in his late twenties, had spent years in the business and no stardom when Journey called. He was burned out and broke and emotionally drained after losing the bassist. There's some great songs on StreetTalk, but I never hear brilliance as far as a consistent solid album musically and vocally, and forget FTLOSM, except certain songs and some great vocals. Not a superb album with huge success. Without Journey's mix of writers to influence each other and perfect the Journey sound with his emotional, soaring vocals meshed with Neal's guitar, Perry most likely would never have been known as the Voice as far as I'm concerned, not a mega star, b/c Oh, Sherry or Foolish Heart on the radio wasn't going to do it for him. Average pop songs and no one stops the radio in my office going "The Voice" on them.

[Saint John]

Perry fans can also thank Neal and Jon for any upcoming material from Nostrildamus. Even the most ardent Loon is fooling her fat fucking self if she thinks that a 60 year old Perry would be dragging his enormous septum into the recording studio if it weren't for the current attention that Pineda, Journey and Revelation are receiving eating away at him. I'm sure he was much more content doing background breathing vocals over the last 10 years and being the fucking cigar store indian for every shit band recording new music.

Have you met most of the loons.... are most of 'em fat like that?

Perry Porkers! LOL

To be fair, Perry has some very normal and lovely female fans (my girlfriend and her 2 friends being 3). Others like Lora, Cyndy, Deb, DP, Michigan Ho , and a handful of others immediately coming to mind. It (my original comment) was a dig at the fringe lunatics that stalk the guy and make life for him complicated.

[steveo777]

none of them had a damn thing to do with Perry's immense talent!

This is bullshit. The guy had quit. Packed it up and called it a career...one that was over before it even started. Herbie believed in him and Neal brought out every ounce of emotion that Perry had. They complimented each other incredibly. Listen to Perry's solo work without Schon and you don't hear near the brilliance.

Agree. Perry possibly could have never gone back to music, and if he had, who knows, may have still been in his 30s trying to get a deal. He was in his late twenties, had spent years in the business and no stardom when Journey called. He was burned out and broke and emotionally drained after losing the bassist. There's some great songs on StreetTalk, but I never hear brilliance as far as a consistent solid album musically and vocally, and forget FTLOSM, except certain songs. Without Journey's mix of writers to influence each other and perfect the Journey sound with his emotional, soaring vocals meshed with Neal's guitar, Perry most likely would never have been known as the Voice as far as I'm concerned, not a mega star, b/c Oh, Sherry or Foolish Heart on the radio wasn't going to do it for him. Average pop songs and no one stops the radio in my office going "The Voice" on them.

Journey made Perry shine like a new penny.

[Chubby321]

Perry was not doing anything significant before Journey and you can say the same with the band.

Put together, they created magic.

[Cleveland Steamer!]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

[RocknRoll]

Perry was not doing anything significant before Journey and you can say the same with the band.

Put together, they created magic.

Gotta disagree with you here Chubby and I know SJ will jump on this, but Journey was a great band pre-Perry. They had fantastic live shows and more of a cult following, but the 3 albums they put out just didn't sell that well. Maybe a sign of the times. Personally those albums have some of my all-time favorite music on them. A lot of bands would have been ecstatic to have had the success Journey had pre-Perry.

[Michigan Girl]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Welcome, Cleveland Steamer!!! You're mighty BIG... and that's comin' from a Perry Porker!!!

[parfait]

Perry fans can also thank Neal and Jon for any upcoming material from Nostrildamus. Even the most ardent Loon is fooling her fat fucking self if she thinks that a 60 year old Perry would be dragging his enormous septum into the recording studio if it weren't for the current attention that Pineda, Journey and Revelation are receiving eating away at him. I'm sure he was much more content doing background breathing vocals over the last 10 years and being the fucking cigar store indian for every shit band recording new music.

a damn good post, man

[Chubby321]

Perry was not doing anything significant before Journey and you can say the same with the band.

Put together, they created magic.

Gotta disagree with you here Chubby and I know SJ will jump on this, but Journey was a great band pre-Perry. They had fantastic live shows and more of a cult following, but the 3 albums they put out just didn't sell that well. Maybe a sign of the times. Personally those albums have some of my all-time favorite music on them. A lot of bands would have been ecstatic to have had the success Journey had pre-Perry.

That's what I meant with the word magic. But there is no doubt that the band (pre-Perry) were a bunch of talented guys.

[portland]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Welcome, Cleveland Steamer!!! You're mighty BIG... and that's comin' from a Perry Porker!!!

Hey from one Porker to another MG!!!!

[Michigan Girl]

none of them had a damn thing to do with Perry's immense talent!

This is bullshit. The guy had quit. Packed it up and called it a career...one that was over before it even started. Herbie believed in him and Neal brought out every ounce of emotion that Perry had. They complimented each other incredibly. Listen to Perry's solo work without Schon and you don't hear near the brilliance.

Agree. Perry possibly could have never gone back to music, and if he had, who knows, may have still been in his 30s trying to get a deal. He was in his late twenties, had spent years in the business and no stardom when Journey called. He was burned out and broke and emotionally drained after losing the bassist. There's some great songs on StreetTalk, but I never hear brilliance as far as a consistent solid album musically and vocally, and forget FTLOSM, except certain songs. Without Journey's mix of writers to influence each other and perfect the Journey sound with his emotional, soaring vocals meshed with Neal's guitar, Perry most likely would never have been known as the Voice as far as I'm concerned, not a mega star, b/c Oh, Sherry or Foolish Heart on the radio wasn't going to do it for him. Average pop songs and no one stops the radio in my office going "The Voice" on them.

Journey made Perry shine like a new penny.

Didn't they...he was the best!!!

[Michigan Girl]

Perry was not doing anything significant before Journey and you can say the same with the band.

Put together, they created magic.

Study your history just a tad better, Chubbs!! He had just lost a bandmate and was
back on the farm, but what was happening prior to that?!?!?

And YES they did!!! Good girl...have you been listening?!?!?

[portland]

Perry fans can also thank Neal and Jon for any upcoming material from Nostrildamus. Even the most ardent Loon is fooling her fat fucking self if she thinks that a 60 year old Perry would be dragging his enormous septum into the recording studio if it weren't for the current attention that Pineda, Journey and Revelation are receiving eating away at him. I'm sure he was much more content doing background breathing vocals over the last 10 years and being the fucking cigar store indian for every shit band recording new music.

Have you met most of the loons.... are most of 'em fat like that?

Perry Porkers! LOL

To be fair, Perry has some very normal and lovely female fans (my girlfriend and her 2 friends being 3). Others like Lora, Cyndy, Deb, DP, Michigan Ho , and a handful of others immediately coming to mind. It (my original comment) was a dig at the fringe lunatics that stalk the guy and make life for him complicated.

Hey I am not in that list ^^^^^^^^ now I am really hurt!!!

[Rick]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Go fuck yourself troll.

[Michigan Girl]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Go fuck yourself troll.

Who is it, Rick?!?!?

[Jana]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Welcome, Cleveland Steamer!!! You're mighty BIG... and that's comin' from a Perry Porker!!!

Now I'm LMAO.

[Pelata]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

[Jana]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Fair, objective post. What I always say. Agree about Cain.

[portland]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

[Rick]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Go fuck yourself troll.

Who is it, Rick?!?!?

Not sure. Just a troll. Nobody comes to a Journey forum with an avatar that big and a sig like that and posts that shit without being someone who's just looking to piss off the board. Some people just need to get a life.

[steveo777]

No need to apologize for hating this new Journey shit!

Go fuck yourself troll.

X1000

Steamer alright.....big steaming turd in this thread.

[Pelata]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

[portland]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

Yes Arrival has grown on me...and it has taken a long time...I think that SA is talented...but they are the best when they are all together and I agree that if they had just not used the Journey name things would certainly be different...but well we all know what happened and now we have on fractured fan base...and I really think that is the stone that was cracked!!

[Jana]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

Sadly, I don't believe Perry would ever have come back to Journey, ever. Look at the past 13 years as evidence of what he would have done. Journey had every right to keep the name since Neal started the band and put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into it for years even b/f Perry. I get that some will never feel that way. That's fine.

[Pelata]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

Sadly, I don't believe Perry would ever have come back to Journey, ever. Look at the past 13 years as evidence of what he would have done. Journey had every right to keep the name since Neal started the band and put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into it for years even b/f Perry. I get that some will never feel that way. That's fine.

I don't think Perry's inactivity is indicative of what would have happened had Schon/Cain did another Bad English album or something and not replaced him. But, it's all speculation and what we have is what we have. Schon/Perry/Cain will remain legend no matter what.

[steveo777]

I have a question regarding the current lineup. Journey had never sounded as much like Journey since Steve Perry left, as they do now. SA and JSS are both good men and good singers. Was there this much division between fans here on MR when SA and JSS were in the band as there is now? I wasn't on MR prior to Arnel so I really don't know for sure but it feels like there is more division among peeps with this lineup. If so, why? Is it possible that Arnel is so close that he hits a nerve?

[Jana]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

Sadly, I don't believe Perry would ever have come back to Journey, ever. Look at the past 13 years as evidence of what he would have done. Journey had every right to keep the name since Neal started the band and put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into it for years even b/f Perry. I get that some will never feel that way. That's fine.

I don't think Perry's inactivity is indicative of what would have happened had Schon/Cain did another Bad English album or something and not replaced him. But, it's all speculation and what we have is what we have. Schon/Perry/Cain will remain legend no matter what.

Absolute, legend. What's indicative is after '86 he never toured or wrote with them for almost ten years and worked on his solo stuff twice and toured. Sony pushed him and hewrote an album with Journey and never toured. I don't think he was that interested in Journey since '86. I always say TBF was a nice bonus. He hasn't toured with them for 23 years and this is a band that likes to play in front of audiences. Good for them. Perry seems happy.

[Ehwmatt]

I have a question regarding the current lineup. Journey had never sounded as much like Journey since Steve Perry left, as they do now. SA and JSS are both good men and good singers. Was there this much division between fans here on MR when SA and JSS were in the band as there is now? I wasn't on MR prior to Arnel so I really don't know for sure but it feels like there is more division among peeps with this lineup. If so, why? Is it possible that Arnel is so close that he hits a nerve?

Yes there always will be. Journey sounded a lot more like Journey on Arrival, as in they were doing something new and legitimate, not trying to rehash Escape and Frontiers as Revelation tried to do.

[portland]

Herbie Herbert bringing Perry out of the chicken coops and matching him up w/ Neal Schon was amazing timing for Perry AND Schon...add in Jon Cain and it's lightning in a bottle (for all the good songs before Cain joined, Journey were nowhere near as popular until Cain came in). It's that combination that made Journey what it became. Had Rollie stayed, Escape would have been a very different album and probably not gone #1. Had Robert Fleischman stayed, Infinity would not have been what it was. Had Schon & Rollie stayed in Santana there would be no Journey at all.

My point is that it's no single person that made Journey as we worship it...it was the chemistry created in the combination of Schon/Perry/Cain. Take any one of them out and it all falls apart. No Perry, no "Patiently"...no Cain, no "Open Arms" (and no #1 album)...no Schon, no Journey.

Yes and plug in the subs and you get a tribute band that plays the DD...and that is the point...these three band memebers from the Perry/Schon/Cain years are not replaceable....and that is the facts even if many here don't or won't admit to it...including Mr. Schon himself!

I agree to a point...the chemistry changes and the magic changes...they've still managed to make good music Perry-less, but as much as I like Augeri and his 2 albums, I'll still admit that as good as it is and as much as I do enjoy it, it's not the same...

Part of me...PART of me...wishes that Cain & Schon did what Perry asked...go play whatever you want with whoever you want, just don't call it Journey...I think if they had done that, Perry would have come back after a while...but I do love Arrival & Generations (most of it, anyway)...

Sadly, I don't believe Perry would ever have come back to Journey, ever. Look at the past 13 years as evidence of what he would have done. Journey had every right to keep the name since Neal started the band and put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into it for years even b/f Perry. I get that some will never feel that way. That's fine.

I don't think Perry's inactivity is indicative of what would have happened had Schon/Cain did another Bad English album or something and not replaced him. But, it's all speculation and what we have is what we have. Schon/Perry/Cain will remain legend no matter what.

Absolute, legend. What's indicative is after '86 he never toured or wrote with them for almost ten years and worked on his solo stuff twice and toured. Sony pushed him and hewrote an album with Journey and never toured. I don't think he was that interested in Journey since '86. I always say TBF was a nice bonus. He hasn't toured with them for 23 years and this is a band that likes to play in front of audiences. Good for them. Perry seems happy.

Yes miss sunshine we are all soooo happy