100% WET

[kgdjpubs]

obviously, you didn't have my high school Chemistry teacher. That class was thrilled when the average was 60%. Obviously, there was a HUGE bell curve on the tests so that people didn't horribly fail the class.

Getting back to the point, I understand WHY the scores have to be somewhat inflated to avoid infuriating the labels/artists, but I don't think there is anywhere near enough room for an "album of the year" versus a "classic of the decades". I think we can all agree on the general opinion though, even though the actual number rating may differ wildly.

I had a Computer Science prof in college, the class would have had a mass orgy if the test average ever approached a 50%

She was a Chinese immigrant and had some diction issues , causing the class to have a lot of trouble learning a complex subject. Class test average for all three tests never cracked 40%... yet most of us got B+s and A-s cause people told her straight up in class she sucked at teaching It was her first year, she was scared of getting fired right away if every one complained.

Well, the first test, I believe was about 40%. It got to 60% by the end of the year.

As far as accents go, I had some Anthropology course (required, ugh ) in college with some guy from Ethiopia, where it took me a solid month of classes until I could actually listen and take notes at the same time. His accent was simply indecipherable!

Still, nothing beats a college intro Physics class where 40% of your score on the test was essays. Fortunately, I learned quickly what he was grading for. Some people never did. The adjacent section of the course with another professor had one of those 40% averages, and 80% of the class thought they were going to fail it.

[Michigan Girl]

Muwahahahahahahaha!

And to think someone else gets in trouble for gay Friga jokes....

Mines are not jokes though and I do it 5 times a year, not 50 times a day

LOL!!! I thought ot was a gay Tito Joke HALL MONITOR!!

[Tito]

Oh yes, that's right. Walmart held them captive in a dungeon and threatened to boil their family jewels and eat their children's souls if they didn't sign the deal... I keep forgetting that part. Clearly, they had no choice. And you're assuming I haven't criticized other bands that have done it.

I've grown tired of debating with you. Be gone now. *shoo shoo*

Certainly, they didn't have to do it. But, if they didn't do it, there would be NO Revelation not to mention a lot of money forfeited. I think the masses have shown they are grateful there was a Revelation CD. Not to mention, they were going to rerecord some if not all of those songs for promotional purposes (concert advertisement on TV and radio) anyway, so why not get paid for it. If you don't like it, don't listen to Disc 2. I don't.

You wouldn't be tired a debating if you actually had a point.

I got your point right here. People tire of debating with you because we can't stand the glare off of your Frig-colored glasses.

Sure, Revelation has had some success, but they had to hitch a little ride on a nice easy Walmart deal and some tuxedo tails to find that out instead of going through a real label. If that many people believed in this beforehand, they wouldn't have needed Walmart.

I'm no diehard Revelation fan, but I am in the middle of the Saint Johns/Titos and you guys who complain about this constantly. Like it or not, Wal-Mart is the new and last standing paradigm to sell a lot of hardcopy CDs for just about any band, but especially older ones. This is a silly argument. They shouldn't catch flak for making a calculated business decision. Arrival, a far superior album to Revelation, is proof positive of how a band can be expected to be treated by a "real label," those buttfuckers at Sony.

Agreed Matt. I'd have less to say about the deal and more respect for the album (and band) if they hadn't pissed all over the classics that way. It's that they know they can't sell without it, and that was more important than leaving well-enough the hell alone. 'Tis all.

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

[steveo777]

Muwahahahahahahaha!

And to think someone else gets in trouble for gay Friga jokes....

Mines are not jokes though and I do it 5 times a year, not 50 times a day

LOL!!! I thought ot was a gay Tito Joke HALL MONITOR!!

Ok, a gay Tito joke with Friga connections, if ya wanna get anal.

[Ehwmatt]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

[Jana]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I agree re the point about the re-records not being a big factor in helping to sell. But they loved that the DVD was on there.

RE whether Arrival or Revelations is better. Arrival is a better album than TBF overall for reasons I've stated b/f, more sophisticated rock album versus almost completely pop album for a lot of TBF. The problem is Augeri's vocals on some songs, while not bad, aren't that great, but yet still a soulful delivery on all. Somebody said he had been sick. Maybe the reason. Where Revelation would have been better if it had a more polished delivery on some songs, Arnel's vocals in tone and range and the classic sound was the standout for me on this CD. I would have to say because of the actual melodies and lyrics and for the actual sophistication of an older rock band releasing music in this decade but still retaining a band sound even on ballads I choose Arrival.

[kgdjpubs]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. I think the GH may have helped a little, but with the number of GH packages out there, the average consumer doesn't pick up a package that says Revelation if you want GH. The packaging said new album, NOT compilation. Value for money and proper promotion had more to do with it than anything.

Speaking thereof, has anyone heard actual numbers for the Foreigner cd? In effect, it's the same as Revelation, with the exception of remixing instead of re-recording the hits. Theory says that with Lou Gramm's voice on the hits, it SHOULD sell more if the hits are what is driving the package, although I haven't seen anything to suggest such.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I'm torn on this one. Revelation is a tighter package, while Arrival (though overlong) probably had stronger material. Cut Arrival down to 10 songs, axe most of the ballads, and re-insert Remember Me, and it's a VERY strong album.

[Ehwmatt]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I agree re the point about the re-records not being a big factor in helping to sell. But they loved that the DVD was on there.

RE whether Arrival or Revelations is better. Arrival is a better album than TBF overall for reasons I've stated b/f, more sophisticated rock album versus almost completely pop album for a lot of TBF. The problem is Augeri's vocals on some songs, while not bad, aren't that great, but yet still a soulful delivery on all. Somebody said he had been sick. Maybe the reason. Where Revelation would have been better if it had a more polished delivery on some songs, Arnel's vocals in tone and range and the classic sound was the standout for me on this CD. I would have to say because of the actual melodies and lyrics and for the actual sophistication of an older rock band releasing music in this decade but still retaining a band sound even on ballads I choose Arrival.

Yes, Arrival stands out because of its diversity in sound (e.g., it's not an attempted rehash at the 80s as Rev is, albeit a spirited attempt) - and because for me I find the songs stronger overall. As I said, I listen just a few choice Rev tracks at all anymore, and it's only been a year and a half.

Edit: Put SP on Rev and keep SA on Arrival and I still think Arrival kills it. Too many weak or rehashed tunes on Rev for me.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. I think the GH may have helped a little, but with the number of GH packages out there, the average consumer doesn't pick up a package that says Revelation if you want GH. The packaging said new album, NOT compilation. Value for money and proper promotion had more to do with it than anything.

Speaking thereof, has anyone heard actual numbers for the Foreigner cd? In effect, it's the same as Revelation, with the exception of remixing instead of re-recording the hits. Theory says that with Lou Gramm's voice on the hits, it SHOULD sell more if the hits are what is driving the package, although I haven't seen anything to suggest such.

The Foreigner analogy is an interesting one to prove the sales impact (or lack thereof) of the remixes/re-records being part of the package. I never thought of it that way. But, it's not a perfect one, as Foreigner hasn't had anywhere near the pop culture resurgence Journey has in recent years (mainly thanks to DSB being used EVERYWHERE) and that alone makes it an imperfect comparison.

[Jana]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.

As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I agree re the point about the re-records not being a big factor in helping to sell. But they loved that the DVD was on there.

RE whether Arrival or Revelations is better. Arrival is a better album than TBF overall for reasons I've stated b/f, more sophisticated rock album versus almost completely pop album for a lot of TBF. The problem is Augeri's vocals on some songs, while not bad, aren't that great, but yet still a soulful delivery on all. Somebody said he had been sick. Maybe the reason. Where Revelation would have been better if it had a more polished delivery on some songs, Arnel's vocals in tone and range and the classic sound was the standout for me on this CD. I would have to say because of the actual melodies and lyrics and for the actual sophistication of an older rock band releasing music in this decade but still retaining a band sound even on ballads I choose Arrival.

Yes, Arrival stands out because of its diversity in sound (e.g., it's not an attempted rehash at the 80s as Rev is, albeit a spirited attempt) - and because for me I find the song's stronger overall. As I said, I listen just a few choice Rev tracks at all anymore, and it's only been a year and a half.

Agree, with the bolded comment re diversity, and for me great melody. Although, I definitely like Revelation and most songs. Interestingly enough, though, Revelation songs translate well on stage, even the ones I don't really listen to on the CD. I really enjoy them live.

[kgdjpubs]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. I think the GH may have helped a little, but with the number of GH packages out there, the average consumer doesn't pick up a package that says Revelation if you want GH. The packaging said new album, NOT compilation. Value for money and proper promotion had more to do with it than anything.

Speaking thereof, has anyone heard actual numbers for the Foreigner cd? In effect, it's the same as Revelation, with the exception of remixing instead of re-recording the hits. Theory says that with Lou Gramm's voice on the hits, it SHOULD sell more if the hits are what is driving the package, although I haven't seen anything to suggest such.

The Foreigner analogy is an interesting one to prove the sales impact (or lack thereof) of the remixes/re-records being part of the package. I never thought of it that way. But, it's not a perfect one, as Foreigner hasn't had anywhere near the pop culture resurgence Journey has in recent years (mainly thanks to DSB being used EVERYWHERE) and that alone makes it an imperfect comparison.

I know, it's imperfect at best. It's a start though, and theoretically, if people want a GH package from Foreigner, it's probably the easiest--and cheapest--way to do it. Truthfully, the better way to do it would be to compare Foreigner new vs Foreigner GH to see what's selling more.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. I think the GH may have helped a little, but with the number of GH packages out there, the average consumer doesn't pick up a package that says Revelation if you want GH. The packaging said new album, NOT compilation. Value for money and proper promotion had more to do with it than anything.

Speaking thereof, has anyone heard actual numbers for the Foreigner cd? In effect, it's the same as Revelation, with the exception of remixing instead of re-recording the hits. Theory says that with Lou Gramm's voice on the hits, it SHOULD sell more if the hits are what is driving the package, although I haven't seen anything to suggest such.

The Foreigner analogy is an interesting one to prove the sales impact (or lack thereof) of the remixes/re-records being part of the package. I never thought of it that way. But, it's not a perfect one, as Foreigner hasn't had anywhere near the pop culture resurgence Journey has in recent years (mainly thanks to DSB being used EVERYWHERE) and that alone makes it an imperfect comparison.

I know, it's imperfect at best. It's a start though, and theoretically, if people want a GH package from Foreigner, it's probably the easiest--and cheapest--way to do it. Truthfully, the better way to do it would be to compare Foreigner new vs Foreigner GH to see what's selling more.

Yeah, I mean we both agree - the re-records/remixes don't have anywhere near the selling power that detractors of Rev's sales claim they do. I'm VERY objective about this, as I'm clearly not a huge, huge fan of Rev. It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

[kgdjpubs]

It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

Sure they can. You've been around here long enough to figure that one out...

[Ehwmatt]

It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

Sure they can. You've been around here long enough to figure that one out...

Touche sir, touche

[portland]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.




As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I feel that the re-records made me not like Journey very much as a band....to me they sold out. I know that the songs belong to all of them Perry/Schon/Cain...but they tried to come as close as they could to the originals and that left a bad taste in this fans mouth.

If they added one or two to Revelation then maybe it would have sat better with me but to just retread the classics to make people try and forget the huge part that Perry had in those songs is wrong.

The whole Walmart made them do it is bullshit...and I know that if NS did not want to do it.....no one would have made him (give me a break).

As for Arrival I play it more than some of my other CD's I have come to appreicate the writing on the songs and SA's voice although not close to Perry's is certainly listenable.

So I have no problem with AP...he is talented but I really hope for his sake the next album is really good....he deserves more than just going on the road and hammering out the DD night after night...Perry did that for years and he does not get much in the way of respect from Schon or Cain...except the retreads of the songs that are still played on the radio with his vocals.

and from what I have heard I really like the WET CD...I can't wait to add it to my collection that seems to be growing these days...this place has opened me up to all kids of new MR!!!

[Behshad]

It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

Sure they can. You've been around here long enough to figure that one out...

Touche sir, touche

The way your guys' conversations been going so far in this thread, its safe to say one or both of you is gonna get laid ,,,, now to figure out which one is the fucker and which one is the fuckee ;)

[Ehwmatt]

It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

Sure they can. You've been around here long enough to figure that one out...

Touche sir, touche

The way your guys' conversations been going so far in this thread, its safe to say one or both of you is gonna get laid ,,,, now to figure out which one is the fucker and which one is the fuckee ;)

[Behshad]

It just is what it is and people's allegiances to band lineup X or singer X can't cloud reality.

Sure they can. You've been around here long enough to figure that one out...

Touche sir, touche

The way your guys' conversations been going so far in this thread, its safe to say one or both of you is gonna get laid ,,,, now to figure out which one is the fucker and which one is the fuckee ;)

And it didnt take more than 3 minutes to figure that out, fucker

[Jana]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.




As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I feel that the re-records made me not like Journey very much as a band....to me they sold out. I know that the songs belong to all of them Perry/Schon/Cain...but they tried to come as close as they could to the originals and that left a bad taste in this fans mouth.

If they added one or two to Revelation then maybe it would have sat better with me but to just retread the classics to make people try and forget the huge part that Perry had in those songs is wrong.

The whole Walmart made them do it is bullshit...and I know that if NS did not want to do it.....no one would have made him (give me a break).

As for Arrival I play it more than some of my other CD's I have come to appreicate the writing on the songs and SA's voice although not close to Perry's is certainly listenable.

So I have no problem with AP...he is talented but I really hope for his sake the next album is really good....he deserves more than just going on the road and hammering out the DD night after night...Perry did that for years and he does not get much in the way of respect from Schon or Cain...except the retreads of the songs that are still played on the radio with his vocals.

and from what I have heard I really like the WET CD...I can't wait to add it to my collection that seems to be growing these days...this place has opened me up to all kids of new MR!!!

At my concert they played four new songs off Revelation, which for a ninety-minute concert is good, and they have played deeper cuts on tour this year and mixed it up on the deeper cuts. Most longtime fans have been very happy with the concert setlist for the most part, and the DD were freshened up and really enjoyable. Revelation got great reviews by all reviewers I've read when it was released and is now platinum. They have a new DVD out, top selling DVD, with seven new songs and deeper cuts. He's doing fine. No need to worry about him, Portland.

[portland]

If you think they sold that many copies because of the rerecords you're nuts. I don't know anyone he listens to the rerecords. They listen to them once and that's about it. No one bought the CD for the rerecords. Look at the Greatest Hits sales as proof. Just last week alone, Revelation (with rerecord greatest hits) recharted and the Greatest Hits had a major bump in sales. Not to mention Greatest Hits still sells like a motherfucker. They had to do the rerecords like it or not. That's Walmart. Again, you have no point except to complain.

Ehwmatt, Revelation is a better album than Arrival. JMO

I am very persuaded by the argument that the re-records didn't spurn sales of Rev as some would believe, given the ubiquitous and numerous Journey GH packages out there. The only added value the re-records added to the avg consumer was maybe a general sense that they were getting a lot for a little - i.e. 3 discs.




As for Revelation being better than Arrival, well we will just have to disagree in a big way there. I don't listen to Rev at all any more, save two songs. Nearly 9 years later I still play the fuck out of Arrival.

I feel that the re-records made me not like Journey very much as a band....to me they sold out. I know that the songs belong to all of them Perry/Schon/Cain...but they tried to come as close as they could to the originals and that left a bad taste in this fans mouth.

If they added one or two to Revelation then maybe it would have sat better with me but to just retread the classics to make people try and forget the huge part that Perry had in those songs is wrong.

The whole Walmart made them do it is bullshit...and I know that if NS did not want to do it.....no one would have made him (give me a break).

As for Arrival I play it more than some of my other CD's I have come to appreicate the writing on the songs and SA's voice although not close to Perry's is certainly listenable.

So I have no problem with AP...he is talented but I really hope for his sake the next album is really good....he deserves more than just going on the road and hammering out the DD night after night...Perry did that for years and he does not get much in the way of respect from Schon or Cain...except the retreads of the songs that are still played on the radio with his vocals.

and from what I have heard I really like the WET CD...I can't wait to add it to my collection that seems to be growing these days...this place has opened me up to all kids of new MR!!!

At my concert they played four new songs off Revelation, which for a ninety-minute concert is good, and they have played deeper cuts on tour this year and mixed it up on the deeper cuts. Most longtime fans have been very happy with the concert setlist for the most part, and the DD were freshened up and really enjoyable. Revelation got great reviews by all reviewers I've read when it was released and is now platinum. They have a new DVD out, top selling DVD, with seven new songs and deeper cuts. He's doing fine. No need to worry about him, Portland.

Jana - Just offering my view....and I am always accused of not saying anything nice about the current line up so I thought I would say something nice...I am over it now!!!

[steveo777]

As far as the rerecords on Revelation, I full well undestand why they did it, not that it makes it right to the longtime fans. The band has been touting the buzz words "legacy sound" and "we got the magic back". Following that theme, I'm sure they used those songs to showcase Arnel's voice and to prove to the world that he does sound like the Journey everyone remembers. So, in someone's fuckwad mentality, I'm sure the thought was let's prove it by playing the classics and have Arnel sing them.

[portland]

As far as the rerecords on Revelation, I full well undestand why they did it, not that it makes it right to the longtime fans. The band has been touting the buzz words "legacy sound" and "we got the magic back". Following that theme, I'm sure they used those songs to showcase Arnel's voice and to prove to the world that he does sound like the Journey everyone remembers. So, in someone's fuckwad mentality, I'm sure the thought was let's prove it by playing the classics and have Arnel sing them.

So in your opinion was it a good thing to do???

[RocknRoll]

I'm inclined to agree with you on this one. I think the GH may have helped a little, but with the number of GH packages out there, the average consumer doesn't pick up a package that says Revelation if you want GH. The packaging said new album, NOT compilation. Value for money and proper promotion had more to do with it than anything.

Speaking thereof, has anyone heard actual numbers for the Foreigner cd? In effect, it's the same as Revelation, with the exception of remixing instead of re-recording the hits. Theory says that with Lou Gramm's voice on the hits, it SHOULD sell more if the hits are what is driving the package, although I haven't seen anything to suggest such.

The Foreigner analogy is an interesting one to prove the sales impact (or lack thereof) of the remixes/re-records being part of the package. I never thought of it that way. But, it's not a perfect one, as Foreigner hasn't had anywhere near the pop culture resurgence Journey has in recent years (mainly thanks to DSB being used EVERYWHERE) and that alone makes it an imperfect comparison.

Can't attest to the accuracy of the numbers but found first week sales:

Journey/Revelation = 105,000 (ok, we know this is right)
Foreigner/Can't Slow Down = 19,000

Hard to believe the Foreigner number, but that's what I found. I did my part for both CDs.

BTW: Did anyone see Mick Jones and Kelly Hanson ringing the opening bell at the NYSE this morning? Now that's a bit different!! The CNBC commentators had no clue about the band and at least one guy was definitely around in the 80's

[steveo777]

As far as the rerecords on Revelation, I full well undestand why they did it, not that it makes it right to the longtime fans. The band has been touting the buzz words "legacy sound" and "we got the magic back". Following that theme, I'm sure they used those songs to showcase Arnel's voice and to prove to the world that he does sound like the Journey everyone remembers. So, in someone's fuckwad mentality, I'm sure the thought was let's prove it by playing the classics and have Arnel sing them.

So in your opinion was it a good thing to do???

Yes and no. A couple songs I could understand, but not the whole fucking DD. I'm sure there are folks that wrote blasphemy on that disc and used it as a frisbee.

[portland]

As far as the rerecords on Revelation, I full well undestand why they did it, not that it makes it right to the longtime fans. The band has been touting the buzz words "legacy sound" and "we got the magic back". Following that theme, I'm sure they used those songs to showcase Arnel's voice and to prove to the world that he does sound like the Journey everyone remembers. So, in someone's fuckwad mentality, I'm sure the thought was let's prove it by playing the classics and have Arnel sing them.

So in your opinion was it a good thing to do???

Yes and no. A couple songs I could understand, but not the whole fucking DD. I'm sure there are folks that wrote blasphemy on that disc and used it as a frisbee.

Actually a coaster!!!

[Playitloudforme]

MINE MINE MINE, GO GO GO, MINE MINE MINE!!!

[S2M]

I've already got all the full songs....not impressed. Better than any Talisman, but just 'Eh' for me.

Nothing that even comes close to 'Believe in Me'

[Aaron]

You heard it hear first: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... highlight=

I still don't get it but I respect Mac's opinion. Cheers to the WET boys.

[Deb]

I feel that the re-records made me not like Journey very much as a band....to me they sold out. I know that the songs belong to all of them Perry/Schon/Cain...but they tried to come as close as they could to the originals and that left a bad taste in this fans mouth.

If they added one or two to Revelation then maybe it would have sat better with me but to just retread the classics to make people try and forget the huge part that Perry had in those songs is wrong.

The whole Walmart made them do it is bullshit...and I know that if NS did not want to do it.....no one would have made him (give me a break).

As for Arrival I play it more than some of my other CD's I have come to appreicate the writing on the songs and SA's voice although not close to Perry's is certainly listenable.

So I have no problem with AP...he is talented but I really hope for his sake the next album is really good....he deserves more than just going on the road and hammering out the DD night after night...Perry did that for years and he does not get much in the way of respect from Schon or Cain...except the retreads of the songs that are still played on the radio with his vocals.

and from what I have heard I really like the WET CD...I can't wait to add it to my collection that seems to be growing these days...this place has opened me up to all kids of new MR!!![/b]

Your not done yet, then you've got JSS: Live In Madrid dvd/cd coming out December 4th. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgbol2Qhd9M
Nobody quite like him LIVE, once I get ya to a show, there'll be no turning back.

One happy camper here, gotta love it, two of the hardest working vocalists, lots of great stuff on the way!

Mr. Big Live in Tokyo dvd/cd - October 16

W.E.T. cd/dvd - November 6
EM -Mr Vocalist X'mas cd - November 11
TSO w/JSS show here in the 'Dome - November 18

JSS: Live in Madrid dvd/cd - December 4

[bluejeangirl76]

One happy camper here, gotta love it, two of the hardest working vocalists, lots of great stuff on the way!

Mr. Big Live in Tokyo dvd/cd - October 16

W.E.T. cd/dvd - November 6
EM -Mr Vocalist X'mas cd - November 11
TSO w/JSS show here in the 'Dome - November 18

JSS: Live in Madrid dvd/cd - December 4

I'm worried for you. I think if Perry added something to your list, a vortex would form around you and we might never see you again.