Question to Jeremy that he doesn't have to answer...

[Jana]

The Cain link above edited to be clickable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8CLNL9HvQ4


Funny he at first says, we looking forward to writing with him some and then laughs and says Neal and I have a handle on the writing department.

Translation: Arnel can kick it at the pinoy TV shows until we need him.

Pretty sad really. A true artist would fume at being locked out of the writing process. I hope Arnel fights tooth and nail to get involved in the writing process and shows us he's got something to bring to the table. That is, if he wants/can write. If he can't or won't, then he deserves every bit of pejorative karaoke singer type stuff that gets lobbed at him.

Writing is what separates an awesome musician from an awesome artist. Don't believe me anyone? Just go on YouTube and search for guitar videos. There's so many guys that can make Neal or insert good famous guitarist X look average in the technique department. But they're sitting there filming themselves in their bedroom. Why? Because they can't touch people with their writing.

Not trying to slam Arnel, but a "real" artists would have never joined a 30 year old band on their 6th singer (by my count anyway... could be wrong!). I guarantee that he has no input on what is played, or what is written. He's getting paid to live out his dreams. Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but he was in his 40's as a lounge singer... Just saying.

Disagree, you can be a "real" artists but if you're starving you're gonna take any gig you can. In this case he hit the jackpot and the gig was worldwide fame, and hopefully enough money to never have to work again after the Jboyzz are done.

I'm sure he's not gigging the Pinoy shows out of need or greed. Like GB said, probably contract or charity obligations.

Perry had a band, the band dissolved. He took a day job. Herbie called and he signed on the dotted line. If Herbie hadn't called, he'd probably start gigging local bands for a while. Perry didn't join Journey for just artistic reasons.

Good points.

[Ehwmatt]

Not trying to slam Arnel, but a "real" artists would have never joined a 30 year old band on their 6th singer (by my count anyway... could be wrong!). I guarantee that he has no input on what is played, or what is written. He's getting paid to live out his dreams. Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but he was in his 40's as a lounge singer... Just saying.

- Who gives a shit if he has input or not. Journey is a band and however they decide to conduct the writing process makes no fucking difference to me as long as the outcome yields great music. For the sake of argument, if you found out that Perry (this is obviously impossible) never wrote one lyric for Journey, would it change the songs for you in any way? It sure as shit wouldn't for me. Do you have some sort of erotic mind's eye view of the guys during the writing process that affects the way you hear the songs? Homo!

Perry did write, that's the difference. Who's to say how good or bad the songs would have been without his input? They sure as shit wouldn't be exactly the same.

I think the whole notion of not writing is lame man. He's out there, RIGHT NOW, making a chameleon of himself imitating Bryan Adams in one breath and Jimi Jamison in the next when he's the current lead singer of Journey. It's embarrassing. It was one thing when he had to scrape by to make a living, I'd never fault anyone for that, especially when they have as much raw talent as Arnel.

But now, he's got a ticket to the main stage and as lead singer, he should be involved in the creative stage at least in part. Quit imitating Journey's counterparts and put pen to paper or music to hard drive. After all the hubbub about his unique and challenging life, surely he should have some killer lyrical/conceptual ideas to get us over the hackneyed hump of faded wedding photographs and sunshower metaphors?

Now, maybe Fro and Friga won't let him write for whatever reason - ego trip, Arnel's not a good writer, whatever else there might be. It's no longer Arnel's fault (unless they won't let him because he's a miserable songwriter), but it doesn't make it any less lame. The finger just needs to be pointed elsewhere.

Bottom line is, the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else. Even in a heavily instrumental band like Dream Theater, James LaBrie contributes lyrics, melodies, and concepts regularly.

[Jana]

Not trying to slam Arnel, but a "real" artists would have never joined a 30 year old band on their 6th singer (by my count anyway... could be wrong!). I guarantee that he has no input on what is played, or what is written. He's getting paid to live out his dreams. Not trying to sound like an asshole here, but he was in his 40's as a lounge singer... Just saying.

- Who gives a shit if he has input or not. Journey is a band and however they decide to conduct the writing process makes no fucking difference to me as long as the outcome yields great music. For the sake of argument, if you found out that Perry (this is obviously impossible) never wrote one lyric for Journey, would it change the songs for you in any way? It sure as shit wouldn't for me. Do you have some sort of erotic mind's eye view of the guys during the writing process that affects the way you hear the songs? Homo!

Perry did write, that's the difference. Who's to say how good or bad the songs would have been without his input? They sure as shit wouldn't be exactly the same.

I think the whole notion of not writing is lame man. He's out there, RIGHT NOW, making a chameleon of himself imitating Bryan Adams in one breath and Jimi Jamison in the next when he's the current lead singer of Journey. It's embarrassing. It was one thing when he had to scrape by to make a living, I'd never fault anyone for that, especially when they have as much raw talent as Arnel.

But now, he's got a ticket to the main stage and as lead singer, he should be involved in the creative stage at least in part. Quit imitating Journey's counterparts and put pen to paper or music to hard drive. After all the hubbub about his unique and challenging life, surely he should have some killer lyrical/conceptual ideas to get us over the hackneyed hump of faded wedding photographs and sunshower metaphors?

Now, maybe Fro and Friga won't let him write for whatever reason - ego trip, Arnel's not a good writer, whatever else there might be. It's no longer Arnel's fault (unless they won't let him because he's a miserable songwriter), but it doesn't make it any less lame. The finger just needs to be pointed elsewhere.

Bottom line is, the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else. Even in a heavily instrumental band like Dream Theater, James LaBrie contributes lyrics, melodies, and concepts regularly.

Good points, Ehwmatt, but let me ask you this: You've stated W.E.T. is JSS's best album and you love it and you were only a fan of select songs before that. He didn't write one song on that album. Sall and Martensson wrote all the songs. You didn't diss him for the comment you just made re Arnel and Journey: "Bottom line is the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else."

[Ehwmatt]

Good points, Ehwmatt, but let me ask you this: You've stated W.E.T. is JSS's best album and you love it and you were only a fan of select songs before that. He didn't write one song on that album. Sall and Martensson wrote all the songs. You didn't diss him for the comment you just made re Arnel and Journey: "Bottom line is the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else."

I didn't know that, thanks for the info. Does it affect my enjoyment of the album? Not one bit.

I'm not shallow enough to discount good music just because someone on the recording didn't contribute to the writing process. My opinion of Rev is what it is solely because of the quality of songs - some good ones, some not so good ones, a couple terrible ones.

But, on the flip side, when you are a new member of a legendary band, I still think you should contribute to the creative process and make your presence known.

JSS didn't come into W.E.T. trying to establish himself as a legitimate replacement for one of the best singers of all time, Arnel did. I'm also on record as saying I'm not a gigantic fan of JSS by any stretch of imagination, as you said above. So I mean, if all this doesn't seem 100% consistent, you'll just have to take me at my word.

Maybe it has something to do with my being a musician. I know how much skill it takes to write a good song. That's what moves me when I hear these guys play. I can do a lot of what they do on their instruments, at least from a technical standpoint. The way they make it all fit together is what's truly remarkable. Hell, I even feel guilty calling myself a musician because I'm not anywhere near a creative musician - sure, I've written stuff and what not, but nothing worth a shit. It's fuckin hard!

[Saint John]

Perry did write, that's the difference. Who's to say how good or bad the songs would have been without his input? They sure as shit wouldn't be exactly the same.

I think the whole notion of not writing is lame man. He's out there, RIGHT NOW, making a chameleon of himself imitating Bryan Adams in one breath and Jimi Jamison in the next when he's the current lead singer of Journey. It's embarrassing. It was one thing when he had to scrape by to make a living, I'd never fault anyone for that, especially when they have as much raw talent as Arnel.

But now, he's got a ticket to the main stage and as lead singer, he should be involved in the creative stage at least in part. Quit imitating Journey's counterparts and put pen to paper or music to hard drive. After all the hubbub about his unique and challenging life, surely he should have some killer lyrical/conceptual ideas to get us over the hackneyed hump of faded wedding photographs and sunshower metaphors?

Now, maybe Fro and Friga won't let him write for whatever reason - ego trip, Arnel's not a good writer, whatever else there might be. It's no longer Arnel's fault (unless they won't let him because he's a miserable songwriter), but it doesn't make it any less lame. The finger just needs to be pointed elsewhere.

Bottom line is, the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else. Even in a heavily instrumental band like Dream Theater, James LaBrie contributes lyrics, melodies, and concepts regularly.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I just buy the album and judge it on substance. I don't give a shit who contributed what. Faithfully lists Jonathan Cain as the lone person as it pertains to writing credits and as a listener I don't view that song any more or less his than I do any other song in the catalog. I consider them all Journey songs.

And, for the record, Pineda has already submitted several roughly outlined songs to Neal and Jon. We'll just have to wait and see what happens with them. But if they come out with another album that in some way rivals Escape or Frontiers, the last fucking thing I'm gonna be doing to splitting cu-nt hairs and rifling through the songwriting credits to try to invalidate the album!

[Ehwmatt]

Perry did write, that's the difference. Who's to say how good or bad the songs would have been without his input? They sure as shit wouldn't be exactly the same.

I think the whole notion of not writing is lame man. He's out there, RIGHT NOW, making a chameleon of himself imitating Bryan Adams in one breath and Jimi Jamison in the next when he's the current lead singer of Journey. It's embarrassing. It was one thing when he had to scrape by to make a living, I'd never fault anyone for that, especially when they have as much raw talent as Arnel.

But now, he's got a ticket to the main stage and as lead singer, he should be involved in the creative stage at least in part. Quit imitating Journey's counterparts and put pen to paper or music to hard drive. After all the hubbub about his unique and challenging life, surely he should have some killer lyrical/conceptual ideas to get us over the hackneyed hump of faded wedding photographs and sunshower metaphors?

Now, maybe Fro and Friga won't let him write for whatever reason - ego trip, Arnel's not a good writer, whatever else there might be. It's no longer Arnel's fault (unless they won't let him because he's a miserable songwriter), but it doesn't make it any less lame. The finger just needs to be pointed elsewhere.

Bottom line is, the singer should be contributing melodies or lyrics if nothing else. Even in a heavily instrumental band like Dream Theater, James LaBrie contributes lyrics, melodies, and concepts regularly.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I just buy the album and judge it on substance. I don't give a shit who contributed what. Faithfully lists Jonathan Cain as the lone person as it pertains to writing credits and as a listener I don't view that song any more or less his than I do any other song in the catalog. I consider them all Journey songs.

And, for the record, Pineda has already submitted several roughly outlined songs to Neal and Jon. We'll just have to wait and see what happens with them. But if they come out with another album that in some way rivals Escape or Frontiers, the last fucking thing I'm gonna be doing to splitting cu-nt hairs and rifling through the songwriting credits to try to invalidate the album!

That's the last thing I'd be trying to do either. I judge it on substance too. Rev was an uneven effort for me, especially as time passed, that's all there is to it. I'm in your boat as far as all that.

But, I'd just rather see him at least trying to get involved in the creative process rather than running around the Phillipines aping singers from bands that competed with Journey back in the band. It's just painful to watch, regardless of how good he is at it.

[Saint John]

Does it affect my enjoyment of the album? Not one bit.

This is your cue to remove your foot from your mouth and shut the fuck up.

And while I agree, to some extent, with your point about "fronting a legendary band," in the end, it simply comes down to the music they put out. And my thoughts are this...if Arnel is able to be a part of the writing process that yields the best possible result, he'll be included. If he's not able to contribute, and Neal and Jon think they have it taken care of, he won't. Either way, I won't do anything but give the music a good listen and judge it on merit.

[Ehwmatt]

Does it affect my enjoyment of the album? Not one bit.

This is your cue to remove your foot from your mouth and shut the fuck up.

And while I agree, to some extent, with your point about "fronting a legendary band," in the end, it simply comes down to the music they put out. And my thoughts are this...if Arnel is able to be a part of the writing process that yields the best possible result, he'll be included. If he's not able to contribute, and Neal and Jon think they have it taken care of, he won't. Either way, I won't do anything but give the music a good listen and judge it on merit.

That's all I'll do as well (judge on the merits). But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

[Saint John]

But, I'd just rather see him at least trying to get involved in the creative process rather than running around the Phillipines aping singers from bands that competed with Journey back in the band. It's just painful to watch, regardless of how good he is at it.

I forgot to address this. That's a cultural thing, Matt. That's what they do over there and that's what he loves to do. And it's really only message board geeks like us that even know he's doing it. Besides, he can't sing Journey songs. That's part of the deal. DSB and Faithfully were the exceptions last time. This time I think it covers all Journey songs.

[Saint John]

But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

And that would be fair. But I think you'll get your wish and see him on at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the writing credits.

[Ehwmatt]

But, I'd just rather see him at least trying to get involved in the creative process rather than running around the Phillipines aping singers from bands that competed with Journey back in the band. It's just painful to watch, regardless of how good he is at it.

I forgot to address this. That's a cultural thing, Matt. That's what they do over there and that's what he loves to do. And it's really only message board geeks like us that even know he's doing it. Besides, he can't sing Journey songs. That's part of the deal. DSB and Faithfully were the exceptions last time. This time I think it covers all Journey songs.

I know Asians love to mimic... my last keyboard player was filipino, guy could nail every fuckin song and part I threw at him, but when it came time for his input, he'd try, but everything would be so stilted and formulaic.

[Ehwmatt]

But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

And that would be fair. But I think you'll get your wish and see him on at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the writing credits.

Good. I want him to, for his own good. The guy's gonna have to or at least want to work after Friga and Fro are done, isn't he?

[Jana]

But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

And that would be fair. But I think you'll get your wish and see him on at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the writing credits.

If the next Journey album comes out and Arnel didn't write one song or only has minimal input but is an amazing album, I will love the album and not care one iota if he contributed much in the way of lyrics or melodies to it. Others will and I get that and understand what they're saying. Augeri's input to Arrival songwritingwise was not huge, compared to, say, Perry in TBF, and multiple other songwriters were brought in and used on Arrival, but I love that album more than TBF lyrically and melodywise.

[JasonD]

But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

And that would be fair. But I think you'll get your wish and see him on at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the writing credits.

If the next Journey album comes out and Arnel didn't write one song or only has minimal input but is an amazing album, I will love the album and not care one iota if he contributed much in the way of lyrics or melodies to it. Others will and I get that and understand what they're saying. Augeri's input to Arrival songwritingwise was not huge, compared to, say, Perry in TBF, and multiple other songwriters were brought in and used on Arrival, but I love that album more than TBF lyrically and melodywise.

... And besides, just b/c Arnel can sing that doesn't necessarily mean he can compose. Not every singer has that talent. Since I don't know Arnel personally, I don't want to presume too much here --- the guy could be another Beethoven for all I know --- but I can talk about what I do know & that's my own artistic limitations. I can dance anything you could throw at me: ballroom, jazz, tap, break, hip hop, contemporary, ballet, waltz, krump, fox trot, salsa.... & so on. I can do back flips, handstands, the splits, moonwalk.... yadda, yadda, yadda..... but ask me to choreograph & I'm lost. I just don't have the knack. Every time I think I have an original idea it ends up looking like a rip-off of someone else's.

I would like to believe Arnel is a just diamond in the rough & that all he needs is a little coaxing to bring out his creative genius, but that might not be the case.

[Saint John]

Augeri's input to Arrival songwritingwise was not huge, compared to, say, Perry in TBF

Sometimes less is more. TBF sucks.

[Jubilee]

... And besides, just b/c Arnel can sing that doesn't necessarily mean he can compose. Not every singer has that talent. Since I don't know Arnel personally, I don't want to presume too much here --- the guy could be another Beethoven for all I know --- but I can talk about what I do know & that's my own artistic limitations. I can dance anything you could throw at me: ballroom, jazz, tap, break, hip hop, contemporary, ballet, waltz, krump, fox trot, salsa.... & so on. I can do back flips, handstands, the splits, moonwalk.... yadda, yadda, yadda..... but ask me to choreograph & I'm lost. I just don't have the knack. Every time I think I have an original idea it ends up looking like a rip-off of someone else's.

I would like to believe Arnel is a just diamond in the rough & that all he needs is a little coaxing to bring out his creative genius, but that might not be the case.

Good point, JD. At this point we just don't have enough familiarity with Pineda's body of work to know where his strengths lie. Up to this point the only thing we can determine is that he is a fine singer, and an incredible mimic. The question really is who is Arnel Pineda as an artist? He has demonstrated the ability to recreate the sound of nearly any other artist, but what does Pineda's real voice sound like? What are his capabilities as a songwriter? And how will that mesh with the "Legacy" sound?

Will the real Arnel Pineda please stand up!

[Jana]

... And besides, just b/c Arnel can sing that doesn't necessarily mean he can compose. Not every singer has that talent. Since I don't know Arnel personally, I don't want to presume too much here --- the guy could be another Beethoven for all I know --- but I can talk about what I do know & that's my own artistic limitations. I can dance anything you could throw at me: ballroom, jazz, tap, break, hip hop, contemporary, ballet, waltz, krump, fox trot, salsa.... & so on. I can do back flips, handstands, the splits, moonwalk.... yadda, yadda, yadda..... but ask me to choreograph & I'm lost. I just don't have the knack. Every time I think I have an original idea it ends up looking like a rip-off of someone else's.

I would like to believe Arnel is a just diamond in the rough & that all he needs is a little coaxing to bring out his creative genius, but that might not be the case.

Good point, JD. At this point we just don't have enough familiarity with Pineda's body of work to know where his strengths lie. Up to this point the only thing we can determine is that he is a fine singer, and an incredible mimic. The question really is who is Arnel Pineda as an artist? He has demonstrated the ability to recreate the sound of nearly any other artist, but what does Pineda's real voice sound like? What are his capabilities as a songwriter? And how will that mesh with the "Legacy" sound?

Will the real Arnel Pineda please stand up!

Who do you think is singing in Revelation disc one? It certainly doesn't sound like Perry by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't trying to. Arnel pure and simple. I love his vocal tone in Revelation, which is a very distinct tone.

Turn Down The World Tonight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEgwJMjoTk

Where Did I Lose Your Love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24WiH9HNQA

After All These Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRRfj-pF9k

[Jubilee]

Good point, JD. At this point we just don't have enough familiarity with Pineda's body of work to know where his strengths lie. Up to this point the only thing we can determine is that he is a fine singer, and an incredible mimic. The question really is who is Arnel Pineda as an artist? He has demonstrated the ability to recreate the sound of nearly any other artist, but what does Pineda's real voice sound like? What are his capabilities as a songwriter? And how will that mesh with the "Legacy" sound?

Will the real Arnel Pineda please stand up!

Who do you think is singing in Revelation disc one? It certainly doesn't sound like Perry by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't trying to. Arnel pure and simple. I love his vocal tone in Revelation, which is a very distinct tone.

Turn Down The World Tonight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEgwJMjoTk

Where Did I Lose Your Love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24WiH9HNQA

After All These Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRRfj-pF9k

I dunno, Jana. I agree it doesn't sound exactly like Perry, but it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to hear that it's very Perry-esque - especially on WDILYL. My question is, it that Pineda's natural sound, or is it an affectation? If it's natural, great. If it's not, how long does Journey intend to carry on with this charade?? Frankly, I'm looking forward to this next CD. Should be very interesting.

[Michigan Girl]

Will the real Arnel Pineda please stand up!

Who do you think is singing in Revelation disc one? It certainly doesn't sound like Perry by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't trying to. Arnel pure and simple. I love his vocal tone in Revelation, which is a very distinct tone.

Turn Down The World Tonight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEgwJMjoTk

Where Did I Lose Your Love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24WiH9HNQA

After All These Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRRfj-pF9k

I'm w/Jana on this!! I hear his inflection/passion in these songs!!
Now, whether or not these songs stand the test of time, for me, remains
a mystery, but Arnel ownes them!!

[Michigan Girl]

MATTY!!! Guess what I'm doing RIGHT NOW!!!!

"clickin' the mouse"?

Yeah....I got nothin'!!

[FishinMagician]

But, I'd just rather see him at least trying to get involved in the creative process rather than running around the Phillipines aping singers from bands that competed with Journey back in the band. It's just painful to watch, regardless of how good he is at it.

I forgot to address this. That's a cultural thing, Matt. That's what they do over there and that's what he loves to do. And it's really only message board geeks like us that even know he's doing it. Besides, he can't sing Journey songs. That's part of the deal. DSB and Faithfully were the exceptions last time. This time I think it covers all Journey songs.

I know Asians love to mimic... my last keyboard player was filipino, guy could nail every fuckin song and part I threw at him, but when it came time for his input, he'd try, but everything would be so stilted and formulaic.

N=1

[steveo777]

Revelation is kind of a unique beast, in that it wasn't tailored to a particular singer, only a ghost voice of what has been (Trying to recapture the Perry magic, which was huge). All the band knew is that they were looking for a singer and they'd best have some new music to play once they found one. The album was rushed, plain and simple. I love most of it, and actually, they did quite well considering the time constraints. While a lot of people feel that doing the retreads was just plain wrong, I can also understand the motivation to do so, outside of the Walmart requirement. It gave the band a chance to show off the goods and to sound like the Journey people remember, almost to a fault. There is no denying that Arnel has the gift and I just wish, like many, that he could work out the accent an diction issues. When I heard him live it didn't matter all that much. It seems easier for me to pick it out when I hear him on recorded versions of the songs.

Whether or not he is capable of real creative input remains to be seen. Given the circumstances he came from, the opportunity he was given, even if it meant straight up copying the original voice, was a huge, huge opportunity for anyone in the Filipino community......beyond anyone's wildest dreams. No matter what anyones says, he should be very satisfied to be chosen for the gig, in any capacity. Now Neal says he wants a conceptual album. I can see the rest of the band translating Arnel's input regarding life and turning them into some real meaningful songs. While Arnel may not straight out write the lyrics...and that's ok, he will bring the soul, emotions and the feedback. At minimum the melodies will be composed around his unique sound. So I can see how the next efforts could work out very well and produce a great album.

I can't believe I managed to get thru this post without cussing anybody out...........fucking keyboard!

[wednesday's child]

... And besides, just b/c Arnel can sing that doesn't necessarily mean he can compose. Not every singer has that talent. Since I don't know Arnel personally, I don't want to presume too much here --- the guy could be another Beethoven for all I know --- but I can talk about what I do know & that's my own artistic limitations. I can dance anything you could throw at me: ballroom, jazz, tap, break, hip hop, contemporary, ballet, waltz, krump, fox trot, salsa.... & so on. I can do back flips, handstands, the splits, moonwalk.... yadda, yadda, yadda..... but ask me to choreograph & I'm lost. I just don't have the knack. Every time I think I have an original idea it ends up looking like a rip-off of someone else's.

I would like to believe Arnel is a just diamond in the rough & that all he needs is a little coaxing to bring out his creative genius, but that might not be the case.

Good point, JD. At this point we just don't have enough familiarity with Pineda's body of work to know where his strengths lie. Up to this point the only thing we can determine is that he is a fine singer, and an incredible mimic. The question really is who is Arnel Pineda as an artist? He has demonstrated the ability to recreate the sound of nearly any other artist, but what does Pineda's real voice sound like? What are his capabilities as a songwriter? And how will that mesh with the "Legacy" sound?

Will the real Arnel Pineda please stand up!

Nel's own material has been out for some time, you know?
(albeit heavily filtered by the studio/label, to suit Pinoy tastes, IMO)

Frankly, I think his rock preference would go over fine with Deen and Neal,
and they'd tweak what needs tweaking. The inescapable Filipino soft spot for
ballads would keep that bastard Cain happy.

Ross is too cool to give a fuck, JM2.

[portland]

Augeri's input to Arrival songwritingwise was not huge, compared to, say, Perry in TBF

Sometimes less is more. TBF sucks.

Dan shut up!!!! To you TBF sucks...others here are actually are quite fond of it.....and if we are talking the writing of the best Journey music would we not be talking Perry/Schon/Cain???

[RocknRoll]

But I'll still make fun of Arnel for not being able to write and running around Asia imitating Bryan Adams in lieu of creating.

And that would be fair. But I think you'll get your wish and see him on at least 1/2 to 3/4 of the writing credits.

I gotta' agree with this. My guess is no matter how much or how little AP contributes to any of the songs you will see him with writing credits on a fair amount of the album.

I think it would be Journey's version of a 401K for retirement.

[steveo777]

Augeri's input to Arrival songwritingwise was not huge, compared to, say, Perry in TBF

Sometimes less is more. TBF sucks.

Dan shut up!!!! To you TBF sucks...others here are actually are quite fond of it.....and if we are talking the writing of the best Journey music would we not be talking Perry/Schon/Cain???

Ya got me there. I'm one of them. There are a couple throw aways though. I have exctly two that I don't dig, which are It's Just The Rain and Colors Of The Spirit. They might be ok songs but just don't connect with me.

[Saint John]

and if we are talking the writing of the best Journey music would we not be talking Perry/Schon/Cain???

I'm on record as saying they're the best writing team ever.

[steveo777]

and if we are talking the writing of the best Journey music would we not be talking Perry/Schon/Cain???

I'm on record as saying they're the best writing team ever.

So far........

Send Cain on a gay whorehouse vacation for a couple weeks and bring in Jack Blades.

[G.I.Jim]

and if we are talking the writing of the best Journey music would we not be talking Perry/Schon/Cain???

I'm on record as saying they're the best writing team ever.

I'm on the record as saying you like ding dongs! I do agree with you though.

[stevew2]

The Cain link above edited to be clickable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8CLNL9HvQ4


Funny he at first says, we looking forward to writing with him some and then laughs and says Neal and I have a handle on the writing department.

Translation: Arnel can kick it at the pinoy TV shows until we need him.

who is Cain? Friga loves saying "package"