Question to Jeremy that he doesn't have to answer...

[Don]

Cain can write rock, but it is usually in the realm of soft rock. The guy plays a piano so it's natural that all the stuff that he is the PRIMARY contributor on leans to an adult contempemporary style.

Journey's stuff since he came on board is pretty sanitized. Rock has always had gritty lyrics but you won't find much of that post Captured. Where's the songs about having a beer and being with your girlfriend in the backseat? I think this a big reason Richie Sambora and Jon Bon Jovi are in the songwriters hall of fame, while Cain/Perry/Schon are not. Journey uses a lot of abstract terminology in their songs that tries to placate everyone but comes across as an afterschool special musically. They write the stuff that can be easily transfered to the Disney channel and covered by 12 year olds. I'm not letting Perry off the hook on this either but his solo stuff is more adult sounding, even if it does come across as depressing emo-pop, sometimes.

You know what though? Generations, for all thats wrong with it (plenty), had some GREAT lyrical moments. These guys are capable of good lyrics when they want to. I think Signs of Life is an excellent lyrical song too... the "I'm not a dead man walkin without you" line is great.

I think they do get that rocking feel to their lyrics with songs like Do You Recall, When You're In Love It Ain't Easy, and Party's Over, and there are some other good ones in the catalog, such Ask The Lonely (When you're feeling love's unfair, you just ask the lonely - great stuff I think), Trial by Fire (the song), Mother Father, and Who's Cryin Now.

Now, they aren't singing songs laced with metaphor or rife with historical significance, and some of their lyrics leave a lot to be desired, but they aren't too bad across the board imo and there are some gems in there. I think when they set out to tell a story, ala Better Life, FITH, Mother Father, even maybe Turn Down The World Tonight (I can picture the couple in that song), or I'll Be Alright Without You, they have done a great job. I'm no lyrical analyst or specialist, especially with this kind of music, because there's so much to focus on above the lyrics: The big harmonies, soaring vocals, melodic guitar, keys, great drumming etc.

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

[Rick]

Cain can write rock, but it is usually in the realm of soft rock. The guy plays a piano so it's natural that all the stuff that he is the PRIMARY contributor on leans to an adult contempemporary style.

Journey's stuff since he came on board is pretty sanitized. Rock has always had gritty lyrics but you won't find much of that post Captured. Where's the songs about having a beer and being with your girlfriend in the backseat? I think this a big reason Richie Sambora and Jon Bon Jovi are in the songwriters hall of fame, while Cain/Perry/Schon are not. Journey uses a lot of abstract terminology in their songs that tries to placate everyone but comes across as an afterschool special musically. They write the stuff that can be easily transfered to the Disney channel and covered by 12 year olds. I'm not letting Perry off the hook on this either but his solo stuff is more adult sounding, even if it does come across as depressing emo-pop, sometimes.

You know what though? Generations, for all thats wrong with it (plenty), had some GREAT lyrical moments. These guys are capable of good lyrics when they want to. I think Signs of Life is an excellent lyrical song too... the "I'm not a dead man walkin without you" line is great.

I think they do get that rocking feel to their lyrics with songs like Do You Recall, When You're In Love It Ain't Easy, and Party's Over, and there are some other good ones in the catalog, such Ask The Lonely (When you're feeling love's unfair, you just ask the lonely - great stuff I think), Trial by Fire (the song), Mother Father, and Who's Cryin Now.

Now, they aren't singing songs laced with metaphor or rife with historical significance, and some of their lyrics leave a lot to be desired, but they aren't too bad across the board imo and there are some gems in there. I think when they set out to tell a story, ala Better Life, FITH, Mother Father, even maybe Turn Down The World Tonight (I can picture the couple in that song), or I'll Be Alright Without You, they have done a great job. I'm no lyrical analyst or specialist, especially with this kind of music, because there's so much to focus on above the lyrics: The big harmonies, soaring vocals, melodic guitar, keys, great drumming etc.

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

If they are, AP hasn't gotten the memo. He's doing the karaoke lounge thing ad nauseum over there.

[portland]

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

If they are, AP hasn't gotten the memo. He's doing the karaoke lounge thing ad nauseum over there.

I still don't get that one????

[Ehwmatt]

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

If they are, AP hasn't gotten the memo. He's doing the karaoke lounge thing ad nauseum over there.

I still don't get that one????

If you're asking me what I mean, AP's over there singing other 80s song non-stop...

If you're saying you don't understand why he's doing it (I think you are), I can't help you.

[Don]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

[portland]

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

If they are, AP hasn't gotten the memo. He's doing the karaoke lounge thing ad nauseum over there.

I still don't get that one????

If you're asking me what I mean, AP's over there singing other 80s song non-stop...

If you're saying you don't understand why he's doing it (I think you are), I can't help you.

Umm that is what I meant

[Jana]

Cain can write rock, but it is usually in the realm of soft rock. The guy plays a piano so it's natural that all the stuff that he is the PRIMARY contributor on leans to an adult contempemporary style.

Journey's stuff since he came on board is pretty sanitized. Rock has always had gritty lyrics but you won't find much of that post Captured. Where's the songs about having a beer and being with your girlfriend in the backseat? I think this a big reason Richie Sambora and Jon Bon Jovi are in the songwriters hall of fame, while Cain/Perry/Schon are not. Journey uses a lot of abstract terminology in their songs that tries to placate everyone but comes across as an afterschool special musically. They write the stuff that can be easily transfered to the Disney channel and covered by 12 year olds. I'm not letting Perry off the hook on this either but his solo stuff is more adult sounding, even if it does come across as depressing emo-pop, sometimes.

You know what though? Generations, for all thats wrong with it (plenty), had some GREAT lyrical moments. These guys are capable of good lyrics when they want to. I think Signs of Life is an excellent lyrical song too... the "I'm not a dead man walkin without you" line is great.

I think they do get that rocking feel to their lyrics with songs like Do You Recall, When You're In Love It Ain't Easy, and Party's Over, and there are some other good ones in the catalog, such Ask The Lonely (When you're feeling love's unfair, you just ask the lonely - great stuff I think), Trial by Fire (the song), Mother Father, and Who's Cryin Now.

Now, they aren't singing songs laced with metaphor or rife with historical significance, and some of their lyrics leave a lot to be desired, but they aren't too bad across the board imo and there are some gems in there. I think when they set out to tell a story, ala Better Life, FITH, Mother Father, even maybe Turn Down The World Tonight (I can picture the couple in that song), or I'll Be Alright Without You, they have done a great job. I'm no lyrical analyst or specialist, especially with this kind of music, because there's so much to focus on above the lyrics: The big harmonies, soaring vocals, melodic guitar, keys, great drumming etc.

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

He was earlier on. Surprisingly, in late September in concert his voice wasn't really raspy at all. I was shocked it was so clear, except where he wanted it in a couple songs.
But my stance on all these shows is a few here or there fine if they're taking a year off, which from what I read most bands don't tour three years in a row. So a song on a show here or there is fine to me on all these shows and isn't the same as a heavy Journey show for a complete tour, and will help sell the DVDs over there. But if he goes full throttle doing more and more instead of concentrating on diction improvement for the upcoming album and not letting it slide backwards being in the Phils, and resting his vocals and himself physically, then I don't agree. Working on improving his diction more and vocal resting should be of paramount importance heading into this new album.

[Ehwmatt]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

[G.I.Jim]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

Agreed Matt... that was horrible! I just don't get it.

[portland]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

Well we shall see what this does for the new voice of Journey.....I just don't get it

[StoneCold]

That's just his shtick he got raspy to match Hagar then lessened up when he went into "Jump". You gotta remember that's a pinoy audience. He's not wooried about accents and inflections there.

[Don]

I'm sure there will be plenty more of these moments coming our way this year.

[perryswoman]

Okay that sucked!!! When it journey going to tell him to shut the F up when he is not singing with them? Also his vocal cords already sound damaged. Give me a break! I have always liked Arnel but this is getting ridiculous!

[Jeremey]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

[perryswoman]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

Now that was hilarious!

[stevew2]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

Thats really good, im glad

[slucero]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

HAHAHA!

[SherriBerry]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

Well we shall see what this does for the new voice of Journey.....I just don't get it

Journey needs to buy out Arnel's contract from his old manager and give him a major raise so he can stop doing this. I understand that Arnel is trying to earn money and keep his profile high in the Philippines for his future, but it's hurting his and the band's present. This does not look good, nor does it sound good and it must be hard on Arnel's voice.

If Journey is serious about taking care of their lead singer, they should be able to pay him enough now so that he doesn't have to take a second job to fund his retirement! Besides, it may be accepted in the Philippines, but anyone interested in the band or Arnel is going to search YouTube and find stuff like that performance. With the Internet and YouTube, I can't think of any lead singer of any major band who would go on TV anywhere to mimic other artists, even at gunpoint. Once Arnel became the lead singer of Journey, this kind of performance should have stopped.

[SherriBerry]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

Thats really good, im glad

I'm glad too - good on you, it's a great song Jeremey!

[wednesday's child]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

God bless you, Jeremey!

[mikemarrs]

Well, they've got plenty of time to write for the next album. Pineda seems pretty busy on the variety show circuit, really not taking any break since the tour has finished. Based on that activity, I'm really believing that there will be no tour this summer, so in effect no album. I also don't believe this is Schon's choice but management's call.

I'm wondering if they're taking a year off to get AP some vocal treatment. He was sounding fairly raspy at times this fall.

I really doubt that. The guy has had over half a dozen T.V. appearances just in October alone. I can't see him shutting down for surgery. He was just singing Van Halen's Dreams and Jump on one show. IF he beats down his voice, I can't see myself having any sympathy for him.

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

Well we shall see what this does for the new voice of Journey.....I just don't get it

Journey needs to buy out Arnel's contract from his old manager and give him a major raise so he can stop doing this. I understand that Arnel is trying to earn money and keep his profile high in the Philippines for his future, but it's hurting his and the band's present. This does not look good, nor does it sound good and it must be hard on Arnel's voice.

If Journey is serious about taking care of their lead singer, they should be able to pay him enough now so that he doesn't have to take a second job to fund his retirement! Besides, it may be accepted in the Philippines, but anyone interested in the band or Arnel is going to search YouTube and find stuff like that performance. With the Internet and YouTube, I can't think of any lead singer of any major band who would go on TV anywhere to mimic other artists, even at gunpoint. Once Arnel became the lead singer of Journey, this kind of performance should have stopped.

i agree one hundred percent.that also reflects back on the band too.i mean c'mon surely they could bump his earnings up enough to where he doesn't have to do all this extra side stuff especially when its just causing more wear and tear.

[wednesday's child]

Arnel doesn't really need the added money (or the wear on his voice).

If you want to understand these cheap-ass noontime-TV covers, you need
to look at his manager's cut of any action, and imagine that Arnel himself
is just too nice to say no to requests for him to sing.

I'd prefer Arnel sing his own material, if Journey songs are verboten, but
that's up to his manager to hammer out.

[Don]

I don't think it's a money issue. I was thinking it's a contract issue as he's going to be performing with his old band also. Most Journey fans probably won't even care what he's doing as they're a casual bunch anyway. As long as he can sing the dirty dozen in 2011, whether it be a half step or full step down, they'll be happy. I got a feeling though that if he keeps this up, the next album isn't going to be much like the legacy sound, which without a monster Wal-Mart distribution deal could mean a lot less sales than this last album.

[Don]

Arnel doesn't really need the added money (or the wear on his voice).

If you want to understand these cheap-ass noontime-TV covers, you need
to look at his manager's cut of any action, and imagine that Arnel himself
is just too nice to say no to requests for him to sing.

I'd prefer Arnel sing his own material, if Journey songs are verboten, but
that's up to his manager to hammer out.

Is Arnel really singing live? I thought most of these shows used playback after recording the vocals earlier.

[wednesday's child]

Arnel doesn't really need the added money (or the wear on his voice).

If you want to understand these cheap-ass noontime-TV covers, you need
to look at his manager's cut of any action, and imagine that Arnel himself
is just too nice to say no to requests for him to sing.

I'd prefer Arnel sing his own material, if Journey songs are verboten, but
that's up to his manager to hammer out.

Is Arnel really singing live? I thought most of these shows used playback after recording the vocals earlier.

I've only seen one, recently where he might have been lipping.
Have to change channels after less than half a minute, because I can
only take so much abomination. Not knocking Arnel's vox at all: I just
would rather he sing his own shit than covers, if he's not allowed to
sing Journey material.

These noontime shows DO roll tape/HD when the less-talented are up
for their turn to "sing" onstage.

wech

[ttango1]

I was under the impression that a songwriter gets paid ANY TIME ANY SONG that said songwriter is a contributor gets played or performed commercially. That means if someone in Japan played NWA, then J got paid along with everyone else, same as SA for FITH. Lawyers & Accounts talk to rights & clearances people to ensure proper payments.

There is a reason that some shows when they go to DVD, they do not keep the original score because to do so would cost lots of money. I dig the show Las Vegas. The chicks are hot and well...it's Vegas baby! The song, A Little Less Conversation by Elvis is the main theme song for the show. In the DVD sets, it's only played 1 time but not for every episode.

So, in terms of rights and clearances, I'm sure the severance package from Jon & Neal to Jeremey will continue to be a decent settlement. I was going to use the word fair but I don't know if that's the correct term. Only Jeremey could say that it is.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Have you made much from your writing credit on Rev?

Just curious.

Yes.

Thread starts with a simple question,
gets 4 pages in before it is simply
answered and it's still going. Glad you
answered J cuz by page 2 I had forgot
what the damn thread was about

Amazing...

[aliaslen]

Okay that sucked!!! When it journey going to tell him to shut the F up when he is not singing with them? Also his vocal cords already sound damaged. Give me a break! I have always liked Arnel but this is getting ridiculous!

His voice was still OK . He sang van halen with too much raspiness on the morning show, and the night on that same day he sang styx medley where his voice sounded very clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKAq_4ZijzA

[Ehwmatt]

Okay that sucked!!! When it journey going to tell him to shut the F up when he is not singing with them? Also his vocal cords already sound damaged. Give me a break! I have always liked Arnel but this is getting ridiculous!

His voice was still OK . He sang van halen with too much raspiness on the morning show, and the night on that same day he sang styx medley where his voice sounded very clear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKAq_4ZijzA

No, that is an abomination. Dreams is one of my favorite VH songs and he butchered it way worse than the local drunk at karaoke night. Way fucking worse. HORRIBLE. It seriously makes me angry to watch.