Question to Jeremy that he doesn't have to answer...

[ttango1]

It'd be so much easier if you guys just put the needle on the record.

Same Ol Shit from the same ol peeps. Circle Jerking must be fun for you guys.

The TV Show is a cultural thing. Why you guys bang on the guy for the accent when he is on Philippine TV talking to Philippine hosts, and performing to a primarily Philippine audience is unreal. That'd be like telling Willie Nelson at the Grand Ol' Opry to speak without a twang...THAT SHIT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN diction police.

I get it when he's here in America, that the diction could be pose an issue but ONLY YOU GUYS MAKE IT THAT BIG AN ISSUE and truthfully, the complaints are LIMITED TO THIS BOARD
All that bitchin and moaning has made you feel good but really, Journey has gone out and has done better than most any group that had their apex in melodic rock. Sans The Steve.

I think J's song contribution is awesome and he deserves applause and whatever royalties are due. Props to you sir.
But the rest of this stuff is almost an utter waste of time.

The concerts are still an event, the records and DVDs are still being bought and played...that right there is proof positive that what Journey is doing, is simply working. If it's working, what is there to fix?

I don't care if the TV show is a religious ritual intended to establish lines of communication to deceased family members, it stinks to high heavens! It's an embarrassment to Arnel and as a fan of Arnel, you are doing him a huge disservice defending his performing on these kinda things.

As far as the diction, believe me, I know people outside this board, including people who aren't even big fans of Journey and wouldn't know Steve Perry from Steve Martin who hear it loud and clear and think it's absurd.

No I'm not doing a disservice to anyone, that is YOUR OWN MISPERCEPTION. What I'm doing is defending his right to do so if he wants to.
He's doing the same thing that Deen Castronovo is doing, but you same peeps ain't giving Deen any grief...Why not?
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=44545

Sometimes, even the drummer for Journey gets bored.

That gentleman — who goes by the name of Deen Castronovo and lives in Keizer — needed something to fill his time since he got off tour, so E.R.M.C. was born. The group — which also includes music luminaries such as Bob Esh on bass and vocals, Brian Phyll Miller on vocals and Jesse Ruggles on guitar and vocals — will be playing all kinds of classic rock — tonight.

There may be some Journey snuck in there, Castronovo said, though they don't have a keyboardist, which complicates things.

Even better, 25 percent of the proceeds will be donated to area nonprofits.

"Union Gospel Mission and the Boys and Girls' Club ... we're just gonna pick one every week that we play and give it to them," Castronovo said.

Umm...Deen is doing it his way and Arnel is doing it the way that it's done in the PI with the most impact but yet, Deen gets no grief whatsoever from you same cats. Why the double standard?

And as for the diction, I know people outside this board who hear it loud and clear? Yeah how many of those people you know are people in a position of power or influence to make their disdain so well know that it actually affects Journey in a negative light.

REALITY...ZERO because it they were in that position, then this conversation would already be over. RECOGNIZE!

[Ehwmatt]

No I'm not doing a disservice to anyone, that is YOUR OWN MISPERCEPTION. What I'm doing is defending his right to do so if he wants to.
He's doing the same thing that Deen Castronovo is doing, but you same peeps ain't giving Deen any grief...Why not?
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=44545

Sometimes, even the drummer for Journey gets bored.

That gentleman — who goes by the name of Deen Castronovo and lives in Keizer — needed something to fill his time since he got off tour, so E.R.M.C. was born. The group — which also includes music luminaries such as Bob Esh on bass and vocals, Brian Phyll Miller on vocals and Jesse Ruggles on guitar and vocals — will be playing all kinds of classic rock — tonight.

There may be some Journey snuck in there, Castronovo said, though they don't have a keyboardist, which complicates things.

Even better, 25 percent of the proceeds will be donated to area nonprofits.

"Union Gospel Mission and the Boys and Girls' Club ... we're just gonna pick one every week that we play and give it to them," Castronovo said.

Umm...Deen is doing it his way and Arnel is doing it the way that it's done in the PI with the most impact but yet, Deen gets no grief whatsoever from you same cats. Why the double standard?

And as for the diction, I know people outside this board who hear it loud and clear? Yeah how many of those people you know are people in a position of power or influence to make their disdain so well know that it actually affects Journey in a negative light.

REALITY...ZERO because it they were in that position, then this conversation would already be over. RECOGNIZE!

Yea, Deen is playing music. Arnel is singing over cheap backing tapes that might as well be MIDI instruments and sounding terrible in the process. If you don't see the difference you're a mental midget and I ain't got the time for you.

[Don]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

[Ehwmatt]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

[Don]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

[Andrew]

As if you have all the answers yourself, genius! Thanks for the good laugh...fucktard!

I got plenty more than you. Not that I'm bragging though, since that's akin to saying you can beat up a two-year-old.

From your vocabulary, it seems you would be the two year old. STFUOICYFTO! Now be a good boy and go shit fire.

If you wish to continue posting here - you will pull your head in.

[Ehwmatt]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

Yeah, that excuse is wearing thin.

[steveo777]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

The pinoys over on his site are all ga-ga over this shit. The cultural thing seems to fit. There is a 180 degree difference between the way they view this vs. the way most of us here do.

[Don]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

Yeah, that excuse is wearing thin.

Last year when he was doing it, no one ever mentioned culture. It was all supposedly being done to promote the upcoming show in Manila. Now, though with nothing on the horizon, this excuse pops up.

[stevew2]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

i was going to put friga in there but i better not

[Ehwmatt]

I don't think the analogy with Deen works. Deen wasn't the one having to sing in Eb because of the grueling catalog or having has contract worded to limit the number of shows he could do in one week.

We've heard all year how the band is trying to protect Arnel's voice yet as soon as he's off the leash, he's out there trying to imitate singers who sing in a totally different range than he does. Obviously, Arnel can do whatever he wants but why does Journey have to perform stepped down shows if Arnel is allowed to play videoke king during the off-season?

Deen is playing music, Arnel is fuckin singing over cheap karaoke tapes. The rest of the stuff about preserving the voice is important too, but the analogy/comparison ends there as far as any logical person is concerned.

I guess it's a case of "You can take the singer out of the lounge but you can't take the lounge out of the singer". I really don't have an explanation for it. The cultural issue excuse seems to be a convenient crutch though.

Yeah, that excuse is wearing thin.

Last year when he was doing it, no one ever mentioned culture. It was all supposedly being done to promote the upcoming show in Manila. Now, though with nothing on the horizon, this excuse pops up.

If the shoe fits, right?

[steveo777]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

[Jana]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

That's how he does that song and always has. His performance at the NBC show for Manila Awards his voice was very clear.

[steveo777]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

That's how he does that song and always has. His performance at the NBC show for Manila Awards his voice was very clear.

I have an MP3 of this on my iPod that sounds much better. Oh well, maybe it's just my ears today.

[Enigma869]

Go watch some of the video clips of Arnel from his recent Pinoy TV appearances. a little of his build diminished,

How is that even possible???? The dude is three foot eight and weighs less than my size 14 Nikes!

[Saint John]

How is that even possible???? The dude is three foot eight and weighs less than my size 14 Nikes!

But I bet he smells better!

[Enigma869]

Who do you think is singing in Revelation disc one? It certainly doesn't sound like Perry by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't trying to. Arnel pure and simple. I love his vocal tone in Revelation, which is a very distinct tone.

Turn Down The World Tonight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEgwJMjoTk

Where Did I Lose Your Love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24WiH9HNQA

After All These Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRRfj-pF9k

The end of "Turn Down The World Tonight" couldn't be more Perry if he tried! Hell...it's not that dissimilar to the end of "Faithfully"!

[Rick]

Who do you think is singing in Revelation disc one? It certainly doesn't sound like Perry by any stretch of the imagination and he wasn't trying to. Arnel pure and simple. I love his vocal tone in Revelation, which is a very distinct tone.

Turn Down The World Tonight - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GEgwJMjoTk

Where Did I Lose Your Love - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24WiH9HNQA

After All These Years - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRRfj-pF9k

The end of "Turn Down The World Tonight" couldn't be more Perry if he tried! Hell...it's not that dissimilar to the end of "Faithfully"!

Because it was written by the same people. And I'm sure the singing was coached by them as well.

[Enigma869]

Holy sweet mother of everything holy this is AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKvQdg

We'll get a-higher and a-higher stwait up we'll fly

We'll get a-higher and a-higher, live it all beehind

Any Journey fan not appalled that the lead singer of Journey is over there sounding like this on other 80s bands songs needs to have their fuckin head examined.

Not sure why Arnel would ever try to go down the Sammy Hagar road. Arnel has a great voice but Hagar is a completely different singer than Arnel. This guy belongs NOWHERE near ANY Van Halen song!

[larryfromnextdoor]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

he sounds great here!! its.. ALMOST PARADISE!...

[perryswoman]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

he sounds great here!! its.. ALMOST PARADISE!...

Not too bad. Sounds like Bryan Adams. What does his real voice sound like? lol

[stevew2]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

he sounds great here!! its.. ALMOST PARADISE!...

Not too bad. Sounds like Bryan Adams. What does his real voice sound like? lol

sorry to say, Ive never heard his real voice

[portland]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

he sounds great here!! its.. ALMOST PARADISE!...

Not too bad. Sounds like Bryan Adams. What does his real voice sound like? lol

sorry to say, Ive never heard his real voice

and I don't think we ever will

[Don]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

[Ehwmatt]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

I mean regardless of Friga and Fro's intentions and plans for longevity or lack of it, I hope he's got someone good helping him manage his earnings. I'm sure he's making a nice penny off of these tours, which should be pretty good as long as he doesn't totally blow it.

There is absolutely no post-Journey market for him in the States, book it.

[perryswoman]

I don't think he sounds good on one of his own songs from his album with the Zoo. This was done yesterday, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1YkGynUVE

I don't know if it's on purpose but his voice has the sound of wear and tear.

he sounds great here!! its.. ALMOST PARADISE!...

Not too bad. Sounds like Bryan Adams. What does his real voice sound like? lol

sorry to say, Ive never heard his real voice

and I don't think we ever will

Me neither

[Jana]

I think Arnel is failing to realise that he made a deal with the devil when he joined Journey. He's made enough money to live on for a long time but he is clinging to this belief that he'll be able to pick back up his Philippine career when his Journey gig is over and everything will be better than it was originally. As AP is getting older, his voice has the added problem of singing Journey's catalog. When Frig and Fro are done with him, there will be plenty of Pinoy youngbloods who will be able to sing him under the table when it comes to Survivor tunes and other ballad type songs that he used to cover. The Pinoy entertainment industry didn't care about him before Journey came along and probably won't care about him after he leaves Journey, especially if he can no longer singer sing with that nice clean tenor voice that many Filipino singers seem to prefer. I just think that if these gigs are supposed to be helping him gain a fanbase at home, he's swimming upstream big time. Journey is his dream gig. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. You're just going to end up burning your candle out even faster by doing this.

I mean regardless of Friga and Fro's intentions and plans for longevity or lack of it, I hope he's got someone good helping him manage his earnings. I'm sure he's making a nice penny off of these tours, which should be pretty good as long as he doesn't totally blow it.

There is absolutely no post-Journey market for him in the States, book it.

Well, actually, when he did those little concerts in the U.S. for charity shows he was the main draw over the other headliner, and it was about 2,000 at each concert. My friend went and said it was obvious they were all there mainly for Arnel as they were screaming and carrying on over him. I think he would have a following of Plokkers here in the U.S. for concerts like that compared to maybe not in the Philippines. I was surprised to find out at first the majority of his Filipino fans were here in the U.S. and not as many in the Philippines, but then started growing larger over there. Arnel is a simple guy and has said so re material things. He will save his money and he still has quite a few years left with Journey to bank even more more.

Off this DVD I'm sure it will go platinum since they're sold out again, which means it is still selling. How much does he get off that?

He will command a lot of respect over there in the Phils if he stays with Journey for a good length of time and has that as his badge of honor and also b/c of his charity.

[Don]

A hundred thousand DVDs sold is all that is required to go platinum. 10,000 units is actually enough to debut at number one. MÖTLEY CRÜE's last DVD sold 7,000 copies in its first week of release to debut at No. 1 on Billboard's Top Music Videos chart. AC-DC on the other hand sold 35k on their #1 debut on the chart. Billboard doesn't even have the chart on their site. It's more like a subchart like the Adult Contemporary charts. Arnel can still make a pretty penny from it but it's nothing like what the other band members (and even Perry) made from Revelation. Were not talking 100s of thousands of discs sold in the case of the DVD. The band obviously weren't expecting much from the Revelation album, hense not including Arnel in the spoils as an equal partner. Granted, his contribution beyond laying down the vocals was non-existant anyway. The DVD probably gets him an equal share but I'm sure it's nowhere near the windfall that came from Revelation.

[Jana]

A hundred thousand DVDs sold is all that is required to go platinum. 10,000 units is actually enough to debut at number one. MÖTLEY CRÜE's last DVD sold 7,000 copies in its first week of release to debut at No. 1 on Billboard's Top Music Videos chart. AC-DC on the other hand sold 35k on their #1 debut on the chart. Billboard doesn't even have the chart on their site. It's more like a subchart like the Adult Contemporary charts. Arnel can still make a pretty penny from it but it's nothing like what the other band members (and even Perry) made from Revelation. The band obviously weren't expecting much from that album and didn't include Arnel in the spoils. Granted, his contribution beyond laying down the vocals was non-existant anyway.

I swear it sounded like he got something from Revelation that way he spoke in an interview in th phils, which was part Tagalog, so hard to follow, but talking about how he would be making more this past year and somehow Revelation was mentioned.

[Don]

A hundred thousand DVDs sold is all that is required to go platinum. 10,000 units is actually enough to debut at number one. MÖTLEY CRÜE's last DVD sold 7,000 copies in its first week of release to debut at No. 1 on Billboard's Top Music Videos chart. AC-DC on the other hand sold 35k on their #1 debut on the chart. Billboard doesn't even have the chart on their site. It's more like a subchart like the Adult Contemporary charts. Arnel can still make a pretty penny from it but it's nothing like what the other band members (and even Perry) made from Revelation. The band obviously weren't expecting much from that album and didn't include Arnel in the spoils. Granted, his contribution beyond laying down the vocals was non-existant anyway.

I swear it sounded like he got something from Revelation that way he spoke in an interview in th phils, which was part Tagalog, so hard to follow, but talking about how he would be making more this past year and somehow Revelation was mentioned.

He gets something from it, of course, just not the same as everyone else I would think. Neal said he had become a fullfledged member of the band months after the album released. I think he's talking about future projects. You cant alter the other band members shares for that album after the fact.