Arnel Pineda flatly denies rumors that he is leaving Journey

[Don]

Scum & maggots.

[bluejeangirl76]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

[steveo777]

Scum & maggots.

What........... no cockroaches?

[steveo777]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Perry called for the firing of Valory and Smith. As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again. Also gives me an idea of the size of SP's ego at that time, but who doesn't have an ego at that level of success. The man was a vocal god.

[bluejeangirl76]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Perry called for the firing of Valory and Smith. As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again. Also gives me an idea of the size of SP's ego at that time, but who doesn't have an ego at that level of success. The man was a vocal god.

I'm aware of all that. I didn't think it needed to be spelled out since we've all been around here for more than five minutes and know the history.

[steveo777]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Perry called for the firing of Valory and Smith. As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again. Also gives me an idea of the size of SP's ego at that time, but who doesn't have an ego at that level of success. The man was a vocal god.

I'm aware of all that. I didn't think it needed to be spelled out since we've all been around here for more than five minutes and know the history.

I'm sure you are, but I only pointed it out because others want to demonize the band over how they have let singers go. Just pointing out that Mr. Perry had some of that same ethic in him as well.

[journeyrock]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Very well said! And I agree 117%

[ScarabGator]

[quote="ttango1"]
Scarab you make me laugh. You realize your boy Tebow was born in the Philippines. Some of my peeps in JVill have asked him what he thought of Journey and they say he thinks they're cool and AP is awesome

[quote]

Dude, are you serious? Contrary to popular belief Im not blowing Tim Tebow.... I think arnie boy can sing and is a hell of a talent, just not for Journey. And yes, I knew Timmy was born in the Phillipines because his folks were on a missionary trip during that time. And I also know that he digs Journey, but that doesnt change my opinion of your arnie boy in Journey.

[journeyrock]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

[steveo777]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

[Michigan Girl]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Very well said! And I agree 117%

LOL....I love it when you get fired up....WHOA!!!

+1

[portland]

Come on, BJG, throwing in Fleischman is silly.

Why? He served at the singer, did he not? He counts as much as JSS did. Maybe they didn't record anything or weren't there very long, but they were in the lead singer position and were both underhandedly booted out.

Still silly - well, imho . Neal didn't want him out, nor Rolie. Herbie called the shots and said: Perry is in, end of story, Fleischman is out.

The discussion was Neal and Jon re their "so-called underhanded firing" of Augeri, Perry and JSS -- in my mind I guess the discussion, anyway. By all means, throw in extraneous stuff. like Herbie firing Fleischman in the 70s. I

My point being, that a band with a history of wacky firings (including Valory and Smith, but since the topic was singers, I didn't go there), regardless of who did it or why, I'd be making sure my ass had a contract and that I was gonna be paid if they decided to clean house again, that's all.

And since many seem to think that in all cases, there was "good reason" for each "replacement of personnel" (and I'm not arguing whether the reasons were good - in one case yes, in two cases no and in one case, neutral) then I cannot wait to see how the same people defend it the next time it happens. Let me not be mistaken, I don't want to see it occur again, but these guys seem to turn their backs on their BROTHER$ awful damn fa$t when the chip$ are down, {if ya know what I mean}, and I am not excluding the ridiculousness of the Valory and Smith replacings either. That was just "wtf?!"

Brother$, my a$$, get that $hit in writing, is all I'm $aying.

Nice Po$t......Agreed I would want $omething in writing a$ well!!!!!!!

[portland]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

[Escape81]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Actually..... I think in the GQ interview, NS admits he was "no picnic" to be around (esp. when he was drinking)..... I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him...... as for NS "fuck you" comments, you should understand that given the problems with ROR and TBF, and his constant attempts to build that bridge again (not to mention his repeated invitations to Mr. P)..... and last but not least the rumors that SP was paid like a full fledged member from '98 to '08.... NS has EVERY RIGHT to be angry with SP.

[ScarabGator]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Actually..... I think in the GQ interview, NS admits he was "no picnic" to be around (esp. when he was drinking)..... I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him...... as for NS "fuck you" comments, you should understand that given the problems with ROR and TBF, and his constant attempts to build that bridge again (not to mention his repeated invitations to Mr. P)..... and last but not least the rumors that SP was paid like a full fledged member from '98 to '08.... NS has EVERY RIGHT to be angry with SP.

And I bet Schon curses Perry's name each day he deposits checks in the bank.....

[Since 78]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Actually..... I think in the GQ interview, NS admits he was "no picnic" to be around (esp. when he was drinking)..... I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him...... as for NS "fuck you" comments, you should understand that given the problems with ROR and TBF, and his constant attempts to build that bridge again (not to mention his repeated invitations to Mr. P)..... and last but not least the rumors that SP was paid like a full fledged member from '98 to '08.... NS has EVERY RIGHT to be angry with SP.

+178%

[CatEyes]

I'm sure you are, but I only pointed it out because others want to demonize the band over how they have let singers go. Just pointing out that Mr. Perry had some of that same ethic in him as well.

Yes. And Mr. P had the cajones to later say that it was not a wise decision.

Haven't heard squat from Riff and Raff.

Cat

[steveo777]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Actually..... I think in the GQ interview, NS admits he was "no picnic" to be around (esp. when he was drinking)..... I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him...... as for NS "fuck you" comments, you should understand that given the problems with ROR and TBF, and his constant attempts to build that bridge again (not to mention his repeated invitations to Mr. P)..... and last but not least the rumors that SP was paid like a full fledged member from '98 to '08.... NS has EVERY RIGHT to be angry with SP.

Uh, except to the extent that we make the bed we sleep in. None of em were perfect angels. I have a couple friends who are recovering alcoholics and are ashamed of how they treated people when they were still getting drunk. There's one guy I've been friends with for 20 years and I know the difference in how he conducts himself nowdays when he's sober. He's a much better person now.

[Escape81]

????

What's your point Steveo? I'm not sure I follow..... the fact that both Steve and Neal admit to their mistakes doesn't change the fact that they made them..... it means both have enough class and humility to admit to the press, media, and the WORLD that they fucked up. I personally respect that.... but I also believe NS has a lot more to be angry about than SP..... especially if those rumors are true about Steve being paid like a full fledged member for ten years.

[Jana]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Actually..... I think in the GQ interview, NS admits he was "no picnic" to be around (esp. when he was drinking)..... I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him...... as for NS "fuck you" comments, you should understand that given the problems with ROR and TBF, and his constant attempts to build that bridge again (not to mention his repeated invitations to Mr. P)..... and last but not least the rumors that SP was paid like a full fledged member from '98 to '08.... NS has EVERY RIGHT to be angry with SP.

+178%

++178

I think his Fuck You was in response to SP's don't crack the stone comment (when he was out there on his solo tour singing a bunch of Journey songs) and the I never felt like I was part of the band comment. It was an honest response in the interview, not as bad as people make it out to be. and yeah, yeah, sp comes back with his I didn't mean it like it sounded comment on I never felt part of the band.

[Red13JoePa]

I think the apologies from SP have demonstrated that he has a measure of class to him......

What apologies are those?

[Jana]

As he would later admit, looking back, that he would not have done it again.

It seems by that statement that Mr. Perry learned something from his ethic there, the others just keep repeating it.

I agree with you. I know many people who done something, where if they had it to do all over again, would have made a different decision. People can learn and grow from their mistakes. I also believe the other members of this band can do the same.

And that is where the difference with Perry and Schon lies.....Perry admits he was a prick at times and made a mistake Neal just says Fuck HIM were done!!!

Rewriting history again, I see, Portland.

[Don]

????

What's your point Steveo? I'm not sure I follow..... the fact that both Steve and Neal admit to their mistakes doesn't change the fact that they made them..... it means both have enough class and humility to admit to the press, media, and the WORLD that they fucked up. I personally respect that.... but I also believe NS has a lot more to be angry about than SP..... especially if those rumors are true about Steve being paid like a full fledged member for ten years.

If Perry got paid, it was only because Neal agreed to it. Schon could have just said fuck it, changed the name of the band and still performed Journey songs. It takes two to tango. Coming back 10 years after you agreed to something and crying about it just sounds like sour grapes.

[journeyrock]

????

What's your point Steveo? I'm not sure I follow..... the fact that both Steve and Neal admit to their mistakes doesn't change the fact that they made them..... it means both have enough class and humility to admit to the press, media, and the WORLD that they fucked up. I personally respect that.... but I also believe NS has a lot more to be angry about than SP..... especially if those rumors are true about Steve being paid like a full fledged member for ten years.

If Perry got paid, it was only because Neal agreed to it. Schon could have just said fuck it, changed the name of the band and still performed Journey songs. It takes two to tango. Coming back 10 years after you agreed to something and crying about it just sounds like sour grapes.

exactly!!!! He also could have kept at it until he got more of what HE wanted. Face it, Neal just isn't very smart when it comes to business sense. We all know that.

But he DOES play a mean guitar! And for the record I am a huge fan of his guitar work.

[Don]

I know people are going to say it's his band and he shouldn't have to change the name. The point is he AGREED to it anyway. He could have fought Perry over it if it was so important to him. He didn't lose a court battle decided by other people, he AGREED to it, plain and simple.

[Michigan Girl]

Sweet & Simple!!!

[lights1961]

Sweet & Simple!!!

Anyway you want it!!

good one MG.. .

[Jana]

I know people are going to say it's his band and he shouldn't have to change the name. The point is he AGREED to it anyway. He could have fought Perry over it if it was so important to him. He didn't lose a court battle decided by other people, he AGREED to it, plain and simple.

I never throw it out there. It's business. Perry got what he wanted and so did the band, to keep the name. Neither side is completely happy about the settlement. But their disagreements and split-ups and resolutions regarding business matters and comments to the press about each other are far milder between the parties than so many other bands. The stories are legendary of the behind the scenes discord, hate, animosity, you name it, of bands still together or not together.

They hung in there together long enough to put out a lot of great records and lasted longer than some great bands. And for many of us we're thankful over the years we've been able to still see the band live as they are absolutely tremendous musicians. One day this argument will be moot, anyway about who did what. Journey will retire in five to ten years or retire much sooner if illness or tragedy strikes, which could happen tomorrow. So those of us who love Journey, enjoy it while we can, that Neal and the guys still love to perform.

And Perry, well, I can't answer that. The chances are great we will never see him perform live again. New CD, good chance.

[Rockindeano]

Oh lord. here we go.

Steve Augeri with them ten years, made a ton of money, I'm sure a millionaire, instead of working at the GAP. Left only b/c his voice couldn't handle the catalogue anymore. JSS made more money from them in that brief period of time than he probably has in many, many of his own years combined, plus I'm sure he got something on the termination. Poor Journey singers, they really go to the poorhouse.

When it ends it ends with Arnel, and he will walk away a millionaire -- multi-millionaire.

Jana, you couldn't be more wrong with every situation you presented. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

[steveo777]

Oh lord. here we go.

Steve Augeri with them ten years, made a ton of money, I'm sure a millionaire, instead of working at the GAP. Left only b/c his voice couldn't handle the catalogue anymore. JSS made more money from them in that brief period of time than he probably has in many, many of his own years combined, plus I'm sure he got something on the termination. Poor Journey singers, they really go to the poorhouse.

When it ends it ends with Arnel, and he will walk away a millionaire -- multi-millionaire.

Jana, you couldn't be more wrong with every situation you presented. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

RockinDeano is probably their book keeper masquerading as a flamboyant MR poster.