New track by Jeff Scott Soto

[portland]

... pacing/style of songs Neal should make if he really wants to deliver us that oft-promised "rocker" of an album

A Neal rocker album or a Journey rocker album?
Big difference.

Soto is a Neal guy, not a Journey guy.



later~

Thow Cain in the mix and well.............faded photographs does not seem to = rocker!!

[Ehwmatt]

... pacing/style of songs Neal should make if he really wants to deliver us that oft-promised "rocker" of an album

A Neal rocker album or a Journey rocker album?
Big difference.

Soto is a Neal guy, not a Journey guy.



later~

Huh? Neal promises time after time that the "next Journey album" is going to be a straight-ahead "rocker." This is the blueprint he should follow. Nevermind who wrote the songs on WET or whatever the fuck other red herring the limpdicks here are talking about, this is the style he should go for if he truly wants to deliver a "rocking" Journey album.

[Jana]

... pacing/style of songs Neal should make if he really wants to deliver us that oft-promised "rocker" of an album

A Neal rocker album or a Journey rocker album?
Big difference.

Soto is a Neal guy, not a Journey guy.



later~

Huh? Neal promises time after time that the "next Journey album" is going to be a straight-ahead "rocker." This is the blueprint he should follow. Nevermind who wrote the songs on WET or whatever the fuck other red herring the limpdicks here are talking about, this is the style he should go for if he truly wants to deliver a "rocking" Journey album.

I don't know wht red herring you're talking about. People have been saying on and on this is the album Journey would have had with JSS a lot on here. The point was made not necessarily this is the album since he didn't write it.

Journey needs to stay with the Journey sound and rev it up a little bit if that's what they want re more rocking, not necessarily this style on WET as it isn't a Journey sound re the more rocking songs, except for some ballads sound more Journey like.

[Ehwmatt]

... pacing/style of songs Neal should make if he really wants to deliver us that oft-promised "rocker" of an album

A Neal rocker album or a Journey rocker album?
Big difference.

Soto is a Neal guy, not a Journey guy.



later~

Huh? Neal promises time after time that the "next Journey album" is going to be a straight-ahead "rocker." This is the blueprint he should follow. Nevermind who wrote the songs on WET or whatever the fuck other red herring the limpdicks here are talking about, this is the style he should go for if he truly wants to deliver a "rocking" Journey album.

I don't know wht red herring you're talking about. People have been saying on and on this is the album Journey would have had with JSS a lot on here. The point was made not necessarily this is the album since he didn't write it.

Journey needs to stay with the Journey sound and rev it up a little bit if that's what they want re more rocking, not necessarily this style on WET as it isn't a Journey sound re the more rocking songs, except for some ballads sound more Journey like.

The tempo, guitars, nature of the choruses, and even the synths are all blueprints that Journey should follow if it truly wants to rock. There might be a few places that would sound out of place heavy on a Journey song or album. I certainly don't think Journey would have cranked these twelve songs out had JSS stayed onboard. But, if Neal is going to continually promise the next one is going to "rock harder," then they should certainly go in this direction and not the Like a Sunshower direction! I feel gayer for just having typed that song name

[Jana]

... pacing/style of songs Neal should make if he really wants to deliver us that oft-promised "rocker" of an album

A Neal rocker album or a Journey rocker album?
Big difference.

Soto is a Neal guy, not a Journey guy.



later~

Huh? Neal promises time after time that the "next Journey album" is going to be a straight-ahead "rocker." This is the blueprint he should follow. Nevermind who wrote the songs on WET or whatever the fuck other red herring the limpdicks here are talking about, this is the style he should go for if he truly wants to deliver a "rocking" Journey album.

I don't know wht red herring you're talking about. People have been saying on and on this is the album Journey would have had with JSS a lot on here. The point was made not necessarily this is the album since he didn't write it.

Journey needs to stay with the Journey sound and rev it up a little bit if that's what they want re more rocking, not necessarily this style on WET as it isn't a Journey sound re the more rocking songs, except for some ballads sound more Journey like.

The tempo, guitars, nature of the choruses, and even the synths are all blueprints that Journey should follow if it truly wants to rock. There might be a few places that would sound out of place heavy on a Journey song or album. I certainly don't think Journey would have cranked these twelve songs out had JSS stayed onboard. But, if Neal is going to continually promise the next one is going to "rock harder," then they should certainly go in this direction and not the Like a Sunshower direction! I feel gayer for just having typed that song name

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Here you go, just for you , one of my favorites. How can this be gay? It's more like a '70s slow southern rock song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58so22zKHms

[Ehwmatt]

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Here you go, just for you , one of my favorites. How can this be gay? It's more like a '70s slow southern rock song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58so22zKHms

Slow southern rcok would be Tuesday's Gone by Skynyrd to me or Melissa by Allman Bros. Like a Sunshower is Lights 2.0 with a much gayer name

Let me get this straight, W.E.T. sounds dated but you love Revelation? We'll just have to agree to disagree there

[Jana]

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Here you go, just for you , one of my favorites. How can this be gay? It's more like a '70s slow southern rock song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58so22zKHms

Slow southern rcok would be Tuesday's Gone by Skynyrd to me or Melissa by Allman Bros. Like a Sunshower is Lights 2.0 with a much gayer name

Let me get this straight, W.E.T. sounds dated but you love Revelation? We'll just have to agree to disagree there

I said I like Revelation. Though, the songs do sound good in concert. But I never said I loved it. And I don't love W.E.T. either. I like it.

[kgdjpubs]

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Interesting comment. Not that the songs are all that different, but I would venture a guess to say that the production on Revelation is more modern (or at least less "80s-sounding"), where WET is closer to the "80s hard rock" production. The arrangements on Revelation are certainly more out-of-the-box than the tried and true WET arrangements.

[brywool]

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Interesting comment. Not that the songs are all that different, but I would venture a guess to say that the production on Revelation is more modern (or at least less "80s-sounding"), where WET is closer to the "80s hard rock" production. The arrangements on Revelation are certainly more out-of-the-box than the tried and true WET arrangements.

both good comments. I also think WET sounds dated. Some of the lyrics are kind of cheesy too and have "SoundTrack" vibes. Not as bad as the lyrics to "What it Takes to Win" but still hokey. I think that Revelation sounds more like a modern version of the 80s, while WET sounds like the 80s. I like the guitar riffs on the album quite a bit. JSS sounds decent and it's pretty easy to hear his influences, though I hear strain in several tracks. Who cares? It's a ROCK record, right? I give it a 7.
Those saying this is what Journey could've been- I don't really see that. I see that this is what Soul Sirkus might've turned into.

[kathyhelms]

Thanks so much.

[Ehwmatt]

Well, your comments make sense then in the context you make them. Though, I differ in opinion b/c I think a lot of this rocking sound is dated and generic on W.E.T. The ballads stand out to me.

Interesting comment. Not that the songs are all that different, but I would venture a guess to say that the production on Revelation is more modern (or at least less "80s-sounding"), where WET is closer to the "80s hard rock" production. The arrangements on Revelation are certainly more out-of-the-box than the tried and true WET arrangements.

both good comments. I also think WET sounds dated. Some of the lyrics are kind of cheesy too and have "SoundTrack" vibes. Not as bad as the lyrics to "What it Takes to Win" but still hokey. I think that Revelation sounds more like a modern version of the 80s, while WET sounds like the 80s. I like the guitar riffs on the album quite a bit. JSS sounds decent and it's pretty easy to hear his influences, though I hear strain in several tracks. Who cares? It's a ROCK record, right? I give it a 7.
Those saying this is what Journey could've been- I don't really see that. I see that this is what Soul Sirkus might've turned into.

Soul Sirkus sucked cock.

The guitar is heavy on WET, I love it. I still think Revelation is far more 80s sounding. It's not a bad thing in itself, that's the kinda music I listen to a lot of the time, but that was Journey trying to be Escape-era Journey through and through.

Where do you hear JSS straining? Not saying there's not places he might be, I just haven't picked up on it and I'd like to hear where you hear strain. One thing I've learned from critiquing singers and listening to others' critiques is that strain can often be in the ear of the beholder, so to speak.

[Abitaman]

One thing I've learned from critiquing singers and listening to others' critiques is that strain can often be in the ear of the beholder, so to speak.

So True

[Babyblue]

Just love this song.That man is Amazing. JSS Rules!!!!!!!

[Deb]

Just love this song.That man is Amazing. JSS Rules!!!!!!!

Then you'll probably love the song in my sig too. Amazing vocals!

[Babyblue]

Just love this song.That man is Amazing. JSS Rules!!!!!!!

Then you'll probably love the song in my sig too. Amazing vocals!

Thanks Deb Do you know where i can find his cd's?Ilove it.

It could have been a Steve Perry song There are parts that JSS sounds so much like Perry.What a voice he has.

[YankeeRose]

W.E.T. is a lot better than Journeys last album. So i'd have to say it was a mistake for Journey not to continue on with JSS.

[Babyblue]

W.E.T. is a lot better than Journeys last album. So i'd have to say it was a mistake for Journey not to continue on with JSS.

I agree with you on that.But they wanted to go with a sound alike.The new kid is ok .....but just not journey to me any more.JMO!!!

[steveo777]

W.E.T. is a lot better than Journeys last album. So i'd have to say it was a mistake for Journey not to continue on with JSS.

I agree with you on that.But they wanted to go with a sound alike.The new kid is ok .....but just not journey to me any more.JMO!!!

And it would have been more Journey with JSS? hahahaha You smoke some good shit!

[Babyblue]

W.E.T. is a lot better than Journeys last album. So i'd have to say it was a mistake for Journey not to continue on with JSS.

I agree with you on that.But they wanted to go with a sound alike.The new kid is ok .....but just not journey to me any more.JMO!!!

And it would have been more Journey with JSS? hahahaha You smoke some good shit!

He is really better off without them.Journey is just not the same anymore.

[Jana]

W.E.T. is a lot better than Journeys last album. So i'd have to say it was a mistake for Journey not to continue on with JSS.

I agree with you on that.But they wanted to go with a sound alike.The new kid is ok .....but just not journey to me any more.JMO!!!

And it would have been more Journey with JSS? hahahaha You smoke some good shit!

He is really better off without them.Journey is just not the same anymore.

And they really wouldn't have been the same with him.

[donnaplease]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

[Babyblue]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

Thank You Donna I agree 300percent on that.I would have love for them to branch out with JSS.And Arnel is a good guy .......i just hope he will not get screwed by them.

I love Styx and DDY .But when that added Lawrance Gowan that was super as he is not a sound alike at all.That makes me love them more.

[Jana]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs Arnel sounds like Perry or is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. Jeremey or Hugo or Chalfant sounds more like Perry. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

Great songs on Revelation: Good Job, Journey, for writing some great songs and for Arnel's great vocals. Live in Manila:

TDTWT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_q-xRw8J4Y
WIN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vie1hfr3L3g
CFTB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OOEUbrZU0
WDILYL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DSJMR_NUw
AATY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp8cjvmfZ_w

[Babyblue]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs Arnel sounds like Perry or is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

Great songs on Revelation: Good Job, Journey, for writing some great songs and for Arnel's great vocals. Live in Manila:

TDTWT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_q-xRw8J4Y
WDILYL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DSJMR_NUw
CFTB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OOEUbrZU0
WIN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vie1hfr3L3g

I don't hear what you are with JSS.I hear him in his own style of music.I have listened to WET no Perry sound in there at all to me.Just pure JSS.As i have said Arnel is a good guy.....just not my cup of tea.I willlways love old journey.

[Jana]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs Arnel sounds like Perry or is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

Great songs on Revelation: Good Job, Journey, for writing some great songs and for Arnel's great vocals. Live in Manila:

TDTWT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_q-xRw8J4Y
WDILYL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DSJMR_NUw
CFTB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OOEUbrZU0
WIN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vie1hfr3L3g

I don't hear what you are with JSS.I hear him in his own style of music.I have listened to WET no Perry sound in there at all to me.Just pure JSS.As i have said Arnel is a good guy.....just not my cup of tea.I willlways love old journey.

Really? This is what you said earlier in the thread: "It could have been a Steve Perry song There are parts that JSS sounds so much like Perry."

JSS is great on W.E.T. If you prefer him with Journey, great. But you called Arnel a soundalike in your previous post. I posted songs from Revelation that sound nothing like Perry except Arnel has a tenor voice. If he's not your cup of tea, that's another thing, and I understand everybody has their preference and I respect that. But to say they have a soundalike going forward on new music by people on here I just don't get being used as an argument. They wanted someone with a tenor voice who could do justice to the old music, which Arnel does in spades. But re moving forward, I haven't had one friend think Arnel sounds remotely like Perry on the new music.

[donnaplease]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs Arnel sounds like Perry or is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. Jeremey or Hugo or Chalfant sounds more like Perry. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

The first time I heard AATY on the radio (on an 'oldies/soft rock' station), when it first came on I said 'holy shit, that sounds like Steve Perry!' and then realized what it was. It was a direct attempt to emulate the "Journey" sound that I described in my previous post. It's a good song. I haven't listened to much else because I really don't have the desire. But look, they are doing exactly what Neal and Jon said in interviews, trying to bring the "classic" sound, which again, is the Steve Perry sound.

I attended several Frontiers (Jeremey's band) shows during the same time I was going to Journey shows with JSS. I often remarked that if I wanted to hear the "classic" Journey, Frontiers was far better than Journey. I had a great time at the Journey shows because they were, well, Journey, and I attended with some great friends that I met here. I agree that it wasn't the classic Journey sound, but I was okay with that because they weren't trying to copy what was with an emulator. They made it fresh and different.

Kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s Sammy picked up some of the nuances of DLR's original version of the song, but changed it to make it his own. Jeff did that very well with the dirty dozen, IMO.

The bottom line is that Neal and Jon got exactly what they wanted (and that's ok, it's their band), but they (and/or the folks here) can't have it both ways. You can't say that they are 'evolving' when they are attempting to use the same formula that made them so successful in their prime, and that is the Steve Perry sound.

JSS has often said that Steve Perry is one of his influences, so I'm not surprised that he is taking some of his 'sound' in his songs. I think what some people are trying to say is that given the similarity noted in the WET songs to SP, it is something that could've been explored with JSS to keep some of the old vibe while expanding to that more rock-focused genre that Neal has talked about. In essence, they could've had their cake and eaten it too. It's really a moot point now, though. I wish Jeff Scott Soto all the success that he rightfully deserves.

[portland]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs Arnel sounds like Perry or is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. Jeremey or Hugo or Chalfant sounds more like Perry. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

The first time I heard AATY on the radio (on an 'oldies/soft rock' station), when it first came on I said 'holy shit, that sounds like Steve Perry!' and then realized what it was. It was a direct attempt to emulate the "Journey" sound that I described in my previous post. It's a good song. I haven't listened to much else because I really don't have the desire. But look, they are doing exactly what Neal and Jon said in interviews, trying to bring the "classic" sound, which again, is the Steve Perry sound.

I attended several Frontiers (Jeremey's band) shows during the same time I was going to Journey shows with JSS. I often remarked that if I wanted to hear the "classic" Journey, Frontiers was far better than Journey. I had a great time at the Journey shows because they were, well, Journey, and I attended with some great friends that I met here. I agree that it wasn't the classic Journey sound, but I was okay with that because they weren't trying to copy what was with an emulator. They made it fresh and different.

Kinda like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfrPrN1L_s Sammy picked up some of the nuances of DLR's original version of the song, but changed it to make it his own. Jeff did that very well with the dirty dozen, IMO.

The bottom line is that Neal and Jon got exactly what they wanted (and that's ok, it's their band), but they (and/or the folks here) can't have it both ways. You can't say that they are 'evolving' when they are attempting to use the same formula that made them so successful in their prime, and that is the Steve Perry sound.

JSS has often said that Steve Perry is one of his influences, so I'm not surprised that he is taking some of his 'sound' in his songs. I think what some people are trying to say is that given the similarity noted in the WET songs to SP, it is something that could've been explored with JSS to keep some of the old vibe while expanding to that more rock-focused genre that Neal has talked about. In essence, they could've had their cake and eaten it too. It's really a moot point now, though. I wish Jeff Scott Soto all the success that he rightfully deserves.

That was a great post..........

[Jana]

And it would have been more Journey with JSS?

No, and that's just the point. The Journey of our youth is gone, no matter how much some people like to try to convince us that just because Neal and Jon are there it's the same ol' Journey. It's not, period. With JSS, they had an opportunity to branch out and evolve, while still honoring the past. By choosing Arnel, they have proven once again (and admitted it more than once) that they are incapable of 'evolution' and only want to hang on to the past.

Revelation (from what I've heard from it) has the "Journey" sound. But...the "Journey" sound that everyone refers to is really the "Steve Perry" sound. If that's what they want, that's fine. Most of us have come to accept that. Arnel, by all accounts, is a good guy who's working hard to please the fans. But please, just be honest and call it like it is.

If you think on the new Revelation songs I don't think Arnel sounds like Perry nor is trying to, I don't hear it and I just don't get anyone that does. The sound is the type of songs written and then sung by a tenor with distinctive huskier vocals that aren't Perry's and he doesn't do the phrasing that Perry does that others emulate. Jeremey or Hugo or Chalfant sounds more like Perry. So, in fact, they are evolving. Do I want to hear the old songs in concert more like the Perry sound, tenor, and close to how he did them? Hell, yeah. And as much as JSS tried, he sang them like Perry did, it was just that his voice was deeper. He didn't put any new big spin on the songs. In fact, JSS is trying to sound like Perry on a couple of songs on W.E.T. and people are bragging about it.

The first time I heard AATY on the radio (on an 'oldies/soft rock' station), when it first came on I said 'holy shit, that sounds like Steve Perry!' and then realized what it was. It was a direct attempt to emulate the "Journey" sound that I described in my previous post. It's a good song. I haven't listened to much else because I really don't have the desire. But look, they are doing exactly what Neal and Jon said in interviews, trying to bring the "classic" sound, which again, is the Steve Perry sound.
The bottom line is that Neal and Jon got exactly what they wanted (and that's ok, it's their band), but they (and/or the folks here) can't have it both ways. You can't say that they are 'evolving' when they are attempting to use the same formula that made them so successful in their prime, and that is the Steve Perry sound.

Well, Donna, then you're making an opinion without listening to the songs I posted regarding their new music. Go back and listen to the ones I posted. Without listening to most of their new songs, I don't get how you can come up with such a remark. Because I don't hear a Steve Perry sound. I hear a classic rock Journey sound and Arnel's voice. If you hear Perry I don't get it. I hear a tenor with powerful soaring vocals and that great classic guitar sound from Neal harkening back to the classic days. That's about the only similarity. Like I said in another post, all of my friends who have listened to Revelation don't hear Perry at all and are actually disappointed. They wanted a Perry soundalike. Though, they all admit on the old music he is very similar.

TDTWT - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_q-xRw8J4Y
WIN - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vie1hfr3L3g
CFTB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OOEUbrZU0
WDILYL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9DSJMR_NUw

[donnaplease]

Well, Donna, then you're making an opinion without listening to the songs I posted regarding their new music. Go back and listen to the ones I posted. Without listening to most of their new songs, I don't get how you can come up with such a remark. Because I don't hear a Steve Perry sound. I hear a classic rock Journey sound and Arnel's voice. If you hear Perry I don't get it. I hear a tenor. That's about the only similarity. Like I said in another post, all of my friends who have listened to Revelation don't hear Perry at all and are actually disappointed. They wanted a Perry soundalike. Though, they all admit on the old music he is very similar.

That's the thing, Jana. I don't need to listen to them. I have Neal and Jon's own words to back up my theory. So there!

To each his own. This thread isn't about Arnel or Steve Perry anyway. It's about Jeff Scott Soto. I think we should let it get back on track.

[Jana]

Well, Donna, then you're making an opinion without listening to the songs I posted regarding their new music. Go back and listen to the ones I posted. Without listening to most of their new songs, I don't get how you can come up with such a remark. Because I don't hear a Steve Perry sound. I hear a classic rock Journey sound and Arnel's voice. If you hear Perry I don't get it. I hear a tenor. That's about the only similarity. Like I said in another post, all of my friends who have listened to Revelation don't hear Perry at all and are actually disappointed. They wanted a Perry soundalike. Though, they all admit on the old music he is very similar.

That's the thing, Jana. I don't need to listen to them. I have Neal and Jon's own words to back up my theory. So there!

To each his own. This thread isn't about Arnel or Steve Perry anyway. It's about Jeff Scott Soto. I think we should let it get back on track.

Informed opinion. All righty, then. Most of us think there's more to the Journey sound than Perry; otherwise, Perry solo songs would sound like the Journey sound and they don't. They wanted the Journey sound, powerful, soaring tenor vocals , absolutely, which Arnel has, and the classic sound versus the TBF or ROR songs, which Rev is more reminescent of their earlier music re Neal's playing, etc. They specifically said there were others that sounded almost exactly like Perry and they didn't want that. They wanted a powerful tenor, though. Hell, Deen sounds more like Perry than Arnel. He just doesn't have the powerful vocals that Arnel does.