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Postby Saint John » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:42 am

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What some don't understand and what is so underrated to a football game is field position. Just going for it on 4th and 2 seems all fine and dandy from a armchair quarterback viewpoint , but faced with the adversity to either go for it or kick it and put your team in a better situation to make a play, then I'm sure in the hot seat, you'd kick it as well, it's only sensible and common sense. If one can win the field position battle more times than none, then that team has the best chance at winning, and going for it on 4th and 2 on any end of the field is jeopardizing not only your game plan, but players trust as well in situational football, and it has come back to bite teams in the ass.


Two things, Trav. First: Belichick thought he had a better chance of getting a first down and ending the game than punting and stopping Manning and Co. To me, that's as close to a "no brainer" as possible without being a fact! I felt the same way...28 yards or 68...doesn't matter. Give Manning a crack and the game's over. He felt the same way.

Trust...Belichick is a master motivator and will turn this into a motivating force. His players fucking LOVE him. He has the ultimate respect because he coaches non-stop...something I've really only seen him do. Trust won't be an issue as far as the decision to go for it goes. Totally a moot point. Watch...his players will respond and not one of them will dissent or Brady, Moss or any other veteran will pound their nutsack to the goal post with a pair of spikes! Belichick preaches "team" and that team will forge ahead together.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:46 am

YoungJRNY wrote:LOVIN' the compliment. Just goes to show for 40 plus years the Bungles couldn't beat one team, being Pittsburgh. Glad to see we're in their heads also :lol: The Steelers will have another crack. The Division race isn't over as well. :wink:


Technically no it isn't but in reality, it is. We already went through the skeds- Both have two toughies left. Cincinnati is the real deal. You folks ought to worry about making the playoffs instead of thinking you're going to win the division. You have SD, DEN, JAX, HOU and Baltimore who you still have to play, all on your ass 1 game back.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:52 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:LOVIN' the compliment. Just goes to show for 40 plus years the Bungles couldn't beat one team, being Pittsburgh. Glad to see we're in their heads also :lol: The Steelers will have another crack. The Division race isn't over as well. :wink:


Technically no it isn't but in reality, it is. We already went through the skeds- Both have two toughies left. Cincinnati is the real deal. You folks ought to worry about making the playoffs instead of thinking you're going to win the division. You have SD, DEN, JAX, HOU and Baltimore who you still have to play, all on your ass 1 game back.


SD, DEN, JAX, HOU and Baltimore


San Diego is probably going to win the AFC West, and I think Denver (Orton less for a few weeks) will lose 4 more this season, they have the toughest schedule in the league from here on out. As for teams like Houston, Baltimore and Jacksonville, they will all eventually cross each other out one way or another. Judging by if Denver falters, which I expect them to, I can either see Baltimore or Houston snagging that 6th spot (yes, the North can send 3, not good for the AFC) or maybe even the Jets or Miami if they could somehow have a re emergence, but overall, the Bengals have some TOUGH match ups coming in a couple weeks, going to Minny and SD back to back weeks (obviously theirs to lose), so, the division isn't over just yet. But If not, I see the Steelers holding that 5th spot down since we own almost every tiebreaker from all the teams trailing. Since there's hope, I'm still not overlooking division, but from this point it's more than likely the 5th spot.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:41 am

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What some don't understand and what is so underrated to a football game is field position. Just going for it on 4th and 2 seems all fine and dandy from a armchair quarterback viewpoint , but faced with the adversity to either go for it or kick it and put your team in a better situation to make a play, then I'm sure in the hot seat, you'd kick it as well, it's only sensible and common sense. If one can win the field position battle more times than none, then that team has the best chance at winning, and going for it on 4th and 2 on any end of the field is jeopardizing not only your game plan, but players trust as well in situational football, and it has come back to bite teams in the ass.


Two things, Trav. First: Belichick thought he had a better chance of getting a first down and ending the game than punting and stopping Manning and Co. To me, that's as close to a "no brainer" as possible without being a fact! I felt the same way...28 yards or 68...doesn't matter. Give Manning a crack and the game's over. He felt the same way.

Trust...Belichick is a master motivator and will turn this into a motivating force. His players fucking LOVE him. He has the ultimate respect because he coaches non-stop...something I've really only seen him do. Trust won't be an issue as far as the decision to go for it goes. Totally a moot point. Watch...his players will respond and not one of them will dissent or Brady, Moss or any other veteran will pound their nutsack to the goal post with a pair of spikes! Belichick preaches "team" and that team will forge ahead together.


I understand his thought process and I respect his decision to go for it only because of the outcome that could of happened that indeed came about. (Trust me, he's probably the ONLY one out of a small handful that goes for that.) I understand he went for it since he thought that was going to be the best chance to win. I get that and we all agree with that, but that doesn't justify his call as a smart one. The only gripe I have is you're on your own 28! That's crazy. When they took the field I immediately said "hard count." Manning or not, you still do what's best for your defense to close it out. They should of had the chance to.

Another thing I look at is the flow of the game at that point. Yes, he thought he could get 2, but judging by the way the Colts defense was playing on those last drives were phenomenal. They were not only fired up but they forced Brady into throwing 2 high balls, 1 of them that could and should of been a pick 6. I would of put that into consideration since the Colt's were VERY sharp at defending the sidelines, and esp the short ball at that given time of the game and they rushed Brady into some bad balls. As far as him preaching "team" if that were the case, he would of laid all the lego's on his defense to make the stop.

New England is just fine and they will be alright. They are going to win their division and probably end up landing the #2 seed if they play to their full potential. If they decide to not blow 17 point 4th qrt leads anytime soon, I think they will win a lot of ball games.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:54 am

YoungJRNY wrote: As far as him preaching "team" if that were the case, he would of laid all the lego's on his defense to make the stop.



Sorry dude, you're logic doesn't work. The fact that Belichick knows his offense is FAR superior to his defense doesn't mean he doesn't preach the "team" concept. Anyone who has seen the Patriots play knows that it's not exactly a secret that their offense is their strength. You and I don't really disagree on the call. If I were coaching that game, I would have punted the ball. That said, I don't think that call was the reason they lost, because I'm reasonably confident that Manning would have marched 70 yards down the field with more than two minutes left and timeouts left. As I said earlier, the larger mistake made by New England was not allowing Addai to simply get into the end zone with 1:16, because that was more than enough time for Brady to get them into field goal range. It wasn't even like Addai went down to kill the clock. He tried to score and Merriweather tackled him. This week will be a HUGE litmus test for the Patriots and to see whether or not they are galvanized as a team. Beating the Jets by a field goal isn't close to good enough for me. Even though the Jets' defense is still playing VERY well (Sanchez is the reason they're losing), I think the Patriots must win this game and win it big. We shall see what happens. The Patriots remaining schedule still has some tough games on it with Miami, New Orleans, Jacksonville and Houston. I definitely see them losing one of those games, but I would be shocked if they lost more than 2 of their remaining games.
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Postby S2M » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:49 am

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YoungJRNY wrote: As far as him preaching "team" if that were the case, he would of laid all the lego's on his defense to make the stop.



Sorry dude, you're logic doesn't work. The fact that Belichick knows his offense is FAR superior to his defense doesn't mean he doesn't preach the "team" concept. Anyone who has seen the Patriots play knows that it's not exactly a secret that their offense is their strength. You and I don't really disagree on the call. If I were coaching that game, I would have punted the ball. That said, I don't think that call was the reason they lost, because I'm reasonably confident that Manning would have marched 70 yards down the field with more than two minutes left and timeouts left. As I said earlier, the larger mistake made by New England was not allowing Addai to simply get into the end zone with 1:16, because that was more than enough time for Brady to get them into field goal range. It wasn't even like Addai went down to kill the clock. He tried to score and Merriweather tackled him. This week will be a HUGE litmus test for the Patriots and to see whether or not they are galvanized as a team. Beating the Jets by a field goal isn't close to good enough for me. Even though the Jets' defense is still playing VERY well (Sanchez is the reason they're losing), I think the Patriots must win this game and win it big. We shall see what happens. The Patriots remaining schedule still has some tough games on it with Miami, New Orleans, Jacksonville and Houston. I definitely see them losing one of those games, but I would be shocked if they lost more than 2 of their remaining games.



I'm calling it right now. Mark it down. Patriots win out, and the margin of victory for the remaining games during the reg. Sched. will be no less than 17 pts. Even the Saints game will be a semi-blowout. Mark it!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:24 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote: As far as him preaching "team" if that were the case, he would of laid all the lego's on his defense to make the stop.



Sorry dude, you're logic doesn't work. The fact that Belichick knows his offense is FAR superior to his defense doesn't mean he doesn't preach the "team" concept. Anyone who has seen the Patriots play knows that it's not exactly a secret that their offense is their strength. You and I don't really disagree on the call. If I were coaching that game, I would have punted the ball. That said, I don't think that call was the reason they lost, because I'm reasonably confident that Manning would have marched 70 yards down the field with more than two minutes left and timeouts left. As I said earlier, the larger mistake made by New England was not allowing Addai to simply get into the end zone with 1:16, because that was more than enough time for Brady to get them into field goal range. It wasn't even like Addai went down to kill the clock. He tried to score and Merriweather tackled him. This week will be a HUGE litmus test for the Patriots and to see whether or not they are galvanized as a team. Beating the Jets by a field goal isn't close to good enough for me. Even though the Jets' defense is still playing VERY well (Sanchez is the reason they're losing), I think the Patriots must win this game and win it big. We shall see what happens. The Patriots remaining schedule still has some tough games on it with Miami, New Orleans, Jacksonville and Houston. I definitely see them losing one of those games, but I would be shocked if they lost more than 2 of their remaining games.


Of course the Pats strength is their offense, esp over the last 3-4 years. Still, I believe he needs to put the end result on the defense because 4th and 2 is a helluva gamble that rarely works. 4th and 1 seems more reasonable but 4th and 2 is a long two on 4th down and defense's dictate that two yards almost every time. I see the reasoning why Belichick went for it, we all see it and I don't think any of us disagree with that. He'd do it again if he had to. It's just the circumstance called for him to kick it as deep as you can and let the defense be a defense and go to work.

I think there's way too much talk on the 4th and 2 play. It should have never, ever even came to that. New England had such a comfortable lead that I was ready to turn it off the start of the 4th to get some shut eye. But you just saw how the tides were turning and the Colts had a heartbeat. (New England should of hung up atleast 45 plus as it was, Brady threw a pick and Maroney fumbled in the endzone.) I think it's more disturbing to New England that they squandered a 17 4th qrt lead. That's unlike New England since the stat I believe was like 82-0 when leading by 13 or more points. What that tells me is that even though Brady has indeed came to form, along with that offense, that the defense could be picked on and if N.E would ever be in the situation of a physical battle then it could be unbalanced down the road.

My opinion, I think this is just a bump in the road for New England. A loss is a loss and it hurts, but it's in no way shape or form a back breaker by NO means. They are sitting well and I expect them to go on a streak on their way to the playoffs, starting with the Jets. If they lose to the Jets, then they worry a bit, but losing in Indy where they should of demolished is something they can learn from. They just need to fix the defense up a bit because that's standing in their way to February. (Blowing a 17 point lead shouldn't go unnoticed.) It's only going to make them better and N.E's the best team at responding.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:21 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:Brady has indeed came to form, along with that offense, that the defense could be picked on and if N.E would ever be in the situation of a physical battle then it could be unbalanced down the road.


I think New England's defense is really only suspect against superior offenses like Indianapolis and New Orleans. That's about it, in terms of the REALLY elite offenses that I respect in the NFL. While the guys on the Patriots defense aren't world beaters, they are a reasonably good defense when healthy, and are significantly better, faster, and younger than they've been in the past several years, including their undefeated season. I honestly have ZERO desire to see Indianapolis in the playoffs, because of Peyton Manning!

YoungJRNY wrote: losing in Indy where they should of demolished is something they can learn from.


Should have "demolished" the Colts? What are you smoking dude? Listen, I thought the Patriots would win the game, but you're making the Colts sound like the Browns. You do realize that they haven't lost a single freakin' game in their last 18, right?

YoungJRNY wrote: They just need to fix the defense up a bit because that's standing in their way to February.


See my comments above. The Patriots defense is far from perfect, but I don't think there is a whole lot that they have to "fix". The reality is that teams like the Colts and teams like the Patriots are simply going to score points. Most of the playoff competitors in the AFC simply can't score enough points to keep up with the Patriots and the Colts. In my opinion, even against the very best defenses, these two teams are going to score points. Their QB's are too good not to.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:46 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:Brady has indeed came to form, along with that offense, that the defense could be picked on and if N.E would ever be in the situation of a physical battle then it could be unbalanced down the road.


I think New England's defense is really only suspect against superior offenses like Indianapolis and New Orleans. That's about it, in terms of the REALLY elite offenses that I respect in the NFL. While the guys on the Patriots defense aren't world beaters, they are a reasonably good defense when healthy, and are significantly better, faster, and younger than they've been in the past several years, including their undefeated season. I honestly have ZERO desire to see Indianapolis in the playoffs, because of Peyton Manning!

YoungJRNY wrote: losing in Indy where they should of demolished is something they can learn from.


Should have "demolished" the Colts? What are you smoking dude? Listen, I thought the Patriots would win the game, but you're making the Colts sound like the Browns. You do realize that they haven't lost a single freakin' game in their last 18, right?

YoungJRNY wrote: They just need to fix the defense up a bit because that's standing in their way to February.


See my comments above. The Patriots defense is far from perfect, but I don't think there is a whole lot that they have to "fix". The reality is that teams like the Colts and teams like the Patriots are simply going to score points. Most of the playoff competitors in the AFC simply can't score enough points to keep up with the Patriots and the Colts. In my opinion, even against the very best defenses, these two teams are going to score points. Their QB's are too good not to.



Should have "demolished" the Colts? What are you smoking dude? Listen, I thought the Patriots would win the game, but you're making the Colts sound like the Browns. You do realize that they haven't lost a single freakin' game in their last 18, right?


I'm talking during the coarse of the game, not the overall outlook. New England seemed to move the ball at will and had a 24-7 lead at one time. They were demolishing the Colts and the Pats had 2 turnovers in the endzone that would of done nothing but to seal the game. I know it would be tight scoring and I picked the Pats to win it. During the coarse of the game I said this game's over but if it's any team with any quarterback to come back from a deficit like this, it's Manning and the Colts. Whatever happened on 4th down or whatever else, credit the Colts for hanging in there and doing what they had to do to come away with the W.

Just curious, do you ever attend any games during the season?
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:28 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Just curious, do you ever attend any games during the season?


Not any longer. I used to always go to the games (even when the Patriots were AWFUL, back in the day). At this point, I have a young son (3 years old) who is my world and as much as I live and breathe football, I'd rather watch the games on my 60 inch plasma in high def and have my boy hanging out with me. It's simply much more enjoyable for me. The other issue is that the Patriots play in Foxboro, which isn't really the most accessible town. It's probably a solid 35 to 40 miles south of Boston and I live a bit north of the city. I guess you wear down in old age and aren't motivated any longer to sit out in the cold and freeze your nut sack off :shock:
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Postby S2M » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:57 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Just curious, do you ever attend any games during the season?


Not any longer. I used to always go to the games (even when the Patriots were AWFUL, back in the day). At this point, I have a young son (3 years old) who is my world and as much as I live and breathe football, I'd rather watch the games on my 60 inch plasma in high def and have my boy hanging out with me. It's simply much more enjoyable for me. The other issue is that the Patriots play in Foxboro, which isn't really the most accessible town. It's probably a solid 35 to 40 miles south of Boston and I live a bit north of the city. I guess you wear down in old age and aren't motivated any longer to sit out in the cold and freeze your nut sack off :shock:



Agreed, who enjoys the clusterfuck that is RTE. 1? Not to mention the MEGA clusterfuck that is the parking lot/RTE 1 AFTER the game! :evil: :shock: :lol:

Well....you could just park at Waxy's(I'm already tired of this commercial. plays 1000x an hour on WEEI), and they'll shuttle you to the game. :lol: :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:41 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Just curious, do you ever attend any games during the season?


Not any longer. I used to always go to the games (even when the Patriots were AWFUL, back in the day). At this point, I have a young son (3 years old) who is my world and as much as I live and breathe football, I'd rather watch the games on my 60 inch plasma in high def and have my boy hanging out with me. It's simply much more enjoyable for me. The other issue is that the Patriots play in Foxboro, which isn't really the most accessible town. It's probably a solid 35 to 40 miles south of Boston and I live a bit north of the city. I guess you wear down in old age and aren't motivated any longer to sit out in the cold and freeze your nut sack off :shock:


That's fantastic you hang with your son and watch the games together. You will always have that bond. My first game was in 1996, I was 7 years old. My dad took me. We were playing San Francisco and Steve Young just annihilated us all game long. I remember Kordell Stewart made a one handed catch with a defender holding his right arm down and he was my favorite player since. (Even though he was the most boneheaded player of all time and just was NOT a Quarterback, I always liked him since that catch.) The 9'ers won like 25-15 or something like that and I was the only one in the stadium still yellin and screamin. My dad turned to some dude next to me and said. "uhoh." Since then, I'll never attend a game without my dad. Last year we went to 6 games out of the 10 home games, including all playoffs. In '07 we went to 5 games and in '06 we went to 7 of the 8 home games haha. (We drove to Detroit in '05 for the Super Bowl even though we had no tickets and watched at a bar. My first championship game was against Denver in '97. Couldn't hear a pin drop walking out.) We take football pretty serious. I always vouch for the higher seats. I'll never sit down low again. Overrated, and there's such assholes down there that sit on their hands and do the down in front BS. Upstairs are where the maniacs are. I always loved going to cold games in Nov/Dec. It got to the point where it doesn't feel right without getting up at 6:00 a.m to go to a 1.00 game, tailgate, and wear 4,000 layers of clothes. Fun. You're son will always be connected to you that way. That's good stuff.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:49 pm

Week 11

Washington at Dallas - Dallas is all of a sudden looking like a lock to win the NFC East (still trying to figure out who the fuck the Geography major was who thinks Dallas is anywhere near the "East"). They have the Redskins today and the pathetic Raiders on Thanksgiving, so this is looking like cruise control time for Dallas. I'm sure their buffoon coach will try his best to fuck this up, but I like the FraudBoys to beat the Redskins by 17 points.

Cleveland at Detroit - Really? The "Toilet Bowl"! Do I really have to pick a winner between these two awful teams? WOW. This is as bad as the Thanksgiving matchups this year. I'll take Detroit by 3.

San Francisco at Green Bay - San Francisco is just about out of playoff contention but can still play a little defense. That said, it's not enough to get by a VERY inconsistent Green Bay team. I like the Packers by 10.

Pittsburgh at Kansas City - Kansas City checked out during training camp. Steelers by 20!

Atlanta at NY Giants - This is one of the toughest matchups of the week for me to pick. I just can't see the Giants continuing to lose week after week. Atlanta has definitely regressed this season, as I think they're a better team than what they're showing on the field. Giants by a touchdown.

New Orleans at Tampa Bay - Saints keep marching onward and upward. Tampa Bay blew their load against the Packers and lose this by three touchdowns!

Buffalo at Jacksonville - Buffalo's awful run defense against Maurice Jones-Drew is a BAD matchup. Jones-Drew (what the fuck is with Jacksonville with Jones-Drew and Sims-Walker...pick a fucking name, douchebags. Someone needs to tell these fuckers that even women who hyphenate their name need a slap) runs wild and Jacksonville wins by 14.

Indianapolis at Baltimore - ***UPSET ALERT*** I have no right picking against the Colts after that game last week and given how inconsistent Baltimore has been. If the Colts don't lose this game, I don't see a whole lot of games left on their schedule that they have any shot of losing. Ravens by a field goal.

Seattle at Minnesota - Vikings keep rolling and run over Seattle. Minnesota by 17.

Arizona at St. Louis - Warner goes home and lays a beatdown on his old team. Cardinals by 21.

NY Jets at New England - HUGE litmus test for the Patriots after the completely demoralizing loss to the Colts last week. The Patriots are always at their best when the entire world is criticizing them (which has been happening non-stop since Belichick's decision to go for it on 4th and 2). Since 2006, the Patriots are 9-0 after losing a game and haven't lost back to back games in over three years. I LOVE the Patriots in this game. Moss will have a HUGE game, while Revis continues bragging about the fact that he is a "shut down corner". I like the Patriots to win this one by three touchdowns. If Belichick has the opportunity to go for it on 4th and 2 with his team up by 50 points today, I promise you that he'll do it. He can never beat the Jets by enough points for his liking!

Cincinnati at Oakland - Oakland is no match for anyone, and the Bengals will be no different. Bengals 24 - Oakland 10

San Diego at Denver - Denver is done and the Chargers always show up to play in the second half. I think this game ends up being close but the Chargers pull it off by a touchdown.

Philadelphia at Chicago - Chicago is DESPERATE for a win, but Cutler isn't playing well enough to win anything. Eagles by 10.

MON, NOV 23
Tennessee at Houston 8:30 PM - Kudos to Vince Young for playing respectable over the past couple of weeks. Chris Johnson is the best kept secret in the entire league and is one scary mofo. That said, I like Houston to pull this one out by a field goal.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:25 am

Week 11

Washington at Dallas - This could be an early upset in the making. Dallas is the most blitzed team in the league and history shows that Romo simply can't handle any pressure, and this showed bigtime against Green Bay last Sunday. The Redskins are going to dial up the blitz packages, but I expect Dallas to bounce back at home but Washington has a good shot at bringing Dallas down. Dallas by 7.

Cleveland at Detroit - Detroit wins this one by 10. Quinn can't throw a ball in bounds more than 20 yards for the life of him. Lions by 10.

San Francisco at Green Bay - Green Bay needs to rile up some W's to push for a WC spot in the NFC. They need to take care of business against San Fran who is a player here and there away from contending. Green Bay by 8.

Pittsburgh at Kansas City - Bounce back game. This is not the time to be overlooking anybody to get to a division matchup next week. Steelers by 18.

Atlanta at NY Giants - Both teams are REELING. The only difference is that the Giant had an extra week to repair their ailing team while Atlanta may have lost Turner and brings a losing momentum into a crazed environment. This is a must win for the Giants since both Philly AND Dallas are struggling to hold any lead in the division. Giants by 3.

New Orleans at Tampa Bay - Saints first loss will be against the Pats. If they beat the Pats then they might as well go undefeated. Tampa is going to get schooled. Saints by 23.

Buffalo at Jacksonville - Believe it or not, Jacksonville is alive and kicking for a spot for that 6th spot in the AFC WC sitting at 5-4. With all the hoopla that Buffalo is going through at the moment with no QB and no head coach, Jacksonville should easily win this one. Question is where will T.O land next season? Jacksonville by 17.

Indianapolis at Baltimore - Baltimore's defense is NOT what they use to be by no means, and Flacco and the offense is so inept that he is looking like the "Sophomore" that he is. Manning is by FAR too much to handle for Baltimore and they will try everything to avoid a meltdown coming off an inspiring win. Colts by 11.

Seattle at Minnesota - Minny by 24.

Arizona at St. Louis - Warner lights it up, on the RIGHT side of things. Cards by 13.

NY Jets at New England - Brady is getting back to solid form and the Pats need to win this game in Foxboro. The Pats are the best team in the league when fired up and the Jets are the sorry saps in line. The Jets need to duplicate what they did on defense in their earlier match up. If they can't rattle Brady, then it's going to be a LONG game since both teams are much different from their earlier match up. Pats by 22.

Cincinnati at Oakland - I think this will be closer than anyone expects. I could be wrong but Oakland's defense is tough and is underrated because of the sewage they live in. Bengals are too tough and Oakland is outmatched. I want to say upset but it IS Oakland, so Cinci by 13. AH, what the hell, UPSET Oakland by 4! :o (Weird gut feeling on this one)

San Diego at Denver - Denver's late season slide is deja vu and who's coming after their ass in their nightmares? The Chargers. Chargers by 10.

Philadelphia at Chicago - Both teams aren't playing good football to the slightest sense. When McNabb plays bad, shit does he play bad. Cutler is a sorry excuse for an over hyped QB. Philly by 13.

MON, NOV 23
Tennessee at Houston 8:30 PM - I can't believe this game actually means something! Titans talking trash, coming off a 3 game win streak with VY in there and they are looking like the team that everyone thought could win the division. Houston is playing for a WC and they need to hit Tenn in the mouth to get a step closer to their first playoff birth. Houston by 12.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:58 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Cincinnati at Oakland - I think this will be closer than anyone expects. I could be wrong but Oakland's defense is tough and is underrated because of the sewage they live in. Bengals are too tough and Oakland is outmatched. I want to say upset but it IS Oakland, so Cinci by 13. AH, what the hell, UPSET Oakland by 4! :o (Weird gut feeling on this one)

It certainly doesn't hurt that Jamawful is benched the rest of the year!!! :D
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:11 am

RedWingFan wrote:It certainly doesn't hurt that Jamawful is benched the rest of the year!!! :D



See that dude...miracles happen. Too bad it took them this long to figure it out. Unfortunately for you and the Raiders, the guy coming in is Bruce Fucking Gradkowski :shock:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:14 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Cincinnati at Oakland - I think this will be closer than anyone expects. I could be wrong but Oakland's defense is tough and is underrated because of the sewage they live in. Bengals are too tough and Oakland is outmatched. I want to say upset but it IS Oakland, so Cinci by 13. AH, what the hell, UPSET Oakland by 4! :o (Weird gut feeling on this one)

It certainly doesn't hurt that Jamawful is benched the rest of the year!!! :D


Granted Bruce Gradkowski is not all that much better (well come to think of it, YES HE IS!) but this game kind of has a feeling of Oakland upsetting the Jets last season. If Gradkowski can somehow complete a 3rd down then Oakland has a shot. Just weird territory for the Bengals, but I sure as hell won't be surprised if Cinci beats them by 21 or more. :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:20 am

The NFL must love Chris Berman. Dude opened up today's pregame show talking about how the Colts and Saints are 9-0 and then in the very next breath says flat out that the Colts were "helped along in their victory over the Patriots". Talk about a public shot against the officials :shock:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:25 am

Enigma869 wrote:The NFL must love Chris Berman. Dude opened up today's pregame show talking about how the Colts and Saints are 9-0 and then in the very next breath says flat out that the Colts were "helped along in their victory over the Patriots". Talk about a public shot against the officials :shock:


The two teams Berman has ALWAYS had an ultimate hard-on for is New England and the Bills. "Nobody, circles the wagon.. like the Buffalo Bills." Dude's a pleasure to listen to and is a legend but is said to be an blowhard and maniac off set.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:37 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Cincinnati at Oakland - I think this will be closer than anyone expects. I could be wrong but Oakland's defense is tough and is underrated because of the sewage they live in. Bengals are too tough and Oakland is outmatched. I want to say upset but it IS Oakland, so Cinci by 13. AH, what the hell, UPSET Oakland by 4! :o (Weird gut feeling on this one)

It certainly doesn't hurt that Jamawful is benched the rest of the year!!! :D


Granted Bruce Gradkowski is not all that much better (well come to think of it, YES HE IS!) but this game kind of has a feeling of Oakland upsetting the Jets last season. If Gradkowski can somehow complete a 3rd down then Oakland has a shot. Just weird territory for the Bengals, but I sure as hell won't be surprised if Cinci beats them by 21 or more. :lol:

I'm not at all concerned about the rest of this season. The main issue is to get that worthless piece of crap out of Oakland ASAP, and head into the offseason with the QB position up for grabs. Sign a free agent or look back to the draft.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:39 am

Washington at Dallas - Dallas on a hot streak

Cleveland at Detroit - Worst offense vs worst defense. Detroit wins

San Francisco at Green Bay - San Fran

Pittsburgh at Kansas City - Pitt

Atlanta at NY Giants - Atlanta

New Orleans at Tampa Bay - Saints

Buffalo at Jacksonville - Jax

Indianapolis at Baltimore - Indy, especially if Baltimore looks as bad as they did against us Monday night

Seattle at Minnesota - Minnesota

Arizona at St. Louis - Arizona

NY Jets at New England - Pats annihilate the Jets in revenge for last time. Brady isn't rusty any more and they will be angry after last week

Cincinnati at Oakland - Cinci

San Diego at Denver - SD, who the hell is Simms? lol

Philadelphia at Chicago - Philly

Tennessee at Houston 8:30 PM - Houston... Ten is improved w/ Young at the helm, but Houston's high-powered passing attack will prove to be too much
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Postby AlteredDNA » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:39 am

Enigma869 wrote:The NFL must love Chris Berman. Dude opened up today's pregame show talking about how the Colts and Saints are 9-0 and then in the very next breath says flat out that the Colts were "helped along in their victory over the Patriots". Talk about a public shot against the officials :shock:


It might have been a reference to "4th and 2"... ;)
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:57 am

Radio is saying that Arrowhead Stadium is 90-10 in favor of Steelers fans. Now THAT'S hilarious. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:58 am

A bit OT, but I took a huge gamble and started the Detroit Lions as my fantasy defense against the Browns. :?
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:02 am

Saint John wrote:A bit OT, but I took a huge gamble and started the Detroit Lions as my fantasy defense against the Browns. :?


Not really much of a gamble, dude. Cleveland can't get out of their own fucking way. Don't get me wrong...I'd NEVER start Detroit's defense, but if you're ever going to start them, this is the week to do it!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:03 am

Saint John wrote:A bit OT, but I took a huge gamble and started the Detroit Lions as my fantasy defense against the Browns. :?


Probably not a bad move, the Lions defense is bad, but the offense still has to take some kind of affirmative action (and no, that doesn't mean getting into Harvard Law and being the first editor of the Law review to never publish a single iota of original scholarship) to take advantage of them. I have a feeling the Browns offense is gonna reach a whole new level of embarrassment today. I'm not even watching the game
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:04 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
who the hell is Simms? lol



For you young dudes....his dad won a Super Bowl as the QB of the Giants with Parcells as his coach, and sadly, I'm well old enough to remember the game!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:07 am

AlteredDNA wrote:It might have been a reference to "4th and 2"... ;)


If you know Berman, you know that's not the case. The guy is from New England, lives in New England, and went to college in New England! It's really a shot of the officials' call on the Kevin Faulk catch. When the reverse angle of that play came out on Monday, it's clearly a first down because he was beyond the 30 after he stopped bobbling the ball (which he did for less than half a second). Oh well...Onto the Jets the Patriots go!
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:32 am

Stop the fucking presses...The Cleveland Browns have actually scored an offensive touchdown :shock:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:36 am

Enigma869 wrote:Stop the fucking presses...The Cleveland Browns have actually scored an offensive touchdown :shock:


On a huge play too! You have no idea how weird it felt watching that.
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