Why Augeri?

[Abitaman]

Yeah...totally gay, but he's still a good artist.

Wow, totally acoustic BA is gonna be boring beyond belief. I'm sorry to hear that. I'd rather watch a concert DVD. A few songs would be ok, but when you say solo does that mean Keith isn't even with him? Songs like Back to You work unplugged if the slide guitar's at least there in the BG...

Like his music, but his shows.............

[YoungJRNY]

Kevin doing Seperate Ways live. Pretty good. Could still front the band. More power to his voice than AP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrERN3_UZlY

More power than ARNEL?! HELL NO! Not even close to the point. Couldn't be more wrong. Arnel shatters Chalfant in every vocal category. I like Chalfant, but his versions of the songs are simply B-O-R-I-N-G.

[Jana]

Kevin doing Seperate Ways live. Pretty good. Could still front the band. More power to his voice than AP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrERN3_UZlY

More power than ARNEL?! HELL NO! Not even close to the point. Couldn't be more wrong. Arnel shatters Chalfant in every vocal category. I like Chalfant, but his versions of the songs are simply B-O-R-I-N-G.

I found his version on stage very boring and stage presence lacking horribly in energy regarding this song.

[parfait]

Kevin doing Seperate Ways live. Pretty good. Could still front the band. More power to his voice than AP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrERN3_UZlY

More power than ARNEL?! HELL NO! Not even close to the point. Couldn't be more wrong. Arnel shatters Chalfant in every vocal category. I like Chalfant, but his versions of the songs are simply B-O-R-I-N-G.

I found his version on stage very boring and stage presence lacking horribly in energy regarding this song.

couldn't agree more. I thought Chalfant was a lot better, but that performance sucked balls.

[7 Wishes]

I never thought Swivelhips was the right choice, although he is a hell of a guy and a good singer. I still went to the shows and had a great time until the dubbing became obvious.

[Onestepper]

Kevin doing Seperate Ways live. Pretty good. Could still front the band. More power to his voice than AP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrERN3_UZlY

Wow. That was awful.

[bionic]

Kevin was also up for a tour to help when Augeri went sick but that did not happen.

That's quite an exclusive, Bionic.
Was this the same tour that Jeff filled in for, or earlier?

Yes this was the one Jeff filled in for,i think the guys liked Kevin and knew he could do it but Neal chose Jeff in the end for whatever reason.

[bionic]

By all accounts Neal was to form another version of Journey with Rolie Perry Smith and a new bass player if he did not get his way!!! makes you wonder

That seems absolutely ridiculous. Whose accounts are these? Perry was magically going to return to form a band with three of his ex-Journey mates in 2005 or 2006 if Augeri wasn't fired from Journey? If this is true, it would seem like Cain is who is keeping Perry from returning in 2009, which I don't buy. There's enough blame on all of the big three to go around.

You misunderstand Neal wanted Augeri out and someone new in rather than continue with Augeri lipping,only if he did not get his way would he have left....regarding Perry ,Rolie and Smith this was just rumour in regard to what Neal would do if he left and an interesting one at that .One things for sure something was going on as Dean Castronovo posted on the official Journey board in regard to Neal leaving etc to say it was not true!

[bionic]

Are you all talking about the time between Augeri and JSS or the time between JSS and Pineda? If I remember correctly, Augeri was out one night and within a day or two JSS was en route to the next Journey show. The Chalfant rumor here that I remember was something about him coming in for the Virginia gig that was JSS' last gig but he said he wasn't ready. Kevin has denied this, and I find it hard to believe as well.

Jeff and Kevin where contacted i am led to belive before Augeri had left, letting him go live with the state of his voice was a good excuse to claim he was ill and could not continue.

[bionic]

At one point, a rumor circulated in Journey fandom that Perry prevented the band from choosing Chalfant.
The logic went that Perry was sooo intimidated by KC's talent that part of the quid-pro-quo contract dealings to let the band go on stipulated NO Chalfant.
I find this hard to believe.
It's similar to the Perry fanatics who blame Perry's musical inactivity on Journey having some sort of 10 year legal gag on him.
Monker may remember more.

I used to laugh at posters like Perryfaithful who said Augeri was picked due to his go-along-to-get-along, no drama demeanor.
However, after JSS was fired for Arnel, I def. think there's some truth to that.
That's my guess anyway.

Good points as i said in another post Chalfant was all but in ,then as Kevin told me Perry just reapeared and was back in the band? The thing that always puzzles me of the Trail By Fire period is with the band having rehearsed some in L.A with Perry and the rumours of his vocal changes,how on earth where they going to be able to tour.Lets be honest here they wanted to go out on the road only Perry declined,if they knew there was vocal issues how where they to get around this???
Which leads me to belive the band were desperate to reform,they waited for as long as they could and choose Augeri who by all accounts was not really up to the task ( ended up overdubbing his voice on 2001 dvd )Still i must admit i miss Augeri in Journey as good as Arnel is

[Abitaman]

At one point, a rumor circulated in Journey fandom that Perry prevented the band from choosing Chalfant.
The logic went that Perry was sooo intimidated by KC's talent that part of the quid-pro-quo contract dealings to let the band go on stipulated NO Chalfant.
I find this hard to believe.
It's similar to the Perry fanatics who blame Perry's musical inactivity on Journey having some sort of 10 year legal gag on him.
Monker may remember more.

I used to laugh at posters like Perryfaithful who said Augeri was picked due to his go-along-to-get-along, no drama demeanor.
However, after JSS was fired for Arnel, I def. think there's some truth to that.
That's my guess anyway.

Good points as i said in another post Chalfant was all but in ,then as Kevin told me Perry just reapeared and was back in the band? The thing that always puzzles me of the Trail By Fire period is with the band having rehearsed some in L.A with Perry and the rumours of his vocal changes,how on earth where they going to be able to tour.Lets be honest here they wanted to go out on the road only Perry declined,if they knew there was vocal issues how where they to get around this???
Which leads me to belive the band were desperate to reform,they waited for as long as they could and choose Augeri who by all accounts was not really up to the task ( ended up overdubbing his voice on 2001 dvd )Still i must admit i miss Augeri in Journey as good as Arnel is

I would rather have Chalfant or Augeri in the band than AP. Perry would be cool too. Again not taking away from AP, just perfer the other more.

[kgdjpubs]

Good points as i said in another post Chalfant was all but in ,then as Kevin told me Perry just reapeared and was back in the band? The thing that always puzzles me of the Trail By Fire period is with the band having rehearsed some in L.A with Perry and the rumours of his vocal changes,how on earth where they going to be able to tour.Lets be honest here they wanted to go out on the road only Perry declined,if they knew there was vocal issues how where they to get around this???
Which leads me to belive the band were desperate to reform,they waited for as long as they could and choose Augeri who by all accounts was not really up to the task ( ended up overdubbing his voice on 2001 dvd )Still i must admit i miss Augeri in Journey as good as Arnel is

I think the whole thing circa 1995ish was pretty simple. Journey wanted to be a band again, and they were going to do it either with or without Perry. Perry obviously had little interest, so The Storm merges in with Journey. All's going well, except it's underground and not really being publicized. The problem comes when SOMEONE (probably record company) was having cold feet about replacing Perry with Chalfant--or anybody, for that matter. Someone saw the light, and realized that if Perry would record an album and tour, that you could make major money off Journey. Sure, Perry's voice was decreased, but he did survive the FTLOSM tour. I have no doubt that he could have done a Journey tour. Tuned down like the FTLOSM tour, yes, but he could have done it. Get Perry back in, and you turn Journey into something like the Eagles or Rolling Stones. They do an album and tour every 3-4 years, playing BIG venues at about 40 dates, and making a bunch of $$. You don't have to do 70-80 dates every year, which is a sure-fire way to blow out your singer's voice. So, out goes Chalfant (and Rolie and Herbie Herbert), and in comes Perry.

The theory was sound....of course, the actuality was something different. Perry goes limp, band waits and waits, and eventually moves on when virtually all momentum is lost. They were likely at the point of moving on, or accepting that Journey would never exist again. So, for whatever reason (Chalfant declines, band decides to go some other way), in comes Augeri and off we go.

[StoneCold]

So, for whatever reason

(Chalfant declines,

band decides to go some other way), in comes Augeri and off we go.

Is it a fact that KC declined an offer?

[wastingbeerz]

Despite enjoying his work, I've wondered how many others were considered and turned away. Not to say he was the wrong choice but Chalfant was a more obvious one.

I've heard he was offered and turned it down. Hard to believe but the only thing that makes sense.

If it's true, you'll never get anyone to admit it, but considering he was in, then passed over once already when Perry came back for TBF, you couldn't blame him if he didn't want that to happen again.

How did Augie slip in there?

(spinning RM and Arrival right now)

the official word is that Neal liked Tall Stories. Besides Augeri, the only ones that were ever mentioned officially were John West (good fit vocally, but apparently not the best fit personality wise), Geoff Tate (good chemistry, but the wrong type of voice to sing the Perry material), and Hugo (too close to Perry). I don't know how many others were considered. There are certainly a few others who could have done it--Terry Brock of Strangeways comes to mind.

Dude... TATE would have NAILED the Perry material... it would have been handled differently, but still done amazing justice. Would have been similar to how Sammy Hagar didn't sound like DLR, but did his era's material justice and did so amazingly.

[kgdjpubs]

So, for whatever reason

(Chalfant declines,

band decides to go some other way), in comes Augeri and off we go.

Is it a fact that KC declined an offer?

nothing is ever a fact around here. It's been rumored, but nobody knows. Given the circumstances, it COULD have happened, and wouldn't surprise me if it did.

[7 Wishes]

Journey would have been done by now with Augieri as the vocalist. Pineda has given Journey another 10-15 years, and they are more popular now than any time since '87. If you ask me, he has saved the band.

[Ehwmatt]

Journey would have been done by now with Augieri as the vocalist. Pineda has given Journey another 10-15 years, and they are more popular now than any time since '87. If you ask me, he has saved the band.

Cain's 59... Ross is 60... if they're out here in another 15 years, at least with those two guys, I'll be shocked!

I wouldn't put it past Neal to be out there til he dies. He loves it.

[parfait]

Journey would have been done by now with Augieri as the vocalist. Pineda has given Journey another 10-15 years, and they are more popular now than any time since '87. If you ask me, he has saved the band.

Valory would have been around 105 years old by then. Zombies die too, you know.

[7 Wishes]

I wouldn't put it past Neal to be out there til he dies. He loves it.

That's why he's always been the guy for me in Journey. He is so diverse and talented.

Anyway, I believe it was Cain who said he thought they had at least another dozen years or so left in the tank. Ross looks about 25 years older than Jon, but who knows?

[Ehwmatt]

I wouldn't put it past Neal to be out there til he dies. He loves it.

That's why he's always been the guy for me in Journey. He is so diverse and talented.

Anyway, I believe it was Cain who said he thought they had at least another dozen years or so left in the tank. Ross looks about 25 years older than Jon, but who knows?

Cain must be happier than he looks on stage.

Neal is definitely what keeps me into Journey. I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more. But if anything got me to go, it would be getting to hear/see Neal play. I'd rather see him on his solo act or something at this point.

[7 Wishes]

I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more.

J/C - why is that?

[Ehwmatt]

I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more.

J/C - why is that?

I just can't take the diction issues that I expected to improve as time went on and him still not being comfortable in his own skin up there with all the excessive jumping around and what not.

I was definitely on board with him at first as he's got a monster voice and I was willing to give him a mulligan to iron out his issues and to me, it seems that they've gotten worse. Perhaps they are just worse now to me because I expected them to get better.

Also, don't know if you've seen videos like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKv ... L&index=72 , where he goes out and mimics Sammy Hagar and DLR, but this kinda stuff is really just bush league for someone in one of the genre's biggest current bands to be doing.

The whole situation has just become TOO MUCH of a novelty factor imo.

[Behshad]

I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more.

J/C - why is that?

I just can't take the diction issues that I expected to improve as time went on and him still not being comfortable in his own skin up there with all the excessive jumping around and what not.

I was definitely on board with him at first as he's got a monster voice and I was willing to give him a mulligan to iron out his issues and to me, it seems that they've gotten worse. Perhaps they are just worse now to me because I expected them to get better.

Also, don't know if you've seen videos like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKv ... L&index=72 , where he goes out and mimics Sammy Hagar and DLR, but this kinda stuff is really just bush league for someone in one of the genre's biggest current bands to be doing.

The whole situation has just become TOO MUCH of a novelty factor imo.

[steveo777]

I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more.

J/C - why is that?

I just can't take the diction issues that I expected to improve as time went on and him still not being comfortable in his own skin up there with all the excessive jumping around and what not.

I was definitely on board with him at first as he's got a monster voice and I was willing to give him a mulligan to iron out his issues and to me, it seems that they've gotten worse. Perhaps they are just worse now to me because I expected them to get better.

Also, don't know if you've seen videos like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKv ... L&index=72 , where he goes out and mimics Sammy Hagar and DLR, but this kinda stuff is really just bush league for someone in one of the genre's biggest current bands to be doing.

The whole situation has just become TOO MUCH of a novelty factor imo.

He was doing covers when he returned home in 2008 too but maybe people were more discreet about not posting them all over the place. Unfortunately, the culture eats those kind of performances up, as evidenced by the commentary on his site by the Pinoy fans, while we find same performances in bad form. Journey management should put their foot down as he represents their image all over the globe. What we don't know is what kind of power management has over him when he's back home. He may have another contract over there, where he needs to do what they want. If he works too hard on his diction issues he might not sound Filipino enough at home.

[Ehwmatt]

I've soured on Arnel to the extent that I don't know if I'd pay to see them any more.

J/C - why is that?

I just can't take the diction issues that I expected to improve as time went on and him still not being comfortable in his own skin up there with all the excessive jumping around and what not.

I was definitely on board with him at first as he's got a monster voice and I was willing to give him a mulligan to iron out his issues and to me, it seems that they've gotten worse. Perhaps they are just worse now to me because I expected them to get better.

Also, don't know if you've seen videos like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmC1GKv ... L&index=72 , where he goes out and mimics Sammy Hagar and DLR, but this kinda stuff is really just bush league for someone in one of the genre's biggest current bands to be doing.

The whole situation has just become TOO MUCH of a novelty factor imo.

He was doing covers when he returned home in 2008 too but maybe people were more discreet about not posting them all over the place. Unfortunately, the culture eats those kind of performances up, as evidenced by the commentary on his site by the Pinoy fans, while we find same performances in bad form. Journey management should put their foot down as he represents their image all over the globe. What we don't know is what kind of power management has over him when he's back home. He may have another contract over there, where he needs to do what they want. If he works too hard on his diction issues he might not sound Filipino enough at home.

Well his job to sing in an American band that sings lyrics in English, so I would hope working on them "too hard" and "not sounding Filipino enough" would be good costs, given the benefits they'd yield in possibly winning people like me back.

It's true we don't know the full extent of legal obligations he has over there and what not, it's just crazy to me Journey lets him do it.

[Abitaman]

That is something else that bothers me, as foreigner is in an American band. One of the biggest bands in the world goes and gets someone who is not American and has problems with the language. America's can't even sing now? Would have a problem with it if he spoke better English and had become a citizen of our country.
Styx Larry Gowan is a foreigner too, but at least he is just a few miles north of our border and you can understand him all the time.

[parfait]

That is something else that bothers me, as foreigner is in an American band. One of the biggest bands in the world goes and gets someone who is not American and has problems with the language. America's can't even sing now? Would have a problem with it if he spoke better English and had become a citizen of our country.
Styx Larry Gowan is a foreigner too, but at least he is just a few miles north of our border and you can understand him all the time.

I totally agree with you, my klux klux klanian friend. Why doesn't the whole world, like, you know, countries like Europe and Africa speak plain ol' english?!

The leaf blowers and jungly bunny's are too stupid to learn english. You on the other hand is a perfect example:

America's can't even sing now?

Exactly. America's can't sings nov.

[Abitaman]

That is something else that bothers me, as foreigner is in an American band. One of the biggest bands in the world goes and gets someone who is not American and has problems with the language. America's can't even sing now? Would have a problem with it if he spoke better English and had become a citizen of our country.
Styx Larry Gowan is a foreigner too, but at least he is just a few miles north of our border and you can understand him all the time.

I totally agree with you, my klux klux klanian friend. Why doesn't the whole world, like, you know, countries like Europe and Africa speak plain ol' english?!

The leaf blowers and jungly bunny's are too stupid to learn english. You on the other hand is a perfect example:

America's can't even sing now?

Exactly. America's can't sings nov.

Me in the Klan dream on....
With the picture you have out to the side, maybe I need to

[Abitaman]

That is something else that bothers me, as foreigner is in an American band. One of the biggest bands in the world goes and gets someone who is not American and has problems with the language. America's can't even sing now? Would have a problem with it if he spoke better English and had become a citizen of our country.
Styx Larry Gowan is a foreigner too, but at least he is just a few miles north of our border and you can understand him all the time.

I totally agree with you, my klux klux klanian friend. Why doesn't the whole world, like, you know, countries like Europe and Africa speak plain ol' english?!

The leaf blowers and jungly bunny's are too stupid to learn english. You on the other hand is a perfect example:

America's can't even sing now?

Exactly. America's can't sings nov.

I was not putting countries down, I am talking about me...and my thoughts on Journey (an American band) I still by their cds today and dvds.

AP has made a good name for his self, and I do not and will not take that away from him. I am saying I have a problem with language issues, not about his singing.
My comment about can't American's sing, is that even though I am pround of my country, we have become lazy as a nation, so we look to other countries for things, even now to sing to us.

And to me the color of your skin means nothing to me, i ahve friends of all race. your nation means nothing to me unless it is set on killing people. I trade with people all over the world. Your religon means nothing to me, I am a Christian, and if you don't want my religion, fine I will not force down your throat, but IMO you will be in Hell.

[parfait]

That is something else that bothers me, as foreigner is in an American band. One of the biggest bands in the world goes and gets someone who is not American and has problems with the language. America's can't even sing now? Would have a problem with it if he spoke better English and had become a citizen of our country.
Styx Larry Gowan is a foreigner too, but at least he is just a few miles north of our border and you can understand him all the time.

I totally agree with you, my klux klux klanian friend. Why doesn't the whole world, like, you know, countries like Europe and Africa speak plain ol' english?!

The leaf blowers and jungly bunny's are too stupid to learn english. You on the other hand is a perfect example:

America's can't even sing now?

Exactly. America's can't sings nov.

Me in the Klan dream on....
With the picture you have out to the side, maybe I need to

... Right.