R.I.P. Global Warming...The Convenient Truth...it's not hot!

[RossValoryRocks]

All sorts of stuff out of context

Put all of my quotes into context please...

Not ONE of those was casting blame asshat.

Those were all responses to some particular diatribe by you or some other lib, but none cast blame the way you libs do on Bush. I could break down every quote you have there, but why bother?

Nice ploy though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

All sorts of stuff out of context

Put all of my quotes into context please...

Not ONE of those was casting blame asshat.

When Dubya was mentioned, you were there at the ready with a Clinton counter-example.
No different at all to what Obama voters are currently doing with Bush.
Like I said, complete double standard.

Those were all responses to some particular diatribe by you or some other lib, but none cast blame the way you libs do on Bush. I could break down every quote you have there, but why bother?

Go ahead.
I'm not the guy interupting threads to order people to only reference President X, but not former President Y.
As far as I'm concerned, if Americans spent more time looking backwards we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
Should Obama lose in 2012, you won't catch me instructing FF, Ehwmatt, RWF, or you to limit your conversations to President Bachmann and VP Wurzelbacher.

Nice ploy though.

Nice deflection.

[Ehwmatt]

As far as I'm concerned, if Americans spent more time looking backwards we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
Should Obama lose in 2012, you won't catch me instructing FF, Ehwmatt, RWF, or you to limit your conversations to President Bachmann and VP Wurzelbacher.

Agreed. If we looked backwards, we would have remembered Jimmuh and never elected Obumblefuck.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As far as I'm concerned, if Americans spent more time looking backwards we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.
Should Obama lose in 2012, you won't catch me instructing FF, Ehwmatt, RWF, or you to limit your conversations to President Bachmann and VP Wurzelbacher.

Agreed. If we looked backwards, we would have remembered Jimmuh and never elected Obumblefuck.

No, if we remembered history, FDR/Depression banking firewalls wouldn't have been overturned by 30 years of Reaganomics and deregulatory fever.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hacked global warming emails debated on Cavuto today.
Say what you will about Begley, at least he puts his money where his mouth is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/2 ... 70022.html

[Glenn]

Hacked global warming emails debated on Cavuto today.
Say what you will about Begley, at least he puts his money where his mouth is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/2 ... 70022.html

He may, there is no denying his passion, but he also came off looking like somewhat of a fool.

[squirt1]

Listen up you young people. Talk of global warming started circa 1970's. We 1st had the ability of seeing the hole in the ozone layer. It opened and then closed,opened and closed. Then some scientists went off the deep end. They had no way of knowing if this was normal, but still alarmed the world. Most likely it goes in cycles for billions of years with sun cycles, ocean temps caused by sunspots or lack thereof which creates La nina or El nino which along with under sea volcanoes keeps this world in a weather whirl. Then politicians found a way to make huge $$$$ and collect taxes with no real proof. This is a money grab ,but it has been good to get people to recycle and save energy and do their part. BTW India, Russia & China are the polluters and really can't change and don't care.

[Monker]

You asserted that comparing Obama to Hitler was a unique right-wing phenomenon, it's not. You are wrong.

That is NOT what I said. I said the Bush comparisons to Hitler never hit the so called liberal media. It never became a liberal cry and covered as it has by conservatives and the conservative media. That's just the truth, get over it.

And don't worry, I'm not afraid. I think the whole thing is really pretty funny. I hope the guy gets 8 years to punish a mental midget like you who voted for him. I want you to be punished so hard you'll learn to never vote for someone like this again.

I have already said, several times, that you conservatives fucked up by putting your weight behind Bush. Because of that, and because Bush resulted in such a disaster, we now have the most liberal president in our nations history. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just the truth. If more conservaties came out of the closet and actualy critqued Bush's wacky policies you would not be in such a mess right now, and neither would the Republican party. As it sits right now, the 'leaders' of the Republicans are the FOX media and Sarah Palin. That is a very sad state to be in...because your right wing 'pinheads' are no more loved by the majority of this country then the left wing pinheads.

I want him to hit you in your wallet, your savings, your 401k, at your doctor's office, at your job, in your utility bills, and wherever else he might fuck up your life. I truly do. And if he gets me in the process, so be it. I'm willing to sacrifice so we don't make this mistake again.

Doesn't bother me if you are such a hate filled bastard!

[Ehwmatt]

You asserted that comparing Obama to Hitler was a unique right-wing phenomenon, it's not. You are wrong.

That is NOT what I said. I said the Bush comparisons to Hitler never hit the so called liberal media. It never became a liberal cry and covered as it has by conservatives and the conservative media. That's just the truth, get over it.

And don't worry, I'm not afraid. I think the whole thing is really pretty funny. I hope the guy gets 8 years to punish a mental midget like you who voted for him. I want you to be punished so hard you'll learn to never vote for someone like this again.

I have already said, several times, that you conservatives fucked up by putting your weight behind Bush. Because of that, and because Bush resulted in such a disaster, we now have the most liberal president in our nations history. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just the truth. If more conservaties came out of the closet and actualy critqued Bush's wacky policies you would not be in such a mess right now, and neither would the Republican party. As it sits right now, the 'leaders' of the Republicans are the FOX media and Sarah Palin. That is a very sad state to be in...because your right wing 'pinheads' are no more loved by the majority of this country then the left wing pinheads.

I want him to hit you in your wallet, your savings, your 401k, at your doctor's office, at your job, in your utility bills, and wherever else he might fuck up your life. I truly do. And if he gets me in the process, so be it. I'm willing to sacrifice so we don't make this mistake again.

Doesn't bother me if you are such a hate filled bastard!

Not hate filled, just willing to make a sacrifice for what will hopefully be a better future. You know, the kinda thing this country was once built on. Not hand me my money now and ask questions later.

As far as Bush being responsible for someone like Obama getting elected, I agree 100%. Conservatives need to go for a more organic, grassroots feel. However, the Republican party was in a mess 10 months ago... now, the shoes have definitely changed feet. Democrats are a mess right now. I just hope the Republicans can put forth some good, honest, true conservative candidates who will actually be for the people that elect them. Probably not gonna happen though.

[Monker]

In case anyone forgot, Bush came to office complaining about inheriting a recession from Clinton, and the Conservative rank-and-file blamed 9-11 on Clinton. And Reagan blamed Carter for his recession. And so on.

Exactly...and members of this very forum were blaming Clinton for Bush's 'recession' all the way up to his reelection campaign...and all Bush would do is give everybody an early tax cut and tell them to go shopping. Good politics, but it doesn't fix the problem. The only Republicans who admitted this during the last election were Ron Paul and Huckabee. Huckabee said during one of the debates that would have seen that money go to road construction for the highway system...which is exactly what I have always said. But, I guess that's too socialist...even though it comes from a conservative Republican, one of the few who actually has a brain.

[Monker]

Bush was about as effective as Warren Harding and Herbert Hoover. History will remember him as a failure; his policies were, for the most part, incomprehensible. I admire Obama's diplomacy, much as I admired that characteristic of Bush's far more competent father.

EXACTLY, Bush and Hoover both ignored the economics of the country and allowed it to escalate into a much larger problem.

[Monker]

I just felt that if Stewart and Company were fair game for news, why not Larry.

And, you finaly got something right. Hannity is really no different then the other shows. The difference is Jon Stewart makes it very clear that he is doing a comedy show and has his own liberal bias.

[artist4perry]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

I think one should suffice for most. Regardless of Political sides.........I was not refering to any one side being worse than the other..........only it seems the champion of Global Warming should be the leader by example.

[Ehwmatt]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

I think one should suffice for most. Regardless of Political sides.........I was not refering to any one side being worse than the other..........only it seems the champion of Global Warming should be the leader by example.

Hey, if most people had the money to do it, they'd own at least a vacation home. I know i would. Now, will I ever? I doubt it. It's their right to do whatever they want with their money, Gore included... but as you said, he should be leading by example if he's going to preach what he does.

[artist4perry]

How many houses does Al Gore need anyway?

Two, apparently...quite a few less than Governess Palin, and dozens fewer than McCain.

I think one should suffice for most. Regardless of Political sides.........I was not refering to any one side being worse than the other..........only it seems the champion of Global Warming should be the leader by example.

Hey, if most people had the money to do it, they'd own at least a vacation home. I know i would. Now, will I ever? I doubt it. It's their right to do whatever they want with their money, Gore included... but as you said, he should be leading by example if he's going to preach what he does.

Well the stuff he is advocating for "others' to do should be done by himself as well.

[larryfromnextdoor]

hey Double F.. whats going on in your life right now.. i mean .. got anything in a craw right the last week or so?

[hoagiepete]

In case anyone forgot, Bush came to office complaining about inheriting a recession from Clinton, and the Conservative rank-and-file blamed 9-11 on Clinton. And Reagan blamed Carter for his recession. And so on.

Exactly...and members of this very forum were blaming Clinton for Bush's 'recession' all the way up to his reelection campaign...and all Bush would do is give everybody an early tax cut and tell them to go shopping. Good politics, but it doesn't fix the problem. The only Republicans who admitted this during the last election were Ron Paul and Huckabee. Huckabee said during one of the debates that would have seen that money go to road construction for the highway system...which is exactly what I have always said. But, I guess that's too socialist...even though it comes from a conservative Republican, one of the few who actually has a brain.

I agree!! Well put.

[7 Wishes]

AlGore betrayed this Country...HE PREYED ON OUR FEARS!

Unlike W, of course. Or his dad. Or Reagan. Or Johnson. Or Nixon. And so on and so forth.

Obama, Clinton, Carter - at least they did not engage in warmongering and prey upon prejudices.

[7 Wishes]

Go ahead and sleep like a baby while the world burns (or, in this case, melts).

Seriusly, this "Email hoax" doesn't prove shit because there is still an astronomical amount of scientifically verifiable data proving that it at least partially caused by humankind.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/for-the-first-time-in-human-history-the-north-pole-can-be-circumnavigated-913924.html

The emails do NOT cover any of the data collected here:

The research on the Polar Regions was undertaken over a two-year period by the World Meteorological Organization and the International Council for Science as part of activities to mark the International Polar Year. The research says the rate at which sea level was rising as a result of the melting of polar snow and ice could be higher than earlier estimated. This not only threatens populations in low-lying coastal areas, but may also increase the intensity of storms. The research further states that due to global warming, the types and extent of vegetation in the arctic continues to shift, affecting grazing animals and hunting. Dave Carson is the Director of the International Polar year.

"The ocean is the slow reliable controller of the earth's climate and any hint of changes that we see portend a global change that will affect weather in both hemispheres, it will affect fisheries. Any time we see changes in the polar part oceans we have to have a global concern. The second factor we would point to are the polar ecosystems, even as we start to discover their complexities, especially in the ocean floor and under the ice, we also see indication of change, change at the ecosystem level, changes in migration of new species from the lower latitudes into the polar regions."

The research is calling for a more comprehensive study of the changes taking place in the polar regions, noting that the regions were key to mankind's future environmental well being and sustainable development.

The researchers say what happens in the Polar Regions affects the rest of the world and should concern us all.

[strangegrey]

Obama, Clinton, Carter - at least they did not engage in warmongering and prey upon prejudices.

You're joking right?


Take Clinton.....he gets caught with his dick...oh, sorry...cigar....in a fat ugly intern.

So what does he do? Bomb Bosnia....

Yep...enough warmongering to go around.

[7 Wishes]

Typical bait and switch ploy there, strangegrey. Apples and oranges - right and wrong.

[Monker]

AlGore betrayed this Country...HE PREYED ON OUR FEARS!

Oh, please, the entire Bush administration, and Republicans and conservatives in general, preyed on this nations fears during his 8yrs in office...and it still continues as their 'politics as usual'.

[Monker]

Not hate filled, just willing to make a sacrifice for what will hopefully be a better future.

Wishing somebody ill-will towards their job, income, and future financial security is hate-filled to me. It's no different then say, "Oh, you support the Iraq war? I hope your son/daughter/brother/sister/father/mother/etc, gets deployed and
shot in the head.

But, of course that is what conservatives have learned to to do best from the Rovian politics and their LImbaugh/Beck idols.

As far as Bush being responsible for someone like Obama getting elected, I agree 100%. Conservatives need to go for a more organic, grassroots feel.

Republicans have the same problems Democrats had for years...Your fringe elements have the stronger voice. You have an over-zealous vocal minority that does NOT represent the direction most of this country wants to go.

However, the Republican party was in a mess 10 months ago... now, the shoes have definitely changed feet.

No it hasn't. The same slash and burn politics that cost McCain the election is now dominating the party. When the talking points of the party are defined by Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity, then there is a problem. In the end, there are just a bunch of loud whiners on the fringe dragging down the moderates to their level. Nobody will be nominated who can not appease the far right...that will cost them the national election.

The same situation usually affects the Democrats having to appease the far left. When the Michael Moore's and Jesse Jackson's have too much influence, they go down.

As I see it, by the next President cycle, Obama is going to be in a very good position.

[7 Wishes]

The Republicans themselves admit their party is in disarray and utter chaos. Without a voice of reason to represent them (could George Will run for President?) and their tendency to cater towards the ultra-conservative far right, their message is lost with the general populace. It's going to take a hell of a lot more for the proverbial shoe to be on the other foot.

Once the healthcare reform bill passes, public opinion polls will rise dramatically in favor of the President. People are frustrated because nothing has been resolved yet - but the Democrats don't really need anyone from the GOP to pass it anyway.

Your party is toast.

[hoagiepete]

Once the healthcare reform bill passes, public opinion polls will rise dramatically in favor of the President. People are frustrated because nothing has been resolved yet - but the Democrats don't really need anyone from the GOP to pass it anyway.

Your party is toast.

Are you serious? The American people are overwhelming opposed to what is being proposed.

[Monker]

Once the healthcare reform bill passes, public opinion polls will rise dramatically in favor of the President. People are frustrated because nothing has been resolved yet - but the Democrats don't really need anyone from the GOP to pass it anyway.

Your party is toast.

Are you serious? The American people are overwhelming opposed to what is being proposed.

The American people have no idea what is 'really' being proposed. They are opposed to what the crazy right-wing conspiracy pinheads are misrepresenting. When the reality hits the fan, and there are no 'death panels' or huge tax increases, or all the other bullshit that has been puked forth by desperate conservatives, then I wonder what side is going to be on the defensive...since most of the public DOES want a public option for health care.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The American people have no idea what is 'really' being proposed. They are opposed to what the crazy right-wing conspiracy pinheads are misrepresenting. When the reality hits the fan, and there are no 'death panels' or huge tax increases, or all the other bullshit that has been puked forth by desperate conservatives, then I wonder what side is going to be on the defensive...since most of the public DOES want a public option for health care.

This bill sucks for the most part, however, polling does show people still want a public option.
Instead of further weaking that provision, Reid should start from square one and propose Medicare for all.

[strangegrey]

The Republicans themselves admit their party is in disarray and utter chaos. Without a voice of reason to represent them (could George Will run for President?) and their tendency to cater towards the ultra-conservative far right, their message is lost with the general populace. It's going to take a hell of a lot more for the proverbial shoe to be on the other foot.

Why? That's exactly what put the democrats in power. Do you honestly believe that a one-term senator with a sketchy past is president because he had so much to offer? The same political climate almost elected the wife of a scandal-ridden president that we as a country were all too willing to kick out of washington with gusto 8 years prior. Seriously....the failures of republicans too afraid to act like republicans is the reason why the party has experienced a shake-out. A good thing for conservatives...and a bad thing for liberals.

Once the healthcare reform bill passes, public opinion polls will rise dramatically in favor of the President.

Wow...you actually think that a one-sided, partisan ram rodding of law that a significant majority of this country is against....is going to raise this president's opinion polls? Listen, with all seriousness, the opinion polls are a little more specific than that. There aren't many people that are unhappy with YoMama because he hasn't gotten anything done. That's a criticism of the right...NOT the left....that criticism will only change to greater disapproval when he gets things done. The opinion polls are far more specific to the idea that democrats are ramming bailouts, cap and trade and healthcare down our throats. When he accomplishes these things, it will only get worse for the president. He ran on a platform of centrism and reaching across party lines....and he is governing from a position far left of Nancy Pelosi. You really think he's going to be in a position of opinion advantage after he completes his agenda? crack!!! smoke it much?

Your party is toast.

Keep thinking that. 2010's political results will make the conservative victories in 1994 a wet dream for liberals compared to the nightmare you will have when you wake up on Nov 3, 2010 and realize that the dead, lost party is truly the left, not the right.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The same political climate almost elected the wife of a scandal-ridden president that we as a country were all too willing to kick out of washington with gusto 8 years prior.

If you're talking about Bill Clinton, he left office with the highest approval ratings of ANY President since WW2.

Seriously....the failures of republicans too afraid to act like republicans is the reason why the party has experienced a shake-out. A good thing for conservatives...and a bad thing for liberals.

Keep telling yourself that.
Here's your party's dirty little secret -Dubya governed EXACTLY like a Reagan conservative to a T.
From the interventionist foreign policy, to the supply side tax cuts, to the creepy outreach to the evangelical base, to the expanding of government overall, you name it, Bush was a loyal shepherd of the Reagan legacy.
Conservatives experienced a “shake out” because their policies failed the nation.

[Obama] ran on a platform of centrism and reaching across party lines....and he is governing from a position far left of Nancy Pelosi.

On the one hand, Obama recieves flack for maintaining many of the same policies as Bush.
On the other, he is a supposed radical marxist the likes of which this country has never seen.
It can't be both.
Unless my political barometer swings so hard left that I can't see it, I gotta ask, where is the radicalism?
It can't be the bi-partisan TARP, we had similar bailouts under Reagan and Bush I.
The healthcare reform bill, which is a giveaway to the HMOs, is similar to the plan Nixon pushed, and also what Obama campaigned on.
So this leaves us with what exactly? -The stimulus?
Come election time, I just don't think the majority of the public will begrudge a President for attempting to re-start the economy, I don't care if thats in the form of tax cuts or govt spending.
More likely polls are down because, as Carville made famous, "It's the economy stupid!", and until jobs stop hemorrhaging, they will keep going down.

[wastingbeerz]

Every time they tell me to go green, I leave my car idling in the driveway, jack the air conditioner up full blast, and open all my windows.

Ugh. Seriously? You're one of those, huh?

And proud of it!

People like you are reasons why I have little or no hope for humanity anymore. Our stubbornness will be what ends us, seriously. Those who don't see that are foolish. This isn't a comeback, it's really a cry for help for someone to actually get off their effing high horse and start actually being considerate of beliefs other than their own, and start using reason... and NOT just being stubborn and throwing things in others' faces. Ugh, it's no use anymore. Our species is doomed.