How You Feel About Journey In Three Words Or Less

[larryfromnextdoor]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

GIDDY IS BACK?!?!?

giddy was banned?

[SherriBerry]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

You recall incorrectly - I called myself a Perry because I did not want to be lumped in with the more obsessive types that track down SP's birth certificate and nickname their soap. It weakens Parfait's argument in that he begins his argument by attempting to belittle the person he is challenging. It's called an Ad Hominem - look it up. At this point, you're the one who needs to let it go.

That does not change the fact that he did not hold up Journey, so your comment is irrelevant.

Sure he did (hold them up), and sure it is (relevant). He held them up between ’84-’86, between ’87-’96, and ’96-’98; Herbie was pushing the rest of the band to move on without him during each of those occasions. But they were loyal. His middle name might as well be Delay. That’s all he does. The man exhibited tendencies suggesting that he was clearly afraid of the band finding success without him, thus “don’t fracture the stone.” He fractured it to his benefit more than once.

The band was not held hostage and could have chosen to move on without him, with the full support of Herbie. They chose not to and moved on to other projects instead. Your assumption is that they were loyal - mine is that they believed SP would be too difficult to replace. The band has demonstrated little loyalty over the years and SP has been proven quite difficult to replace.

Bad English was a three year project because these guys needed to stay on the road touring to remain intact, but jumped into side projects off the road and wound up disbanding - that is a quote from John Waite. That and he was clashing with Jon on the writing. Think about it - if they were enjoying huge success at whatever they were doing, they would not end it to try to reform Journey.

What is there to think about? Bad English did enjoy some incredible success, including a number one hit—something neither Perry nor Journey have yet to achieve otherwise. Perhaps Neal secretly enjoys playing in Journey?

If you need to ask what there is to think about... Bad English did not enjoy continued success - it ended, and once again Neal and Jon turned to Journey. If they were filling stadiums as any other band, they would not have disbanded a successful band to reform Journey and see if they could make another go of it. That is a ridiculous assumption.

The SuperBowl performance was completely preventable and demonstrated problems with Journey's management. It was supposed to showcase the new Journey on national television and certainly did not enhance them - ask ScarabGator. The tribute band remarks have no merit to you and I noted that I do not feel that way either, but it has been debated on here and is therefore relevant to Journey's legacy and fanbase.

The atrocious Bill Graham Memorial performance was also preventable and demonstrated problems with not management, but Perry himself. The songs were taken down, the lyrics allegedly taped to the damn floor. He put the crowd into a coma. Doesn't take away from his creative genius and (former) talent.

Steve Perry poured his creative genius and talent into Journey. None of the successive lead singers, as talented as they are, have offered a fraction of that to the music. You are making the argument for me.

Where have you been? No one currently espouses " the legacy" and continuing it more than Neal and Jon and you'll notice that I was responding to Parfait's assertions that Steve Perry tried to thwart their efforts to continue it. That was why I mentioned it - directly countering Parfait's assertions to the contrary. There is nothing to "let go" - it's called a counterpoint. As for the majority who go to hear a few old hits, have no appreciation for the entire Journey catalogue and are clueless to the history of the band and don't care, well their ignorance may be bliss, but the music means more than that to some of us and it matters.

Parfait’s correct: Perry did try to thwart Journey and their efforts to continue it. Why else would he plead them to not go on without him? Perry’s only interested in perpetuating a legacy that DIRECTLY involves him and his voice. Not new material and not new records. You haven’t made much of a counterpoint, but illuminate the man’s monumental selfishness.

Perry tried to thwart the band's potential damage to the legacy of what they built together as Journey, not to stop them from playing the music. If they wanted to go on without him and tour and write new music as the J-Boyz or anything else, that would not have been an issue.

Could you, like, consider, that there is a significant difference between Steve Perry going into the studio to engineer the old catalogue and release the albums so that the fans can enjoy the originals with a clearer sound, and releasing very poorly produced rerecords that did nothing but artificially inflate Journey's sales numbers? They get zero airplay, but the general consensus on this board is that the rerecords make great coasters.

Why would he engineer the old catalogue? The sound was perfectly fine; Perry was out to make a buck, not to drastically improve the quality of the sound. It’s not like it was shit to begin with. I appreciate you trying to impute some sort of altruistic mentality on a man who has never exhibited any, but we live in the real world. Journey had more of an incentive, musically speaking, to release the old hits: they wanted to prove that they had a vocalist who could honor Perry’s legacy—as Ross said—by singing the old material up to par. What was Perry’s motivation? Ah, yes. The unattested notion that he was improving the quality of sound. Please. He’s far more intent on milking the old material than the rest of Journey is. They, at least, put out new material.

SP engineered the old catalogue because Sony asked him to and the quality with the new technology is, in fact, an improvement. If you have the original albums on CD, it's your choice as to whether or not you want to purchase them. If you wanted 'Revelation', there was no choice - the rerecords were part of the deal. As for doing so because they wanted to prove they had a singer who could honour the legacy, do your research. Neal has been talking about rerecords as far back as Steve Augeri, but at least you acknowledged that the band references the legacy regarding their actions.

I did not say they didn't - I said leave some for SP, not give it all to SP.

Parfait in no way disrespected Steve Perry. He gave his opinion about Perry’s less-than-honorable dealings; just like you provided some similar dealings by current Journey (i.e. Tapegate, JSS firing, ect.). What’s the difference between the two of you?

I did not say Parfait was disrespecting SP in that instance - I was stating that he should be respected too. Perhaps if you left the statement I was responding to at the time, it would be clearer to you.

That the critics branded Journey as corporate rock to minimize their music demonstrates their insipid bias - using them as an example of judging artistic integrity does not benefit you. I don't care what they think of the songs anyway, but using them for crap commercials ruins the association and the enjoyment of them by the fans and if you don't get that, so be it. And again, I was countering Parfait's arguments, so seriously, drop the attitude.

Your excuses are irrelevant. The fact remains that NO ONE important considers Journey to be on par with the true greats in terms of artistic integrity and soul. And that includes the Perry-era. They’re underrated, underappreciated, and that’s not likely to change. The talent’s there, but no one cares about their legacy and their integrity other than their ability to put on a good show. And in what weird-ass dimension does using a song for “crap commercials” (which are subjective to begin with) ruin the integrity? The key edict to any novice in P.R. understands one thing—there’s no such thing as bad publicity. It’s called exposure. Don’t Stop Believin’ could be used for anything from Tampon commercials to election campaign commercials and all it would do is just put the song into people’s heads.

Your entire statement is utter ignorance and if that is your opinion of their music, what in the hell are you even doing here? A bunch of elitist cranks at Rolling Stone magazine and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame don't appreciate Journey's music, so their music, integrity, and legacy is irrelevant? That is the stupidest comment I have ever heard on here! I am not calling you stupid, but you should rethink your position. If it were true, Journey would still be on tour with Steve Augeri playing to tapes - it matters. Stephen King is one of the most critically panned authors in existence, but that does not negate the significance, quality, or impact of his writing. And giving a song negative associations is significant, and anyone with a basic understanding of psychology would recognize that.

True,

Good, then you acknowledge that your point was meritless.

No, but your comment did not affect the point I was making in responding to Parfait.

but that does not change the fact that people continue to whine about SP getting paid while he was not touring. Neal agreed to it and as there was already a precedent set by Gregg Rolie, it is hardly reasonable to keep throwing that criticism at SP.

Where is the source for Gregg Rolie? And furthermore, when did Gregg Rolie get paid after royally screwing the band over? Different circumstances; your comparison is moot. But your Perry apologia is entertaining, so I encourage you to continue.

The source for Gregg Rolie is in the interviews with Herbie. If you have not read them, do your bloody research before you spout off. Gregg chose to leave the band and was paid for part of the next tour in compensation for his contributions while JC was not yet paid as a full member. Smitty and Ross were fired and paid out the next tour as compensation. Steve Perry cowrote the entire catalogue that they played on tour, is recognized as the voice of Journey, and was paid out for the next several tours as compensation for his contributions and his share of the band bought out. Direct comparison.

As for the "Perry apologia" comment, you are either Gideon or you study his posts, because that is one of his catch phrases. He originated it on here and was the only one who used it. Considering how new you are to MR, how long Gideon has been banned, and your posting style, I am guessing you are Gideon.

[SherriBerry]

(And once again we resume our regularly scheduled program...)

Nickel and Dime

[Michigan Girl]

Giddy doesn't let things go, which is what got him banned!!! ( has no
respect for authority)
He's a very smart kid, but lacks maturity. (won't stop unless HE wins)
Will argue with a wall (people usually stop listening before he's
ready to shut up)
Does not belong in this thread (cannot limit himself to 3 words, ever)

Giddy, I missed you!!! No new material, eh?!?!?


PISSED AT PERRY!!!!

[portland]

Wombat Giddy Confirmation???

[Jana]

Giddy isn't banned.

[portland]

He is here

[Michigan Girl]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

GIDDY IS BACK?!?!?

giddy was banned?

I missed it, Larry ..."The Resignation"...but here you go!!!

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... on&start=0

If I read it right, Gideon tendered his resignation in such a way as to make reinstatement a non option.

Noone can splice up a sentence like Giddy....

YES

NO

Black

White

[Jana]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

GIDDY IS BACK?!?!?

giddy was banned?

I missed it, Larry ..."The Resignation"...but here you go!!!

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... on&start=0

If I read it right, Gideon tendered his resignation in such a way as to make reinstatement a non option.

Gideon is still a member. Andrew has never deleted his account.

[Michigan Girl]

Jana~ I'm sure you know what you're talking about, I'll believe it when I see
Giddy posting as Gideon.

[Jana]

Jana~ I'm sure you know what you're talking about, I'll believe it when I see
Giddy posting as Gideon.

Oh, I don't believe he will post here under Gideon. I was just addressing the remark that Andrew hasn't banned him or about reinstatement. Technically, he's still a member if he chooses to post, I think.

[portland]

Back to three

[larryfromnextdoor]

I missed it, Larry ..."The Resignation"...but here you go!!!

ahhh.. well ,, one thing i know for sure.. is that if someone resigns, or quits the board in any way,

then that is permanant and they will never be seen again...

imagaine,, typing your "im quitting" speech only to come back with a different

screen name ,, wouldnt that just "sully" all the other posts..

[Don]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

GIDDY IS BACK?!?!?

giddy was banned?

I missed it, Larry ..."The Resignation"...but here you go!!!

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... on&start=0

If I read it right, Gideon tendered his resignation in such a way as to make reinstatement a non option.

Gideon is still a member. Andrew has never deleted his account.

I'm pretty sure Andrew told him he was banned point blank over at WTF. A lot of people here witnessed what went down over there and it made his interactions here with Andrew look like pre-school. If Andrew didn't ban him, it was only because he forgot to throw the switch.

He was banned before that when he was posting as Strange Medicine. So Andrew had given him a second chance already. Both times it wasn't necessarily how he talked to other posters, it was his dialog with Andrew that really went over the line which got him the boot. I think talking about Andrew on someone else's board didn't help at all either.

[bluejeangirl76]

I observed it as merely pointless condescension - there is nothing to "let go".

Your observation is noted, but since the majority here—including yourself, if I recall—proudly wear the moniker, why would you consider it a pejorative? It was a tame comment, and it in no way weakens his argument. So, yes, let it go.

That does not change the fact that he did not hold up Journey, so your comment is irrelevant.

Sure he did (hold them up), and sure it is (relevant). He held them up between ’84-’86, between ’87-’96, and ’96-’98; Herbie was pushing the rest of the band to move on without him during each of those occasions. But they were loyal. His middle name might as well be Delay. That’s all he does. The man exhibited tendencies suggesting that he was clearly afraid of the band finding success without him, thus “don’t fracture the stone.” He fractured it to his benefit more than once.

Bad English was a three year project because these guys needed to stay on the road touring to remain intact, but jumped into side projects off the road and wound up disbanding - that is a quote from John Waite. That and he was clashing with Jon on the writing. Think about it - if they were enjoying huge success at whatever they were doing, they would not end it to try to reform Journey.

What is there to think about? Bad English did enjoy some incredible success, including a number one hit—something neither Perry nor Journey have yet to achieve otherwise. Perhaps Neal secretly enjoys playing in Journey?

The SuperBowl performance was completely preventable and demonstrated problems with Journey's management. It was supposed to showcase the new Journey on national television and certainly did not enhance them - ask ScarabGator. The tribute band remarks have no merit to you and I noted that I do not feel that way either, but it has been debated on here and is therefore relevant to Journey's legacy and fanbase.

The atrocious Bill Graham Memorial performance was also preventable and demonstrated problems with not management, but Perry himself. The songs were taken down, the lyrics allegedly taped to the damn floor. He put the crowd into a coma. Doesn't take away from his creative genius and (former) talent.

Where have you been? No one currently espouses " the legacy" and continuing it more than Neal and Jon and you'll notice that I was responding to Parfait's assertions that Steve Perry tried to thwart their efforts to continue it. That was why I mentioned it - directly countering Parfait's assertions to the contrary. There is nothing to "let go" - it's called a counterpoint. As for the majority who go to hear a few old hits, have no appreciation for the entire Journey catalogue and are clueless to the history of the band and don't care, well their ignorance may be bliss, but the music means more than that to some of us and it matters.

Parfait’s correct: Perry did try to thwart Journey and their efforts to continue it. Why else would he plead them to not go on without him? Perry’s only interested in perpetuating a legacy that DIRECTLY involves him and his voice. Not new material and not new records. You haven’t made much of a counterpoint, but illuminate the man’s monumental selfishness.

Could you, like, consider, that there is a significant difference between Steve Perry going into the studio to engineer the old catalogue and release the albums so that the fans can enjoy the originals with a clearer sound, and releasing very poorly produced rerecords that did nothing but artificially inflate Journey's sales numbers? They get zero airplay, but the general consensus on this board is that the rerecords make great coasters.

Why would he engineer the old catalogue? The sound was perfectly fine; Perry was out to make a buck, not to drastically improve the quality of the sound. It’s not like it was shit to begin with. I appreciate you trying to impute some sort of altruistic mentality on a man who has never exhibited any, but we live in the real world. Journey had more of an incentive, musically speaking, to release the old hits: they wanted to prove that they had a vocalist who could honor Perry’s legacy—as Ross said—by singing the old material up to par. What was Perry’s motivation? Ah, yes. The unattested notion that he was improving the quality of sound. Please. He’s far more intent on milking the old material than the rest of Journey is. They, at least, put out new material.

I did not say they didn't - I said leave some for SP, not give it all to SP.

Parfait in no way disrespected Steve Perry. He gave his opinion about Perry’s less-than-honorable dealings; just like you provided some similar dealings by current Journey (i.e. Tapegate, JSS firing, ect.). What’s the difference between the two of you?

That the critics branded Journey as corporate rock to minimize their music demonstrates their insipid bias - using them as an example of judging artistic integrity does not benefit you. I don't care what they think of the songs anyway, but using them for crap commercials ruins the association and the enjoyment of them by the fans and if you don't get that, so be it. And again, I was countering Parfait's arguments, so seriously, drop the attitude.

Your excuses are irrelevant. The fact remains that NO ONE important considers Journey to be on par with the true greats in terms of artistic integrity and soul. And that includes the Perry-era. They’re underrated, underappreciated, and that’s not likely to change. The talent’s there, but no one cares about their legacy and their integrity other than their ability to put on a good show. And in what weird-ass dimension does using a song for “crap commercials” (which are subjective to begin with) ruin the integrity? The key edict to any novice in P.R. understands one thing—there’s no such thing as bad publicity. It’s called exposure. Don’t Stop Believin’ could be used for anything from Tampon commercials to election campaign commercials and all it would do is just put the song into people’s heads.

True,

Good, then you acknowledge that your point was meritless.

but that does not change the fact that people continue to whine about SP getting paid while he was not touring. Neal agreed to it and as there was already a precedent set by Gregg Rolie, it is hardly reasonable to keep throwing that criticism at SP.

Where is the source for Gregg Rolie? And furthermore, when did Gregg Rolie get paid after royally screwing the band over? Different circumstances; your comparison is moot. But your Perry apologia is entertaining, so I encourage you to continue.

That was WAY more than 3 words.

[Ehwmatt]

That was WAY more than 3 words.

Oh look, you can count!

[larryfromnextdoor]

That was WAY more than 3 words.

that was funny!!!!

[larryfromnextdoor]

If Andrew didn't ban him, it was only because he forgot to throw the switch.

[Don]

If Andrew didn't ban him, it was only because he forgot to throw the switch.

Not that I'm passing judgment, it's just some people here only saw half of the picture and might not be aware that things had continued on, elsewhere.

[bluejeangirl76]

That was WAY more than 3 words.

Oh look, you can count!

Only up to 3. But that's all I need for this topic.

[ChildInTime]

Can't keep it to three words... how about three lines... like a haiku?

Amazing vocals
Emotional guitar lines
A ton of drama

[JasonD]

Dang!!! All the good lines are taken. Oh well, I'll just comment on the humor I find in the title of this thread: "How do you feel about Journey in three words or less." LOL!!! Oh, V, of little faith. That's pretty bad when a person can't come up with a total of three words to describe Journey. (I humor myself sometimes.) I'm visualizing someone wanting to respond to this thread & they're responses run something along the lines of:

a. Cool
b. Plays Music
c. Band
d. Those Guys
c. Friga, Please!

Sorry, V, but it's like some dude's thinking, "I can't come up with a third word..... well, he did say 'or less.'" I don't know why I find that funny. I just do. I've been working on a car all day. Maybe the exhaust fumes gave me a buzz, but to me that's funny as hell.

[Andrew]

Giddy isn't banned.

Yes he is. I can only tollerate so much arrogance.

[Andrew]

Yeah, it's that fundamental double standard that just grates at ya. From my perspective, it's not hard to see (or imagine) that all of Journey's vocalists brought something worthwhile to the table. I mean, even Augeri; a world-class band like Journey isn't going to pick a talentless schmuck to sing for them! The masses are pleased. I think people have their preferences, which is more than okay.

If, for example, P(ortland)erson X genuinely doesn't like Arnel's voice, more power to her. If she genuinely can't see why they hired him, all right. But then she should understand better than anyone that people are not bound to like or worship a particular vocalist and should therefore be more... open minded... for those who do not regard the great Steve Perry as she does.

That is objectivity. What's good for one is good for all and people shouldn't be treated differently if they are honest, straightforward, and adhere to a single standard.

/My condescending lecture for the day.

And your last post also. I never invited you back Gideon. And if you are NOT Giddyup, then I will require solid proof via e-mail that is the case. But I don't see that happening.

[Ehwmatt]

Yeah, it's that fundamental double standard that just grates at ya. From my perspective, it's not hard to see (or imagine) that all of Journey's vocalists brought something worthwhile to the table. I mean, even Augeri; a world-class band like Journey isn't going to pick a talentless schmuck to sing for them! The masses are pleased. I think people have their preferences, which is more than okay.

If, for example, P(ortland)erson X genuinely doesn't like Arnel's voice, more power to her. If she genuinely can't see why they hired him, all right. But then she should understand better than anyone that people are not bound to like or worship a particular vocalist and should therefore be more... open minded... for those who do not regard the great Steve Perry as she does.

That is objectivity. What's good for one is good for all and people shouldn't be treated differently if they are honest, straightforward, and adhere to a single standard.

/My condescending lecture for the day.

And your last post also. I never invited you back Gideon. And if you are NOT Giddyup, then I will require solid proof via e-mail that is the case. But I don't see that happening.

lol

[parfait]

Yeah, it's that fundamental double standard that just grates at ya. From my perspective, it's not hard to see (or imagine) that all of Journey's vocalists brought something worthwhile to the table. I mean, even Augeri; a world-class band like Journey isn't going to pick a talentless schmuck to sing for them! The masses are pleased. I think people have their preferences, which is more than okay.

If, for example, P(ortland)erson X genuinely doesn't like Arnel's voice, more power to her. If she genuinely can't see why they hired him, all right. But then she should understand better than anyone that people are not bound to like or worship a particular vocalist and should therefore be more... open minded... for those who do not regard the great Steve Perry as she does.

That is objectivity. What's good for one is good for all and people shouldn't be treated differently if they are honest, straightforward, and adhere to a single standard.

/My condescending lecture for the day.

And your last post also. I never invited you back Gideon. And if you are NOT Giddyup, then I will require solid proof via e-mail that is the case. But I don't see that happening.

lol

+1 for Escape81. One of the best posts I've seen around here.

[Michigan Girl]

Yeah, it's that fundamental double standard that just grates at ya. From my perspective, it's not hard to see (or imagine) that all of Journey's vocalists brought something worthwhile to the table. I mean, even Augeri; a world-class band like Journey isn't going to pick a talentless schmuck to sing for them! The masses are pleased. I think people have their preferences, which is more than okay.

If, for example, P(ortland)erson X genuinely doesn't like Arnel's voice, more power to her. If she genuinely can't see why they hired him, all right. But then she should understand better than anyone that people are not bound to like or worship a particular vocalist and should therefore be more... open minded... for those who do not regard the great Steve Perry as she does.

That is objectivity. What's good for one is good for all and people shouldn't be treated differently if they are honest, straightforward, and adhere to a single standard.

/My condescending lecture for the day.

And your last post also. I never invited you back Gideon. And if you are NOT Giddyup, then I will require solid proof via e-mail that is the case. But I don't see that happening.

lol

+1 for Escape81. One of the best posts I've seen around here.

Bye Escape81...

[stevew2]

Dang!!! All the good lines are taken. Oh well, I'll just comment on the humor I find in the title of this thread: "How do you feel about Journey in three words or less." LOL!!! Oh, V, of little faith. That's pretty bad when a person can't come up with a total of three words to describe Journey. (I humor myself sometimes.) I'm visualizing someone wanting to respond to this thread & they're responses run something along the lines of:

a. Cool
b. Plays Music
c. Band
d. Those Guys
c. Friga, Please!

Sorry, V, but it's like some dude's thinking, "I can't come up with a third word..... well, he did say 'or less.'" I don't know why I find that funny. I just do. I've been working on a car all day. Maybe the exhaust fumes gave me a buzz, but to me that's funny as hell.

you are doing mans work now??? i thought you were a striper

[JasonD]

Dang!!! All the good lines are taken. Oh well, I'll just comment on the humor I find in the title of this thread: "How do you feel about Journey in three words or less." LOL!!! Oh, V, of little faith. That's pretty bad when a person can't come up with a total of three words to describe Journey. (I humor myself sometimes.) I'm visualizing someone wanting to respond to this thread & they're responses run something along the lines of:

a. Cool
b. Plays Music
c. Band
d. Those Guys
c. Friga, Please!

Sorry, V, but it's like some dude's thinking, "I can't come up with a third word..... well, he did say 'or less.'" I don't know why I find that funny. I just do. I've been working on a car all day. Maybe the exhaust fumes gave me a buzz, but to me that's funny as hell.

you are doing mans work now??? i thought you were a striper

Striper? Is that one of those guys who paints the stripes on a road? LOL!!! It's stripper, bro. (sorry.) Just had to play wit'cha.
Yeah, I can do some guy things. I can't tear apart engines or anything like that, but simple stuff like mufflers, exhausts & tailpipes I can do.

[Chubby321]

Dang!!! All the good lines are taken. Oh well, I'll just comment on the humor I find in the title of this thread: "How do you feel about Journey in three words or less." LOL!!! Oh, V, of little faith. That's pretty bad when a person can't come up with a total of three words to describe Journey. (I humor myself sometimes.) I'm visualizing someone wanting to respond to this thread & they're responses run something along the lines of:

a. Cool
b. Plays Music
c. Band
d. Those Guys
c. Friga, Please!

Sorry, V, but it's like some dude's thinking, "I can't come up with a third word..... well, he did say 'or less.'" I don't know why I find that funny. I just do. I've been working on a car all day. Maybe the exhaust fumes gave me a buzz, but to me that's funny as hell.

you are doing mans work now??? i thought you were a striper

Striper? Is that one of those guys who paints the stripes on a road? LOL!!! It's stripper, bro. (sorry.) Just had to play wit'cha.
Yeah, I can do some guy things. I can't tear apart engines or anything like that, but simple stuff like mufflers, exhausts & tailpipes I can do.

I have no doubt.