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Postby ScarabGator » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:20 am

steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


minus the voice and mastermind(alright-co-mastermind)of the entire album plus the percussionist who made it happen. What Perry brought to Escape was a lot more than just "the singer"......he was the heart, the feeling and the soul that made it what it was. You will NEVER replace that.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:32 am

Gunbot wrote:The problem Journey is having that keeps Perry from disappearing is their inability to hang their hats on a new song. DSB is dominating anything they have accomplished Post Perry. If you read my post linking the article form the Guardian (A British paper), even people over there in Britain associate that song with SP, and they were never strong Journey supporters to begin with.

This isn't because of Journey's sterling work. The American FM rock bandband –put together in 1973 by former members of Santana – have spent recent years gigging quietly around the world since their US chart pomp more than a quarter of a century ago. Don't Stop Believin's is in this week's charts because of its appearance on last weekend's X Factor. This week, baby-faced beauty Joe McElderry sang the song for the show's Rock Week, and in doing so spoke directly to "smalltown girls" living in "lonely worlds", many of whom picked up their mobiles and kept him in the contest. This gave Steve Perry's classic American narrative about finding hope in the streetlights a new, oestrogen-fuelled twist; it also inspired 7,000 viewers to find the original online, and click "buy".

Despite being a virtual recluse over the years, Perry has made himself readily available when it come to discussing anything about DSB. He's been on record more so than either Cain or Schon the last few years. It really does give the impression that the song is his baby.


You'll get no argument from me on this one. I do find it interesting how Perry is more tied to the song than Journey is though. If not aware, you'd almost think it's a Perry solo song with some of the articles that are being written.

I still think it MIGHT be possible for the band to have a break with album #2 as long as they keep the momentum rolling and don't wait too long. For whatever reason, you actually have a market that wants Journey at the moment. Go figure....
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:37 am

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Gunbot wrote:The problem Journey is having that keeps Perry from disappearing is their inability to hang their hats on a new song. DSB is dominating anything they have accomplished Post Perry. If you read my post linking the article form the Guardian (A British paper), even people over there in Britain associate that song with SP, and they were never strong Journey supporters to begin with.

This isn't because of Journey's sterling work. The American FM rock bandband –put together in 1973 by former members of Santana – have spent recent years gigging quietly around the world since their US chart pomp more than a quarter of a century ago. Don't Stop Believin's is in this week's charts because of its appearance on last weekend's X Factor. This week, baby-faced beauty Joe McElderry sang the song for the show's Rock Week, and in doing so spoke directly to "smalltown girls" living in "lonely worlds", many of whom picked up their mobiles and kept him in the contest. This gave Steve Perry's classic American narrative about finding hope in the streetlights a new, oestrogen-fuelled twist; it also inspired 7,000 viewers to find the original online, and click "buy".

Despite being a virtual recluse over the years, Perry has made himself readily available when it come to discussing anything about DSB. He's been on record more so than either Cain or Schon the last few years. It really does give the impression that the song is his baby.


You'll get no argument from me on this one. I do find it interesting how Perry is more tied to the song than Journey is though. If not aware, you'd almost think it's a Perry solo song with some of the articles that are being written.

I still think it MIGHT be possible for the band to have a break with album #2 as long as they keep the momentum rolling and don't wait too long. For whatever reason, you actually have a market that wants Journey at the moment. Go figure....


I understand the need to take time off for a year but can DSB continue to stay that popular to fill the void or will it get to the point where everyone has heard it enough already? Oprah proved again that all their fortunes are tied to that song. They didn't even play a new song for their encore and instead opted for another legacy tune in Faithfully which surprised me as I thought they would want to show past meeting present or something to that effect, especially with that huge TV audience.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:49 am

Gunbot wrote:I understand the need to take time off for a year but can DSB continue to stay that popular to fill the void or will it get to the point where everyone has heard it enough already? Oprah proved again that all their fortunes are tied to that song.


So is Sony's fortune... this is Sony's Journey facebook page... this message went up late last night... :lol:

"Join the campaign to get Journey's "Don't Stop Believin" to Christmas number 1 in the UK!"

http://www.facebook.com/#/journey?v=wall&ref=nf

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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:51 am

I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:02 am

Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


Journey should have negotiated their contracts so they owned the masters. It's been done countless times by other bands and artists. That's the one place Herbie fucked up, for all he did good.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:02 am

Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:13 am

steveo777 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


Journey should have negotiated their contracts so they owned the masters. It's been done countless times by other bands and artists. That's the one place Herbie fucked up, for all he did good.


I believe HH said at one time that Journey DID own their music....but then they fired him. And Journey had an individual album recording contract. And they wanted to continue without Perry, whom Sony pushed to get back into the band. I think somewhere Sony flexed some muscle and the band, all too eager to move on without Perry, gave up everything in the process.
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Postby Since 78 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:13 am

steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:22 am

Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?
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Postby mmberry301 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:23 am

Hmmmm...just thought of something. (I'm sure it's probably been mentioned b4 but I've just missed it on this forum.)

Wonder if Journey would ever re-record every Journey album starting with Infinity. Release them say every year (around Christmas time). Just to have Arnel on every song and close the circle if you will.

If they would do some alternate takes and intros to those classic songs it might be worth a sheckel or two from us fans. :)

Some of you may not think it a good idea...but it was a thought.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:24 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:28 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand he's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


That's sort of what it does say, songs on the Greatest Hits CD performed by the original members, I.e. not re-recorded versions using members not on the originals. I guess it's how you interpret it. Sony just looking after their investment.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:36 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:38 am

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?


Ah, are you one of the loons who gloated and cheered online when Castronovo blew out a chord a few years ago?
Hoping it happens to Pineda too? :lol:
You're back to harping on this "stepped down" thing they supposedly did with Pineda as though they taking pains to preserve a singer that they never had to do under perry, give us a break the ROR tour saw many songs punched up to about 300 MPH sounding like the chipmunks for the same reason: preserving perry's pipes. JSS has confirmed as much on these pages. So pineda is getting no special crutches "the voice" didn;t have.
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:40 am

mmberry301 wrote:Hmmmm...just thought of something. (I'm sure it's probably been mentioned b4 but I've just missed it on this forum.)

Wonder if Journey would ever re-record every Journey album starting with Infinity. Release them say every year (around Christmas time). Just to have Arnel on every song and close the circle if you will.

If they would do some alternate takes and intros to those classic songs it might be worth a sheckel or two from us fans. :)

Some of you may not think it a good idea...but it was a thought.


Who would finance it? Journey? The only sure winners on that deal are Augeri, Dunbar, Perry, etc. who could only make money off of that deal without any chance of losing it. They get paid for CDs pressed, not sell through. if Journey paid out of pocket for these CDs to be circulated and they flopped, The current band would be paying the ex-members the writing royalties themselves.
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Postby Since 78 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:41 am

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?


Not when I saw them. Anyway, that was funny.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:42 am

Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:43 am

steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
: st before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)


None of your business :evil: :wink:
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:43 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?


Ah, are you one of the loons who gloated and cheered online when Castronovo blew out a chord a few years ago?
Hoping it happens to Pineda too? :lol:
You're back to harping on this "stepped down" thing they supposedly did with Pineda as though they taking pains to preserve a singer that they never had to do under perry, give us a break the ROR tour saw many songs punched up to about 300 MPH sounding like the chipmunks for the same reason: preserving perry's pipes. JSS has confirmed as much on these pages. So pineda is getting no special crutches "the voice" didn;t have.


No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:45 am

steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)


Probably because this forum allows us to follow any Journey lineup we like, unlike the official board where Journey history tends to start in 2007.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:45 am

Described Steveo to a perfect little TEEEEE^^^^^^^same ol shit with him!!! :wink:

in reference to G~boys post above G~boys post!!! :wink:
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:46 am

steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)


Shits and giggles....
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:48 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
: st before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)


None of your business :evil: :wink:


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Postby steveo777 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:53 am

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steveo777 wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I can't see the band having any type of legal authority to stop Sony from doing it. Sony owns the masters, don't they? The original masters performed by the original members (They're not saying the original members of Journey but the original members that recorded the masters contained on that Greatest Hits CD). I can't see how you can block Sony from saying that.


I agree. Sony didn't say anything on that sticker that isn't true and they they listed each band member that is featured on the songs included. Their asses are covered. Obviously they are the holders/distributors of that material and they are marketing it truthfully, so I don't see where the band has jack crap all to say about it.



I don't think they care to, it's not getting in the way of what they're doing.
Neal's said as much, in the one famous "so F--- him" interview that they understand perry's hung up on rereleasing the old archive material and that everybody's fine with it.
but the sticker is definately factually false. Schon/Rolie/Valory and I believe Prarie Prince and George Tickner are the only "original members." To be accurate the way you and GB are claiming the things would've had to say only "the original recordings as done by the members in the band at that time."
Just more revisionist history from band outsiders along the lines of "the band didn't exist before Infinity and hasn't existed since TBF."


This is why I'm glad I stopped listening after '96.


So what's your excuse for being on here today? :wink: :twisted: :lol: 8)


Probably because this forum allows us to follow any Journey lineup we like, unlike the official board where Journey history tends to start in 2007.


Just a friendly little jab. You people are sooooo uptight around here. I've gotta do something to pass the time at work, lest I have to actually DO some work. LOL :?
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Postby Red13JoePa » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:54 am

Gunbot wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?


Ah, are you one of the loons who gloated and cheered online when Castronovo blew out a chord a few years ago?
Hoping it happens to Pineda too? :lol:
You're back to harping on this "stepped down" thing they supposedly did with Pineda as though they taking pains to preserve a singer that they never had to do under perry, give us a break the ROR tour saw many songs punched up to about 300 MPH sounding like the chipmunks for the same reason: preserving perry's pipes. JSS has confirmed as much on these pages. So pineda is getting no special crutches "the voice" didn;t have.


No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.


OK.
Many perry-only fans such as yourself did so I was just checking.
For my part I've never gloated about whatever declines may or may not be evident in "the voice's" voice because I've never been in love with it and fetishised over it anyway...
Far's him being 18 yrs Pineda's senior, I believe he was younger than pineda when they had to do the 90 second chipmunks version of AWYWI on ROR in deference to his vox.
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Postby Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:57 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:R13JP, thats completely true and I cant argue it with any facts other than many people I meet out and about had no idea whats been going on with Journey since 1984. Thats like assuming everyone knew Randy Jackson played bass in 1986. When I went and saw them in Atlanta back in August 2008 I actually met people in the smoking section outside the ampitheatre that thought they were coming to see the band from, and I quote "that Escape album..."


Well, they did see the band from that Escape album, just not the same singer. They got the one that can still sing. :wink:


Nice! :lol:


Better hope his voice never goes out, seeing as he doesn't have any other royalties coming to him. Didn't they perform stepped down last year, only his second year with the group?


Ah, are you one of the loons who gloated and cheered online when Castronovo blew out a chord a few years ago?
Hoping it happens to Pineda too? :lol:
You're back to harping on this "stepped down" thing they supposedly did with Pineda as though they taking pains to preserve a singer that they never had to do under perry, give us a break the ROR tour saw many songs punched up to about 300 MPH sounding like the chipmunks for the same reason: preserving perry's pipes. JSS has confirmed as much on these pages. So pineda is getting no special crutches "the voice" didn;t have.


No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.


OK.
Many perry-only fans such as yourself did so I was just checking.
For my part I've never gloated about whatever declines may or may not be evident in "the voice's" voice because I've never been in love with it and fetishised over it anyway...
Far's him being 18 yrs Pineda's senior, I believe he was younger than pineda when they had to do the 90 second chipmunks version of AWYWI on ROR in deference to his vox.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:01 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.


OK.
Many perry-only fans such as yourself did so I was just checking.
For my part I've never gloated about whatever declines may or may not be evident in "the voice's" voice because I've never been in love with it and fetishised over it anyway...
Far's him being 18 yrs Pineda's senior, I believe he was younger than pineda when they had to do the 90 second chipmunks version of AWYWI on ROR in deference to his vox.

Well, you know it just all depends on how you prefer your vox "LIVE"
90 second chipmunk speed or Barry White slow!!! :wink:
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:03 am

How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
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Postby Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:06 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.


OK.
Many perry-only fans such as yourself did so I was just checking.
For my part I've never gloated about whatever declines may or may not be evident in "the voice's" voice because I've never been in love with it and fetishised over it anyway...
Far's him being 18 yrs Pineda's senior, I believe he was younger than pineda when they had to do the 90 second chipmunks version of AWYWI on ROR in deference to his vox.

Well, you know it just all depends on how you prefer your vox "LIVE"
90 second chipmunk speed or Barry White slow!!! :wink:


Barry White all the way. Love him. :wink: :lol: :lol:
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