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by Red13JoePa » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:10 am
Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
by Michigan Girl » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:11 am
Jana wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Red13JoePa wrote:Gunbot wrote:
No, I never gloated about anyone losing their voice. If people want to gloat about Perry's voice not being there as compared to Arnel's who happens to be 18 years his junior, I'm just saying what comes around goes around.
OK.
Many perry-only fans such as yourself did so I was just checking.
For my part I've never gloated about whatever declines may or may not be evident in "the voice's" voice because I've never been in love with it and fetishised over it anyway...
Far's him being 18 yrs Pineda's senior, I believe he was younger than pineda when they had to do the 90 second chipmunks version of AWYWI on ROR in deference to his vox.
Well, you know it just all depends on how you prefer your vox "LIVE"
90 second chipmunk speed or Barry White slow!!!
Barry White all the way. Love him.
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:21 am
by Chubby321 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:56 am
ScarabGator wrote:steveo777 wrote:ScarabGator wrote:steveo777 wrote:ScarabGator wrote:shit, they got arnie boy re-recording Augeri tunes(Faith in the heartland) for crying out loud!!!! What is the damn deal with forcing arnie down our damn throats???
What the fuck is wrong with you? It's one damn song. Forcing Arnel down our throats? All those people who bought Rev. were lead to the store with guns to their heads and all those sold out gigs last summer had people showing up handcuffed and being escorted into the buildings by police officers. Denial sucks dude.
It just so happens that for anyone to have Revelation they were also given a re-record package.....almost seems like brainwashing. And bro, if you think everybody who attended those concerts last summer was as up on Journey as this MR fanbase then you are in denial. According to local newspaper articles that covered the shows many were there only for the nostalgia, they had no idea who was singing and didnt care. The name JOURNEY and the classic songs sold out the shows.
More confirmation that Journey sounds like Journey and it sells. It just works. If they sounded bad they wouldn't have the draw that they do. Granted, Pineda will probably not be the household name that Perry is but he carries the band well. I don't see how it could be any better at this stage of the game.
or that many people who bought it didnt realize in advance that this was Journey without Steve Perry.
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:02 am
by Saint John » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:42 pm
Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
by steveo777 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:48 pm
Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
by Saint John » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:06 pm
by Deb » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:07 pm
steveo777 wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Thats thick dude, thick.
Pineda wouldn't be singing for Journey today if it wasn't for that "10 year flash in the pan".by portland » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:07 pm
Saint John wrote:As far as GH being back in the Top 200 that's pretty incredible. Good to see people today are evolving with their atstes and that this new generation is being exposed to the greatest era of the greatest band ever. Congrats to all, past and present.
by Saint John » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:09 pm
Deb wrote:Ya, not quite the word I would've used.
by Deb » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:18 pm
Saint John wrote:Deb wrote:Ya, not quite the word I would've used.
We can play the "if" game till my balls sag to my knees if you'd like.
by Chubby321 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:18 pm
Saint John wrote:Deb wrote:Ya, not quite the word I would've used.
We can play the "if" game till my balls sag to my knees if you'd like.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:26 pm
Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
by Art Vandelay » Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:57 pm
Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
by Author2 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:06 pm
Jana wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Exactly. It's not like before the age of 41 he wasn't singing since he was a teen consistently almost every night. Arnel never seemed to struggle at all this year for the most part. He seemed very comfortable and not stressed. And I'm glad Journey recognized they had a real talent with his unbelievably powerful vocal range and not to blow out his voice. They didn't hire a 35-year-old. It was never even mentioned in reviews or by many concert-goers, so it wasn't very noticeable. I never even thought about it in concert except can tell in Faithfully if I think about it, but still love that song with his powerful vocals live and was my favorite of the night and was my sister's favorite song of the night even half a step down. Very emotional delivery by Arnel.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:13 pm
Author2 wrote:Jana wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Exactly. It's not like before the age of 41 he wasn't singing since he was a teen consistently almost every night. Arnel never seemed to struggle at all this year for the most part. He seemed very comfortable and not stressed. And I'm glad Journey recognized they had a real talent with his unbelievably powerful vocal range and not to blow out his voice. They didn't hire a 35-year-old. It was never even mentioned in reviews or by many concert-goers, so it wasn't very noticeable. I never even thought about it in concert except can tell in Faithfully if I think about it, but still love that song with his powerful vocals live and was my favorite of the night and was my sister's favorite song of the night even half a step down. Very emotional delivery by Arnel.
Pineda supposedly did all that singing in nightclubs for those years then one tour did in him, huh? I guess that heavy touring schedule with real performance time is lot more exhaustive than hanging out in nightclubs,huh? Maybe Journey should have taken a year off in Perry's second year?
Loved ROR and the guys who played with Perry on FTLOSM. I'll take Perry's Faithfully any day!
by Author2 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:15 pm
Chubby321 wrote:Saint John wrote:Deb wrote:Ya, not quite the word I would've used.
We can play the "if" game till my balls sag to my knees if you'd like.
It would be that long?
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:46 pm
Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:04 pm
Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Then Journey's schedule should be a walk in the park. So two years after keeping that hectic schedule, he now can't perform more than two nights in a row? What gives with that? Why the enormous decline in stamina after only two years? Age? The catalog? Or a combination of both?
Of course its both. My whole thing with this is that if people want to dog on Perry for not having a voice anymore, that day will also come for Pineda and probably sooner than later BECAUSE of all those hours singing in bars in Hong Kong.
) It's mostly in response to some on here acting like he can still sing like he did or tour with Journey now and he should be with Journey now. I have a feeling his voice had something to do with not wanting to tour TBF and never seeing him live all these years. But it's not dogging him. Just in response to those that think Neal and Jon were so mean to not wait forever for something that was never going to happen.by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:11 pm
Jana wrote:Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Then Journey's schedule should be a walk in the park. So two years after keeping that hectic schedule, he now can't perform more than two nights in a row? What gives with that? Why the enormous decline in stamina after only two years? Age? The catalog? Or a combination of both?
Of course its both. My whole thing with this is that if people want to dog on Perry for not having a voice anymore, that day will also come for Pineda and probably sooner than later BECAUSE of all those hours singing in bars in Hong Kong.
Last year people were all over Neal & Co for performing three nights in a row and being greedy without thought to the singer. You must be the only one on here to think it's fine to sing three days in a row on this tour and bringing it up several times that they aren't doing it this year like it's a bad thing. I remember Perry talking about the third day in Texas and how bad it was. Common sense tells you not to make a practice of singing three nights in a row with the Journey catalogue of music since they're doing so many of the big Greatest Hits songs. I don't think most people dog Perry saying he doesn't have a voice at all left on here. (A few probably do
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:14 pm
Gunbot wrote:Jana wrote:Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Then Journey's schedule should be a walk in the park. So two years after keeping that hectic schedule, he now can't perform more than two nights in a row? What gives with that? Why the enormous decline in stamina after only two years? Age? The catalog? Or a combination of both?
Of course its both. My whole thing with this is that if people want to dog on Perry for not having a voice anymore, that day will also come for Pineda and probably sooner than later BECAUSE of all those hours singing in bars in Hong Kong.
Last year people were all over Neal & Co for performing three nights in a row and being greedy without thought to the singer. You must be the only one on here to think it's fine to sing three days in a row on this tour and bringing it up several times that they aren't doing it this year like it's a bad thing. I remember Perry talking about the third day in Texas and how bad it was. Common sense tells you not to make a practice of singing three nights in a row with the Journey catalogue of music since they're doing so many of the big Greatest Hits songs. I don't think most people dog Perry saying he doesn't have a voice at all left on here. (A few probably do
As you can see, I said his age and the catalog are what has to do with the change in schedule. If he could only sing twice a week I wouldn't mind that if he could perform in the correct key. I have always advocated an easier schedule, just not detuning.
by Author2 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:14 pm
Jana wrote:Author2 wrote:Jana wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Exactly. It's not like before the age of 41 he wasn't singing since he was a teen consistently almost every night. Arnel never seemed to struggle at all this year for the most part. He seemed very comfortable and not stressed. And I'm glad Journey recognized they had a real talent with his unbelievably powerful vocal range and not to blow out his voice. They didn't hire a 35-year-old. It was never even mentioned in reviews or by many concert-goers, so it wasn't very noticeable. I never even thought about it in concert except can tell in Faithfully if I think about it, but still love that song with his powerful vocals live and was my favorite of the night and was my sister's favorite song of the night even half a step down. Very emotional delivery by Arnel.
Pineda supposedly did all that singing in nightclubs for those years then one tour did in him, huh? I guess that heavy touring schedule with real performance time is lot more exhaustive than hanging out in nightclubs,huh? Maybe Journey should have taken a year off in Perry's second year?
Loved ROR and the guys who played with Perry on FTLOSM. I'll take Perry's Faithfully any day!
First of all, I said they hired someone in their 40s, who had been singing their whole life, which Gunbot leaves out when mentioning the tune down. It was the age factor to me that causes it. And anyone would love Faithfully by Perry any day. Put me right there at the head of the line. But if you haven't noticed, he hasn't sung that song live since '94, so what's your point? Thank God for Augeri, Deen, and Arnel for carrying on that song live all these years with Neal and Jon still doing such a beautiful job on it for those of us who want to hear Journey music live.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:17 pm
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:18 pm
Jana wrote:Gunbot wrote:Jana wrote:Gunbot wrote:Saint John wrote:Gunbot wrote:How many shows had Perry performed with Journey before that particular tour, 500+? Let's check back with the other singer when/if he gets to that point.
Nostrildamus was a less than 10 year flash in the pan. Let's say he performed 550 shows at 2.5 hours. That's 1,325 hours of singing. Pineda performed 5-6 nights a week, 5 hours a night for almost 6 years straight (which is well over 1,000 hours per year)from the ages of 35-40 in smoky Hong Kong bars singing everything from Journey to Zeppelin to Heart and still did a 70 show tour in the original key at 41. Perry did 2 tours after age 35 and they were both less than stellar. 1985-1986 showcased a guy that butchered the pre-ROR songs because they couldn't tune them down because the ROR songs would have sounded like shit and FTLOSM was tuned down a half step and featured the definitive "cracking of the stone" when he toured with guys that replicated the original music as well as Roy Orbison reading an eye chart.
Then Journey's schedule should be a walk in the park. So two years after keeping that hectic schedule, he now can't perform more than two nights in a row? What gives with that? Why the enormous decline in stamina after only two years? Age? The catalog? Or a combination of both?
Of course its both. My whole thing with this is that if people want to dog on Perry for not having a voice anymore, that day will also come for Pineda and probably sooner than later BECAUSE of all those hours singing in bars in Hong Kong.
Last year people were all over Neal & Co for performing three nights in a row and being greedy without thought to the singer. You must be the only one on here to think it's fine to sing three days in a row on this tour and bringing it up several times that they aren't doing it this year like it's a bad thing. I remember Perry talking about the third day in Texas and how bad it was. Common sense tells you not to make a practice of singing three nights in a row with the Journey catalogue of music since they're doing so many of the big Greatest Hits songs. I don't think most people dog Perry saying he doesn't have a voice at all left on here. (A few probably do
As you can see, I said his age and the catalog are what has to do with the change in schedule. If he could only sing twice a week I wouldn't mind that if he could perform in the correct key. I have always advocated an easier schedule, just not detuning.
they were singing three times a week. And you might not mind it if he goes down to two times a week, but the bottomline would re the tour being a financial success. Detuning will always bother you, so I guess you will never see Journey again - until the next singer.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:20 pm
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:23 pm
Jana wrote:I don't think it's making more money. I think for it to be a financial success being on the road with the crew, bringing all the equipment around, airplane flights, on and on, it wouldn't make sense to do two shows a week. The overhead off the top is too much for such an undertaking in Europe and U.S.
by portland » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:26 pm
Gunbot wrote:Jana wrote:I don't think it's making more money. I think for it to be a financial success being on the road with the crew, bringing all the equipment around, airplane flights, on and on, it wouldn't make sense to do two shows a week. The overhead off the top is too much for such an undertaking in Europe and U.S.
With 18 months off, we'll see if they go back to singing in tune in 2011. Arnel has been singing in tune on Philippine TV nearly every day. He hasn't stopped since the tour ended.
by Jana » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:27 pm
Gunbot wrote:Jana wrote:I don't think it's making more money. I think for it to be a financial success being on the road with the crew, bringing all the equipment around, airplane flights, on and on, it wouldn't make sense to do two shows a week. The overhead off the top is too much for such an undertaking in Europe and U.S.
With 18 months off, we'll see if they go back to singing in tune. Arnel has been singing in tune on Philippine TV nearly every day. He hasn't stopped since the tour ended.
by Don » Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:30 pm
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