Journey and R&R HOF

[steveo777]

I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Not to validate half the trash in the hall, but I truly think the band has soiled any chance at getting in the Rock Hall with the singer carousel. This is not a place for airing the problems and merits of each replacement singer, but it's just so laughable to an objective, outside observer. They probably don't deserve to get in any more.

You would have to choose who would actually be getting inducted. Do you tell Augeri no since he didn't have much record selling success with them but Pineda yes even though he doesn't have the years with the band that S.A. does. Does Ansley get in as a member when they first found success? Do you only put in the Escape/Frontiers line up as that was the most successful or do you add in Rolie or do you not add Greg as he's already in with Santana?

What a cluster fuck.

Augeri and Pineda cannot be inducted anyway. It had to be 25 years after your first release, or your release with a band.

All members included on a release prior to 1984 can be in.

Are you sure? It looks like a gray area to me. It does make sense though and would cut Journey's members list in half. I was trying to calculate if that would have effected Schon going in with Santana but it looks like he would have made the cut off by a year or two if that was the case.

If Arnel doesn't get in, I say no way!

Even as big of an Arnel fan as I am...well, he just hasn't earned the stripes yet. Not enough tenure. Nothing against him or his talent, but that's the reality of it.

[Don]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

[steveo777]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

Ross will still be dead by then.

[Since 78]

I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Not to validate half the trash in the hall, but I truly think the band has soiled any chance at getting in the Rock Hall with the singer carousel. This is not a place for airing the problems and merits of each replacement singer, but it's just so laughable to an objective, outside observer. They probably don't deserve to get in any more.

You would have to choose who would actually be getting inducted. Do you tell Augeri no since he didn't have much record selling success with them but Pineda yes even though he doesn't have the years with the band that S.A. does. Does Ansley get in as a member when they first found success? Do you only put in the Escape/Frontiers line up as that was the most successful or do you add in Rolie or do you not add Greg as he's already in with Santana?

What a cluster fuck.

Augeri and Pineda cannot be inducted anyway. It had to be 25 years after your first release, or your release with a band.

All members included on a release prior to 1984 can be in.

Are you sure? It looks like a gray area to me. It does make sense though and would cut Journey's members list in half. I was trying to calculate if that would have effected Schon going in with Santana but it looks like he would have made the cut off by a year or two if that was the case.

If Arnel doesn't get in, I say no way!

Even as big of an Arnel fan as I am...well, he just hasn't earned the stripes yet. Not enough tenure. Nothing against him or his talent, but that's the reality of it.

I was yokeing

[Don]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

Ross will still be dead by then.

Huh, isn't he already?

[steveo777]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

Ross will still be dead by then.

Huh, isn't he already?

I said STILL

[Ehwmatt]

The saddest thing is that for as much as Rolling Stone and the other rags blasted our MR bands as faceless, corporate rock, many MR bands have fulfilled those criticisms now in the twilights of their careers. Again, without getting into the problems or merits of replacement singers in general, Foreigner, Styx, Survivor, and Journey, the top forums on the list on the biggest Internet site left for this kinda music... what do they all have in common? You tell me...

One thing you can't deny about bands like The Stones and The Beatles, they had a fucking identity that will never be denied, confused, or even lost upon even an average music fan. Part of that identity is part of their swagger and mystique.

Again, no need to get into "Classic Band X" is overrated or debating the merits. It just is what it is in this aspect that is clearly important to a lot of people, and on some level, I see what they are saying. Now. of course inducting hip hop shit and bands that otherwise suck kills their credibility, but still... the tried and true famous rock acts are fucking cultural legends and symbols... the Stones, Zepps, Dylans etc. of the world.

[SherriBerry]

I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Agreed.......it won't happen if he won't show...end of story

Agreed that he won't show, because they would want him to actually perform LIVE. It will never happen.

No, Perry would show, he has to keep up the good guy image.

He'd show. He showed for the Hollywood Walk of Fame, so why not this?

yeah but the inductees normally perform, don't they? So he'd have to perform with Journey...
That might be a bit on an issue?

For an induction into the HoF, I think SP would do it. According to those he has worked with recently, his voice is in good form and it would only be a few songs. I think it would give him the opportunity to perform again with Neal without going back on his word, since it would be for a special performance and not a return to the band. Plus, I just don't believe he would stand for anyone else performing the lead vocals for a ceremony honouring the band's achievements which were reached during his time as a member.

[ScarabGator]

Since 78, I knew you were joking about the arnel in the HOF thing but did you see how these freakin pinheads came out and thought you were serious, actually trying to justify a reason for him to be inducted with Journey...UNBELIEVABLE!!! And damn HILARIOUS!!!!

[ebake02]

As long as Rolling Stone hates journey they will never make it in. The perry thing doesn't really matter, after all, they inducted Van Halen without Diamond Dave being there. Sammy and Michael were the only ones that showed up.

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I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Not to validate half the trash in the hall, but I truly think the band has soiled any chance at getting in the Rock Hall with the singer carousel. This is not a place for airing the problems and merits of each replacement singer, but it's just so laughable to an objective, outside observer. They probably don't deserve to get in any more.

You would have to choose who would actually be getting inducted. Do you tell Augeri no since he didn't have much record selling success with them but Pineda yes even though he doesn't have the years with the band that S.A. does. Does Ansley get in as a member when they first found success? Do you only put in the Escape/Frontiers line up as that was the most successful or do you add in Rolie or do you not add Greg as he's already in with Santana?

What a cluster fuck.

Augeri and Pineda cannot be inducted anyway. It had to be 25 years after your first release, or your release with a band.

All members included on a release prior to 1984 can be in.

The 25 years only counts for the band, not the individual members. Otherwise a lot of people in the hall of fame wouldn't be in there - Hagar in Van Halen, about half of the Eagles, Buckingham and Nicks in Fleetwood Mac, Brian Johnson in AC/DC, etc...

When Metallica got inducted, they put in Robert Trujillo, who at that point they were being voted on, had only done one tour and recorded an album that hadn't been released yet. So if you used the same standards that they did with Metallica, Arnel could get in.

[Don]

I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Not to validate half the trash in the hall, but I truly think the band has soiled any chance at getting in the Rock Hall with the singer carousel. This is not a place for airing the problems and merits of each replacement singer, but it's just so laughable to an objective, outside observer. They probably don't deserve to get in any more.

You would have to choose who would actually be getting inducted. Do you tell Augeri no since he didn't have much record selling success with them but Pineda yes even though he doesn't have the years with the band that S.A. does. Does Ansley get in as a member when they first found success? Do you only put in the Escape/Frontiers line up as that was the most successful or do you add in Rolie or do you not add Greg as he's already in with Santana?

What a cluster fuck.

Augeri and Pineda cannot be inducted anyway. It had to be 25 years after your first release, or your release with a band.

All members included on a release prior to 1984 can be in.

The 25 years only counts for the band, not the individual members. Otherwise a lot of people in the hall of fame wouldn't be in there - Hagar in Van Halen, about half of the Eagles, Buckingham and Nicks in Fleetwood Mac, Brian Johnson in AC/DC, etc...

When Metallica got inducted, they put in Robert Trujillo, who at that point they were being voted on, had only done one tour and recorded an album that hadn't been released yet. So if you used the same standards that they did with Metallica, Arnel could get in.

Well, if they go that route then they should induct a minimum of 12 band members (I didn't include the one's that only did studio work or were used for touring only)
I don't think bands get points for being like Menudo, constantly shuffling members over the years. Maybe that's why Chicago hasn't been inducted. They had I think at least 17 members through the years, selling at least a hundred million albums but still, no love from the HOF.

[annpea]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

Ross will still be dead by then.

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[lights1961]

Another 23 years and all the band members will be eligible. Cool. I guess the band will wait.

Ross will still be dead by then.

I could be dead by then... 23+48... hope not... 71 too young...but god I hope I am not that EXCITED in 2032 that Journey gets in...
that would be just wrong.

Rick

[ChildInTime]

Rolling Stone are freaking hypocrites. So they blast Journey, etc. for being "corporate rock" back in the 80s... then flash forward 20 years... and who's gracing the cover of their magazine? The goddamn Jonas Brothers?!? (That was a recent one, anyway). Right, because they're not a corporate creation AT ALL...

[Since 78]

Since 78, I knew you were joking about the arnel in the HOF thing but did you see how these freakin pinheads came out and thought you were serious, actually trying to justify a reason for him to be inducted with Journey...UNBELIEVABLE!!! And damn HILARIOUS!!!!

Umm yeah....

[Arkansas]

Perhaps this is why Perry has put his next album release off until 2011...?
Think about it. Journey gets in the RRHoF next year and they time new releases on or around the induction.
I wouldn't put it past Journey's record machine at all.

Where's the guy that was swearing we'd see a new Perry album this year? Maybe he knows.



later~

[Glenn]

I think Journey doesn't get into the HOF until they and Perry come to terms. The Hall is all about marketability and if they think Perry will be a no-show at the induction ceremony, I believe the powers that be won't even consider letting the band in.

Not to validate half the trash in the hall, but I truly think the band has soiled any chance at getting in the Rock Hall with the singer carousel. This is not a place for airing the problems and merits of each replacement singer, but it's just so laughable to an objective, outside observer. They probably don't deserve to get in any more.

You would have to choose who would actually be getting inducted. Do you tell Augeri no since he didn't have much record selling success with them but Pineda yes even though he doesn't have the years with the band that S.A. does. Does Ansley get in as a member when they first found success? Do you only put in the Escape/Frontiers line up as that was the most successful or do you add in Rolie or do you not add Greg as he's already in with Santana?

What a cluster fuck.

Augeri and Pineda cannot be inducted anyway. It had to be 25 years after your first release, or your release with a band.

All members included on a release prior to 1984 can be in.

Robert Trujillo made it in with Metallica, along with Newsted and Burton.

Trujillo joined in 2003 and has only played on one release thus far. His first listed recording is from 1989 when he was with Suicidal Tendencies.

[Glenn]

I remember when Van Halen got in and Eddie, Alex, and Dave didn't show.....The 2 former members (Hagar and Anthony) did.

"As the band's Hall of Fame induction drew near, media focus shifted to that. Velvet Revolver would induct the band and speak on their behalf. On March 12, 2007, the band was inducted at a ceremony held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. Anthony and Hagar were the only inductees in attendance (ironically, both ex-members). Velvet Revolver played "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love", and Anthony and Hagar performed "Why Can't This Be Love" with Paul Shaffer."

[wednesday's child]

I remember when Van Halen got in and Eddie, Alex, and Dave didn't show.....The 2 former members (Hagar and Anthony) did.

"As the band's Hall of Fame induction drew near, media focus shifted to that. Velvet Revolver would induct the band and speak on their behalf. On March 12, 2007, the band was inducted at a ceremony held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. Anthony and Hagar were the only inductees in attendance (ironically, both ex-members). Velvet Revolver played "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love", and Anthony and Hagar performed "Why Can't This Be Love" with Paul Shaffer."

Problem's solution is right there.
For zero drama/conflict, only Journey's ex-members should attend,
Perry included...

[portland]

I remember when Van Halen got in and Eddie, Alex, and Dave didn't show.....The 2 former members (Hagar and Anthony) did.

"As the band's Hall of Fame induction drew near, media focus shifted to that. Velvet Revolver would induct the band and speak on their behalf. On March 12, 2007, the band was inducted at a ceremony held at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. Anthony and Hagar were the only inductees in attendance (ironically, both ex-members). Velvet Revolver played "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love", and Anthony and Hagar performed "Why Can't This Be Love" with Paul Shaffer."

Problem's solution is right there.
For zero drama/conflict, only Journey's ex-members should attend,
Perry included...

That's a good one!!

[maverick218]

Journey and the other "80's "corporate" bands won't get in until the powers that be in the HOF are children of the "80's".

[SherriBerry]

The irony about shunning "corporate rock" bands is that Madonna was inducted. She is a pop artist, not a rock artist, and is a corporation unto herself. Everything she did was about image and money, from her quarterly image changes to her book of nude photos and controversial music videos and founding Maverick Records. It wasn't about the music, it was about being rich and famous. She only decided to focus on becoming a music star when she realized how little probability there was in reaching her goals as a dancer. Madonna is significant in pop culture, but inducting her into the HoF while looking down their noses at Journey?

[madsplash]

The irony about shunning "corporate rock" bands is that Madonna was inducted. She is a pop artist, not a rock artist, and is a corporation unto herself. Everything she did was about image and money, from her quarterly image changes to her book of nude photos and controversial music videos and founding Maverick Records. It wasn't about the music, it was about being rich and famous. She only decided to focus on becoming a music star when she realized how little probability there was in reaching her goals as a dancer. Madonna is significant in pop culture, but inducting her into the HoF while looking down their noses at Journey?

Very well said and a great point. I don't give a rat's ass about the RRHOF anymore. It's a complete joke.

[Ftloperry]

BJG is right...when you are inducted into the RNR HOF you have to agree to perform. Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

[ttango1]

Journey has been eligible for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame since 2000, but Gregg Rolie is the only current or former member of Journey who has been inducted — as a member of parent band Santana. Steve Perry, the band's best-known lead vocalist, is eligible for induction as a solo artist as of 2009.

Since it's almost 2010, why no Steve Album...yet?

[steveo777]

Journey has been eligible for induction into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame since 2000, but Gregg Rolie is the only current or former member of Journey who has been inducted — as a member of parent band Santana. Steve Perry, the band's best-known lead vocalist, is eligible for induction as a solo artist as of 2009.

Since it's almost 2010, why no Steve Album...yet?

Probably same reasons for the same question people were asking in 1999. RETIRED Is that so hard to understand?

[Arkansas]

BJG is right...when you are inducted into the RNR HOF you have to agree to perform.

Like The Ramones did?


later~