OT~NCAAF~2009

[lights1961]

The way I see it is...OSU took Florida very "lightly" in that championship game. They figured (incorrectly) that they would "cake walk" their way to the title. They got fat, dumb, and LAZY having just won a unbelievable WAR with Michigan. Troy Smith gained 10 pounds and frankly got a bit too cocky. In retrospect, it was a BIG mistake on OSU's part to not prepare and come ready to play that night. Once Ginn went down on that fluke TD celebration, it was all over. A very BAD night for us Buckeye fans. IF they ever get to play again (realize OSU and Florida have played exactly ONCE)...it will be a different story beleive me. That loss has "haunted" Ohio State and has given them and their reputation a "black eye" beyond what any of us fans could have imagined! However...that night is what it was...no excuses. The "better" team that night one plain and simple.

The LSU debacle was interesting in that Ohio State wasn't even expected to be in the Championship game as it was truly a "rebuilding" year! Somehow, they scraped and clawed (and lucked) their way into that championship game. Anyway, if you go back and look at that game and the stats...it was alot more even than most people seem to want to remember. Sure, LSU's D-line dominated but, the Buckeyes were up by 10 or so early in that game and had a fair amount of success. OSU just made too many STUPID personal foul penalties that sunk their chances that night...really bad plays that gave away any momentum they had. Really dissappointing. But, I contend that they were NOT dominated the way that Florida did the year prior...not even close!

People hate it but, Ohio State is an ELITE team and has been as good as ANYONE over the course of the last 50 years! That's a long run! Watch out next year too...they return alot of players and could be pretty solid.

GO BUCKS beat them DUCKS!!!

I also think the Big 10 for not having a championship game hurts in the long run...as you dont get that EXTRA week of FULL PRACTICE that the other teams do... and that ADDS UP BIG TIME this time of year... the conditioning and GAME readiness is KEY and #1 for championship bowl games... 6 weeks off kills any momentuem going into a bowl game with that much riding on it!!

R

[ScarabGator]

OSU is a fine team with a great history, no doubt. But I dont agree that Florida won that night because the buckeyes just didnt take it seriously. If you arent serious about the National Championship then you have no right being in the game. Maybe thats why the SEC wins those big games, they never fail to take any game serious.
Florida was a very hungry team that year. Urbans philosiphies were beginning to be adhered to. That night Florida would not have been denied to anyone.
Thats not taking anything away from OSU but if that games haunts them and they wish for another shot my contribution to this thread would be this:
"be careful what you wish for because you never know when you might get it..."
With that said I do hope OSU beats Oregon but it will be a tough game and the buckeyes need to be ready for a shootout.

[lights1961]

and I will say the ONE GOOD THING about the BCS..IS with the addition of the super conferences and their conference championship games is this... isntead of college football being REGIONAL it has now become NATIONAL... all the games and teams have more of a national feel... and the games mean more nationally than ever before...thus gaining a national audience... which means more money for all the BCS bowl games...and probably why the DIV 1 teams will never have a playoff...

R

[Tomulator]

OSU has all the athletes it needs to hang with ANYONE in the country...including your beloved Gators. They fear NO TEAM...SEC or not. If the teams had played several times in the modern age and Florida had dominated the series then, I might agree with you about how much better they are than OSU. The fact is, they have played ONCE and Florida was better THAT NIGHT. Let's see them play a few more times and see who wins the most...that's all I'm saying. As a fan, I really do want to see them play again. Kind of like the USC game this year...after getting blown out last year, OSU more than held their own with the Trojans...shoulda coulda woulda won that game!

Back to the title game. All the pundits that year (what do they know?) had OSU winning that game. Florida was not given much of a chance and they used that as major motivation. There was even talk that OSU vs. Michigan should have a rematch for the Nat'l Championship...that's just the way it was. You have to understand how LOADED OSU was that year. Talent all over the place...and quite frankly, after they beat Michigan, they got way too full of themselves. Couple that with Florida using the "disrespected" card to their advantage and it was "lights out" for my Buckeyes. Believe me, I watched them all year that year and the team that showed up for that game vs. Florida was NOT the team that played Michigan the last game of the year! They were fat, slow, and uninspired. I hated that night.

By the way, Urban Meyer may be a good coach and all but, IMO, he knows NOTHING about being a good sport when he wins. I recall distinctly that he gave OSU virtually NO credit at all after beating them that night. Didn't even mention them for the most part. If the tables had been turned, I guarantee you Tress would have given credit to his opponent the very FIRST thing in the post-game interviews. It's one of MANY differences between the two.

[ScarabGator]

Tom, its a "you say tomato, I say to-mah-toe" discussion. I wouldnt expect you or any other fan to feel any different about your team. I know the Buckeye Nation is loud and proud as they should be.

[Enigma869]

Nice of Florida to show up today. Fuck, this looks like the Patriots' performance against the Saints last week

[Glenn]

Looks like Florida may play Cincy in the Sugar Bowl.

'Bama won this game from the opening play.

[Saint John]

Florida has never had an undefeated championship season so I didn't think this year was going to be the first. Tonight exposed their fraudulent national championship season last year. All they won last year was a popularity contest. Utah destroyed Alabama last year and was miles better than Florida (the team that lost at home to a mediocre club), but no one voted for Utah because they're...Utah.

[Tomulator]

I for one hope Florida destroys Cinti. if they play. Just to shut the Bearcat fans up...they are one obnoxious group!

Just sayin...

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I for one hope Florida destroys Cinti. if they play. Just to shut the Bearcat fans up...they are one obnoxious group!

Cincinnati's defense is pathetic. They'd get steamrolled by Florida. The just hope to win a shootout each week.

[Tomulator]

I for one hope Florida destroys Cinti. if they play. Just to shut the Bearcat fans up...they are one obnoxious group!

Cincinnati's defense is pathetic. They'd get steamrolled by Florida. The just hope to win a shootout each week.

I still think the Illini got "jobbed" by poor ref calls last week when they lost at Cincy. Bad calls cost them exactly 11 points...the margin Cincy won by!

Good grief!

[lights1961]

TEBOW has peaked!! but he had a great ride... glad the GATORS got whooped...BAMA was the more ready team and the hungrier team... I was not able to see TEXAS and NEBRASKA... but glad Texas won, even if its a squeaker...

[Tomulator]

TEBOW has peaked!! but he had a great ride... glad the GATORS got whooped...BAMA was the more ready team and the hungrier team... I was not able to see TEXAS and NEBRASKA... but glad Texas won, even if its a squeaker...

Bama played awesome...no doubt! However, they need to watch themselves and not lose their "edge"! Especially, if there is a Heisman trophy winner in their future...

As I mention above, Ohio State (the year Troy Smith won the Heisman) played a very emotional, physical battle with Michigan (#1 vs. #2 eerily similar to Florida vs. Bama this year) and decided that that was their "toughest" game and that they could more or less "show up" and beat the Gators. We all saw the debacle that followed for the Buckeyes. They are still trying to recover from the fallout of that amazingly poor performance and thorough BUTT-WHOOPING!!

Bama better keep the "Eye of the Tiger"!

[Red13JoePa]

TEBOW has peaked!! but he had a great ride... glad the GATORS got whooped...BAMA was the more ready team and the hungrier team... I was not able to see TEXAS and NEBRASKA... but glad Texas won, even if its a squeaker...

Bama played awesome...no doubt! However, they need to watch themselves and not lose their "edge"! Especially, if there is a Heisman trophy winner in their future...

As I mention above, Ohio State (the year Troy Smith won the Heisman) played a very emotional, physical battle with Michigan (#1 vs. #2 eerily similar to Florida vs. Bama this year) and decided that that was their "toughest" game and that they could more or less "show up" and beat the Gators. We all saw the debacle that followed for the Buckeyes. They are still trying to recover from the fallout of that amazingly poor performance and thorough BUTT-WHOOPING!!

Bama better keep the "Eye of the Tiger"!

Sounds like so much sour grapes but IF true then The Vest should've been Charlie Weissed the next day.
How do you take the MNC game lightly.

I'm worried about The Buckeye's in the Rosebowl, too. The defense's matchup w/ Oregon is really intriguing but I DON'T trust Lebron In Cleats and his arm punts in big spots at ALL.
The defense had better not leave it up to him.

[AlteredDNA]

TEBOW has peaked!! but he had a great ride... glad the GATORS got whooped...BAMA was the more ready team and the hungrier team... I was not able to see TEXAS and NEBRASKA... but glad Texas won, even if its a squeaker...

Bama played awesome...no doubt! However, they need to watch themselves and not lose their "edge"! Especially, if there is a Heisman trophy winner in their future...

As I mention above, Ohio State (the year Troy Smith won the Heisman) played a very emotional, physical battle with Michigan (#1 vs. #2 eerily similar to Florida vs. Bama this year) and decided that that was their "toughest" game and that they could more or less "show up" and beat the Gators. We all saw the debacle that followed for the Buckeyes. They are still trying to recover from the fallout of that amazingly poor performance and thorough BUTT-WHOOPING!!

Bama better keep the "Eye of the Tiger"!

Sounds like so much sour grapes but IF true then The Vest should've been Charlie Weissed the next day.
How do you take the MNC lightly.

I'm worried about The Buckeye's in the Rosebowl, too. The defense's matchup w/ Oregon is really intriguing but I DON'T trust Lebron In Cleats and his arm punts in big spots at ALL.
The defense had better not leave it up to him.

Any predictions for the Capital One Bowl?

[Red13JoePa]

Could be an epic failure by Penn St.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Iowa CLEARY drew the easier opponent than Penn St.
Big opportunity for the Big11 should PSU pull it off, though.

[lights1961]

Could be an epic failure by Penn St.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Iowa CLEARY drew the easier opponent than Penn St.
Big opportunity for the Big11 should PSU pull it off, though.

I would LOVE TO SEE IOWA's DEFENSE everyone heatlthy going against FLORIDA... Not sure how they will match up with Gerorgia Tech...
should be interesting bowl series this year... the dumbest thing is having TCU playing Boise State... yawner...

[Tomulator]

TEBOW has peaked!! but he had a great ride... glad the GATORS got whooped...BAMA was the more ready team and the hungrier team... I was not able to see TEXAS and NEBRASKA... but glad Texas won, even if its a squeaker...

Bama played awesome...no doubt! However, they need to watch themselves and not lose their "edge"! Especially, if there is a Heisman trophy winner in their future...

As I mention above, Ohio State (the year Troy Smith won the Heisman) played a very emotional, physical battle with Michigan (#1 vs. #2 eerily similar to Florida vs. Bama this year) and decided that that was their "toughest" game and that they could more or less "show up" and beat the Gators. We all saw the debacle that followed for the Buckeyes. They are still trying to recover from the fallout of that amazingly poor performance and thorough BUTT-WHOOPING!!

Bama better keep the "Eye of the Tiger"!

Sounds like so much sour grapes but IF true then The Vest should've been Charlie Weissed the next day.
How do you take the MNC game lightly.

I'm worried about The Buckeye's in the Rosebowl, too. The defense's matchup w/ Oregon is really intriguing but I DON'T trust Lebron In Cleats and his arm punts in big spots at ALL.
The defense had better not leave it up to him.

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

The "Vest" can't be on the field playing for these kids...they have to take pride enough to show up for these games.

[Red13JoePa]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

[Tomulator]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

Typical Penn State fan response.

It IS HORRIBLE that OSU was so outmanned that night and outhustled, and outplayed! I as a fan was OUTRAGED because I know in my heart of hearts that team could easily compete with Florida if they had their heads on straight. They let alot of people down that night. Not trying to take anything away from Florida...they were awesome that nigth...just as OSU should have been!


PS Seems to me YOU are the one who is discounting Ohio State's win against Michigan that year! They won fair and square and were the "better" team. BTW, they were and ARE better than BOTH "State Penn" and Michigan! Scores (multiple years) don't lie.

GO BUCKEYES!

[Michigan Girl]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

Typical Penn State fan response.



PS Seems to me YOU are discounting Ohio State's win against Michigan that year! They won fair and square and were the "better" team. BTW, they were and ARE better than BOTH "State Penn" and Michigan! Scores (multiple years) don't lie.

GO BUCKEYES!

Are you trying to get under my skin, Buckeye?!?!

[Tomulator]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

Typical Penn State fan response.



PS Seems to me YOU are discounting Ohio State's win against Michigan that year! They won fair and square and were the "better" team. BTW, they were and ARE better than BOTH "State Penn" and Michigan! Scores (multiple years) don't lie.

GO BUCKEYES!

Are you trying to get under my skin, Buckeye?!?!

Is it working?

[Saint John]

But I dont agree that Florida won that night because the buckeyes just didnt take it seriously. If you arent serious about the National Championship then you have no right being in the game.

Aren't you the same guy not giving all that much credit to Alabama because Florida came out "flat" Saturday? I find it hard to believe that Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow didn't have those guys ready to play for the SEC championship game and a spot in the National Championship! Say this and you'll feel better, Gator: "The 2009 Alabama Crimson Tide are a much better football team than the Florida Gators."

[Michigan Girl]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

Typical Penn State fan response.



PS Seems to me YOU are discounting Ohio State's win against Michigan that year! They won fair and square and were the "better" team. BTW, they were and ARE better than BOTH "State Penn" and Michigan! Scores (multiple years) don't lie.

GO BUCKEYES!

Are you trying to get under my skin, Buckeye?!?!

Is it working?

Naww, the truth hurts...for about 15 minutes!!

[7 Wishes]

Texas does NOT belong in the title game. They were given a game they lost, and I really don't give two rat's asses about college football. But I hate to see Cincinnati lose out on a rightful shot at a title game after a sham like that.

[Saint John]

Texas does NOT belong in the title game. They were given a game they lost, and I really don't give two rat's asses about college football. But I hate to see Cincinnati lose out on a rightful shot at a title game after a sham like that.

Texas isn't even the best team in their state! TCU would whoop 'em. It's a fucking shame that another team is going to go undefeated (Boise St. or TCU) and win...nothing.

[Tomulator]

"Sour grapes" eh? OK, fair enough. Let me ask you a couple of questions...did you watch all of OSU's games that year? Did you think they looked like the same team the night they played Florida as the night they beat Michigan?

I think Michigan was the better team in '06 and had Woodley or Crable (can't remember) not taken that questionable late hit penalty on Troy Smith it could very well have been Michigan and Florida.
No, ohio St DIDN'T look the same in the MNC game as they did in The Big Game but you can't discount every result you don't like because your team didn't play its optimum game. Hell were that the case, I'd minimize OSU victory in Happy Valley this year but I realize the Bucks came in there and beat Penn St at its own game fair and square wether or NOT they had their A+ game on.
I say Florida had something to do w/ OSU's performance that night, and even if they didn;t and it was like you claim all OSU resting on its laurels and trying to phone in a win the title game that THAT'S horrible!

Typical Penn State fan response.



PS Seems to me YOU are discounting Ohio State's win against Michigan that year! They won fair and square and were the "better" team. BTW, they were and ARE better than BOTH "State Penn" and Michigan! Scores (multiple years) don't lie.

GO BUCKEYES!

Are you trying to get under my skin, Buckeye?!?!

Is it working?

Naww, the truth hurts...for about 15 minutes!!

MG...you're the BEST sport I know!

[ScarabGator]

But I dont agree that Florida won that night because the buckeyes just didnt take it seriously. If you arent serious about the National Championship then you have no right being in the game.

Aren't you the same guy not giving all that much credit to Alabama because Florida came out "flat" Saturday? I find it hard to believe that Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow didn't have those guys ready to play for the SEC championship game and a spot in the National Championship! Say this and you'll feel better, Gator: "The 2009 Alabama Crimson Tide are a much better football team than the Florida Gators."

For some reason anything to do with me or the Gators seems to be giving you a hard on lately.....are you a closet Gator fan??? Or are you coming out of the closet as a "Gator Tim" fan???

[Red13JoePa]

"State Penn"

Clever, IF a bit hypocritical coming from a sofa-burning, car-tipping O$U fan.

Tomo, have you ever READ that ESPN Clarett story???

Booster Handout State has more car dealership owners and restaurantuers giving recruits and players cash, cars and perks then Tressel has sweatervests hanging in his closet.

Just the do the conference a favor for a change and win that bowl game, will ya?

[Ehwmatt]

"State Penn"

Clever, IF a bit hypocritical coming from a sofa-burning, car-tipping O$U fan.

Tomo, have you ever READ that ESPN Clarett story???

Booster Handout State has more car dealership owners and restaurantuers giving recruits and players cash, cars and perks then Tressel has sweatervests hanging in his closet.

Just the do the conference a favor for a change and win that bowl game, will ya?

lol, you two need to get into a great battle here.. great stuff so far