OFFICIAL NFL Week by Week Thread:

[YoungJRNY]

What happened to unleashing hell in December?

They've unleashed it...on their fans

They can suffer a little bit with two SBs in four years. I had to fuckin go through both of those while I was in veritable Steeler country. Terrible

Yes, what could make a Steelers fan suffer more than losing to the stinking BROWNS BUT the Steelers will make it to their next SB before the Browns will even make it to the playoffs, so you will still ultimately be the ones suffering But I guess you deserve at least a day to gloat

We'll see about that... the heart and soul of the Steelers team, Worthlessberger aside, is getting a lot older - Ward, Harrison, and Polamalu are no spring chickens any more. Parker is old too but he's a non-factor at this point I guess, so nevermind him... Holmes and Mendenhall are decent offensive pieces to build around. The defense is getting exposed this year much the smae way the Ravens once stalwart D is

While I don't expect them to become anything near as bad as the Browns have been, I do think that the law of averages needs to kick in and have us finally succeed in a draft here... we have to start going up at some point. This has been a really bad year for the AFC North overall. The Bengals looked impressive through the first half but they've been dreadful the last four or five weeks. I hope they can pick it up offensively and represent in the playoffs.

Hey now...4 and 1 in the last 5 weeks is looking pretty good compared to the Stealers who are 0 and 5. That is dreadful, and I might add really fun to watch. Oakland, KC and the Brownies,,loss, losss, loss. I'm lovin' it, almost as much as I love this headline from bengals.com thia a.m.

Steelers eliminated from North race

GEOFF HOBSON

Posted Dec 10, 2009

Posted: 11:50 p.m.

Thursday night proved to be one of those rare moments in Bengaldom when the populace saluted the Cleveland Browns for their 13-6 victory over the reeling Steelers in the ice box on Lake Erie.

It was Pittsburgh's fifth straight loss and dropped the Steelers to 6-7, eliminating them from the race for the AFC North title with three games left. The next Bengals victory or Ravens loss gives the Bengals their second division title in five seasons. Baltimore, 6-6, hosts Detroit on Sunday at 1 p.m., as the Bengals play in Minnesota.

Lather, rinse,repeat...

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The Bungholes better stop worrying about the Steelers and focus on their dwindling playoff team that is probably going to get bitch slapped in the first round. While you focus so much on a AFC North Division Championship, take a look at this comparison:

Steelers Championship rings


Bengals Championship rings

[YoungJRNY]

As far as offense is concerned, I believe we'd be fine once we get rid of that CLEVELAND REJECT in Bruce Arians who completely throws an overload of talent down the shitter.

"Overload of talent"

Aside from Worthlessberger and Holmes, there is no overload of talent. Heath Miller is decent, Hines Ward is good but he's no Moss or TO, and Mendenhall is a marginally decent RB on his best day. Offensive line blows ass too. Hell, the Browns of a couple years ago circa KW2 and Braylon before the dropsies had a shitload more offensive talent than the Steelers.

I disagree. They have TREMENDOUS talent and if we can get an offensive coordinator in there to play around our strength's rather than put ourselves in position to lose, then we we can make noise and top the charts offensively. Believe it or not, the Steelers I believe ranked 4th in the NFL in total offense but since last night, dropped to 9th. Not bad for an offense that's handcuffed by TERRIBLE play calling and situation. Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer. Heath Miller is a Jason Witten type and should be a pro bowl player. Mike Wallace has emerged as a rookie and is a speed burner and will only get better with Ben as time goes on. If someway, somehow, the Steelers fix up their offensive line woes, then they have the talent in place to light it up, and they have indeed showed glimpses of it this year. It's a work in progress but we're going to get there, watch it.

[Enigma869]

Hines is having his best year in the NFL

Dude...where do you seriously come up with this made-up shit? Listen, you know how I feel about Ward. He's a middle of the road guy and hasn't been a dominant receiver at ANY point during his entire career. He's a goofy fuck who always has his fake smile on, while hitting guys in the back. All that said, in 2002, he had 1329 yards (which he will not have this season). He had 112 catches (which he will not have this season), and he had 12 touchdowns (which he won't be remotely close to this season...I believe he has half of that). I'm not sure how this qualifies as "his best year in the NFL", but you seriously need to put your blowup Hines doll away, because this fantasy is old. Plaxico Burress was a better receiver than Ward when he played there and Santonio Holmes is better than he is now. The reality is that Ward has rarely been the best receiver on his own team, let alone a top NFL receiver!

Health is important to ANY football team it's just unfortunate that the Steelers have been dealing with it all season, esp to it's key starters that are game changers.

It's the NFL...guys get hurt. If the guy who was not playing was Roethlisberger, then I would at least listen to the argument. Troy Polamalu has absolutely NOTHING to do with why the Shitsburgh offense couldn't score a freakin' TD against a defense that is ranked 30th in the entire NFL. The Steelers SUCK, period, end of story. The Patriots suck and you don't see me making excuses, and they have more guys hurt than the Steelers have hurt. I've simply accepted that this isn't their year, and moved on to watching the good teams in the NFL. Go root for the Penguins and hope that perhaps someone in the country will even notice that there is an alleged MLB team who plays in that city

[Frontiers65]

Originally Posted by LA Times
One game into the 2009 season -- a disheartening home loss to San Francisco -- and the Arizona Cardinals were finished, history, kaput.

Or so most of us thought.

After all, eight of the previous 10 Super Bowl losers had missed the playoffs the following season -- and why would the Cardinals be any different? Besides, the last time they made the postseason, in 1998, they promptly tumbled off the table the next fall.

So nobody could really argue with Fox's Jimmy Johnson when, during the Week 2 pregame show, he said the Cardinals were toast.

"I know it's just one game, but stick a **** in them, they're done," he said at the time. "They lost a couple outstanding coordinators. They've got disgruntled receivers and a quarterback that's just a couple years younger than me and he's hurt. With their schedule, it'll be tough for them to win three games by midseason."

That's not to pick on Johnson, who has a Super Bowl ring for each hand. Heaven knows we've all made predictions that have blown up in our faces (See: weekly picks, Farmer). He merely put to words what just about everyone was thinking, that the Cardinals would fade to black.

Of course, they've done nothing of the sort. The Cardinals (8-4) have won four of five, and can clinch the NFC West with a victory Monday at San Francisco. Most remarkable, quarterback Kurt Warner has registered a 120-plus passer rating in each of his last four starts. Only Johnny Unitas in 1965 has equaled that feat, and nobody has strung together five such outings in a row.

We should have known it would be Warner who would sidestep the Super Bowl hangover, a player who has pulled off the improbable, the unlikely, the downright unbelievable throughout his career.

"I understand why everybody was looking for us to collapse, waiting for it," Warner said Thursday in a phone interview. "We hadn't done anything. We were a 9-7 team [last season] that was very inconsistent, that got on a roll at the right time and played some great football. We had some talent, but we've had some talent here for a long time. The biggest question has always been consistency."

By the end of the 2008 regular season, the Cardinals were as flawed as any playoff team in history. They were 0-5 on the East Coast. They had the league's worst running game. They had dropped four of their last six games -- including a couple of December debacles: a 35-14 loss to Minnesota, and a 47-7 humiliation at New England.

Then, as we all saw, the Cardinals got hot in the playoffs, located that consistency they had been searching for, knocked off three opponents, and came within two minutes of beating Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl.

This year, Arizona is a far more balanced and multi-dimensional team. The Cardinals have an excellent passing game, of course, but also an improved ground attack, and an offensive line and defense that played remarkably well in Sunday night's unexpected 30-17 thrashing of Minnesota.

The Vikings, who lead the NFL with 40 sacks, were shut out in that department against the Cardinals, even though Arizona had a backup left tackle making his first career start at that position. The Cardinals' defense, meanwhile, sacked Brett Favre three times and forced him into two interceptions.

"We're playing more complete football now than we did at any time last year," Warner said. "We played at a pretty high level in that playoff run, but I feel like we've been doing that a lot more this year than we did last year. And that's what excites you.

"When we put it together and play, we can play with anybody."

Should we really be startled that Warner has put the Cardinals in this position? A player who during the course of his career directed two franchises -- St. Louis, then Arizona -- from the scrap heap to the Super Bowl?

Should we be surprised that his knees didn't wobble at the reminder of a long-standing Super Bowl jinx?

Warner isn't the type to believe in jinxes.

If he did -- as Cardinals media relations man Mark Dalton astutely points out -- why in the world would he wear the jersey he does?

No. 13.

[Enigma869]

Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer.

Bragging about 1000 yards for a running back or a receiver is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to brag that Santonio Holmes has the most receiving yards in the NFL right now (which he won't after Sunday), that's a different story. 1000 yards over a 16 game season (and yes, I know there are three games left, but the point is still the same) is a whopping 62 yards a game. Not much of an accomplishment, in my opinion.

[Ehwmatt]

Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer.

Bragging about 1000 yards for a running back or a receiver is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to brag that Santonio Holmes has the most receiving yards in the NFL right now (which he won't after Sunday), that's a different story. 1000 yards over a 16 game season (and yes, I know there are three games left, but the point is still the same) is a whopping 62 yards a game. Not much of an accomplishment, in my opinion.

Like I said, marginally decent players at best. One thing that's great about most Cleveland fans having suffered through disappointments and mediocrity and outright terribleness in various shades is that most of us have an objective bone in our body. Hell, even w/ LeBron, you don't see me running around saying he's the best player in the universe when the only thing he's won in his career is worldwide notoriety. Just admit it Travis, aside from Holmes, Worthlessberger, and maybe Miller they aren't that great offensively.

Now, will someone please photoshop Hines's goofy smiling mug onto a blow-up doll and post it here?

[YoungJRNY]

Hines is having his best year in the NFL

Dude...where do you seriously come up with this made-up shit? Listen, you know how I feel about Ward. He's a middle of the road guy and hasn't been a dominant receiver at ANY point during his entire career. He's a goofy fuck who always has his fake smile on, while hitting guys in the back. All that said, in 2002, he had 1329 yards (which he will not have this season). He had 112 catches (which he will not have this season), and he had 12 touchdowns (which he won't be remotely close to this season...I believe he has half of that). I'm not sure how this qualifies as "his best year in the NFL", but you seriously need to put your blowup Hines doll away, because this fantasy is old. Plaxico Burress was a better receiver than Ward when he played there and Santonio Holmes is better than he is now. The reality is that Ward has rarely been the best receiver on his own team, let alone a top NFL receiver!

Health is important to ANY football team it's just unfortunate that the Steelers have been dealing with it all season, esp to it's key starters that are game changers.

It's the NFL...guys get hurt. If the guy who was not playing was Roethlisberger, then I would at least listen to the argument. Troy Polamalu has absolutely NOTHING to do with why the Shitsburgh offense couldn't score a freakin' TD against a defense that is ranked 30th in the entire NFL. The Steelers SUCK, period, end of story. The Patriots suck and you don't see me making excuses, and they have more guys hurt than the Steelers have hurt. I've simply accepted that this isn't their year, and moved on to watching the good teams in the NFL. Go root for the Penguins and hope that perhaps someone in the country will even notice that there is an alleged MLB team who plays in that city

No one asked you, but I'm not making any excuses. The Steelers flat out STINK this season, I get that, have came to that conclusion awhile ago this season. Hines was certainly on pace for his best year in the NFL and still has a shot at his age to go out there and perform at a high level and I STILL think this was one of his best seasons, regardless of what the stats say. Hines, all 33 slow years of him tore it up to start the year even though he is NOT even the #1 receiver on the team and is still one of the best overall receiver in the game, and that includes route running, blocking, and yards after the catch. Lets just say that your opinion is not the only opinion and doesn't set the standard. Hines was picked for Peter King's all decade team at receiver, which goes against anything you've ever said and goes to show not everyone thinks like you.

[YoungJRNY]

Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer.

Bragging about 1000 yards for a running back or a receiver is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to brag that Santonio Holmes has the most receiving yards in the NFL right now (which he won't after Sunday), that's a different story. 1000 yards over a 16 game season (and yes, I know there are three games left, but the point is still the same) is a whopping 62 yards a game. Not much of an accomplishment, in my opinion.

Not bragging whatsoever, just the norm in the NFL and deserves kudo's, esp a team that shrives to have a balanced attack as far as game planning is concerned. Point is, the Steelers have talent to build on and could be a force if they play their cards right. And I've admitted it time and time again, the Steelers aren't anywhere near where they want to be offensively and is far away from being the dominant team I want them to be, but they are getting close and glimpse's have shown that. I'm optimistic for the future.

[Enigma869]

I STILL think this was one of his best seasons, regardless of what the stats say.

You're right. The stats don't matter. I'm wrong. Even though it won't be one of his top 3 seasons, statistically, because you think it was one of his best seasons and admire his dental work, it must indeed be one of the greatest seasons an NFL receiver has ever put together. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

Hines was picked for Peter King's all decade team at receiver, which goes against anything you've ever said and goes to show not everyone thinks like you.

Honestly, I could care less who thinks like me or who doesn't. Regardless of what Peter King says, Hines Ward is a very average NFL receiver and always has been. I can tell you this without hesitation...If Ward played his entire career with Cleveland (or any other losing team), nobody would ever mention the guy's name!

[YoungJRNY]

I STILL think this was one of his best seasons, regardless of what the stats say.

You're right. The stats don't matter. I'm wrong. Even though it won't be one of his top 3 seasons, statistically, because you think it was one of his best seasons and admire his dental work, it must indeed be one of the greatest seasons an NFL receiver has ever put together. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.

Hines was picked for Peter King's all decade team at receiver, which goes against anything you've ever said and goes to show not everyone thinks like you.

Honestly, I could care less who thinks like me or who doesn't. Regardless of what Peter King says, Hines Ward is a very average NFL receiver and always has been. I can tell you this without hesitation...If Ward played his entire career with Cleveland (or any other losing team), nobody would ever mention the guy's name!

Uhhh, okay.

[Enigma869]

just the norm in the NFL and deserves kudo's

No it doesn't. As I said, if you do the math, it's 62 yards a game. How the hell can you not get 62 yards if you're out there the whole game and your team is getting you the ball? 1000 yards over a 16 game season is nothing that anyone deserves "kudos" for. If the NFL still played a 12 game season, I'd listen to the praise.

[YoungJRNY]

Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer.

Bragging about 1000 yards for a running back or a receiver is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to brag that Santonio Holmes has the most receiving yards in the NFL right now (which he won't after Sunday), that's a different story. 1000 yards over a 16 game season (and yes, I know there are three games left, but the point is still the same) is a whopping 62 yards a game. Not much of an accomplishment, in my opinion.

Like I said, marginally decent players at best. One thing that's great about most Cleveland fans having suffered through disappointments and mediocrity and outright terribleness in various shades is that most of us have an objective bone in our body. Hell, even w/ LeBron, you don't see me running around saying he's the best player in the universe when the only thing he's won in his career is worldwide notoriety. Just admit it Travis, aside from Holmes, Worthlessberger, and maybe Miller they aren't that great offensively.

Now, will someone please photoshop Hines's goofy smiling mug onto a blow-up doll and post it here?

Cleveland Browns fans are the most worthless fans to ever grace a football stadium. Some may still have passion, but they are true pieces of shit and anywhere you turn, the majority agrees.

[YoungJRNY]

just the norm in the NFL and deserves kudo's

No it doesn't. As I said, if you do the math, it's 62 yards a game. How the hell can you not get 62 yards if you're out there the whole game and your team is getting you the ball? 1000 yards over a 16 game season is nothing that anyone deserves "kudos" for. If the NFL still played a 12 game season, I'd listen to the praise.

When talking pro-bowl, and stats, the first thing mentioned on any sportscast is if that receiver or running back broke the 1,000 yard barrier and is still held to high kudo's in the league. With today's more passing element offense's and more teams taking it through the air, maybe it's changed and that a quarterback is measured for 3,000 yard performances, but breaking 1,000 yards for a back or receiver is still note worthy.

[YoungJRNY]

Mendenhall rushed for over 1,000 yards this season, Holmes passed the 1,000 yard mark, and Hines is on his way to 1,000 with 943 yards receiving, and Ben is a 3,000 yard passer.

Bragging about 1000 yards for a running back or a receiver is just plain stupid. Now, if you want to brag that Santonio Holmes has the most receiving yards in the NFL right now (which he won't after Sunday), that's a different story. 1000 yards over a 16 game season (and yes, I know there are three games left, but the point is still the same) is a whopping 62 yards a game. Not much of an accomplishment, in my opinion.

Like I said, marginally decent players at best. One thing that's great about most Cleveland fans having suffered through disappointments and mediocrity and outright terribleness in various shades is that most of us have an objective bone in our body. Hell, even w/ LeBron, you don't see me running around saying he's the best player in the universe when the only thing he's won in his career is worldwide notoriety. Just admit it Travis, aside from Holmes, Worthlessberger, and maybe Miller they aren't that great offensively.

Now, will someone please photoshop Hines's goofy smiling mug onto a blow-up doll and post it here?

Why? That would excite you, huh? I know it would excite the Browns vaunted QB, Brady Quinn.

[Ehwmatt]

just the norm in the NFL and deserves kudo's

No it doesn't. As I said, if you do the math, it's 62 yards a game. How the hell can you not get 62 yards if you're out there the whole game and your team is getting you the ball? 1000 yards over a 16 game season is nothing that anyone deserves "kudos" for. If the NFL still played a 12 game season, I'd listen to the praise.

How can you not get 62/game? For starters, you have to be named Jamal Lewis...

[Ehwmatt]

LOL, I won't deny there is some hilarious clientele that are among the Dawg Pound faithful. It's really not as bad as it used to be though because there's just been nothing to get riled up about... couple that with the expensive cost of it all and the tighter stadium rules and it's nothing like it used to be.

Pittsburgh fans aren't as rowdy... more obnoxious in a frat boy gettin drunk for the first time with his "brothers" kinda way.

Hilarious pictures of the dream boy BQ.

[YoungJRNY]

just the norm in the NFL and deserves kudo's

No it doesn't. As I said, if you do the math, it's 62 yards a game. How the hell can you not get 62 yards if you're out there the whole game and your team is getting you the ball? 1000 yards over a 16 game season is nothing that anyone deserves "kudos" for. If the NFL still played a 12 game season, I'd listen to the praise.

How can you not get 62/game? For starters, you have to be named Jamal Lewis...

That's a shame what happened to him and he had to go to Cleveland to die. I FEARED Lewis every time we played Balty back in the day. In theory of Johns way of thinking & besides the 2003 season, even though Lewis wasn't the great Barry Sanders and didn't have near the stats or agility of Sanders, he sure as HELL was a great football player that put fear in a defense.

[Enigma869]

When talking pro-bowl, and stats, the first thing mentioned on any sportscast is if that receiver or running back broke the 1,000 yard barrier and is still held to high kudo's in the league. With today's more passing element offense's and more teams taking it through the air, maybe it's changed and that a quarterback is measured for 3,000 yard performances, but breaking 1,000 yards for a back or receiver is still note worthy.

I could care less what some toothless jackoff on a sportscast says. It doesn't change the math no matter how much you want to keep telling me what an amazing accomplishment 62 yards a game is! I'm well aware of the fact that moronic, alleged "sports experts" talk about a 1000 yard season like it's the most amazing thing ever. The truth of the matter is that EVERY team's top receiver should be able to average 60 yards per game, EVERY game in the NFL. Chris Johnson's 126 yards per game and 6.2 yards this season is VERY impressive and those are the numbers that I take notice of...not some guy doing what everyone should be doing.

[YoungJRNY]

When talking pro-bowl, and stats, the first thing mentioned on any sportscast is if that receiver or running back broke the 1,000 yard barrier and is still held to high kudo's in the league. With today's more passing element offense's and more teams taking it through the air, maybe it's changed and that a quarterback is measured for 3,000 yard performances, but breaking 1,000 yards for a back or receiver is still note worthy.

I could care less what some toothless jackoff on a sportscast says. It doesn't change the math no matter how much you want to keep telling me what an amazing accomplishment 62 yards a game is! I'm well aware of the fact that moronic, alleged "sports experts" talk about a 1000 yard season like it's the most amazing thing ever. The truth of the matter is that EVERY team's top receiver should be able to average 60 yards per game, EVERY game in the NFL. Chris Johnson's 126 yards per game and 6.2 yards this season is VERY impressive and those are the numbers that I take notice of...not some guy doing what everyone should be doing.

I know you could care less, you only believe in your own jibber jabber and that's cool. It's your opinion. You can't argue one's opinion. News Flash: Not every team plays the same game, team or is in the same situation. The NFL is a flowed game and sometimes things change to where you either have to A.) abandoned the run/pass or B.) use the game plan that works best in beating a football team. Not everything is going to go according to plan, and things happen to where that "some guy doing what everyone should be doing" sometimes can never take place, and it always doesn't work of "only getting 62 yards per game." Performances vary and these guys should be credited for their stats. It's hard earned.

[Enigma869]

In theory of Johns way of thinking & besides the 2003 season, even though Lewis wasn't the great Barry Sanders and didn't have near the stats or agility of Sanders, he sure as HELL was a great football player that put fear in a defense.

Stop throwing around the word "great" so liberally. Lewis wasn't close to "great". He had one great season and a handful of good seasons. The reality is that the guy was an "All-Pro" only once in his entire career, and that's about right. He hasn't been much of a factor in the past couple of seasons, and oh by the way, had 1000 yards rushing last season, which once again proves my point that it's not much of an accomplishment!

[YoungJRNY]

In theory of Johns way of thinking & besides the 2003 season, even though Lewis wasn't the great Barry Sanders and didn't have near the stats or agility of Sanders, he sure as HELL was a great football player that put fear in a defense.

Stop throwing around the word "great" so liberally. Lewis wasn't close to "great". He had one great season and a handful of good seasons. The reality is that the guy was an "All-Pro" only once in his entire career, and that's about right. He hasn't been much of a factor in the past couple of seasons, and oh by the way, had 1000 yards rushing last season, which once again proves my point that it's not much of an accomplishment!

It's a common theme for you. Is it REALLY that hard to give credit to anybody outside of the Patriots organization? [/sarcasm] Holy shit you're a broken record. Lewis was a great running back, end of story and I don't give a shit what you say. Your entitled to your opinions but you fail to give players their worth only because of stats and fail to watch them as a player and what they do on the field. Stats aren't everything dammit!

[Ehwmatt]

In theory of Johns way of thinking & besides the 2003 season, even though Lewis wasn't the great Barry Sanders and didn't have near the stats or agility of Sanders, he sure as HELL was a great football player that put fear in a defense.

Stop throwing around the word "great" so liberally. Lewis wasn't close to "great". He had one great season and a handful of good seasons. The reality is that the guy was an "All-Pro" only once in his entire career, and that's about right. He hasn't been much of a factor in the past couple of seasons, and oh by the way, had 1000 yards rushing last season, which once again proves my point that it's not much of an accomplishment!

It's a common theme for you. Is it REALLY that hard to give credit to anybody outside of the Patriots organization? [/sarcasm] Holy shit you're a broken record. Lewis was a great running back, end of story and I don't give a shit what you say. Your entitled to your opinions but you fail to give players their worth only because of stats and fail to watch them as a player and what they do on the field. Stats aren't everything dammit!

Ain't this thread fun?

[YoungJRNY]

In theory of Johns way of thinking & besides the 2003 season, even though Lewis wasn't the great Barry Sanders and didn't have near the stats or agility of Sanders, he sure as HELL was a great football player that put fear in a defense.

Stop throwing around the word "great" so liberally. Lewis wasn't close to "great". He had one great season and a handful of good seasons. The reality is that the guy was an "All-Pro" only once in his entire career, and that's about right. He hasn't been much of a factor in the past couple of seasons, and oh by the way, had 1000 yards rushing last season, which once again proves my point that it's not much of an accomplishment!

It's a common theme for you. Is it REALLY that hard to give credit to anybody outside of the Patriots organization? [/sarcasm] Holy shit you're a broken record. Lewis was a great running back, end of story and I don't give a shit what you say. Your entitled to your opinions but you fail to give players their worth only because of stats and fail to watch them as a player and what they do on the field. Stats aren't everything dammit!

Ain't this thread fun?

Hell yeah it is. This thread alone has me clicking this message board first before I surf all my other sites. It's great and love all the passion and feedback.

As far as your signature:

Only the mental retardation can set their own river on fire. Mistake by the lake.

By the way, you loved our towel so much, you tried to copy! Along with any other team in the NFL.

[Enigma869]

It's a common theme for you. Is it REALLY that hard to give credit to anybody outside of the Patriots organization? [/sarcasm] Holy shit you're a broken record. Lewis was a great running back, end of story and I don't give a shit what you say. Your entitled to your opinions but you fail to give players their worth only because of stats and fail to watch them as a player and what they do on the field. Stats aren't everything dammit!

Listen fuckwad...the best running back I ever saw was Barry Sanders and I'm reasonably certain that he never played for the Patriots. The next 50 best running backs I've seen play in the NFL NEVER once played for the Patriots (actually, I stand corrected...Curtis Martin is on my list), so you have ZERO fucking clue what you're talking about. Out of the Patriots players over the past 10 years, only Tom Brady, Randy Moss, and Adam Vinatieri would qualify as all-time NFL greats, and I felt that way about Moss, WAY before he ever thought of playing for the Patriots. I can assure you that I'm not a homer, AT ALL and never have been. The conversation going on here had absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots, so I'm not even sure why you brought it up. I promise you that I watch more football in an NFL season than you watch in 10 years. Remember...you go to the games...I sit at home and watch NFL Sunday Ticket. If you think Jamal Lewis was a "great player, good for you. Luckily, you don't have a Hall of Fame vote. If a guy isn't HOF worthy, you're not allowed to use the word "great", period, end of story. The only way Lewis is getting into the HOF is if he purchases a ticket.

[YoungJRNY]

It's a common theme for you. Is it REALLY that hard to give credit to anybody outside of the Patriots organization? [/sarcasm] Holy shit you're a broken record. Lewis was a great running back, end of story and I don't give a shit what you say. Your entitled to your opinions but you fail to give players their worth only because of stats and fail to watch them as a player and what they do on the field. Stats aren't everything dammit!

Listen fuckwad...the best running back I ever saw was Barry Sanders and I'm reasonably certain that he never played for the Patriots. The next 50 best running backs I've seen play in the NFL NEVER once played for the Patriots (actually, I stand corrected...Curtis Martin is on my list), so you have ZERO fucking clue what you're talking about. Out of the Patriots players over the past 10 years, only Tom Brady, Randy Moss, and Adam Vinatieri would qualify as all-time NFL greats, and I felt that way about Moss, WAY before he ever thought of playing for the Patriots. I can assure you that I'm not a homer, AT ALL and never have been. The conversation going on here had absolutely nothing to do with the Patriots, so I'm not even sure why you brought it up. I promise you that I watch more football in an NFL season than you watch in 10 years. Remember...you go to the games...I sit at home and watch NFL Sunday Ticket. If you think Jamal Lewis was a "great player, good for you. Luckily, you don't have a Hall of Fame vote. If a guy isn't HOF worthy, you're not allowed to use the word "great", period, end of story. The only way Lewis is getting into the HOF is if he purchases a ticket.

Obviously you don't know what [/sarcasm] means but I didn't listen because your full of diarrhea! (And yes, your an all time homer, even if we are off subject you are so quick to compare it to anything Patriots and get so defensive= fail.) And STOP promising shit that's just weird you dirty egotistical maniac.

[YoungJRNY]

This is how Steelers Country feels about all of this hoarse shit.

I awakened on Friday from a frightening dream:
Another ass-pounding by a horrible team

Booze still on my breath, I rolled out of bed
And tried to calm down the pounding in my head

As I took a fat piss, I yawned and looked down
But then realized with horror we'd lost to the Browns

In a game so damn boring, and with effort so poor
That watching was like slamming your dick in a door

Now mad and frustrated, I shook off my schlong
And tried to remember just what had gone wrong

For starts, when we'd needed to be at our best,
The line played like junkies addicted to meth

Our wideouts did nothing -- but really, who could
With QB throwing like his head's made of wood

The DBs were lame -- do they still miss McFadden?
Or was it 'cause they lost Troy to that dickweed John Madden?

The run game was so-so, the pass rush was "meh"
But better than special teams -- they were totally gay

I guess in the end, there were plenty of reasons
We lost one more game and f***ed up our season

So quick it was stunning -- it couldn't be quicker
Oh well, 'til September, I've still got malt liquor

But now do I think our team's not the one?
Yeah maybe -- if my dick was the size of my thumb

So screw all you haters; we'll be back next year
Until then, remember, Tom Brady is queer.

Funny stuff.

[YoungJRNY]

The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.

[Ehwmatt]

The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.

A change of the guard would do the NFL good, get some fresh blood in instead of the same old teams and QBs every year... except Peyton. He can be good every year I'll never get tired of that fucker.

[ttango1]

I'm a Charger fan and I'm happy that I can cross Pittsburgh off the list of teams I fear.

You should fear your head coach and your pussy running back who completely disappears EVERYTIME the playoffs roll around!

And yet I see 2 Indy eliminations. Everytime must have a different definition in your household.

[Rick]

The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.

Hey!! Part 6, fucker!! I'm into your story!