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Postby Don » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:32 pm

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ttango1 wrote:I'm a Charger fan and I'm happy that I can cross Pittsburgh off the list of teams I fear.



You should fear your head coach and your pussy running back who completely disappears EVERYTIME the playoffs roll around!


And yet I see 2 Indy eliminations. Everytime must have a different definition in your household.


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meaning when it's time to step up and get into the Super Bowl. Indy had those two losses but they also have something the Chargers don't have, despite going 14-2 in 2006.
Victories don't mean a thing without the bling.

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And let's not forget Eli "I'm not going to San Diego" Manning.

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All that said, if they don't get to the Super Bowl this year, the coach will probably be let go. Despite LT's annual disappearing act in the big playoff games, this team should be able to advance all the way this year.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:33 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.


Hey!! Part 6, fucker!! I'm into your story! :lol:


It's up, Rick! 8)
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Postby Rick » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:59 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.


Hey!! Part 6, fucker!! I'm into your story! :lol:


It's up, Rick! 8)


Good reading, thanks.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:05 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.


Hey!! Part 6, fucker!! I'm into your story! :lol:


It's up, Rick! 8)


Good reading, thanks.


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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:17 am

YoungJRNY wrote:The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.



Just to be clear, it's not "players" saying what you claim they're saying about Belichick. It's one guy...Adalius Thomas. The guy has sucked since the Patriots signed him and has been benched more than half of this season by Belichick. Randy Moss is also one of the players who were sent home for being late, and I agree with what Belichick did. The reality is that most losing organizations are losing organizations because they allow players to do exactly what they feel like doing. There is simply ZERO excuse for it. If Tom Brady can show up on time for a meeting on a day that his wife gave birth to their son, there is no reason these guys can't show up on time, and the fact that it was snowing out isn't a good enough excuse. Leave your fucking house early and get to the stadium on time!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:20 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:By the way, the Browns didn't knock the Steelers out of anything. That was done by the Chiefs a month ago!


Oh really? Who woulda thought by your constant "We gotta win out! We can do it!" mantras and pissing and moaning after the Ravens and Raiders losses? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Face it, the Browns ended it. You guys had it made w/ your schedule for another 05-06-style miracle run


What happened to unleashing hell in December? :lol:


I missed this entire page for some reason. I'll address it now.

You see Matt, when you are NOT mathematically out of it, you have to muster up every fanism you have in your body to stick to the plan, and that plan is making the playoffs. (Something you've never experienced.) I spent a good hour coming up with many ways for the Steelers to make it in the post season and as long as there's a shot, you put weeks behind you. But lets not kid ourselves, losing to the Chiefs ALONE is enough to knock us out of the running and then follows the Raiders and Chiefs. It was over a long time ago, regardless of mathematics or the Clowns. The Steelers are messed up internally, badly.

Come to think of it, they are STILL not mathematically out of it. We win out (LOL!) then 9-7 can make it. All Jacksonville needs to do is lose 3 out of the 4 remaining and it could be done. They got Miami, New England, Indy the the vaunted Browns.:lol: LMAO, funny thing is my spirit won't be tamed, no matter what. During these times, my support only grows stronger, and that speaks my loyalty. Even though we're probably going to lose to GB more than 17 points, bring them on.

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And John is absolutely correct.... THEY UNLEASHED IT ON THEIR FANS!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:24 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:The Pats have a small case of turmoil as well. Players sent home for being late, being interviewed and saying Bellichick runs things juvenile and acts like they are in high school by sending them home, and now their mascot is causing trouble for a prostitution bust? Hilarious. What a weird season for top notch organizations.



Just to be clear, it's not "players" saying what you claim they're saying about Belichick. It's one guy...Adalius Thomas. The guy has sucked since the Patriots signed him and has been benched more than half of this season by Belichick. Randy Moss is also one of the players who were sent home for being late, and I agree with what Belichick did. The reality is that most losing organizations are losing organizations because they allow players to do exactly what they feel like doing. There is simply ZERO excuse for it. If Tom Brady can show up on time for a meeting on a day that his wife gave birth to their son, there is no reason these guys can't show up on time, and the fact that it was snowing out isn't a good enough excuse. Leave your fucking house early and get to the stadium on time!


More than 1 player were involved, making it players, but it only takes one to speak for others and that's what it took. This is no different than the public addressing than what Hines did to Ben. Ward said it with respect and opened his big yap not knowing what it had done. Thomas had every intention to throw his head coach a bark and that's not good. But yes, 0 excuse for these guys to skip, sleep or be late to practice. They are getting paid to play a game, big bucks, so GET YOUR ASS THERE ON TIME!!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:26 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:By the way, the Browns didn't knock the Steelers out of anything. That was done by the Chiefs a month ago!


Oh really? Who woulda thought by your constant "We gotta win out! We can do it!" mantras and pissing and moaning after the Ravens and Raiders losses? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Face it, the Browns ended it. You guys had it made w/ your schedule for another 05-06-style miracle run


What happened to unleashing hell in December? :lol:


I missed this entire page for some reason. I'll address it now.

You see Matt, when you are NOT mathematically out of it, you have to muster up every fanism you have in your body to stick to the plan, and that plan is making the playoffs. (Something you've never experienced.) I spent a good hour coming up with many ways for the Steelers to make it in the post season and as long as there's a shot, you put weeks behind you. But lets not kid ourselves, losing to the Chiefs ALONE is enough to knock us out of the running and then follows the Raiders and Chiefs. It was over a long time ago, regardless of mathematics.



Losing to the Chiefs didn't knock you guys out man. Losing to the Browns did... hell, like you say, there's even a slight possibility of a miracle star alignment getting you guy in at 9-7. Remember 2 years ago when we were 10-6 and didn't get the WC cuz Derek Anderception couldn't beat Cinci? THe Browns have been bad, but we've had to wait it out a couple times for shit like that since they've been back...
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:31 am

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More than 1 player were involved, making it players, but it only takes one to speak for others and that's what it took. This is no different than the public addressing than what Hines did to Ben. Ward said it with respect and opened his big yap not knowing what it had done. Thomas had every intention to throw his head coach a bark and that's not good. But yes, 0 excuse for these guys to skip, sleep or be late to practice. They are getting paid to play a game, big bucks, so GET YOUR ASS THERE ON TIME!!


Four players were sent home, and only Adalius opened his yap. I don't assume that anyone speaks for anyone else. I'm not suggesting that any of the guys were happy about being sent home, but fuck them. This isn't Pop Warner. Show the fuck up when you're supposed to show up. I couldn't have less confidence in the Patriots this season, but Belichick did the right thing. The fact that this guy had the stones to send Randy Moss home for showing up late just ratcheted up my respect level for him. I can't think of a single head coach in all the years I've been watching NFL football who sent a star player home and treated him the exact same way he treated all the other players. Honestly, I'd bench all four of these fuckers for the game tomorrow.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:31 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:By the way, the Browns didn't knock the Steelers out of anything. That was done by the Chiefs a month ago!


Oh really? Who woulda thought by your constant "We gotta win out! We can do it!" mantras and pissing and moaning after the Ravens and Raiders losses? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Face it, the Browns ended it. You guys had it made w/ your schedule for another 05-06-style miracle run


What happened to unleashing hell in December? :lol:


I missed this entire page for some reason. I'll address it now.

You see Matt, when you are NOT mathematically out of it, you have to muster up every fanism you have in your body to stick to the plan, and that plan is making the playoffs. (Something you've never experienced.) I spent a good hour coming up with many ways for the Steelers to make it in the post season and as long as there's a shot, you put weeks behind you. But lets not kid ourselves, losing to the Chiefs ALONE is enough to knock us out of the running and then follows the Raiders and Chiefs. It was over a long time ago, regardless of mathematics.

Losing to the Chiefs didn't knock you guys out man. Losing to the Browns did... hell, like you say, there's even a slight possibility of a miracle star alignment getting you guy in at 9-7. Remember 2 years ago when we were 10-6 and didn't get the WC cuz Derek Anderception couldn't beat Cinci? THe Browns have been bad, but we've had to wait it out a couple times for shit like that since they've been back...


Like I said, mathematically the Chiefs didn't knock the Steelers out, hell, the BROWNS [fuck me to tears) didn't even mathematically do it. But losing to the the #1, #2, and #3 worse teams in the league is bad enough and that alone says we are eliminated because we just aren't good. The only team that I'm GLAD we aren't playing this season is St. Louis because they are probably the worst of them all and can prob beat the Steelers right now. What I'm saying is, no matter what the math says, losing to the Chiefs, Raiders or Browns knock you out because we got PUNK'D. I hand it to you Shitstains for showing up. 8)
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:45 am

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More than 1 player were involved, making it players, but it only takes one to speak for others and that's what it took. This is no different than the public addressing than what Hines did to Ben. Ward said it with respect and opened his big yap not knowing what it had done. Thomas had every intention to throw his head coach a bark and that's not good. But yes, 0 excuse for these guys to skip, sleep or be late to practice. They are getting paid to play a game, big bucks, so GET YOUR ASS THERE ON TIME!!


Four players were sent home, and only Adalius opened his yap. I don't assume that anyone speaks for anyone else. I'm not suggesting that any of the guys were happy about being sent home, but fuck them. This isn't Pop Warner. Show the fuck up when you're supposed to show up. I couldn't have less confidence in the Patriots this season, but Belichick did the right thing. The fact that this guy had the stones to send Randy Moss home for showing up late just ratcheted up my respect level for him. I can't think of a single head coach in all the years I've been watching NFL football who sent a star player home and treated him the exact same way he treated all the other players. Honestly, I'd bench all four of these fuckers for the game tomorrow.


You can't think of a coach who has treated everyone the same because it really isn't smart to do that.

He's lucky he's got the reputation he does, because to a coach with a lesser reputation, treating everybody the same could prove disastrous. The average coach can't get away with treating every player the "exact same way." I'm not a fan of prima donnas or special treatment, but I imagine the toughest thing as a pro coach is striking a balance between giving your stars a bit of extra special treatment while keeping every one else in line. Hell, even just the difference between vets and rookies needs to be acknowledged for most coaches when disciplining or even just plain interacting.

I dunno. I still think Belichick is a fuckin dick after all these years who has succeeded in spite of it because of his football acumen. I don't think these kinda things are necessarily all that spectacular or smart of him to do. I'd much rather see discipline than complete lack of discipline (e.g. Romeo Crennel era here), but I dunno...
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:47 am

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More than 1 player were involved, making it players, but it only takes one to speak for others and that's what it took. This is no different than the public addressing than what Hines did to Ben. Ward said it with respect and opened his big yap not knowing what it had done. Thomas had every intention to throw his head coach a bark and that's not good. But yes, 0 excuse for these guys to skip, sleep or be late to practice. They are getting paid to play a game, big bucks, so GET YOUR ASS THERE ON TIME!!


Four players were sent home, and only Adalius opened his yap. I don't assume that anyone speaks for anyone else. I'm not suggesting that any of the guys were happy about being sent home, but fuck them. This isn't Pop Warner. Show the fuck up when you're supposed to show up. I couldn't have less confidence in the Patriots this season, but Belichick did the right thing. The fact that this guy had the stones to send Randy Moss home for showing up late just ratcheted up my respect level for him. I can't think of a single head coach in all the years I've been watching NFL football who sent a star player home and treated him the exact same way he treated all the other players. Honestly, I'd bench all four of these fuckers for the game tomorrow.


What a job to have to have to coach GROWN MEN, making millions of dollars and to be having taking serious into coaching them. That's a tough act and I applaud all head and assistant coaches for keeping these guys in check. Coaching college players is one thing, but grown men has to be a challenge. (Imagine telling Favre how to throw a curl route, what DO YOU SAY to him to get him to listen?) Has to be harder than it seems. But I agree with Bellichick here also, these guys are asked to do ONE thing and it's show up on time. They won't be higher than the coaching staff or the game itself so they will be put in their place. In '08, Santonio Holmes was admitted to a cop for having a dooby. Tomlin having the option to sit or start him, told him not to show up and that he was going to be deactivated against the Giants. The Steelers lost by 7 and he certainly would of been the difference maker. It's simply shown to say who's running the ship.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:50 am

YoungJRNY wrote:What a job to have to have to coach GROWN MEN, making millions of dollars and to be having taking serious into coaching them. That's a tough act and I applaud all head and assistant coaches for keeping these guys in check. Coaching college players is one thing, but grown men has to be a challenge. (Imagine telling Favre how to throw a curl route, what DO YOU SAY to him to get him to listen?) Has to be harder than it seems. But I agree with Bellichick here also, these guys are asked to do ONE thing and it's show up on time. They won't be higher than the coaching staff or the game itself so they will be put in their place. In '08, Santonio Holmes was admitted to a cop for having a dooby. Tomlin having the option to sit or start him, told him not to show up and that he was going to be deactivated against the Giants. The Steelers lost by 7 and he certainly would of been the difference maker. It's simply shown to say who's running the ship.


I mean, let me qualify my above post and say that Moss certainly deserved to be sent home in this instance. But in a general sense, most coaches can't get away with treating all players the exact same. Too many variables go into that relationship between a coach and a star...
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:52 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Like I said, mathematically the Chiefs didn't knock the Steelers out, hell, the BROWNS [fuck me to tears) didn't even mathematically do it. But losing to the the #1, #2, and #3 worse teams in the league is bad enough and that alone says we are eliminated because we just aren't good. The only team that I'm GLAD we aren't playing this season is St. Louis because they are probably the worst of them all and can prob beat the Steelers right now. What I'm saying is, no matter what the math says, losing to the Chiefs, Raiders or Browns knock you out because we got PUNK'D. I hand it to you Shitstains for showing up. 8)


The thing that confuses me is that you guys started off shitty with the early Bengals and Bears(!) losses, then seemed poised to be in scary form again... you guys beat the fuckin Vikings and it's been all downhill since then. Very strange trajectory to the season.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:00 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Like I said, mathematically the Chiefs didn't knock the Steelers out, hell, the BROWNS [fuck me to tears) didn't even mathematically do it. But losing to the the #1, #2, and #3 worse teams in the league is bad enough and that alone says we are eliminated because we just aren't good. The only team that I'm GLAD we aren't playing this season is St. Louis because they are probably the worst of them all and can prob beat the Steelers right now. What I'm saying is, no matter what the math says, losing to the Chiefs, Raiders or Browns knock you out because we got PUNK'D. I hand it to you Shitstains for showing up. 8)


The thing that confuses me is that you guys started off shitty with the early Bengals and Bears(!) losses, then seemed poised to be in scary form again... you guys beat the fuckin Vikings and it's been all downhill since then. Very strange trajectory to the season.


I agree. In ALL of these games that we lost, it's a 4th down stop here, a stop here, or a 4th down or stop in between. Translation: One play away. Cowher said it best and everyone views it as cliche but it's true and we are experiencing it. "It's a FINE LINE."

6 wins and 7 losses could EASILY be 10 or 11 wins or 2 or 3 losses. This season, I think is worse than the 2003 season, or the 2006 season only because in those seasons, we were just BAD and got beat schematically and just couldn't muster it as far as man power was concerned. This year we had leads in EVERY game (except the Browns: fuck me to tears) and it's our defense that's letting us down time and time again, mixed in with a piss poor managed offense. We are losing to teams we are better than and THAT'S frustrating. Shit, after the beat down we put on Denver.. in Denver.. we were 6-2 and in position to take the North. Everything fell apart more than we could of dreamed after that. After that game I thought for real that the Steelers would at least finish 13-3, 12-4.

At least lose with dignity. We'll see in the last 3 who wants to play football and who wants to go to the concession stand. :x
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:46 am

Ehwmatt wrote:But in a general sense, most coaches can't get away with treating all players the exact same. Too many variables go into that relationship between a coach and a star...


Just so I'm clear about my post, I am acutely aware of the fact that star, veteran players aren't treated the same as first year rookies, who play special teams or don't play at all. That really wasn't my point. When it comes to showing up at a team meeting, ALL players absolutely MUST be treated the same. I remember when Rodney Harrison came to the Patriots from the Chargers and he showed up at one of his first meetings 3 minutes late. Willie McGinest took him aside and said "We don't show up for meetings late around here", and Harrison was never a second late to another meeting for the rest of his career. That's really how it should be with every team. You show me a team who isn't disciplined, and I'll show you a team who loses a whole lot more than they win. There is zero doubt in my mind about that and it is proven year after year in the NFL.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:58 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:But in a general sense, most coaches can't get away with treating all players the exact same. Too many variables go into that relationship between a coach and a star...


Just so I'm clear about my post, I am acutely aware of the fact that star, veteran players aren't treated the same as first year rookies, who play special teams or don't play at all. That really wasn't my point. When it comes to showing up at a team meeting, ALL players absolutely MUST be treated the same. I remember when Rodney Harrison came to the Patriots from the Chargers and he showed up at one of his first meetings 3 minutes late. Willie McGinest took him aside and said "We don't show up for meetings late around here", and Harrison was never a second late to another meeting for the rest of his career. That's really how it should be with every team. You show me a team who isn't disciplined, and I'll show you a team who loses a whole lot more than they win. There is zero doubt in my mind about that and it is proven year after year in the NFL.


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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:05 pm

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Ehwmatt wrote:But in a general sense, most coaches can't get away with treating all players the exact same. Too many variables go into that relationship between a coach and a star...


Just so I'm clear about my post, I am acutely aware of the fact that star, veteran players aren't treated the same as first year rookies, who play special teams or don't play at all. That really wasn't my point. When it comes to showing up at a team meeting, ALL players absolutely MUST be treated the same. I remember when Rodney Harrison came to the Patriots from the Chargers and he showed up at one of his first meetings 3 minutes late. Willie McGinest took him aside and said "We don't show up for meetings late around here", and Harrison was never a second late to another meeting for the rest of his career. That's really how it should be with every team. You show me a team who isn't disciplined, and I'll show you a team who loses a whole lot more than they win. There is zero doubt in my mind about that and it is proven year after year in the NFL.


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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:06 pm

New Orleans at Atlanta - Atlanta is done, and the Saints keep rolling. New Orleans by 20.

Green Bay at Chicago - ***UPSET ALERT*** Green Bay is the much better team, but it's the NFL land something goofy has to happen every week. Chicago by 3.

NY Jets at Tampa Bay - Jets by 7.

Miami at Jacksonville - Toughest game to call of the whole weekend for me. Jacksonville pulls it out by a TD.

Detroit at Baltimore - Baltimore wins by two touchdowns.

Seattle at Houston - Houston by two touchdowns.

Denver at Indianapolis - Indianapolis keeps their perfect season alive and win a close one by 3.

Buffalo at Kansas City - Kansas City by a TD.

Cincinnati at Minnesota - Minnesota by 10.

Carolina at New England - New England is proving that they can't stop ANY QB in the NFL, so I'm not sure it will even matter that Delhomme is out. I have zero confidence in this game but am picking the Patriots to win by a FG.

Washington at Oakland - I cannot believe I am actually going to predict the Raiders to win a game. Oakland by 7.

St. Louis at Tennessee - Titans win by 10.

San Diego at Dallas - It's December. Do you know where your FraudBoys are? The battle between two of the worst head coaches in the NFL. On paper, Dallas should run away with this one, because they simply need the game more. Because it's Dallas, it's December, and their head coach is a complete buffoon (although, so is Turner), I like San Diego by 4 points.

Philadelphia at NY Giants - Giants by 3.

Arizona at San Francisco - Arizona seems to be clicking on all cylinders at the right time of the season. I'm not sold on Arizona, AT ALL, and believe they won't be much of a factor in the playoffs. That said, they're certainly a better team than San Francisco, and win by 17.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:11 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:Thomas had every intention to throw his head coach a bark and that's not good.


Honestly, it's really no big deal. As I said prior, Thomas really hasn't been much of a factor since the Patriots signed him , with endless DNP's (coach's decision). I'm reasonably certainly that Thomas punched his ticket out of town by opening up his piehole in front of the Boston media (something that NEVER EVER EVER happens with the Patriots). I'm confident that Thomas has probably played his last game with the Patriots, and that Belichick will show him one more time that the inmates don't run the asylum in Foxboro and never will as long as he's calling the shots there. If Thomas makes it into tomorrow's game for one single play, I'll be stunned, because I know how Belichick does things. It's about time for the Patriots to clean house and get a whole lot of new players in there who can actually play and buy into the program.
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Postby Zedul » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:13 pm

Really, does it matter at this point?

The NFL turned a corner this year with the bad bad bad bad officiating. They've been flirting and playing around the last couple seasons but this year the Saints vs. Washington game, and the Colts vs. Pats and Colts vs. Houston games had such blatant fucked up officiating calls that the NFL is obviously not even pretending to be honest anymore and is rapidly closing on on being a fake "entertainment" league like the NBA, Boxing, and pro Wrestling.

There is one set of rules for certain players, and another set for everyone else - it NEVER used to be that way in the NFL but it's changing.

My only hope for the season is the fact that Arizona and San Diego are so good that they might upset the apple cart even if it's been loaded the other way.

In any case, next year the salary cap will be gone... and the Cowboys, Jets, Redskins, Seahawks, Giants, and a few other teams with vast pocketbooks will have 3x the Payroll of teams like the Packers, Steelers, Bills, Cardinals, Vikings, et and we will be in a baseball situation, with Dallas taking the place of the Yankees, and the Redskins taking the place of the BoSox.

An uncapped season + unchecked bogus officiating will be followed by a lockout in 2011 and the end of the NFL as we know it. Jacksonville, Minnesota, and Buffalo will probably all lose their teams - and by the time these idiots are through Pro-Football will be worse off than the NHL by 2020 and there will be no going back.

Enjoy this 2010 Superbowl, it's probably the end of one of the greatest runs of any pro sport in history.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:56 am

That Jetson's quote is pretty damn funny :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:58 am

I wouldn't suffer lateness as a coach either. One of the most distracting things in the world about being on a team is when people show up late to practice/meetings etc. The players are wondering where the guy is, the coaches get pissed, it gets taken out on every one, and it's just downright not fair to the other players who left themselves plenty of time to make it on time even on account of traffic conditions and what not.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:22 am

Zedul wrote:Really, does it matter at this point?

The NFL turned a corner this year with the bad bad bad bad officiating. They've been flirting and playing around the last couple seasons but this year the Saints vs. Washington game, and the Colts vs. Pats and Colts vs. Houston games had such blatant fucked up officiating calls that the NFL is obviously not even pretending to be honest anymore and is rapidly closing on on being a fake "entertainment" league like the NBA, Boxing, and pro Wrestling.

There is one set of rules for certain players, and another set for everyone else - it NEVER used to be that way in the NFL but it's changing.

My only hope for the season is the fact that Arizona and San Diego are so good that they might upset the apple cart even if it's been loaded the other way.

In any case, next year the salary cap will be gone... and the Cowboys, Jets, Redskins, Seahawks, Giants, and a few other teams with vast pocketbooks will have 3x the Payroll of teams like the Packers, Steelers, Bills, Cardinals, Vikings, et and we will be in a baseball situation, with Dallas taking the place of the Yankees, and the Redskins taking the place of the BoSox.

An uncapped season + unchecked bogus officiating will be followed by a lockout in 2011 and the end of the NFL as we know it. Jacksonville, Minnesota, and Buffalo will probably all lose their teams - and by the time these idiots are through Pro-Football will be worse off than the NHL by 2020 and there will be no going back.

Enjoy this 2010 Superbowl, it's probably the end of one of the greatest runs of any pro sport in history.



the Cowboys, Jets, Redskins, Seahawks, Giants, and a few other teams with vast pocketbooks will have 3x the Payroll of teams like the Packers, Steelers, Bills, Cardinals, Vikings, et and we will be in a baseball situation, with Dallas taking the place of the Yankees, and the Redskins taking the place of the BoSox.


That's why you saw so many organizations try to lock up their profile men LAST off season and the players testing the market to see what their value was while they still could. Most of the teams got the men they wanted locked up for at least 5 seasons for a reason and that's because of the 2010 un capped season.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:46 am

I'm telling you guys, we ALL could be apart of NFL Live. What the panel with Boomer, Coach Ditka, Key, Carter and Jackson just said about the Steelers is what I came to realize verbatim and John, and Matt said the same things they are saying around the league. Crazy.

We could be making millions a year doing this but all that stands in our way is MR. :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:00 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I'm telling you guys, we ALL could be apart of NFL Live. What the panel with Boomer, Coach Ditka, Key, Carter and Jackson just said about the Steelers is what I came to realize verbatim and John, and Matt said the same things they are saying around the league. Crazy.

We could be making millions a year doing this but all that stands in our way is MR. :lol:


Haha, would be nice wouldn't it? :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:02 am

Fact Finder wrote:
New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady returned to practice field Friday after missing the previous two sessions with right finger, right shoulder and rib injuries, and he's listed as questionable for this weekend's game against the Carolina Panthers.


He'll be out there. I do think if this game is a blowout on either side of the ball that Belichick pulls him from the game. Say what you will about Brady but the dude is tough as nails. He almost always has to have off-season surgery to fix shit that got damaged during the long NFL season and still goes out there and plays if he's physically capable of playing.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:08 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady returned to practice field Friday after missing the previous two sessions with right finger, right shoulder and rib injuries, and he's listed as questionable for this weekend's game against the Carolina Panthers.


He'll be out there. I do think if this game is a blowout on either side of the ball that Belichick pulls him from the game. Say what you will about Brady but the dude is tough as nails. He almost always has to have off-season surgery to fix shit that got damaged during the long NFL season and still goes out there and plays if he's physically capable of playing.


I think NE blows them out today and gets back on track for the playoff run, I really do. I expect to see a new team in the next several weeks, barring Brady's injury(ies) being worse than it(they) appears to be.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:20 am

Enigma869 wrote:
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New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady returned to practice field Friday after missing the previous two sessions with right finger, right shoulder and rib injuries, and he's listed as questionable for this weekend's game against the Carolina Panthers.


He'll be out there. I do think if this game is a blowout on either side of the ball that Belichick pulls him from the game. Say what you will about Brady but the dude is tough as nails. He almost always has to have off-season surgery to fix shit that got damaged during the long NFL season and still goes out there and plays if he's physically capable of playing.


I'm with Matt and agree that the Pats will more than likely get back on track and put themselves in position for their playoff run.

As far as Brady is concerned, how is he considered tough as nails when he rarely got hit the past seasons? He only got sacked 15 times this season and every game I see him play, he rarely gets touched. Now that he is getting knocked around this season and is getting hit more times than he has, he's having major injury problems all of a sudden, which makes you think he's fragile. Put him in the Steelers, Packers, Chiefs or Texan's offense behind that O-line and then we'll question his toughness, or at least being tough as nails since those guys are getting sacked 40 times a season, not including rushed, hurried, or hit.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:38 am

YoungJRNY wrote:As far as Brady is concerned, how is he considered tough as nails when he rarely got hit the past seasons? He only got sacked 15 times this season and every game I see him play, he rarely gets touched. Now that he is getting knocked around this season and is getting hit more times than he has, he's having major injury problems all of a sudden, which makes you think he's fragile. Put him in the Steelers, Packers, Chiefs or Texan's offense behind that O-line and then we'll question his toughness, or at least being tough as nails since those guys are getting sacked 40 times a season, not including rushed, hurried, or hit.


I've said it before and I'll say it again...you have zero idea what you're talking about. If you're the football guru you think you are then you should know that there is a whole lot more to the story than getting sacked. Even when Brady doesn't get sacked, he gets hit plenty! As far as Brady "all of a sudden having 'major' injury problems"...I'm not sure what you're referring to. He's been banged up all season long (his shoulder was hurt during the preseason). I would say given that he's answering the bell to play, his injuries can't be as "major" as you're intimating they are! The other thing I'll say about sacks is that there is a reason that some QB's don't get sacked that often...it's because they're fucking intelligent and know when to get rid of the damn football. Brady played behind the same exact offensive line as Drew Bledsoe played behind in 2001 and Bledsoe got sacked every other play, because he never knew when to get rid of the damn football. Dan Marino never had exceptional offensive lines and still almost never got sacked.
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