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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:50 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:As far as Brady is concerned, how is he considered tough as nails when he rarely got hit the past seasons? He only got sacked 15 times this season and every game I see him play, he rarely gets touched. Now that he is getting knocked around this season and is getting hit more times than he has, he's having major injury problems all of a sudden, which makes you think he's fragile. Put him in the Steelers, Packers, Chiefs or Texan's offense behind that O-line and then we'll question his toughness, or at least being tough as nails since those guys are getting sacked 40 times a season, not including rushed, hurried, or hit.


I've said it before and I'll say it again...you have zero idea what you're talking about. If you're the football guru you think you are then you should know that there is a whole lot more to the story than getting sacked. Even when Brady doesn't get sacked, he gets hit plenty! As far as Brady "all of a sudden having 'major' injury problems"...I'm not sure what you're referring to. He's been banged up all season long (his shoulder was hurt during the preseason). I would say given that he's answering the bell to play, his injuries can't be as "major" as you're intimating they are! The other thing I'll say about sacks is that there is a reason that some QB's don't get sacked that often...it's because they're fucking intelligent and know when to get rid of the damn football. Brady played behind the same exact offensive line as Drew Bledsoe played behind in 2001 and Bledsoe got sacked every other play, because he never knew when to get rid of the damn football. Dan Marino never had exceptional offensive lines and still almost never got sacked.


Of course, you didn't read my last line. I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can't read and believe in your own jibber jabber. I said it didn't include being hurried, rushed, or hit when dealing with the 15 sacks he was dealt. EVERY quarterback gets hit, but Marsha Brady, in EVERY game that I've witnessed, barely gets hit, and that's because of his quick release in taking underneath routes obviously.(I've seen times where he had 7 solid seconds to throw.) My point is all of a sudden he's getting hit more than usual this season and he's now injury prone, which I stated makes you think of him being fragile than "tough as nails" as you claim him to be. As far as the same line Bledsoe was dealt, Brady took over in 2001 and got sacked 41 times, so his decision making wasn't that great when compared to Bledsoe's line in '01.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:10 am

Fact Finder, will you finally stop worrying about what the Steelers are doing and start worrying about your inflatable team? :shock:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:18 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Fact Finder, will you finally stop worrying about what the Steelers are doing and start worrying about your inflatable team? :shock:


Bad performance today, especially considering Favre shoulda been the turnover machine again if they woulda held onto their picks. Vikings are looking very beatable nowadays.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:28 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Fact Finder, will you finally stop worrying about what the Steelers are doing and start worrying about your inflatable team? :shock:


Bad performance today, especially considering Favre shoulda been the turnover machine again if they woulda held onto their picks. Vikings are looking very beatable nowadays.


So are the Saints.. that's 2 weeks in a row to where they were taking to the wire and escaped with 3 points, but hey, I applaud them. Winning tight games are signs of a good team, no matter the circumstance. Finding certain, tiny ways to come away with a W. That's a bitch of a team to beat. As for the Vikings, I still believe they are the team to beat and is as powerful as the Colts or Saints.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:29 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Fact Finder, will you finally stop worrying about what the Steelers are doing and start worrying about your inflatable team? :shock:


Bad performance today, especially considering Favre shoulda been the turnover machine again if they woulda held onto their picks. Vikings are looking very beatable nowadays.



As Dierdorf said, it's hard enough to play the Vikings in the Dome but to play against the yellow flags makes it that much harder. The Cincy penalties today were just mind numbing. They deserved to lose.


You mean like that running into the kicker against Minny? Probably the worst call of this year. They REALLY need to address this running into the kicker shit, it's simply NOT NEEDED IN FOOTBALL. Too watered down IMO.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:08 am

The Pats had three terrible calls go against them today - two challenges that should have resulted in big plays - supported by the replay, but, somehow, not overturned. They didn't win because of that one call - they were simply not as awful as the Panthers today.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:05 am

7 Wishes wrote:The Pats had three terrible calls go against them today - two challenges that should have resulted in big plays - supported by the replay, but, somehow, not overturned. They didn't win because of that one call - they were simply not as awful as the Panthers today.


You LOVE blaming the refs. That's all you ever say. New England had a bad phantom penalty called that helped them down the field, which resulted in a 30 yard play I believe it was on a touchdown drive. Again judgment is judgment and the refs see it as they see it so it's no use blaming refs unless the call is THAT bad in a crucial situation in deciding the game. That said, The Panthers/Pats game was a snoozer between two mediocre teams.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:28 am

7 Wishes wrote:The Pats had three terrible calls go against them today - two challenges that should have resulted in big plays - supported by the replay, but, somehow, not overturned. They didn't win because of that one call - they were simply not as awful as the Panthers today.



Sorry dude...I don't agree. There were some calls that went the Patriots way that were blatant missed calls by the officials. The play Travis is talking about isn't one of them. The defender on Carolina never turned around to look at the ball and the pass interference call CLEARLY states that the defender MUST turn around to look for the ball. That was absolutely, positively pass interference. That said, there was an illegal contact call against Carolina that gave the Patriots a first down that was a HORRENDOUS call. The Carolina defender clearly made contact within 5 yards (which is allowed), and the officials simply blew the call.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:39 am

Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded
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Postby portland » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:40 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded



He was moving arms and legs...that was a really good sign!!!
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:45 am

portland wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded



He was moving arms and legs...that was a really good sign!!!


yea.. but they were "shaking" .. oh man i dont like pain !
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:45 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.
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Postby portland » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:46 am

Enigma869 wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.




yes it was...he will be fine.... :wink:
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:50 am

Enigma869 wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.


thats COWBOYS! .. well,, i would love to disagree with you but cant.. our offense isnt the problem that they were in the beginning of the year .. .........

.i really really hate to criticize power athletes that are tougher and more talented than i could ever imagine,, but some of these defensive backs just dont have the skills that the recievers have..

the dallas defense backs are getting burned , field goal kicker is so unreliable that 4th and long is looking good..
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:56 am

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Enigma869 wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.


thats COWBOYS! .. well,, i would love to disagree with you but cant.. our offense isnt the problem that they were in the beginning of the year .. .........

.i really really hate to criticize power athletes that are tougher and more talented than i could ever imagine,, but some of these defensive backs just dont have the skills that the recievers have..

the dallas defense backs are getting burned , field goal kicker is so unreliable that 4th and long is looking good..


Field position is key and the battle for it is underrated IMO. Everyone talks about overall defense and overall offense and all of that, but the field position battle is HUMONGOUS in deciding a football game. That's why you see coach's running kickers out on 4th and short and kicking it deep on 4th and inches.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:04 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.


thats COWBOYS! .. well,, i would love to disagree with you but cant.. our offense isnt the problem that they were in the beginning of the year .. .........

.i really really hate to criticize power athletes that are tougher and more talented than i could ever imagine,, but some of these defensive backs just dont have the skills that the recievers have..

the dallas defense backs are getting burned , field goal kicker is so unreliable that 4th and long is looking good..


Field position is key and the battle for it is underrated IMO. Everyone talks about overall defense and overall offense and all of that, but the field position battle is HUMONGOUS in deciding a football game. That's why you see coach's running kickers out on 4th and short and kicking it deep on 4th and inches.


wow.. ya know... football is much more complicated than some folks think.. there is so much strategy going on.. and the players...catching a football over your shoulder .. looking back .. with a HELMENT on .. :lol: its just incredible.. i love football .. but am not too much a fan of certain players anymore..
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:08 pm

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wow.. ya know... football is much more complicated than some folks think.. there is so much strategy going on.. and the players...catching a football over your shoulder .. looking back .. with a HELMENT on .. :lol: its just incredible.. i love football .. but am not too much a fan of certain players anymore..



Look at the bright side...your team will have a new coach next season and that can't hurt. Unfortunately for Cowboys fans, your owner is a complete dope who doesn't understand how to keep his nose off the field. Because of that, Dallas will never attract a top tier coach, and if they do, those guys won't stay. As soon as they figure out that Jones can't control himself, they'll go the way of Bill Parcells.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:14 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:Demarcus Ware head /neck injury video.. it hurt watching this , it turns out

to be a neck sprain,, ouch.. the Chargers were very respectful .. they still whooped us..

our dang defense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ULvTR-L ... r_embedded


Ware will be fine, but the FraudBoys are DONE! It was definitely a good thing to see him moving his arms, and fingers.


thats COWBOYS! .. well,, i would love to disagree with you but cant.. our offense isnt the problem that they were in the beginning of the year .. .........

.i really really hate to criticize power athletes that are tougher and more talented than i could ever imagine,, but some of these defensive backs just dont have the skills that the recievers have..

the dallas defense backs are getting burned , field goal kicker is so unreliable that 4th and long is looking good..


Field position is key and the battle for it is underrated IMO. Everyone talks about overall defense and overall offense and all of that, but the field position battle is HUMONGOUS in deciding a football game. That's why you see coach's running kickers out on 4th and short and kicking it deep on 4th and inches.


wow.. ya know... football is much more complicated than some folks think.. there is so much strategy going on.. and the players...catching a football over your shoulder .. looking back .. with a HELMENT on .. :lol: its just incredible.. i love football .. but am not too much a fan of certain players anymore..


No doubt about it. The athleticism that these guys show is down right NASTY. These are defiantly special specimens. Good call on receivers catching the ball over your shoulder. To me, the go-route was ALWAYS the most difficult catch to make. #1, your in position to where the defender is taking away your body and # 2 in most cases, you can't use your body. The hardest part is determining where the ball is going to calculate in the air. When it's hung up there like a punt, you simply just got to trust your QB to put it on your inside or outside shoulder and that's nerve racking. I def appreciate what these guys do and how they do it at the speed that they show. Unreal!
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:19 pm

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larryfromnextdoor wrote:
wow.. ya know... football is much more complicated than some folks think.. there is so much strategy going on.. and the players...catching a football over your shoulder .. looking back .. with a HELMENT on .. :lol: its just incredible.. i love football .. but am not too much a fan of certain players anymore..



Look at the bright side...your team will have a new coach next season and that can't hurt. Unfortunately for Cowboys fans, your owner is a complete dope who doesn't understand how to keep his nose off the field. Because of that, Dallas will never attract a top tier coach, and if they do, those guys won't stay. As soon as they figure out that Jones can't control himself, they'll go the way of Bill Parcells.


im going to call you here.. i just dont think so .. every interview points to Wade being the coach..

listen .. say Jones wants a new coach.. whos out there??? how many head coaches are going to get the axe this year?? 1 already.. another 2 or 3?.. do you want a college coach coming in ? or someone that knows your system allready..

Jason Garrett.? hes got enough going on .. Campo is there, but hes the ex head coach.. :lol: ...

we have Romo that sill hasnt blossomed.. and Wade is the only one that knows him..

i dont know.. but if Wade get torched.. its going to be a big deal around here..
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:28 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:[No doubt about it. The athleticism that these guys show is down right NASTY. These are defiantly special specimens. Good call on receivers catching the ball over your shoulder. To me, the go-route was ALWAYS the most difficult catch to make. #1, your in position to where the defender is taking away your body and # 2 in most cases, you can't use your body. The hardest part is determining where the ball is going to calculate in the air. When it's hung up there like a punt, you simply just got to trust your QB to put it on your inside or outside shoulder and that's nerve racking. I def appreciate what these guys do and how they do it at the speed that they show. Unreal!


you played up till a few years ago , right?

get this .. i havent played since the 6 th grade.. i loved football ,, but i got hit big one time .. knocked the wind out of me.. had a big bump on my forarm,, i quit and got a paper route.. :lol: i aint kidding .. I QUITE!!! dont hit me ,, no more..
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:33 pm

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listen .. say Jones wants a new coach.. whos out there???


There are plenty of guys out there. Shanahan, Holmgren, Cowher, and the list goes on and on. I think all of those guys are too strong of personalities to deal with an owner like Jones.

larryfromnextdoor wrote: do you want a college coach coming in ? or someone that knows your system allready..


The system goes with the coach, so that's not really a point to even consider. Any coach is going to bring in his own system, and as far as I can tell, there haven't been any "systems" working in Dallas in almost 15 years!

larryfromnextdoor wrote:i dont know.. but if Wade get torched.. its going to be a big deal around here..


Really? Dallas fans are really this dopey that they have an allegiance to one of the biggest buffoons in the NFL? If that's the case, then Dallas football fans are complete dopes. Listen, this is a guy who has never won anything. He's got fired from EVERY job he's ever had. He's giving interviews to the Dallas media talking about how great of a coach he is and how great his record is. I challenge you to name one single coach, EVER, who has ever done something so fucking moronic...name one! Hell, when Dallas played the Patriots during their run three or four years ago, I remember watching Wade's interviews the week of the game. He actually said their strategy was to make Tom Brady beat them. Those were actually his words. It was sooooo ridiculous that he would even consider having that as a "strategy", let alone announcing it publically, as if Brady was some unknown, wet behind the ears QB. I believe New England went out and stomped the FraudBoys, and Brady threw at least 3 TD's Great strategy, "coach". You guys in Dallas are in a whole lot of trouble if you're planning "Don't fire Wade" rallies!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:37 pm

Another punt return for a TD... is this the year of the kick/punt return or what? It seems like there are way more this year than other years... or am I imagining this? What's up with special teams coverage around the league this year?
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:41 pm

Enigma869 wrote:Really? Dallas fans are really this dopey that they have an allegiance to one of the biggest buffoons in the NFL? If that's the case, then Dallas football fans are complete dopes. Listen, this is a guy who has never won anything. He's got fired from EVERY job he's ever had. He's giving interviews to the Dallas media talking about how great of a coach he is and how great his record is. I challenge you to name one single coach, EVER, who has ever done something so fucking moronic...name one! Hell, when Dallas played the Patriots during their run three or four years ago, I remember watching Wade's interviews the week of the game. He actually said their strategy was to make Tom Brady beat them. Those were actually his words. It was sooooo ridiculous that he would even consider having that as a "strategy", let alone announcing it publically, as if Brady was some unknown, wet behind the ears QB. I believe New England went out and stomped the FraudBoys, and Brady threw at least 3 TD's Great strategy, "coach". You guys in Dallas are in a whole lot of trouble if you're planning "Don't fire Wade" rallies!


oh no no .. i think most fans dont appreciate him.. but they are comfortable with him..

ok ... answer this .. Jerry Jones wants a winning team with the idea that in a few years he was going to build and open up a state of the art football stadium.. Jones is a smart business man with Superbowls under his belt.. he knows what he wants.. ..........................if Wade is such a loser.. then why was he hired ..? who could answer that ?
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Postby X factor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:43 pm

But honestly...How bout dem SAINTS?????
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:46 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:if Wade is such a loser.. then why was he hired ..? who could answer that ?


It's actually not that complex of a question. Wade is a guy who will let Jerry do exactly what he wants to do and that's what Jerry wants. I promise you that Jerry has a whole lot of input into every gameplan, and that would NEVER be the case with a strong head coach.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:46 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:[No doubt about it. The athleticism that these guys show is down right NASTY. These are defiantly special specimens. Good call on receivers catching the ball over your shoulder. To me, the go-route was ALWAYS the most difficult catch to make. #1, your in position to where the defender is taking away your body and # 2 in most cases, you can't use your body. The hardest part is determining where the ball is going to calculate in the air. When it's hung up there like a punt, you simply just got to trust your QB to put it on your inside or outside shoulder and that's nerve racking. I def appreciate what these guys do and how they do it at the speed that they show. Unreal!


you played up till a few years ago , right?

get this .. i havent played since the 6 th grade.. i loved football ,, but i got hit big one time .. knocked the wind out of me.. had a big bump on my forarm,, i quit and got a paper route.. :lol: i aint kidding .. I QUITE!!! dont hit me ,, no more..


Yeah, I'm actually in training now and was going to be a part of a semi-pro team before they went under after 13 years due to field complaints on Youngstown's Field. I'm staying put since we are going to merge with a Pittsburgh team, but it won't be til late next season and my health care is low so I'm working on that and have major training time to get to where I need to be. Football is def. a sport that is down right collision. If you have one ounce of fear on the field then you might as well quit because you'll get your block knocked off and get splattered into the 31st century. :lol: As far as getting the wind knocked out, the worst is landing on the football. It feels like a machete digging into your chest cavity, esp in the cold! :x Prog can verify this, but he was a lineman. Lineman are no-no's when dealing with a football. :lol:
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:48 pm

X factor wrote:But honestly...How bout dem SAINTS?????


why does a guy in Kentucky care about the Saints? :lol:

listen .. i have a big announcement for ya.. Saints winning streak to come to a

end next week .. its going to be ugly.. 8)

.. thank you .. ill be here all week .. enjoy the veal.. 8)
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:51 pm

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why does a guy in Kentucky care about the Saints? :lol:



Aside from horses, there isn't much going on in Kentucky when it comes to "sports", so a guy has to adopt a team, right?
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Postby portland » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:52 pm

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larryfromnextdoor wrote:
why does a guy in Kentucky care about the Saints? :lol:



Aside from horses, there isn't much going on in Kentucky when it comes to "sports", so a guy has to adopt a team, right?



Love the horses!!! Derby time rocks!!!
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Love the horses!!! Derby time rocks!!!


Looks like we'll finally disagree on something. Horse racing is about as riveting to me as auto racing, and that's definitely not a good thing.
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