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Postby Monker » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:02 am

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ScarabGator wrote:although I didnt see the final tour for him I did see him numerous times in the mid 2000's. I thought he was great on stage. Hell, my entire party thought he sounded great!


I don't want to rag on him because I like him, but honestly, yours and my concert experience differ greatly- I saw him at the Gorge during one of his earliest tours (with Foreigner when Lou was still there). When Augeri went for the high B note in "Don't Stop Believin'" ('somewhere in the niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight'), he did it with this airy falsetto that just did not cut it at all. It had no balls, and the pitch was horrendous. I was really let down by it actually, but I supported Steve until the very end. I still do. Even supported him through TG. I could TOTALLY see how that situation could've happened. I felt sorry as Hell for him during that time. He just wasn't up to it vocally. His sense of live pitch was also not great as I've mentioned a million times. I figured he must've just had a bad night at that Gorge show... Then I heard subsequent boots (of which I have many) and his pitch and power just never improved. The fact is that his voice was not up to touring doing Journey's material and that was proven. It's too bad that it was proven in public with such a humiliating circumstance. As for stage mannerisms, to me he came off too laid back for Journey. Journey needs a front guy that's more engaging. Having said that, the guy is one of the classiest 'stars' to ever come along. A really good guy. It just wasn't a good live gig for him. The albums were great though.

With Arnel (yeah, you knew I'd go there)- I've heard him sing pretty much everything that Augeri had to sing with the exception of some Generations and Arrival tracks. As a vocalist, I'm a lot more impressed by what AP brings to the party. Accent issues aside, (and I think many are exaggerating those things) the guy's voice is flat out huge and it's got balls to match. He's singing THE toughest catalog in rock and doing it much better than either of his predecessors could hope (not talking about Perry here- settle down Portland!). I've also heard him sing other stuff that just is amazing. "Alone" by Heart? Are you kidding me??? The lyrics might've not been translated corectly, but the notes most certainly were. Arnel got my respect the second I heard about him and watched those clips. I KNEW that he'd be good for Journey and Neal Schon was no fool to contact him immediately. That has been proven in spades.

The media LOVES this guy. They love his story. They love that he's taken Journey up a notch from where it had fallen. That is great for Journey- which by the way, is also not bad for Perry or Augeri either. What's good for Journey is good for them.

I'll say it again- Just because Perry ain't here, doesn't mean you can't love what Arnel brings to Journey. Arnel is taking nothing away from Perry (or Augeri). He's good enough to make his own name. Yeah yeah... without Perry there'd be no Arnel. No kidding. That has nothing to do with it. The guy IS a killer singer and he gets my respect just for that.


So right. Arnel's vocals live are really flat-out amazing plus his engaging presence on stage. And before anyone goes on and on how he jumps around too much. , most of those people didn't see him this year. I didn't mind it last year, but he definitely toned it down as he settled into this tour and had a lot more confidence deeper in, and his energy level on stage this year was perfect and always with a great smile.


At times he is, but at other times, he's not. He absolutely sucks at Faithfully...and Augeri's version was awesome. They gained in some areas, and lost in others. As for the stage, Arnel is average at best...unless you are in the first 10 rows or so. You can't understand a damn word the guy speaks...accent or sound set up, I don't know, but it sucks. He runs around like a jack rabbit - so what. At least Augeri and JSS engaged the entire crowd. Over all, I don't think they gained anything vocaly or as a frontman between Augeri, JSS, and Arnel. Different strengths, different weaknesses, and it all evens out.
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Postby Monker » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:15 am

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Gunbot wrote:I wonder how many Journey songs he will include in the setlist? I would think at least two or three.


I think we may all be in for a surprise.

He's said before that he considered himself more Robert Plant-ish than Perry-ish before the Journey gig came along; he also mentioned at Firefest last year to some of us talking in the bar that his solo stuff seemed to him to be coming out pretty different from either Tall Stories or Journey.

Bring it on, whatever it is; I couldn't be happier for him, and can't wait to be there -- front row.


I have heard him say that many times, and when listening to Tall Stories you hear a little more that in his vocal style. But he sang differently for Journey. And everything I have heard him do since Journey still sounds, to me, like his Journey voice. I truly want HIS voice not his "Journey voice".

I am really looking forward to a solo CD from Steve and if he does a club tour in the US I will make every effort to make it out to see him. He did struggle with Journey. In the beginning he seemed timid, it took him forever to "warm up". Under The Radar seemed to be Steve and Journey at their best. Then the strain of the catalog and (I assume) the singing not in his natural voice really started to affect his vocals. Please Stevie, share YOUR voice again!


I don't think his own songs with Journey were out of his range. They were very well suited to his voice. More so the Perry songs were tough on him.


Unfortunately the band never truly supported the Augeri-era in the live setting...


Unfortunately, they never took the time off the road to both give Augeri a rest, and to record a decent followup to Arrival. THAT is what really hurt both Augeri and the band, in the end.

Back when Neal said they were taking 2010 off, I said two things : Yeah, until another package deal comes around, and watch for a new Neal solo project. BOTH are supposedly happening. So much for a year off...can't lose that $'s from touring.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:15 am

Here's the way I see it (from best to worst):

Stage presence: Augeri, Pineda, Soto

Vocal acrobatics: Pineda, Soto, Augeri

Vocal mistakes (From worst to best): Pineda, Augeri, Soto

Vocal consistency: Soto, Augeri, Pineda

Like Monker said, all have strengths and all have weaknesses.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:48 am

Saint John wrote:Here's the way I see it (from best to worst):

Stage presence: Augeri, Pineda, Soto


hmm interesting. I'd be tempted to say JSS has the best stage presence--maybe not the best stage presence for Journey, but the best stage presence. By far the best at improvs, and working the audience. He's also by far performed the most concerts, so no surprise. Totally different style of working the stage than Perry/Augeri/Pineda, but he owns the stage when he's up there.

I've seen Augeri when he was mesmerizing, and I've also seen him fade into the background more than once (moreso once he started having vocal issues). He may just be a little too relaxed on stage a lot of the time.

Pineda's stage presence tends to work more on the sheer joy that he radiates more than anything else. It's hard to hate someone who is having THAT much fun up there, and it works in his favor. From a pure technical stage presence point of view, he's getting better. Working a large stage is totally different than a nightclub, and what works in one situation doesn't necessarily translate. He's learning--as did Augeri.




Saint John wrote:Vocal acrobatics: Pineda, Soto, Augeri


probably, although JSS is the most challenged by range. See more on this later. Pineda experiments with different melodies a lot, sometimes with better results than others. Augeri didn't change things up much, and pretty much stuck to the studio notes. JSS was somewhere in the middle. He didn't do a lot of high notes (ie acrobatics), but did change the melodies every now and then.




Saint John wrote:Vocal mistakes (From worst to best): Pineda, Augeri, Soto


Vocal consistency: Soto, Augeri, Pineda



I think these sorta go hand in hand. Considering JSS only did one tour, you'd have to use Augeri circa 1998-99 for comparison--and he was pretty consistent at that time. It was only 2004 and forward when Augeri started having real issues.

JSS was very consistent (as you might expect from someone who was used to touring), but I have never heard what I would call a "great vocal night" from him. Sure, he put on a great show and had a lot of energy, but from a pure vocal rating, both Augeri and Pineda were much more suited for the catalogue. No surprise. JSS always sounded to me like he was singing at the top end of his range, and I have yet to hear a recording of Keep on Running where he sounded anything other than horribly strained on the chorus. Likewise on a lot of the higher Perry notes. Doesn't mean he isn't a great singer, just not well suited for a lot of early Perry material.



Saint John wrote:Like Monker said, all have strengths and all have weaknesses.


No doubt.
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Postby Jana » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:01 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
Saint John wrote:Here's the way I see it (from best to worst):

Stage presence: Augeri, Pineda, Soto


hmm interesting. I'd be tempted to say JSS has the best stage presence--maybe not the best stage presence for Journey, but the best stage presence. By far the best at improvs, and working the audience. He's also by far performed the most concerts, so no surprise. Totally different style of working the stage than Perry/Augeri/Pineda, but he owns the stage when he's up there.

I've seen Augeri when he was mesmerizing, and I've also seen him fade into the background more than once (moreso once he started having vocal issues). He may just be a little too relaxed on stage a lot of the time.

Pineda's stage presence tends to work more on the sheer joy that he radiates more than anything else. It's hard to hate someone who is having THAT much fun up there, and it works in his favor. From a pure technical stage presence point of view, he's getting better. Working a large stage is totally different than a nightclub, and what works in one situation doesn't necessarily translate. He's learning--as did Augeri.




Saint John wrote:Vocal acrobatics: Pineda, Soto, Augeri


probably, although JSS is the most challenged by range. See more on this later. Pineda experiments with different melodies a lot, sometimes with better results than others. Augeri didn't change things up much, and pretty much stuck to the studio notes. JSS was somewhere in the middle. He didn't do a lot of high notes (ie acrobatics), but did change the melodies every now and then.




Saint John wrote:Vocal mistakes (From worst to best): Pineda, Augeri, Soto


Vocal consistency: Soto, Augeri, Pineda



I think these sorta go hand in hand. Considering JSS only did one tour, you'd have to use Augeri circa 1998-99 for comparison--and he was pretty consistent at that time. It was only 2004 and forward when Augeri started having real issues.

JSS was very consistent (as you might expect from someone who was used to touring), but I have never heard what I would call a "great vocal night" from him. Sure, he put on a great show and had a lot of energy, but from a pure vocal rating, both Augeri and Pineda were much more suited for the catalogue. No surprise. JSS always sounded to me like he was singing at the top end of his range, and I have yet to hear a recording of Keep on Running where he sounded anything other than horribly strained on the chorus. Likewise on a lot of the higher Perry notes. Doesn't mean he isn't a great singer, just not well suited for a lot of early Perry material.



Saint John wrote:Like Monker said, all have strengths and all have weaknesses.


No doubt.


Great post.
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Postby xflajrnylvr » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:15 am

Jana wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
Saint John wrote:Here's the way I see it (from best to worst):

Stage presence: Augeri, Pineda, Soto


hmm interesting. I'd be tempted to say JSS has the best stage presence--maybe not the best stage presence for Journey, but the best stage presence. By far the best at improvs, and working the audience. He's also by far performed the most concerts, so no surprise. Totally different style of working the stage than Perry/Augeri/Pineda, but he owns the stage when he's up there.

I've seen Augeri when he was mesmerizing, and I've also seen him fade into the background more than once (moreso once he started having vocal issues). He may just be a little too relaxed on stage a lot of the time.

Pineda's stage presence tends to work more on the sheer joy that he radiates more than anything else. It's hard to hate someone who is having THAT much fun up there, and it works in his favor. From a pure technical stage presence point of view, he's getting better. Working a large stage is totally different than a nightclub, and what works in one situation doesn't necessarily translate. He's learning--as did Augeri.




Saint John wrote:Vocal acrobatics: Pineda, Soto, Augeri


probably, although JSS is the most challenged by range. See more on this later. Pineda experiments with different melodies a lot, sometimes with better results than others. Augeri didn't change things up much, and pretty much stuck to the studio notes. JSS was somewhere in the middle. He didn't do a lot of high notes (ie acrobatics), but did change the melodies every now and then.




Saint John wrote:Vocal mistakes (From worst to best): Pineda, Augeri, Soto


Vocal consistency: Soto, Augeri, Pineda



I think these sorta go hand in hand. Considering JSS only did one tour, you'd have to use Augeri circa 1998-99 for comparison--and he was pretty consistent at that time. It was only 2004 and forward when Augeri started having real issues.

JSS was very consistent (as you might expect from someone who was used to touring), but I have never heard what I would call a "great vocal night" from him. Sure, he put on a great show and had a lot of energy, but from a pure vocal rating, both Augeri and Pineda were much more suited for the catalogue. No surprise. JSS always sounded to me like he was singing at the top end of his range, and I have yet to hear a recording of Keep on Running where he sounded anything other than horribly strained on the chorus. Likewise on a lot of the higher Perry notes. Doesn't mean he isn't a great singer, just not well suited for a lot of early Perry material.



Saint John wrote:Like Monker said, all have strengths and all have weaknesses.


No doubt.


Great post.


+1 very well put
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Re: Anyone check SteveAugeri.com?

Postby Enigma869 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:59 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:Just had the thought to check SteveAugeri.com. I wasn't expecting to see what it read since I haven't heard TOO much on him lately. World Tour in '10, SWEET! Who's there?

http://www.steveaugeri.com/



Let's hope that he leaves the tapes behind this time :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Anyone check SteveAugeri.com?

Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:00 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:Just had the thought to check SteveAugeri.com. I wasn't expecting to see what it read since I haven't heard TOO much on him lately. World Tour in '10, SWEET! Who's there?

http://www.steveaugeri.com/



Let's hope that he leaves the tapes behind this time :shock: :shock: :shock:


Cheap shot alert !

Well hey, I guess it's fair... I mean Neal didn't even know about it :lol:
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Postby DrFU » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:57 am

Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?
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Postby RocknRoll » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:14 am

DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


I'm looking for a report too since apparently Jon and Madison Cain were there.
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Postby DrFU » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:10 am

RocknRoll wrote:
DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


I'm looking for a report too since apparently Jon and Madison Cain were there.


and Neal's myspace update says he's in New York ... :shock:
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Postby RocknRoll » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:22 am

DrFU wrote:
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DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


I'm looking for a report too since apparently Jon and Madison Cain were there.


and Neal's myspace update says he's in New York ... :shock:


Hmmm... must be a conspiracy theory out there somewhere.
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:53 am

DrFU wrote:
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DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


I'm looking for a report too since apparently Jon and Madison Cain were there.


and Neal's myspace update says he's in New York ... :shock:


honeymoon? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:34 am

Neal was not there.



SET LIST
OPENING VIDEO
JOY - Band
FEDEX GAG
RUN RUDOLPH RUN - Glen & Band
WANNA BE STARTIN CHRISTMAS - Glen, Fiona Flanagan, Lisa Bouchelle, Steve Augeri, & Tommy DeCarlo
GRINCH - Mark Sacco
XMAS IS KICKING IN - Everett Bradley
STAR CAROL - Bob Burger
SANTA BABY - Lisa Bouchelle
COOL YULE - April Smith
JINGLE BELLS - Xettes
WHERE ARE YOU CHRISTMAS? - Madison Cain
WE SEND OUR LOVE - Jonathan & Madison Cain
THE CHRISTMAS SONG - Steve Augeri
I CAN'T WAIT TIL CHRISTMAS DAY - Tommy DeCarlo
ALL I WANT FOR XMAS IS MY 2 FRONT TEETH - Jordan Reid
ROCKIN' AROUND THE XMAS TREE - Sedona Micale
WINTER WONDERLAND - Jersey Kidz
HAVE YOURSELF A MERRY LITTLE XMAS - Mary Lee Kortes
O COME ALL YE FAITHFUL - Willie Nile
DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR? - Spiraling
************************************
INTERMISSION
************************************
SANTA, SHE RETURNS - Erin Hill
CHRISTMAS WRAPPING - Mark Sacco
I'LL BE HOME FOR XMAS - Fiona Flanagan
CHRISTMASTIME IS HERE - Faith Hahn
XX09 SANTA w/ elves - Chuck Buck
BACKDOOR SANTA - Matt O'Ree
XMAS MEDLEY / COME THIS TIME NEXT YEAR - Burtnix
O HOLY NIGHT - Tony Shanahan
ALL I WANT FOR XMAS IZ U - Kimmie
FATHER XMAS - Jody Porter
WHAT CHILD IS THIS - Glen & Band
FINALE: HAPPY XMAS (WAR IS OVER) - Everyone
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Postby marco17 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:35 am

So far the only vid from the Xmas show on YouTube that Steve appears in.... Steve enters and sings very briefly at about 1:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzJipXhKgEk
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Postby MCC620 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:59 am

DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


sorry linda just got in from a weekend in the city with friends from out of town....

glen's xtravaganza is always a great time! steve sang the christmas song and, as usual, the audience just loved him. unfortunately the snow kept away marshal crenshaw and patty smith and some others, but glen and his awesome friends made the night totally worthwhile for those of us who braved the blizzard of '09!

glen burtnik and steve augeri are two of the nicest, most giving guys in the business, they arent looking for recognition or to promote themselves, they do it totally from their hearts, as do all the "usual suspects" who entertain us every year! 8)

looking forward to the 20th annual xtravaganza next year! :D
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Postby Saint John » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:07 am

Good to see that Jonathan Cain attended. That guy, like other mebers of Journey past and presnt, did a lot for charity this year. Steve (the sane one) did JTTC and this event, present-day Journey did 2 charity shows(one to start the tour and one to end it), Neal did the relief show in The Phillipines and Perry did the Dodgers charity. All good people (even Perry :lol: ).
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Postby marco17 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:09 am

Maria.... out of curiosity, was there any interaction between Steve and J. Cain?
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Postby Jana » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:20 am

MCC620 wrote:
DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


sorry linda just got in from a weekend in the city with friends from out of town....

glen's xtravaganza is always a great time! steve sang the christmas song and, as usual, the audience just loved him. unfortunately the snow kept away marshal crenshaw and patty smith and some others, but glen and his awesome friends made the night totally worthwhile for those of us who braved the blizzard of '09!

glen burtnik and steve augeri are two of the nicest, most giving guys in the business, they arent looking for recognition or to promote themselves, they do it totally from their hearts, as do all the "usual suspects" who entertain us every year! 8)

looking forward to the 20th annual xtravaganza next year! :D


what about Cain and his daughter?
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Postby DrFU » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:57 am

MCC620 wrote:
DrFU wrote:Paging Maria ...

How was the Christmas Xtravaganza last night?


sorry linda just got in from a weekend in the city with friends from out of town....

glen's xtravaganza is always a great time! steve sang the christmas song and, as usual, the audience just loved him. unfortunately the snow kept away marshal crenshaw and patty smith and some others, but glen and his awesome friends made the night totally worthwhile for those of us who braved the blizzard of '09!

glen burtnik and steve augeri are two of the nicest, most giving guys in the business, they arent looking for recognition or to promote themselves, they do it totally from their hearts, as do all the "usual suspects" who entertain us every year! 8)

looking forward to the 20th annual xtravaganza next year! :D


Thanks Maria! Every year I swear I am going to go to this but I put off planning until plane tickets are too high. Next year I will do better. Glad you had a great time and that you made it through the snow okay.
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Here's Madison's performance

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Postby marco17 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:30 am

Here's SA's performance... "The Christmas Song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjOdfogKZY
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Re: Here's Madison's performance

Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:56 am

Lerxst101 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673GvGuXOjI&feature=related


was Jonathan playing?
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:57 am

marco17 wrote:Here's SA's performance... "The Christmas Song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjOdfogKZY



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Postby Jana » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:03 am

marco17 wrote:Here's SA's performance... "The Christmas Song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjOdfogKZY


Soulful performance as always. 8) Sounding and lookin' good. :wink:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:11 am

SA sounds great.
Compare this rendition to the one from 2 years ago, and it's obvious he's found his voice again.
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Postby Jana » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:17 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:SA sounds great.
Compare this rendition to the one from 2 years ago, and it's obvious he's found his voice again.


Seeing him really work at getting his voice back and having still such a love of singing, just even to want to do a single performance, makes me think of Perry and don't get that he wouldn't like to do something like this all these years, not only for doing it for a good cause, but also for the pure joy of it as a singer.
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Postby DrFU » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:17 am

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:
marco17 wrote:Here's SA's performance... "The Christmas Song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjOdfogKZY



8)


Holy crap.

I <3 SA.
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Postby portland » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:34 am

Jana wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:SA sounds great.
Compare this rendition to the one from 2 years ago, and it's obvious he's found his voice again.


Seeing him really work at getting his voice back and having still such a love of singing, just even to want to do a single performance, makes me think of Perry and don't get that he wouldn't like to do something like this all these years, not only for doing it for a good cause, but also for the pure joy of it as a singer.




I agree...... :(
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Postby Luvsaugeri » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:43 pm

Jana wrote:
marco17 wrote:Here's SA's performance... "The Christmas Song"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjOdfogKZY


Soulful performance as always. 8) Sounding and lookin' good. :wink:


Agreed 110%!!!
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