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Postby WykkedSensation » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:33 am

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fredinator wrote:Why is Journey such an unknown in the UK? Seriously? I thought the UK and US were pretty in synch with music. I have read that Journey did

They're not unknown, they're at number 9 in the charts! This is on the back of the kids hearing an x factor contestant sing DSB and then checking out the original. Is this what us old fart are always banging on about - kids listening to some decent music for a change.

It is a myth that Journey are unknown in the UK. Had they played here in the 80's they would have sold out wherever they wanted to play.


Forget about X-Factor for a moment. Besides Ireland, where else in Europe has Journey been getting airplay over the last 20 years (Besides the Karaoke pubs)? I rarely hear them on BBC Radio, or the Danish Stations, even on the classic rock segments.



Bingo!!! Right on the money Gunbot.

It is NOT a myth at all that Journey are unknown in the UK, it's completely true, or was.
Before all this X factor malarkey the average music fan over here had never heard of the band. Never played on radio. Never played in clubs except for specialist rock clubs who specialise in AOR/Melodic rock.

As for ''if they had played here in the 80's they would have sold out wherever they wanted to play'' is complete rubbish. No one knew of them. They could have supported sure, but sell out their own tour? absolutely no chance. How could they when they were fairly unknown. No hit singles whatsoever, and pretty much zero album sales. Not a myth at all.
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Postby Duncan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:02 am

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fredinator wrote:Why is Journey such an unknown in the UK? Seriously? I thought the UK and US were pretty in synch with music. I have read that Journey did

They're not unknown, they're at number 9 in the charts! This is on the back of the kids hearing an x factor contestant sing DSB and then checking out the original. Is this what us old fart are always banging on about - kids listening to some decent music for a change.

It is a myth that Journey are unknown in the UK. Had they played here in the 80's they would have sold out wherever they wanted to play.


Forget about X-Factor for a moment. Besides Ireland, where else in Europe has Journey been getting airplay over the last 20 years (Besides the Karaoke pubs)? I rarely hear them on BBC Radio, or the Danish Stations, even on the classic rock segments.



Bingo!!! Right on the money Gunbot.

Don't agree. What has airplay got to do with it? How much airplay have the likes of Foreigner, Survivor, Reo, Styx, Quiet Riot etc had. You can add to that Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath Deep Purple etc. Nobody who plays " Classic rock" gets airtime. That doesn't mean people don't know about these bands. Journey had a huge following in the 80's and they got tons of magazine coverage. I can upload UK magazine coverage of both the Escape and Frontiers tours if you like. Journey were no different to any of these bands. You can say rock bands are unknown, but you can't single Journey out. They are and have always been as well known as any other band of the that genre.
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Postby Duncan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:40 am

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Gunbot wrote:If for some reason, the retread version was released, all it would do would be to cause confusion as most people would download the version that 's on Itunes which is the Sony version. The two versions are so similar, people would just assume the version they were downloading was the one being played on the radio. If the retread got any sales, it would just keep the original version from charting as high. Two different record companies means their sales totals will be counted separately even though they are both technically Journey. The reason DSB is charting right now is because of X-FACTOR. If they had released a cover of it with Joe then you might have seen two versions in the top ten. Rage still would have hit number one though as both versions of DSB would more than likely have cut into each others sales.


I disagree. Everyone I know whos heard it-and not even die hard Journey fans-asked immediately " is that Journey??? Doesnt sound right..."


Dude, we're talking England. A lot of People over there think Augeri is Journey's original lead singer, as the band had not even toured there prior to him joining.


I got a buddy from England. Although he talks funny hes a hell of an intelligent fella. Can even write out the entire name of the liquor store on his check!


What I'm saying is Journey has never been a house hold name In England, more like a faceless band. I think DSB and Who's Crying Now are the only songs to chart over there. It's not exactly Journey country.


The music heritage over here is dire! They worship people like The Smiths and Paul Weller and don't even give a second thought to bands like Journey. We are definetly in a country where everyone just jumps on the bandwaggon. Midless sheep. God I hate the music here!!! It's all about who has an attitude, where the true songwriters get ignored. Pete Docherty is a perfect example over here. 99% of British people cound't even name a song by him yet he's a household name because he's a bum and is 'raw'. If you havent seen him check out a live video of him on youtube and curl into a ball! ewwwww "shudder"...


Well fuck off back to wherever you came from then.


Where? England? I think you missed my point. Either that or you have turrets.

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Sounds like I did miss your point, but if you refer to your own countrymen as "they" it does infer that that you are not one of them.

I actually get your point and agree with it to an extent, but you can't tar everyone with the same brush, believe the UK is no worse than the US. You may not like the Smiths, Paul Weller or Babyshambles but the fact of the matter is all three write and play their own music. You might not like the music they produce, but they deserve respect for creating their own art.

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Postby Chubby321 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:04 pm

Journey is well known in the UK (but no commercial success until now) and DSB is a very popular song, below are Download articles/reviews.

There's no denying that Arnel, in part, has something to do with the new found success of Journey.


Journey prove MOR has a place at Donington
Download 2009 Review
Wednesday 17th June 2009

There are certainly no end of Journey fans in the crowd given the amount of T- shirts I've seen around site.

'Don't Stop Believing' is always a crowd pleaser and was their best known song here long before it accompanied the gunning down of The Sopranos. Pineda added his own additional sing along bits to the end of it and despite the heat of the pit no one wanted the performance to end. But end it did to the sing along dance along 'Anyway You Want It'.

http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/d ... rney.shtml


There’s something about hearing a field filled with people singing ‘Don’t Stop Believing’ that still makes my heart smile. The whole experience was absolutely nothing short of magical.
http://musicouch.com/live-music/music-f ... view-2009/

I wasn't too sure how they’d be received by the Download crowd but after a damn good sing along to 'Don't Stop Believing' I had every faith in them getting a standing ovation had any of the crowd actually been sat down.
http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/d ... view.shtml

Journey arrived to deliver an absolute classic rock performance in the sun.
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/n ... ticle.html

Of course, where some bands are best enjoyed with a casual round of applause and an approving nod, others demanding ball-splittingly loud audience participation at every possible opportunity. Journey are one such band, and with relatively new vocalist Arnel Pineda in tow – a man whose lungs seem to be bigger than he is – they provide one of the most memorable moments of the weekend courtesy of an emphatically-received 'Don't Stop Believin''.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:27 pm

jrny84 wrote:Yeah, I never understood why Journey was never really popular in the UK. For some reason they just never embraced or understood Journey like the U.S., Asia, and Canada did. Such a shame too.



Has a lot to do with Journey never touring there and trying to build it up in the early 80s. They did the US and Japan, and pretty much called it quits there.

That being said, there are a lot of bands that were popular in the US and never made it in the UK...and visa versa. It wasn't just Journey. For every band that broke through into/out of the UK, there were a bunch that didn't.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:57 pm

In my humble opinion if Journey had toured here on the back of Escape, and the subsequent albums EVERYBODY would have been a fan.
As it was, they neglected us in the UK. Therefore they did not become well known here.
Their decision not to tour and publicise themselves, their loss. Or rather MY loss 'cos I never saw Perry live.

Until the recent resurgence of DSB because of The Sopranos and now the dreaded X Factor if you mentioned Journey to the average Brit they would have said "oh I love them! More Than A Feeling was a great song"

We got hardly any newspaper/magazine articles about them and no tv coverage.
Radio airplay hardly ever happens.
And until I got internet access I knew very little about them.

They only had two chart hits here.
I heard them on the radio back then and bought their albums after that.
I used to read the music press weekly and although there was scant coverage about album releases I did manage to find out when albums were coming out.

But you had to search for a mention of Journey with a magnifying glass.

SP's "Oh Sherrie" video was played on Top of The Pops and that was the first time I knew what he really looked like.

Re Gunbot's comment about DSB not being released as the X Factor winner's song, it was in the Press here two/three weeks ago that Simon Cowell wanted the song to be released by the show winner and planned to do so "once certain legal issues had been ironed out."
The winners song was not DSB so I can only assume that Simon Cowell's lawyers hit some kind of legal blockage.

I'm glad I discovered Journey.
I wish they had been more well known here, but because they aren't as well known as bands like Bon Jovi for example, I kind of feel that they are my little secret and I selfishly kind of like it that the masses aren't into them.
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Postby RobbieG » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:13 am

Gunbot wrote:
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Gunbot wrote:If for some reason, the retread version was released, all it would do would be to cause confusion as most people would download the version that 's on Itunes which is the Sony version. The two versions are so similar, people would just assume the version they were downloading was the one being played on the radio. If the retread got any sales, it would just keep the original version from charting as high. Two different record companies means their sales totals will be counted separately even though they are both technically Journey. The reason DSB is charting right now is because of X-FACTOR. If they had released a cover of it with Joe then you might have seen two versions in the top ten. Rage still would have hit number one though as both versions of DSB would more than likely have cut into each others sales.


I disagree. Everyone I know whos heard it-and not even die hard Journey fans-asked immediately " is that Journey??? Doesnt sound right..."


Dude, we're talking England. A lot of People over there think Augeri is Journey's original lead singer, as the band had not even toured there prior to him joining.


F.Y. I. Gunbot Journey last toured the UK with Steve Perry during the Departure tour 1980. ScarabGator :lol:
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Postby RocknRoll » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:30 am

Chubby321 wrote:Journey is well known in the UK (but no commercial success until now) and DSB is a very popular song, below are Download articles/reviews.

There's no denying that Arnel, in part, has something to do with the new found success of Journey.


I dunno Chubby, when Journey finally returned to the UK in 2006 with Augeri, they sold out the Manchester Apollo in 5 days and I believe they added a 2nd sold-out show. I think this is better than they did with AP. All the UK venues were pretty much sold-out that year.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:31 am

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Postby Chubby321 » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:17 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:Journey is well known in the UK (but no commercial success until now) and DSB is a very popular song, below are Download articles/reviews.

There's no denying that Arnel, in part, has something to do with the new found success of Journey.


I dunno Chubby, when Journey finally returned to the UK in 2006 with Augeri, they sold out the Manchester Apollo in 5 days and I believe they added a 2nd sold-out show. I think this is better than they did with AP. All the UK venues were pretty much sold-out that year.


Commercial success does not only pertain to 2 or 3 days of sold out concert of a small venue, you have to look at the overall picture. Where was Journey before (after the Perry era) and where they are now?

Is it only a coincidence that Journey is charting in UK after they hired Arnel? Was the X-factor's performance the sole reason why Journey is charting? Or was it partly because of the exposure and the positive press they received from the Download Festival, Bang Your Head, Kobetasonik, Graspop and Sweden Rock Fest that finally put Journey in the consciousness of many over there?
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Postby Don » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:26 am

No mention of Augeri or Pineda in this writeup or even the picture used in this article. Sopranos seems to be what has brought back the song's appeal to the British masses. If you watch the videos on youtube, its obvious the crowds know the song very well, regardless if Augeri, JSS or Pineda are the one performing it.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/no ... -in-charts

Why is Journey's Don't Stop Believin' back in the charts?


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Cast a glance at this week's midweek top 40, and you'll spot something strange in its upper reaches. Squeezed between Black Eyed Peas' autotuned pop and Calvin Harris's squelchy electro, it sits rather awkwardly – a 28-year-old song, performed by a singer with an odd, trebly voice, and a penchant for snakeskin T-shirts. Nevertheless, Journey's Don't Stop Believin' is the 17th best-selling track in the country this week so far – a song that has gained new life in its middle-age.

This isn't because of Journey's sterling work. The American FM rock bandband –put together in 1973 by former members of Santana – have spent recent years gigging quietly around the world since their US chart pomp more than a quarter of a century ago. Don't Stop Believin's is in this week's charts because of its appearance on last weekend's X Factor. This week, baby-faced beauty Joe McElderry sang the song for the show's Rock Week, and in doing so spoke directly to "smalltown girls" living in "lonely worlds", many of whom picked up their mobiles and kept him in the contest. This gave Steve Perry's classic American narrative about finding hope in the streetlights a new, oestrogen-fuelled twist; it also inspired 7,000 viewers to find the original online, and click "buy".

Still, that isn't the whole story of the song's success. Don't Stop Believin' reentered the public consciousness in 2007, when it was used to soundtrack the final scene of the final episode of The Sopranos, a scene parodied over and over again on American TV and on the web. In 2008, it became the most downloaded 20th century track on the iTunes Music Store. My teenage brother tells me that many a metropolitan nightclub plays it for the last song of the night – without discernible irony – and that he and his friends adore it, without measure.

Two things explain the peculiar contemporary appeal of this song. Firstly, there's an obvious, factual explanation – its presence across mass-market TV shows, which join people together, whatever their age. Songs gaining second lives on the small screen isn't a new thing, admittedly – the first strains of I Heard It On The Grapevine, for instance, still take me back to the moment where I realised I fancied boys, watching Nick Kamen remove his jeans by a washing machine – but in 2009, the internet intensifies this experience. Anyone can remind themselves of special moments soundtracked by particular songs with a few clicks of the mouse, play them repeatedly, and share them with friends. To a generation that has little memory of a world before the web, these are the watercooler moments that people raised in the days of limited TV choice recall wistfully.

Second, it's OK to like power ballads these days: they are no longer the dirty secret of TV-advertised drivetime rock compilations. Earlier this decade, songs by Journey, Foreigner and Boston were classed as guilty pleasures – celebrated with a wry wink, and danced to only archly. But as the consumption of music has changed in the last decade, this uneasy category has lost its appeal. Thank God it has, too. I thank the phenomenon of shuffling mp3 players, bouncing us between styles; the diminishing importance, and relevance, of genre boundaries; and the way in which music has become less about coolness, and much more about unbridled enjoyment.

There is nothing strange about having a place in your heart for music that is improving and challenging, and another for huge, rousing sentiments that make you cry in taxi-cabs, long for a lover, or yearn to sing loudly, and proudly, with those you love most. And that's exactly what Don't Stop Believin' does, for the young and the old, and those who believe music reached its apotheosis with the concept of Adult Oriented Rock.
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Postby Don » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:47 am

Like the article above said, it's not the band 's touring that is promoting the song in the UK. Journey has went from top 15 in 2006, top 20 in to 2008 to completely out of the top 25 for touring in 2009. Cain himself said the DSB phenomenon really started with the Chisox using the song and the big finale for the Sopranos. That translated to the song's awareness over in England where the buying public has know problem pushing older songs back onto the charts. Leo "Freakin" Sayer had one of his 30 year old songs hit #1 over there a few years back just because the night clubs got in the habit of playing it. It had nothing to do with Sayer singing or promoting the song at all. Same case here, except replace night clubs (initially) with Sopranos and you get the same result.

Sopranos = Nightclub Playlist = X-Factor = Chart Success
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Postby Don » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:07 am

I give Augeri major Props for his work on Arrival and Pineda kudos for the outstanding job he did on TDTWT. I see no need to give them credit for the current success of any of Journey's legacy music. The longevity of those songs are more to do with what the original composers and writers of that music managed to create, timeless tunes, as evidenced by the original compositions being the ones that are currently on the charts, not to mention the releases are under a different record label which has had nothing to do with the band's current lineup over the last 5+ years.
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Postby joonrock » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:12 am

RocknRoll wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:Journey is well known in the UK (but no commercial success until now) and DSB is a very popular song, below are Download articles/reviews.

There's no denying that Arnel, in part, has something to do with the new found success of Journey.


I dunno Chubby, when Journey finally returned to the UK in 2006 with Augeri, they sold out the Manchester Apollo in 5 days and I believe they added a 2nd sold-out show. I think this is better than they did with AP. All the UK venues were pretty much sold-out that year.


They only played two uk shows and a UK festival with Augeri. I was at the Manchester Gig.
When they came round with both JSS and Arnel they did more dates on both tours. About 10-12 when Arnel came around the first time if I remeber rightly. They played one or two arenas, but I heard from friends that they were nothing ike a sell out. They only played Donnington the year later though.
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Postby Jana » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:39 am

Gunbot wrote:I give Augeri major Props for his work on Arrival and Pineda kudos for the outstanding job he did on TDTWT. I see no need to give them credit for the current success of any of Journey's legacy music. The longevity of those songs are more to do with what the original composers and writers of that music managed to create, timeless tunes, as evidenced by the original compositions being the ones that are currently on the charts, not to mention the releases are under a different record label which has had nothing to do with the band's current lineup over the last 5+ years.


I agree the current success of DSB has nothing to do with any of the singers after Steve Perry, nor even a GH album with Perry. It actually has to do with the song and the use of it in so many commercial areas that gets it out to the public consciousness nowadays, and I believe the Sopranos is what primarily catapulted it to the heights we're seeing and then being used by others, in movies, these X factor type shows, Glee, on and on. It's like a perfect storm beginning with some publicity briefly with the White Sox and then the huge publicity on the ending scene of the finale of the ultra hip show The Sopranos, the movie with Charlize Theron, etc. It's everywhere and there's a snowball effect with that song.

The fact that Journey keeps touring and has been on many shows this last couple years and that Journey music is being embraced in a big way these days doesn't hurt, but isn't a major contributing factor for DSB. Though, I do feel they bring a lot more interest to the whole catalogue of Journey by being in public eye and the interest in Arnel on Oprah, CBS Early show, Ellen, many people I know were like, wow, Journey, I wondered what happened to them and rekindles an interest in a band they had loved but had forgotten about and music they hadn't pulled out in years and so a lot of the old catalogue bought, esp GH I would assume.
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Postby Chubby321 » Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:40 pm

I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know...."just don't give up, don't stop believing."

The youtube story of Arnel is one of the reasons why many people rediscover Journey.

GQ magazine - He Didn't Stop Believin'
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/2 ... ead-singer

Time Magazine - Journey's YouTube Lead Singer
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0 ... 57,00.html
Last sentence of the article "It's a reminder to all of us: don't stop believing.

Ellen Show
Arnel singing DSB with Zoo band.
Ellen...."let that be lesson to you...don't stop believing."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqMYZLqzyHU

CBS News
The first background song- DSB
The last sentence uttered by Arnel..."don't stop believing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs


Oprah Show - Theme of the day "don't stop believing"
Journey performed Faithfully and guess what, DSB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TocMELvH ... re=related

People's magazine interview
Arnel singing DSB
http://www.people.com/people/videos/0,,20205933,00.html

CNN News to Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5JtVVPJItY
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:59 am

Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know...."just don't give up, don't stop believing."


It's the theme of Joe~Blows life, Chubs...which was probably
the whole idea. Don't we all connect with this song in one way or another?!?
I think I used to have some cheap perfume... :wink:

He does a great job singing it though!!!
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Postby Chubby321 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:18 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know...."just don't give up, don't stop believing."


It's the theme of Joe~Blows life, Chubs...which was probably
the whole idea. Don't we all connect with this song in one way or another?!?
I think I used to have some cheap perfume... :wink:

He does a great job singing it though!!!


:lol: Yes we do/did.

The only point I was trying to make is that, to say that Arnel is no way, no how contributing to the popularity of DSB is a false.
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Postby portland » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:20 am

Chubby321 wrote:
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Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know...."just don't give up, don't stop believing."


It's the theme of Joe~Blows life, Chubs...which was probably
the whole idea. Don't we all connect with this song in one way or another?!?
I think I used to have some cheap perfume... :wink:

He does a great job singing it though!!!


:lol: Yes we did/do.

The only point I was trying to make is that, to say that Arnel is no way, no how contributing to the popularity of DSB is a false.




See I think it's the other way around....DSB is contributing to AP's popularity :wink:


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Postby Chubby321 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:27 am

portland wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know...."just don't give up, don't stop believing."


It's the theme of Joe~Blows life, Chubs...which was probably
the whole idea. Don't we all connect with this song in one way or another?!?
I think I used to have some cheap perfume... :wink:

He does a great job singing it though!!!


:lol: Yes we did/do.

The only point I was trying to make is that, to say that Arnel is no way, no how contributing to the popularity of DSB is a false.




See I think it's the other way around....DSB is contributing to AP's popularity :wink:


Merry Christmas Chubby :lol: :wink:


I'd say, both ways.

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Postby cdjssfan » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:04 am

Back on topic.

Journey and Don't Stop Believin' have now gone UP two places in the UK chart from 9 last week to 7 this week. :lol:
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Postby RocknRoll » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:55 am

Jana wrote:I agree the current success of DSB has nothing to do with any of the singers after Steve Perry, nor even a GH album with Perry. It actually has to do with the song and the use of it in so many commercial areas that gets it out to the public consciousness nowadays, and I believe the Sopranos is what primarily catapulted it to the heights we're seeing and then being used by others, in movies, these X factor type shows, Glee, on and on. It's like a perfect storm beginning with some publicity briefly with the White Sox and then the huge publicity on the ending scene of the finale of the ultra hip show The Sopranos, the movie with Charlize Theron, etc. It's everywhere and there's a snowball effect with that song.

The fact that Journey keeps touring and has been on many shows this last couple years and that Journey music is being embraced in a big way these days doesn't hurt, but isn't a major contributing factor for DSB. Though, I do feel they bring a lot more interest to the whole catalogue of Journey by being in public eye and the interest in Arnel on Oprah, CBS Early show, Ellen, many people I know were like, wow, Journey, I wondered what happened to them and rekindles an interest in a band they had loved but had forgotten about and music they hadn't pulled out in years and so a lot of the old catalogue bought, esp GH I would assume.


I agree with all of this ^^^. DSB was taking off long before AP joined the band. White SOX/Sports Arenas/Sopranos. Personally, I believe this song would still be getting the visibility if SA/JSS/AP/or Journey was without a frontman. This one is all about the music. As far as GH, Jana has a great point and I do think the rekindled interest is contributing to the sales. SP wins all the way around again. It must be nice. :roll:

So enough with this. I just wish Journey would get thier butts in gear and start working on that new album or get on the road again.

BTW Chubs. Thanks for the updates :D
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:19 pm

Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know



The story of "Don't Stop Believin" was written long before Arnel came along. The song was an ENORMOUS when it was first released and it's a song that has never disappeared from the airways of radio. Interestingly enough, it's always Perry singing!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:43 pm

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Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know



The story of "Don't Stop Believin" was written long before Arnel came along. The song was an ENORMOUS when it was first released and it's a song that has never disappeared from the airways of radio. Interestingly enough, it's always Perry singing!


LOL Chubby, you have otudone yourself. Truly a moronic post.
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Postby Chubby321 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:37 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Chubby321 wrote:I don't know how can anybody say that Arnel has nothing to do with DSB. It's pretty much the theme of his life story, you know



The story of "Don't Stop Believin" was written long before Arnel came along. The song was an ENORMOUS when it was first released and it's a song that has never disappeared from the airways of radio. Interestingly enough, it's always Perry singing!


LOL Chubby, you have otudone yourself. Truly a moronic post.



Read my last 4 posts before you call me moronic....my only point was, to say that AP has nothing/zero contribution to the popularity of DSB was wrong.

It's like the song Unchained Melody of the movie Ghost. After watching the movie, I fell in love with the song again because the way they used it in the movie was so memorable and touching. The same with Arnel and DSB, some people may have fallen in love with DSB again because of the rags to riches story of Arnel. Hearing DSB in the background while the story of Arnel is being told is truly inspiring and touching.

Also, during the Europe tour, the DSB sing along was the talk of every review. So it's not impossible that others fell in love with DSB again because of their memorable sing along experience with thousands of people around them. Which btw most people said, there's nothing quite like it.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:06 pm

Chubby321 wrote:Read my last 4 posts before you call me moronic....my only point was, to say that AP has nothing/zero contribution to the popularity of DSB was wrong.




You really need to take the Arnel dildo out of your ass. You sound like the Augeri "wiggle" fucktards who thought their red leather pant, permboy, invented Journey 30+ years ago! When DSB shot up the iTunes charts again, Arnel was still singing Karaoke. The reality is that is was the Sopranos final episode that gave that song a new life and not your precious Arnel. You really need to get a clue! Stick to updating the forum each time Arnel has a bowel movement. It's far more riveting.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:01 am

I'm sure Arnel performing the song on national television put a few dollars into everyone's pocket (GH and Revelation sales) and there's always the sales spike to go along with said performance(s), but it's probably the song he covers the poorest.
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Postby Jana » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:41 am

LA Times - Journey's 'Don't Stop Believing' as Pop-Cultural Touchstone

"June 29, 2009 | 7:30 am
'The Sopranos' used the 1981 Journey hit as its swan song, but the tune itself lives on in movies, TV and theater as the go-to show closer.

There's an old pop aphorism that goes: "Don't bore us -- get to the chorus." By that yardstick, Journey's "Don't Stop Believin' " should be one of the most boring and unsuccessful rock recordings of all time. Structurally, it's a mess: Surely one would get tossed out of songwriting school for a tune that follows its opening piano riff with a verse, a guitar arpeggio, a second verse, a bridge, a guitar solo, a third verse, a repeat of the bridge, another guitar solo . . . and then, 3 minutes, 20 seconds in, when the song is ready to fade out, one of the most unforgettable choruses in rock.

Is it any wonder "Don't Stop Believin' " stalled at a just-OK No. 9 when it was released in 1981? Somehow, though, the song has escaped damning evaluations and footnote status to become our arena-rock national anthem, universally beloved not just by karaoke bar owners but competing Midwestern sports franchises, Hollywood movie and TV music supervisors, Great White Way theater doyennes and New Jersey mobsters enjoying their final meals.

Its use in the famous last episode of "The Sopranos" (2007) was so definitive that you might have thought any future soundtrack appearances, at least unironic ones, had been whacked. Yet it is still played for purposes of sincere inspiration too, offering a self-contained climax to Fox's pilot of the new series "Glee" or Broadway's "Rock of Ages."

Journey's keyboard player, Jonathan Cain, doesn't credit "Sopranos" creator David Chase with the revival. He credits Adam Sandler -- he knew something was up when the song provided a laugh in 1998's "The Wedding Singer." "Adam Sandler didn't actually sing it, but there was this little string quartet playing it, and that was the beginning. Who knew?" Cain said.

Those strings might have been going for nostalgic chuckles, but few other uses of the song have -- least of all sports teams such as the Chicago White Sox, who adopted it as their theme for the 2005 World Series. Multiple Detroit franchises employ it because of the lyrical mention of "south Detroit" (even though most Michigan natives contend there is no such place). The entire crop of "Idol" contestants sang it on a 2009 results show. TV dramas "Cold Case" and "CSI" bring it out as a cultural reference point. Performers not known for their sense of irony, from Martina McBride to Kanye West, have earnestly encored with it on tour.
The most pop-culturally significant song of all time ever in the history of universe?

Cain says he had just signed on with Journey when he, singer Steve Perry and guitarist Neal Schon co-wrote the song. "I had the title and the last chorus, so I brought it in, and we worked backward. That was one of those great days to be in a band," he says.
"There is an odd form to the song as well, because it's almost like an A-B-A-B-C pattern," he says, perhaps understating the true nuttiness of the song's structure. "So there's that chorus they hadn't heard before at the end. But we knew we wanted to save it. It's like a wave about to happen -- the anticipation of something happening, a change in your life," Cain said

That sense of tension and eventual anthemic release may have given the song more staying power than a song that gives away all its goods in the first minute.

"Don't Stop Believin' " has become the top-selling digital download of a track not originally released in this century, selling 2,803,000 units since online single sales began to be tracked in 2003, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

Crossover power

And apparently there's room in people's hearts to hear a full chorale bust out that chorus too. The "Glee" cast's version debuted at No. 2 on the iTunes chart, with 302,000 downloads of its own.

Most recently, the song solved the annual problem of how to keep a Middle American audience tuned in for a few minutes of the Tony Awards, as the bewigged cast of "Rock of Ages," the '80s jukebox musical, fronted for the occasion by "Idol" also-ran Constantine Maroulis, got some audience members to flick their Bics. "Talk about just creating tension -- it just builds and builds, all the way up until the very end," says "Rock of Ages" writer-producer Chris D'Arienzo. "That song really is just kind of a big freight train. We had several mix CDs of '80s arena-rock songs we wanted to use in the show, and it felt clear to me from the beginning that it had to be our 11 o'clock number."
D'Arienzo places "Don't Stop Believin' " in a rock tradition peculiar to the era of Ronald Reagan and "Rocky" sequels: the power riff-laden pep talk.
"There's this whole genre of inspirational rock that you really didn't see a lot before or after the '80s. It was tied into movies, especially: You had 'Eye of the Tiger,' 'Fame,' 'Holding Out for a Hero' -- the go-get-'em-champ kind of tunes that are hard to deny," he said. "Even the worst ones are kind of fun, and 'Don't Stop Believin' ' just happens to be the very best."

"One thing that song does is it rises to the occasion," says Journey's Cain, who says the verses were inspired by his time observing lonely wannabes hooking up on the Sunset Strip in the 1970s. "It amazes me, on a dark thing like 'The Sopranos,' that all of a sudden, some of those lyrics take on a different meaning. 'Some will win, some will lose / Some are born to sing the blues' -- if that's not Tony, I don't know who it is. And yet you can go to a teen show like 'Glee,' and it's this bubbly thing."

Cain recalls his father bucking him up when he was a young struggling musician in his pre-Journey 1970s band, the Babys. "I was always starving, and I'd call him up and he'd say, 'Don't stop believing or you're done, dude.' "

Journey had bigger smashes such as "Who's Crying Now" and "Open Arms," then broke up in '86, reunited for one album with the increasingly reclusive Perry in '96 and has been recording and touring with other singers since. It was on those late-'90s tours that Cain noticed the song had surpassed the others in their catalog in prompting a rush to the stage.

The meaning behind David Chase's selection of the song for the final moments of "The Sopranos" -- and, presumably, the lead character's life -- remains a Rorschach test for people who watched the show. Was it just because that's what a New Jersey guy in his late 40s would order up with his onion rings in a diner? Or, given the artsier leanings of almost all the other rock used on the series, did Chase pick a commercial hit to make some banality-of-evil statement about Tony's life? Or was it the song's tension and buildup, which worked wonders in tandem with the unbearable tension and buildup of Meadow Soprano's parallel parking?

"I can't hear it now without flashing on 'The Sopranos,' so I wish other shows would stop using it," said Gregg Kilday, movie editor of the Hollywood Reporter. "Every time, I keep waiting for the slam to black."

The feel-good factor

"Glee" producer Brad Falchuk admits that some viewers might hear the familiar opening piano riff and initially assume the song is being played for irony, but he maintains uplift was the only thing on their minds.

"Some songs like that move into cliche and then move through cliche into some iconographic thing where they can be interpreted so many different ways," Falchuk says. "But for 'Glee' we were really going for the most basic form of it -- whittling it down to its pure feel-good essence. It's not one of those songs you feel is too cheesy. You can sing to it in karaoke and not feel silly. When we screened the pilot for people, we knew we were doing something right when a lot of people were sort of choked up at the end of that number."

D'Arienzo, of "Rock of Ages," says there's a reason the tune inevitably gets used as a finale -- be it "The Sopranos," "Glee," his Broadway show, or the upcoming "American Idol" tour.

"It's a song that does a lot of heavy lifting for whoever uses it," he says. "I don't kid myself that it isn't why people are on their feet at the end of our show. When 'Sopranos' happened and 'Glee' happened, there's a part of you that thinks, 'Oh, shoot, we had it first!' But it never occurred to me that we should not use it, because it's irreplaceable as a perfect ending song."

He believes that Americans' attitude toward the song is essentially . . . don't stop."

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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:20 am

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Chubby321 wrote:Read my last 4 posts before you call me moronic....my only point was, to say that AP has nothing/zero contribution to the popularity of DSB was wrong.




You really need to take the Arnel dildo out of your ass. You sound like the Augeri "wiggle" fucktards who thought their red leather pant, permboy, invented Journey 30+ years ago! When DSB shot up the iTunes charts again, Arnel was still singing Karaoke. The reality is that is was the Sopranos final episode that gave that song a new life and not your precious Arnel. You really need to get a clue! Stick to updating the forum each time Arnel has a bowel movement. It's far more riveting.


Exactly... well, first, the whole ChiSox World Series episode and then the Sopranos finale. Those two together catapulted the song back into the mainstream, particularly for the tweenie boppers. Most people downloading DSB probably don't even know who Arnel is.
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