Is Steve Augeri tone deaf?

[Luvsaugeri]

I think at least one area that SA trumps Arnel (IMO, anyway) is stage presence. I haven't seen any clip of Arnel where I found his presence to be stellar. It's a big turn off for me personally, but I do think Arnel has a much stronger, richer voice than SA. Doesn't mean I prefer it, per se', just think it more powerful.

I agree. I don't get the whole 'low energy' thing.

I saw Arnel twice I think?? (maybe just once....I can't remember) but I found all his jumping and running around to be irritating and distracting.

[marco17]

Not sure if I can ask this stuff....but, If someone has it, would someone be willing to send me the audio file for "I'm Not That Way?" And, by any chance, anyone know if there is a boot copy of the Britsow, VA [Wash DC area] Arrival tour show? Thanks!

[Monker]

Even without Tapegate - and even if he hadn't blow out his voice - Journey would be finished by now if SA were still the frontman.

Pineda saved this band, big time.

And, you could say the same thing about Augeri following the TBF fiasco with Perry. After TBF, there was NO Journey. After Augeri there was Joureny with JSS.

[Saint John]

I think the only person that "saved" this band was Neal Schon. To have to pick up the pieces that Nostrildamus left behind (again ... intentionally), look for another lead singer and fight legally to get back what was essentially stolen from you, knowing that regardless of your choice for the new lead singer he was going to get tarred and feathered by a certain segment of the fan base, took a lot of balls. But he did it and the two ensuing incarnations with Augeri and Pineda have done quite well and kept the music alive and the catlog selling, and Revelation sold extremely well in today's itunes generation and Arrival is a pretty solid album as well.

[parfait]

I think the only person that "saved" this band was Neal Schon. To have to pick up the pieces that Nostrildamus left behind (again ... intentionally), look for another lead singer and fight legally to get back what was essentially stolen from you, knowing that regardless of your choice for the new lead singer he was going to get tarred and feathered by a certian sement of the fan base, took a lot of balls. But he did it and the two ensuing incarnations with Augeri and Pineda have done quite well and kept the music alive and the catlog selling, and Revelation sold extremely well in today's itunes generation and Arrival is a pretty solid album as well.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

[Rip Rokken]

As for Steve, I've seen him live from two feet away at JTTC two years in a row and he's been fantastic every time.
.

Best thing said in years!!!!!!!!!

I agree, also have seen him the past two years at JTTC, he sounds great!

He's a great guitar player, too!

[Rip Rokken]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

[portland]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

Finally someone says something!!! Thanks RIP!!!!

[Rip Rokken]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

Finally someone says something!!! Thanks RIP!!!!

What, was this a white elephant in the room? LOL!

[portland]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

Finally someone says something!!! Thanks RIP!!!!

What, was this a white elephant in the room? LOL!

Well you are the first to ask....and well I was not going there!!!

[Rip Rokken]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

Finally someone says something!!! Thanks RIP!!!!

What, was this a white elephant in the room? LOL!

Well you are the first to ask....and well I was not going there!!!

Hey, man -- just call me Captain Kirk! I have no problems boldly going...

[portland]

The return of Nostrildamus ... April/May 2010.

LOL! Are you prophesizing?

Finally someone says something!!! Thanks RIP!!!!

What, was this a white elephant in the room? LOL!

Well you are the first to ask....and well I was not going there!!!

Hey, man -- just call me Captain Kirk! I have no problems boldly going...

You ROCK....where is Dan I would love to know what he is getting at???

[Ehwmatt]

You ROCK....where is Dan I would love to know what he is getting at???

The fucker got to see Jim Peterik+World Stage tonight... he was calling me with songs. Sounded KILLER! I'm pissed I didn't get to see it

[portland]

You ROCK....where is Dan I would love to know what he is getting at???

The fucker got to see Jim Peterik+World Stage tonight... he was calling me with songs. Sounded KILLER! I'm pissed I didn't get to see it

Well he needs to get his ass in here.....I want to know what he is talking about in his SIG!!!!!

[Since 78]

You ROCK....where is Dan I would love to know what he is getting at???

The fucker got to see Jim Peterik+World Stage tonight... he was calling me with songs. Sounded KILLER! I'm pissed I didn't get to see it

Well he needs to get his ass in here.....I want to know what he is talking about in his SIG!!!!!

I would'nt get to worked up about it if I were you.

[portland]

You ROCK....where is Dan I would love to know what he is getting at???

The fucker got to see Jim Peterik+World Stage tonight... he was calling me with songs. Sounded KILLER! I'm pissed I didn't get to see it

Well he needs to get his ass in here.....I want to know what he is talking about in his SIG!!!!!

I would'nt get to worked up about it if I were you.

blah blah....I know 78...wet blanket has arrived!!!!

[donnaplease]

I think the only person that "saved" this band was Neal Schon. To have to pick up the pieces that Nostrildamus left behind (again ... intentionally), look for another lead singer and fight legally to get back what was essentially stolen from you, knowing that regardless of your choice for the new lead singer he was going to get tarred and feathered by a certain segment of the fan base, took a lot of balls. But he did it and the two ensuing incarnations with Augeri and Pineda have done quite well and kept the music alive and the catlog selling, and Revelation sold extremely well in today's itunes generation and Arrival is a pretty solid album as well.

Dan, I love ya, but you're full of shit! Neal Schon was more than content to sit back and let someone else run the show as long as he could do whatever he wanted to do. Hell, didn't he even say that he doesn't even pay attention to what's going on around him, and that's why he never knew that SA was lipping? WTF pieces did SP leave behind? A Grammy nomination??? Fight legally??? Again, bullshit. SP was the one who had to fight legally to maintain whatever part of the the legacy he created with this band, and he was smart enough to do a damned good job apparently. Furthermore, your failure to acknowledge JSS' participation (albeit brief) in allowing this band to continue was just jacked up. It allowed you to continue your 'journey' didn't it? How many shows did you go to with JSS singing that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to see? I don't for one second credit Neal for anything except being a damned good guitar player. He's got a lotta balls, alright, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I personally think he's one unscrupulous SOB, however talented he may be. Another thing, it could be argued that SP's participation in the remasters, etc is partially what has kept them in circulation. It is my feeling that he did that because he honors the 'legacy' of the music and what was created by the entire group. The fact that Neal would sully that by allowing the remakes says alot about what he thinks of the history of the band, IMO.

I don't mind being part of the 'certain segment of the fanbase', because I feel in my heart that it is the truth. It drives me crazy that people continuously trash SP. Dan, when are you going to acknowledge what a bastard of a person Neal really is? You know, you can love a person and still hate some of the thing that they do...

[Michigan Girl]

THAT^^^^is an excellent post, DP, nice!!!

[donnaplease]

THAT^^^^is an excellent post, DP, nice!!!

Thanks, sistah! Sure to bring the wrath of St. John down on me, but I can handle it. He's just a big pussycat, anyway!

[portland]

THAT^^^^is an excellent post, DP, nice!!!

Thanks, sistah! Sure to bring the wrath of St. John down on me, but I can handle it. He's just a big pussycat, anyway!

GOD DP I luv you!!!!! and yes you can handle him and then some.....YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

[Glenn]

Regardless of the fact that Schon is/was a total dickhead, he was the one who kept the train running.


By the way, that Grammy nom for WYLAW was bought and paid for by Azoff.


(a little more common in Grammy land than in other awards)


Not sticking up for Perry or Schon in this those so loons back off.

[donnaplease]

Regardless of the fact that Schon is/was a total dickhead, he was the one who kept the train running.


By the way, that Grammy nom for WYLAW was bought and paid for by Azoff.


(a little more common in Grammy land than in other awards)


Not sticking up for Perry or Schon in this those so loons back off.

I don't personally believe he was. I think he would've been content just playing music. I believe if anyone it was JC that kept the train running, as it seems based on talk here (FWIW) that he has quite a bit of power within the band. Why would Neal be content to sit back and let others run the show (Herbie and then SP) and then all of a sudden take over? Furthermore, if Neal was the 'balls' behind the band, he would have stood his ground when it came to his so-called friend JSS. And... if he didn't have control over that situation (or the situation with SA) the very LEAST he could've done is to man up and tell them himself that they were getting thrown under the bus. Instead he took the coward's way out. GREAT leader... Seems more like Benedict Arnold to me...

[donnaplease]

THAT^^^^is an excellent post, DP, nice!!!

Thanks, sistah! Sure to bring the wrath of St. John down on me, but I can handle it. He's just a big pussycat, anyway!

GOD DP I luv you!!!!! and yes you can handle him and then some.....YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

Eh, don't let him fool ya, he's just a softy.

[Saint John]

Dan, I love ya, but you're full of shit! Neal Schon was more than content to sit back and let someone else run the show as long as he could do whatever he wanted to do. Hell, didn't he even say that he doesn't even pay attention to what's going on around him, and that's why he never knew that SA was lipping? WTF pieces did SP leave behind? A Grammy nomination??? Fight legally??? Again, bullshit. SP was the one who had to fight legally to maintain whatever part of the the legacy he created with this band, and he was smart enough to do a damned good job apparently. Furthermore, your failure to acknowledge JSS' participation (albeit brief) in allowing this band to continue was just jacked up. It allowed you to continue your 'journey' didn't it? How many shows did you go to with JSS singing that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to see? I don't for one second credit Neal for anything except being a damned good guitar player. He's got a lotta balls, alright, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I personally think he's one unscrupulous SOB, however talented he may be. Another thing, it could be argued that SP's participation in the remasters, etc is partially what has kept them in circulation. It is my feeling that he did that because he honors the 'legacy' of the music and what was created by the entire group. The fact that Neal would sully that by allowing the remakes says alot about what he thinks of the history of the band, IMO.

I don't mind being part of the 'certain segment of the fanbase', because I feel in my heart that it is the truth. It drives me crazy that people continuously trash SP. Dan, when are you going to acknowledge what a bastard of a person Neal really is? You know, you can love a person and still hate some of the thing that they do...

Perry left Journey high and dry in 1986 because he was toast ... yet he immediately turned around and began recording Against The Wall less than a year later. They sat around waiting for him and pulled the ultimate cracking of the stone by going out by himself and singing music the band Journey made famous together. Furthermore, when he made himself unavailable to them and they decided to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, he once again felt like singing and verbally committed to a tour that he never had any plans of fulfilling. To make sure the destruction was complete when he left he made sure to fire Herbert knowing full well that Irving Azoff wouldn't give a shit about restructuring a 25 year old band without their lead singer. To make matters worse, he cleverly wrestled enough control to make them PAY him NOT to tour when Augeri was hired. Neal had to tackle finding a singer to replace the band's most recognizable member and tour when a lot of people would have rather heard Perry ... the guy that was more interested in touring with half-ass musicians rather than the guys he made great music with.

Soto is a non-entity in Journey's history. He filled in for a tour and was a non-impact. He picked up no new fans and brought no new fans. He did a nice job filling in, was paid well and the band moved on.

As for Schon, I'm sure he's been a jagoff to work with, but at the end of the day he wants to write, record and tour. I find it amazing that throughout the long history of Journey that every single member has gotten along with Neal Schon ... except two. That says a lot. Perry has never worked with anyone more than once and is seen as an unreliable, enigmatic recluse in music circles. I perosnally saw Steve Smith roll his eyes in disgust when asked about Perry and I saw David Pack get up and leave a meet and greet when the word "Perry" was mentioned. No one likes that guy.

[steveo777]

Dan, I love ya, but you're full of shit! Neal Schon was more than content to sit back and let someone else run the show as long as he could do whatever he wanted to do. Hell, didn't he even say that he doesn't even pay attention to what's going on around him, and that's why he never knew that SA was lipping? WTF pieces did SP leave behind? A Grammy nomination??? Fight legally??? Again, bullshit. SP was the one who had to fight legally to maintain whatever part of the the legacy he created with this band, and he was smart enough to do a damned good job apparently. Furthermore, your failure to acknowledge JSS' participation (albeit brief) in allowing this band to continue was just jacked up. It allowed you to continue your 'journey' didn't it? How many shows did you go to with JSS singing that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to see? I don't for one second credit Neal for anything except being a damned good guitar player. He's got a lotta balls, alright, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I personally think he's one unscrupulous SOB, however talented he may be. Another thing, it could be argued that SP's participation in the remasters, etc is partially what has kept them in circulation. It is my feeling that he did that because he honors the 'legacy' of the music and what was created by the entire group. The fact that Neal would sully that by allowing the remakes says alot about what he thinks of the history of the band, IMO.

I don't mind being part of the 'certain segment of the fanbase', because I feel in my heart that it is the truth. It drives me crazy that people continuously trash SP. Dan, when are you going to acknowledge what a bastard of a person Neal really is? You know, you can love a person and still hate some of the thing that they do...

Perry left Journey high and dry in 1986 because he was toast ... yet he immediately turned around and began recording Against The Wall less than a year later. They sat around waiting for him and pulled the ultimate cracking of the stone by going out by himself and singing music the band Journey made famous together. Furthermore, when he made himself unavailable to them and they decided to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, he once again felt like singing and verbally committed to a tour that he never had any plans of fulfilling. To make sure the destruction was complete when he left he made sure to fire Herbert knowing full well that Irving Azoff wouldn't give a shit about restructuring a 25 year old band without their lead singer. To make matters worse, he cleverly wrestled enough control to make them PAY him NOT to tour when Augeri was hired. Neal had to tackle finding a singer to replace the band's most recognizable member and tour when a lot of people would have rather heard Perry ... the guy that was more interested in touring with half-ass musicians rather than the guys he made great music with.

Soto is a non-entity in Journey's history. He filled in for a tour and was a non-impact. He picked up no new fans and brought no new fans. He did a nice job filling in, was paid well and the band moved on.

As for Schon, I'm sure he's been a jagoff to work with, but at the end of the day he wants to write, record and tour. I find it amazing that throughout the long history of Journey that every single member has gotten along with Neal Schon ... except two. That says a lot. Perry has never worked with anyone more than once and is seen as an unreliable, enigmatic recluse in music circles. I perosnally saw Steve Smith roll his eyes in disgust when asked about Perry and I saw David Pack get up and leave a meet and greet when the word "Perry" was mentioned. No one likes that guy.

SJ, since I and others have seen you post this view so many times, might I make a suggestion to you? Save it as a macro and then you have a quick cut n paste response for whenever a hell bent loon pops up.

[ChildInTime]

Perry left Journey high and dry in 1986 because he was toast ... yet he immediately turned around and began recording Against The Wall less than a year later. They sat around waiting for him and pulled the ultimate cracking of the stone by going out by himself and singing music the band Journey made famous together. Furthermore, when he made himself unavailable to them and they decided to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, he once again felt like singing and verbally committed to a tour that he never had any plans of fulfilling. To make sure the destruction was complete when he left he made sure to fire Herbert knowing full well that Irving Azoff wouldn't give a shit about restructuring a 25 year old band without their lead singer. To make matters worse, he cleverly wrestled enough control to make them PAY him NOT to tour when Augeri was hired. Neal had to tackle finding a singer to replace the band's most recognizable member and tour when a lot of people would have rather heard Perry ... the guy that was more interested in touring with half-ass musicians rather than the guys he made great music with.

Soto is a non-entity in Journey's history. He filled in for a tour and was a non-impact. He picked up no new fans and brought no new fans. He did a nice job filling in, was paid well and the band moved on.

As for Schon, I'm sure he's been a jagoff to work with, but at the end of the day he wants to write, record and tour. I find it amazing that throughout the long history of Journey that every single member has gotten along with Neal Schon ... except two. That says a lot. Perry has never worked with anyone more than once and is seen as an unreliable, enigmatic recluse in music circles. I perosnally saw Steve Smith roll his eyes in disgust when asked about Perry and I saw David Pack get up and leave a meet and greet when the word "Perry" was mentioned. No one likes that guy.

1. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that he began recording the Against the Wall stuff BEFORE RoR, and tried to RELEASE it after leaving Journey.

2. I don't think he's is as scheming and conspiring as you make him out to be, dude. I won't say he doesn't have issues; he does, but I don't think he's sitting at a desk, rubbing his hands together and laughing maniacally thinking up new evil schemes either. (Though that is a funny image... )

3. Some CONTEXT about the times with Smitty and David P would be nice...?

...While the uber-loons sometimes paint Steev-O to be a perfect little goody-two-shoes, you seem to be the anti-loon and painting him out to be the devil incarnate here, which I don't think he is either. Any specific reason for the vitriol? Or do you just like stirring things up?

[steveo777]

Perry left Journey high and dry in 1986 because he was toast ... yet he immediately turned around and began recording Against The Wall less than a year later. They sat around waiting for him and pulled the ultimate cracking of the stone by going out by himself and singing music the band Journey made famous together. Furthermore, when he made himself unavailable to them and they decided to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, he once again felt like singing and verbally committed to a tour that he never had any plans of fulfilling. To make sure the destruction was complete when he left he made sure to fire Herbert knowing full well that Irving Azoff wouldn't give a shit about restructuring a 25 year old band without their lead singer. To make matters worse, he cleverly wrestled enough control to make them PAY him NOT to tour when Augeri was hired. Neal had to tackle finding a singer to replace the band's most recognizable member and tour when a lot of people would have rather heard Perry ... the guy that was more interested in touring with half-ass musicians rather than the guys he made great music with.

Soto is a non-entity in Journey's history. He filled in for a tour and was a non-impact. He picked up no new fans and brought no new fans. He did a nice job filling in, was paid well and the band moved on.

As for Schon, I'm sure he's been a jagoff to work with, but at the end of the day he wants to write, record and tour. I find it amazing that throughout the long history of Journey that every single member has gotten along with Neal Schon ... except two. That says a lot. Perry has never worked with anyone more than once and is seen as an unreliable, enigmatic recluse in music circles. I perosnally saw Steve Smith roll his eyes in disgust when asked about Perry and I saw David Pack get up and leave a meet and greet when the word "Perry" was mentioned. No one likes that guy.

1. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that he began recording the Against the Wall stuff BEFORE RoR, and tried to RELEASE it after leaving Journey.

2. I don't think he's is as scheming and conspiring as you make him out to be, dude. I won't say he doesn't have issues; he does, but I don't think he's sitting at a desk, rubbing his hands together and laughing maniacally thinking up new evil schemes either. (Though that is a funny image... )

3. Some CONTEXT about the times with Smitty and David P would be nice...?

...While the uber-loons sometimes paint Steev-O to be a perfect little goody-two-shoes, you seem to be the anti-loon and painting him out to be the devil incarnate here, which I don't think he is either. Any specific reason for the vitriol? Or do you just like stirring things up?

Oh, he is and he is petting a large white cat with green eyes while he is doing it! LMAO!

[donnaplease]

Oh, he is and he is petting a large white cat with green eyes while he is doing it! LMAO!

Ok, I'm totally envisioning Dr. Evil here. Anyone good at photoshop wanna take a crack at that one?

[RobbieG]

Dan, I love ya, but you're full of shit! Neal Schon was more than content to sit back and let someone else run the show as long as he could do whatever he wanted to do. Hell, didn't he even say that he doesn't even pay attention to what's going on around him, and that's why he never knew that SA was lipping? WTF pieces did SP leave behind? A Grammy nomination??? Fight legally??? Again, bullshit. SP was the one who had to fight legally to maintain whatever part of the the legacy he created with this band, and he was smart enough to do a damned good job apparently. Furthermore, your failure to acknowledge JSS' participation (albeit brief) in allowing this band to continue was just jacked up. It allowed you to continue your 'journey' didn't it? How many shows did you go to with JSS singing that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to see? I don't for one second credit Neal for anything except being a damned good guitar player. He's got a lotta balls, alright, but I don't mean that as a compliment. I personally think he's one unscrupulous SOB, however talented he may be. Another thing, it could be argued that SP's participation in the remasters, etc is partially what has kept them in circulation. It is my feeling that he did that because he honors the 'legacy' of the music and what was created by the entire group. The fact that Neal would sully that by allowing the remakes says alot about what he thinks of the history of the band, IMO.

I don't mind being part of the 'certain segment of the fanbase', because I feel in my heart that it is the truth. It drives me crazy that people continuously trash SP. Dan, when are you going to acknowledge what a bastard of a person Neal really is? You know, you can love a person and still hate some of the thing that they do...

Perry left Journey high and dry in 1986 because he was toast ... yet he immediately turned around and began recording Against The Wall less than a year later. They sat around waiting for him and pulled the ultimate cracking of the stone by going out by himself and singing music the band Journey made famous together. Furthermore, when he made himself unavailable to them and they decided to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, he once again felt like singing and verbally committed to a tour that he never had any plans of fulfilling. To make sure the destruction was complete when he left he made sure to fire Herbert knowing full well that Irving Azoff wouldn't give a shit about restructuring a 25 year old band without their lead singer. To make matters worse, he cleverly wrestled enough control to make them PAY him NOT to tour when Augeri was hired. Neal had to tackle finding a singer to replace the band's most recognizable member and tour when a lot of people would have rather heard Perry ... the guy that was more interested in touring with half-ass musicians rather than the guys he made great music with.

Soto is a non-entity in Journey's history. He filled in for a tour and was a non-impact. He picked up no new fans and brought no new fans. He did a nice job filling in, was paid well and the band moved on.

As for Schon, I'm sure he's been a jagoff to work with, but at the end of the day he wants to write, record and tour. I find it amazing that throughout the long history of Journey that every single member has gotten along with Neal Schon ... except two. That says a lot. Perry has never worked with anyone more than once and is seen as an unreliable, enigmatic recluse in music circles. I perosnally saw Steve Smith roll his eyes in disgust when asked about Perry and I saw David Pack get up and leave a meet and greet when the word "Perry" was mentioned. No one likes that guy.

SJ you are right on. Perry is a great talent but the man is hard to work with. It's funny when I spoke to Smitty years ago he also rolled his eyes when I mentioned Perry.
Schon is a good guy and you really need to get to know him to find that out. The man loves to play period. Again good post SJ

[steveo777]

Oh, he is and he is petting a large white cat with green eyes while he is doing it! LMAO!

Ok, I'm totally envisioning Dr. Evil here. Anyone good at photoshop wanna take a crack at that one?

Oh yes! I would love this if someone could do it. It can't be that hard to put SP's head on Dr. E, infact, while they are at it they can do the same to Minnie Me.