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[Red13JoePa]

Hell with "late term." Early term IS the new "late term." It's been proven the "fetus" tries to fight for it's life during abortions weeks into term.

[S2M]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

[RossValoryRocks]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

Doesn't the douche bag who knocked her up have a responsibility here too?

[Rockindeano]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

What a ridiculous post. Since when do you have the right to tell a woman, any woman, what to do with her body?

[Melissa]

I've never seen where "late term" is actually clearly defined either, the numbers are all over the place and it's nothing but gray area it seems. I'm pro-choice, but having taken care of plenty of babies born under 28 weeks (most recent being 23 weeks) I can't imagine after around 22 weeks (which is the youngest I've ever taken care of) not being considered viable.

[Red13JoePa]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

Doesn't the douche bag who knocked her up have a responsibility here too?

LMAO Stu!

[S2M]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

Doesn't the douche bag who knocked her up have a responsibility here too?

Doesn't matter....even if the dude is a stand-up guy and wants the kid....it's her choice, remember....her body....

The government doesn't even have a clue what can of worms it has opened....

[Melissa]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

Doesn't the douche bag who knocked her up have a responsibility here too?

+1

[S2M]

Like I've said numerous times before....women who have abortions as a form of 'after the fact' birth control are fucking cunts. I'm tired of hearing, My body, my choice.

Hey, guess what, cuntbag? Your body, your choice? Well next time you want to youthanize yourself, go for it! On second thought, taking one's life is against the law as well.....my bad. So I guess it ain't cogent to throw the old, my body,my choice cliche around anymore.

Next time I want to stab some douchebag in the gut because they piss me off - I'm gonna use the standard....My Choice answer....

Doesn't the douche bag who knocked her up have a responsibility here too?

+1

-infinity.....think before you answer, for yahweh's sake!

[Ehwmatt]

I've never seen where "late term" is actually clearly defined either, the numbers are all over the place and it's nothing but gray area it seems. I'm pro-choice, but having taken care of plenty of babies born under 28 weeks (most recent being 23 weeks) I can't imagine after around 22 weeks (which is the youngest I've ever taken care of) not being considered viable.

There's a lot of confusion in the law right now... I think generally anything after 27 weeks is barred, but as you said it's a very nebulous gray area in between 21 and 27. There doesn't seem to be a magic number and it's impossible to apply a law case-by-case. Viability has been a concept that has haunted the law in applying/making abortion law since they used it in Roe v. Wade as a "cut off." This is because medical science/technology, as we all know, rapidly changes and gets better over time, so as you said, viability is far from a concrete/fixed concept.

"Gray area" is SPOT ON.

[hoagiepete]

Oh my...is this the first time the abortion debate has hit MR.com?

It has sure screwed up our state legislature and I hope it doesn't do the same here.

My only comment is, for whatever reason, I am encredulous with how anyone can abort a perfectly healthy unborn baby, and then try to justify it. Especially when we have 1000s of loving couples that want, but can't have children, but can't find children to adopt. It is flat out sad. I know this oh too well based on a close member of my family and what they have been going through the past fifteen years.

Secondly, if there were an abortion clinic in every town, there is a chance I wouldn't be here today. 'nuff said why I may be tainted?

There are legitimate reasons to abort. Convenient form of birth control makes me sick.

[bluejeangirl76]

Oh my...is this the first time the abortion debate has hit MR.com?

It has sure screwed up our state legislature and I hope it doesn't do the same here.

My only comment is, for whatever reason, I am encredulous with how anyone can abort a perfectly healthy unborn baby, and then try to justify it. Especially when we have 1000s of loving couples that want, but can't have children, but can't find children to adopt. It is flat out sad. I know this oh too well based on a close member of my family and what they have been going through the past fifteen years.

Secondly, if there were an abortion clinic in every town, there is a chance I wouldn't be here today. 'nuff said why I may be tainted?

There are legitimate reasons to abort. Convenient form of birth control makes me sick.

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

convenient form of birth control my ass... what about the woman who DOES take responsibility and the BC fails? what about Skippy McVirginson over there who never learned how to put on a condom properly and it breaks? what about the girl who didn't exactly consent to it on prom night? the way some of you men talk about it, it's like you think you think women ONLY do it for "birth control". jeesh.

[Red13JoePa]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

[Rhiannon]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

Put it up for adoption. The adopting family will pay for pre-natal care.

[bluejeangirl76]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive. so you know what I do? i DO take responsibility for making sure if i'm going to... ahem... that I have birth control. but none of them are 100% and shit happens, and if shit happened, i'd do the 'morning after' thing... but there's always the chance that you won't know until it's too late for that...

i'm just saying, it isn't always a case of "using it as a convenient form of birth control" so that's really unfair.

and p.s. - i doubt it's all that damn convenient of a thing to go through. especially when have a douchebag guy telling you "then you must have been with someone else cuz it ain't mine" and getting no help in the matter. THAT happened to me - the douchebag part, not the pregnant part - and thank god it turned out i wasn't because i would have been on my own and severely screwed, no pun intended.

[RossValoryRocks]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

convenient form of birth control my ass... what about the woman who DOES take responsibility and the BC fails? what about Skippy McVirginson over there who never learned how to put on a condom properly and it breaks? what about the girl who didn't exactly consent to it on prom night? the way some of you men talk about it, it's like you think you think women ONLY do it for "birth control". jeesh.

Which is why I said, what about the douche bag who knocks them up.

In addition, I think there are legitimates reasons, such as rape, incest etc...

Forgetting to take the pill, use a condom, and not good reasons to get an abortion if you want my personal opinion...but like I said...it is not my nor the governments place to tell a woman what to do with her body, up to the point of viability. At that point, the baby is fully a human being and the government has the right to decide if killing it is a crime.

[Rockindeano]

but like I said...it is not my nor the governments place to tell a woman what to do with her body, up to the point of viability. At that point, the baby is fully a human being and the government has the right to decide if killing it is a crime.

No, but it is the Government's responsibility to protect the woman as it is the standing law.

[Ehwmatt]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

convenient form of birth control my ass... what about the woman who DOES take responsibility and the BC fails? what about Skippy McVirginson over there who never learned how to put on a condom properly and it breaks? what about the girl who didn't exactly consent to it on prom night? the way some of you men talk about it, it's like you think you think women ONLY do it for "birth control". jeesh.

Which is why I said, what about the douche bag who knocks them up.

Which brings me to another thing about that - I've always felt if you're going to play with matches, you better find out what kind of fireman you're dealing with .... but it turns out you cannot ask them "What would you do if..." - ummmm yeah, it turns out that guys freak right out if you do that. I have done that twice. And no, apparently I didn't learn my lesson the first time... But I mean jesus, y'all are more than willing when the lights go out but so much as mention a possible consequence and y'all flip out.

Yeah, you're not gonna get an honest answer even if you do ask that, lol. The truth is, I think most guys, myself included just have the "It would never happen to me" attitude. Frankly, I do think it's pretty tough to accidentally knock a chick up. I've had a condom break, I didn't use condoms with my ex-gf (on birth control) for like 2 years etc... but maybe I'm shootin blanks

I just always think of how many couples try so hard to get pregnant and fail, it's just hard to imagine accidentally having it happen. I mean if I were married (read: financially able to support a kid comfortably) and wasn't particularly ready for a kid but did want them someday (as I do) and had it happen, I wouldn't consider that "accidental" in the same sense as some random high school broad getting knocked up on prom night.

[Angel]

I've never seen where "late term" is actually clearly defined either, the numbers are all over the place and it's nothing but gray area it seems. I'm pro-choice, but having taken care of plenty of babies born under 28 weeks (most recent being 23 weeks) I can't imagine after around 22 weeks (which is the youngest I've ever taken care of) not being considered viable.

"Late term" is anytime during the the late second or third trimester. Some clinics will do them even up to 36 weeks.

Just in case anyone is not aware and would like to know, the procedure for late term abortion involves inducing labor, then when the head is crowning-or at least easily accesible, an incision is made in the fontanel (soft spot on the baby's head) and the brain is then suctioned out through the incision.....if the baby happens to be breech, the body is delivered, then before the head can be delivered, an incision is made at the base of the skull and the brain suctioned out through that incision. How can ANYONE think this is acceptable????????

[bluejeangirl76]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

convenient form of birth control my ass... what about the woman who DOES take responsibility and the BC fails? what about Skippy McVirginson over there who never learned how to put on a condom properly and it breaks? what about the girl who didn't exactly consent to it on prom night? the way some of you men talk about it, it's like you think you think women ONLY do it for "birth control". jeesh.

Which is why I said, what about the douche bag who knocks them up.

Which brings me to another thing about that - I've always felt if you're going to play with matches, you better find out what kind of fireman you're dealing with .... but it turns out you cannot ask them "What would you do if..." - ummmm yeah, it turns out that guys freak right out if you do that. I have done that twice. And no, apparently I didn't learn my lesson the first time... But I mean jesus, y'all are more than willing when the lights go out but so much as mention a possible consequence and y'all flip out.

Yeah, you're not gonna get an honest answer even if you do ask that, lol. The truth is, I think most guys, myself included just have the "It would never happen to me" attitude. Frankly, I do think it's pretty tough to accidentally knock a chick up. I've had a condom break, I didn't use condoms with my ex-gf (on birth control) for like 2 years etc... but maybe I'm shootin blanks

I just always think of how many couples try so hard to get pregnant and fail, it's just hard to imagine accidentally having it happen. I mean if I were married (read: financially able to support a kid comfortably) and wasn't particularly ready for a kid but did want them someday (as I do) and had it happen, I wouldn't consider that "accidental" in the same sense as some random high school broad getting knocked up on prom night.

oh there's my post. I hit 'delete' instead of 'edit' then did an oops and hit 'yes'. LOL. Was not gonna retype all that. hehehe

[Red13JoePa]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

[Angel]

convenient form of birth control my ass... what about the woman who DOES take responsibility and the BC fails? what about Skippy McVirginson over there who never learned how to put on a condom properly and it breaks? what about the girl who didn't exactly consent to it on prom night? the way some of you men talk about it, it's like you think you think women ONLY do it for "birth control". jeesh.

I think if you are going to have sex you need to be responsible enough to understand that there is ALWAYS a chance you could get pregnant. I've even heard of cases of women who have had a hysterectomy getting pregnant.....well, OK, if you have your ovaries removed you won't get pregnant.....BUT, under any other circumstance, it's a risk you take and you need to be willing to live with the consequences.

[Rhiannon]

[Ehwmatt]

Every time discuss this topic I realize how unbelievably varied viewpoints about it can be. I can really relate to many of the arguments on all sides.

[Rhiannon]

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

I agree, unless in extreme scenarios where someone's dying or the baby is so malformed it wouldn't survive anyway (no brain, lungs, heart, etc). Adoption adoption adoption. If you can't, won't, or don't want that baby, someone out there will love it.

[bluejeangirl76]

Which brings me to another thing about that - I've always felt if you're going to play with matches, you better find out what kind of fireman you're dealing with .... but it turns out you cannot ask them "What would you do if..." - ummmm yeah, it turns out that guys freak right out if you do that. I have done that twice. And no, apparently I didn't learn my lesson the first time... But I mean jesus, y'all are more than willing when the lights go out but so much as mention a possible consequence and y'all flip out.

Yeah, you're not gonna get an honest answer even if you do ask that, lol. The truth is, I think most guys, myself included just have the "It would never happen to me" attitude. Frankly, I do think it's pretty tough to accidentally knock a chick up. I've had a condom break, I didn't use condoms with my ex-gf (on birth control) for like 2 years etc... but maybe I'm shootin blanks

I just always think of how many couples try so hard to get pregnant and fail, it's just hard to imagine accidentally having it happen. I mean if I were married (read: financially able to support a kid comfortably) and wasn't particularly ready for a kid but did want them someday (as I do) and had it happen, I wouldn't consider that "accidental" in the same sense as some random high school broad getting knocked up on prom night.

oh there's my post. I hit 'delete' instead of 'edit' then did an oops and hit 'yes'. LOL. Was not gonna retype all that. hehehe

Ah, and again, my reply. Maybe refraining from consequential behavior until you know the answer without having to ask the question would be wise...

Thanks mom.

[bluejeangirl76]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

i just love people who have NO ovaries yet have ALL the "right" answers about this issue.

and if it were that easy to just "get a better job"... just "go make more money"... we wouldn't have the ridiculous unemployment rate we currently have in this country.

[Rhiannon]

[Red13JoePa]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

i just love people who have NO ovaries yet have ALL the "right" answers about this issue.

and if it were that easy to just "get a better job"... just "go make more money"... we wouldn't have the ridiculous unemployment rate we currently have in this country.

If you cannot better your situation well then don't be single, promiscuous and get pregnant and then you won't be pointing more fingers then the wizard of oz scarecrow as scapegoats to why you need abortions on demand. It's really simple, you take responsibility for your own actions and situation and then you won't have to kill an unborn baby.

[Ehwmatt]

Ah, and again, my reply. Maybe refraining from consequential behavior until you know the answer without having to ask the question would be wise...

Thanks mom.

Ok, then don't bitch about it if it happens to you & the dude bolts. Just as pregnancy is a consequence of sex for men & women, getting deserted upon knocked-up because you mated with Captain Dickwater is a consequence of sex for women. It's not fair, but it's how it is.

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