Neal posted on his facebook today

[Don]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

[Since 78]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

[portland]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

[RocknRoll]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Certainly going to be interesting. Didn't Neal say he had talked to all band members about the concept idea? While Neal & Jon are together writing don't they have the opportunity to bring in other band members (Arnel) via phone/internet etc? Regardless, I'm sure there will be improvements during the recording sessions and I'm betting AP will get some writing credits just like Augeri did on Arrival. Those Greedy Bastards!!!

[Don]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Certainly going to be interesting. Didn't Neal say he had talked to all band members about the concept idea? While Neal & Jon are together writing don't they have the opportunity to bring in other band members (Arnel) via phone/internet etc? Regardless, I'm sure there will be improvements during the recording sessions and I'm betting AP will get some writing credits just like Augeri did on Arrival. Those Greedy Bastards!!!

They could just have it say "Written By Journey" There are other acts that do that and if Neal isn't concerned about getting on the radio, song writing royalties will be pretty much a non-factor. It would also be a nice ode to Ross and Deen.

[RocknRoll]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Certainly going to be interesting. Didn't Neal say he had talked to all band members about the concept idea? While Neal & Jon are together writing don't they have the opportunity to bring in other band members (Arnel) via phone/internet etc? Regardless, I'm sure there will be improvements during the recording sessions and I'm betting AP will get some writing credits just like Augeri did on Arrival. Those Greedy Bastards!!!

They could just have it say "Written By Journey" There are other acts that do that and if Neal isn't concerned about getting on the radio, song writing royalties will be pretty much a non-factor. It would also be a nice ode to Ross and Deen.

"Written By Journey" ??? With all the arguments about who Journey really is, do you think this will really fly?

[Don]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Certainly going to be interesting. Didn't Neal say he had talked to all band members about the concept idea? While Neal & Jon are together writing don't they have the opportunity to bring in other band members (Arnel) via phone/internet etc? Regardless, I'm sure there will be improvements during the recording sessions and I'm betting AP will get some writing credits just like Augeri did on Arrival. Those Greedy Bastards!!!

They could just have it say "Written By Journey" There are other acts that do that and if Neal isn't concerned about getting on the radio, song writing royalties will be pretty much a non-factor. It would also be a nice ode to Ross and Deen.

"Written By Journey" ??? With all the arguments about who Journey really is, do you think this will really fly?

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

[RocknRoll]

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

Yeah Right!! There's legal and than there's Loons. You'd never hear the end of it.

[Since 78]

Neal said he just got Jon on board with this new concept album idea, so regardless, anything written before hand may get scraped anyway. Remember, Jon has 200 songs on his computer that he hasn't used yet so he can file anything else wrote by the band members last summer along with those for future use.

As long as it's new stuff and it's not written for Adult Contemporary radio (BALLADS) I don't care who writes it.

Totally agree.

Can't wait to see what they come up with.

Certainly going to be interesting. Didn't Neal say he had talked to all band members about the concept idea? While Neal & Jon are together writing don't they have the opportunity to bring in other band members (Arnel) via phone/internet etc? Regardless, I'm sure there will be improvements during the recording sessions and I'm betting AP will get some writing credits just like Augeri did on Arrival. Those Greedy Bastards!!!

They could just have it say "Written By Journey" There are other acts that do that and if Neal isn't concerned about getting on the radio, song writing royalties will be pretty much a non-factor. It would also be a nice ode to Ross and Deen.

Ross has writing credit on some of the older material.

[steveo777]

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

Yeah Right!! There's legal and than there's Loons. You'd never hear the end of it.

Hahaha. Val, that was funny.

As for "no longer legally a member of journey", that apparently doesn't hold true for royalties of the past.

[portland]

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

Yeah Right!! There's legal and than there's Loons. You'd never hear the end of it.

Hahaha. Val, that was funny.

As for "no longer legally a member of journey", that apparently doesn't hold true for royalties of the past.

Nope as he gets paid like a MF.

[Don]

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

Yeah Right!! There's legal and than there's Loons. You'd never hear the end of it.

Hahaha. Val, that was funny.

As for "no longer legally a member of journey", that apparently doesn't hold true for royalties of the past.

Which is fair. Paying him for songs on Revelation that listed him as a writer was fair also as is giving him compensation for any concert DVD which includes songs that he co-wrote on. That's the whole purpose of copyright.

[Michigan Girl]

I sometimes wonder about his pin~head!! Steve~0 that is!!:wink:

[Don]

There are people who have sold off their credits, (usually ghost writers) for a lump sum payment based on potential future earning of a particular song. I don't believe that's the case with Perry. If he still has a say in how a song is used as it was in Sopranos then he still has ownership. I would think buying him off would cost a pretty penny indeed. You're talking 17 top 40 hits by JOURNEY with his name on the credits, that's a lot to compensate for.

[RocknRoll]

There are people who have sold off their credits, (usually ghost writers) for a lump sum payment based on potential future earning of a particular song. I don't believe that's the case with Perry. If he still has a say in how a song is used as it was in Sopranos then he still has ownership. I would think buying him off would cost a pretty penny indeed. You're talking 17 top 40 hits by JOURNEY with his name on the credits, that's a lot to compensate for.

One thing we know is Perry is no idiot financially. No Way he sells off his credits while he's got his old bandmates out there making him big bucks. I wonder how much he would be making if Journey had just folded when he wanted it to?

[Michigan Girl]

Not a single clue, but my guess would be a hell of a lot more than the rest of the band...didn't Herbie
say he had his first nickle?!?! Sounds like he may have always been wise w/his funds!!

[Michigan Girl]

Steve Perry says

"As of May 8, 1998, I'm no longer legally a member of Journey."

See, one problem solved.

Yeah Right!! There's legal and than there's Loons. You'd never hear the end of it.

Hahaha. Val, that was funny.

As for "no longer legally a member of journey", that apparently doesn't hold true for royalties of the past.

Which is fair. Paying him for songs on Revelation that listed him as a writer was fair also as is giving him compensation for any concert DVD which includes songs that he co-wrote on. That's the whole purpose of copyright.

cracks me up!!

[RocknRoll]

Not a single clue, but my guess would be a hell of a lot more than the rest of the band...didn't Herbie
say he had his first nickle?!?! Sounds like he may have always been wise w/his funds!!

MG - I think the big question is: Would Journey music still be as popular today without all the work Neal/Jon have done to keep this band alive? Grnated 80's music is popular with Swiffer commercials, but Journey music has risen way above the tacky commercial use. I know this has been argued mucho times, but I do believe Perry should be thanking Schon.

[steveo777]

I sometimes wonder about his pin~head!! Steve~0 that is!!:wink:

Explain, woman!

[Michigan Girl]

Not a single clue, but my guess would be a hell of a lot more than the rest of the band...didn't Herbie
say he had his first nickle?!?! Sounds like he may have always been wise w/his funds!!

MG - I think the big question is: Would Journey music still be as popular today without all the work Neal/Jon have done to keep this band alive? Grnated 80's music is popular with Swiffer commercials, but Journey music has risen way above the tacky commercial use. I know this has been argued mucho times, but I do believe Perry should be thanking Schon.

A huge contributing factor, I'm sure...I think they should all be thanking ea. other, for the music, in general!!!
I'm very thankful!!

Didn't they say they wouldn't allow their music to be used for such tacky commercial purposes?!?..e.g. Burger King~AWYWI?!?!
Not your point, I know....but you bring to light some very interesting questions!!

[RocknRoll]

Not a single clue, but my guess would be a hell of a lot more than the rest of the band...didn't Herbie
say he had his first nickle?!?! Sounds like he may have always been wise w/his funds!!

MG - I think the big question is: Would Journey music still be as popular today without all the work Neal/Jon have done to keep this band alive? Grnated 80's music is popular with Swiffer commercials, but Journey music has risen way above the tacky commercial use. I know this has been argued mucho times, but I do believe Perry should be thanking Schon.

A huge contributing factor, I'm sure...I think they should all be thanking ea. other, for the music, in general!!!
I'm very thankful!!

Didn't they say they wouldn't allow their music to be used for such tacky commercial purposes?!?..e.g. Burger King~AWYWI?!?!
Not your point, I know....but you bring to light some very interesting questions!!

Didn't I read somewhere that Columbia/Sony/or whoever it is now owns ALL the rights to AWYWI and Journey doesn't have a say in the use of that song?

[Don]

I think DSB would still be doing what it has been regardless if Journey had faded away forever in the 80s. The British press has said in more one article the reason the song is so popular over there can not be attributed to anything the band is doing but by it's inclusion in the Sopranos. From there it started getting played in night clubs and and karaoke pubs leading to it getting covered on X-Factor. Here in the States, Cain has said it was the whole Chicago White Sox scene that got the song rolling. I think when we say Journey is popular, it's more along the lines of DSB is popular. The Glee version just overtook the original version on the British charts. it's the song, not necessarily who's singing it that is getting attention over there. The band plugging along has helped but I don't think its been the biggest factor in what's bring the music back to the forefront.
Also let's not forget DSB still isn't getting anywhere near the pub here in the states, that it is getting in England, a market considerably smaller than the comparable U.S. market. If that happened here, Azoff would have no choice but to put the band back on the road as the payoff would be immense.

[Don]

Not a single clue, but my guess would be a hell of a lot more than the rest of the band...didn't Herbie
say he had his first nickle?!?! Sounds like he may have always been wise w/his funds!!

MG - I think the big question is: Would Journey music still be as popular today without all the work Neal/Jon have done to keep this band alive? Grnated 80's music is popular with Swiffer commercials, but Journey music has risen way above the tacky commercial use. I know this has been argued mucho times, but I do believe Perry should be thanking Schon.

A huge contributing factor, I'm sure...I think they should all be thanking ea. other, for the music, in general!!!
I'm very thankful!!

Didn't they say they wouldn't allow their music to be used for such tacky commercial purposes?!?..e.g. Burger King~AWYWI?!?!
Not your point, I know....but you bring to light some very interesting questions!!

Didn't I read somewhere that Columbia/Sony/or whoever it is now owns ALL the rights to AWYWI and Journey doesn't have a say in the use of that song?

i think we floated that hypothesis, as that was Journey's first really big hit and the writers may have signed a non-exclusivity agreement back then where as long as they are payed, the song could be used without their prior consent. Journey wasn't quite mainstream at that point so them agreeing to something that could potentially get their name out there more often could have lead to such an agreement.

One of those "We were young and didn't know what we were doing, we just wanted to get our name out there" moments.

[RocknRoll]

I think DSB would still be doing what it has been regardless if Journey had faded away forever in the 80s. The British press has said in more one article the reason the song is so popular over there can not be attributed to anything the band is doing but by it's inclusion in the Sopranos. From there it started getting played in night clubs and and karaoke pubs leading to it getting covered on X-Factor. Here in the States, Cain has said it was the whole Chicago White Sox scene that got the song rolling. I think when we say Journey is popular, it's more along the lines of DSB is popular. The Glee version just overtook the original version on the British charts. it's the song, not necessarily who's singing it that is getting attention over there. The band plugging along has helped but I don't think its been the biggest factor in what's bring the music back to the forefront.
Also let's not forget DSB still isn't getting anywhere near the pub here in the states, that it is getting in England, a market considerably smaller than the comparable U.S. market. If that happened here, Azoff would have no choice but to put the band back on the road as the payoff would be immense.

GB - I actually sorta agree with you. But when Neal/Jon decided to reform Journey, they kept the band and the music in the news albeit for a short time and kept it alive. Would a 25-30 year old baseball player in 2005 know any Journey music if the band had just quietly died. Also, I think DSB got all the press in the US it needed in 2007, now it has the Glee/Simon Cowell push. It's a good argument and I'll guess we'll never know. OK you can bring up LZ now.

[perryswoman]

So, where is Pineda in this process? Wouldn't the band want their frontman involved? Not to start any rumors but maybe they're gettin a different guy.

Yes you didn't hear? SMFP is back!!!lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Don]

I think DSB would still be doing what it has been regardless if Journey had faded away forever in the 80s. The British press has said in more one article the reason the song is so popular over there can not be attributed to anything the band is doing but by it's inclusion in the Sopranos. From there it started getting played in night clubs and and karaoke pubs leading to it getting covered on X-Factor. Here in the States, Cain has said it was the whole Chicago White Sox scene that got the song rolling. I think when we say Journey is popular, it's more along the lines of DSB is popular. The Glee version just overtook the original version on the British charts. it's the song, not necessarily who's singing it that is getting attention over there. The band plugging along has helped but I don't think its been the biggest factor in what's bring the music back to the forefront.
Also let's not forget DSB still isn't getting anywhere near the pub here in the states, that it is getting in England, a market considerably smaller than the comparable U.S. market. If that happened here, Azoff would have no choice but to put the band back on the road as the payoff would be immense.

GB - I actually sorta agree with you. But when Neal/Jon decided to reform Journey, they kept the band and the music in the news albeit for a short time and kept it alive. Would a 25-30 year old baseball player in 2005 know any Journey music if the band had just quietly died. Also, I think DSB got all the press in the US it needed in 2007, now it has the Glee/Simon Cowell push. It's a good argument and I'll guess we'll never know. OK you can bring up LZ now.

Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd both have albums on the Billboard 200. Zeppelin selling could be from Plant's Grammy success with Krauss, Floyd is a mystery to me at the moment.

[Don]

So, where is Pineda in this process? Wouldn't the band want their frontman involved? Not to start any rumors but maybe they're gettin a different guy.

Yes you didn't hear? SMFP is back!!!lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pineda is busy singing a new duet version of "Ever Since The World Began"

[RocknRoll]

I think DSB would still be doing what it has been regardless if Journey had faded away forever in the 80s. The British press has said in more one article the reason the song is so popular over there can not be attributed to anything the band is doing but by it's inclusion in the Sopranos. From there it started getting played in night clubs and and karaoke pubs leading to it getting covered on X-Factor. Here in the States, Cain has said it was the whole Chicago White Sox scene that got the song rolling. I think when we say Journey is popular, it's more along the lines of DSB is popular. The Glee version just overtook the original version on the British charts. it's the song, not necessarily who's singing it that is getting attention over there. The band plugging along has helped but I don't think its been the biggest factor in what's bring the music back to the forefront.
Also let's not forget DSB still isn't getting anywhere near the pub here in the states, that it is getting in England, a market considerably smaller than the comparable U.S. market. If that happened here, Azoff would have no choice but to put the band back on the road as the payoff would be immense.

GB - I actually sorta agree with you. But when Neal/Jon decided to reform Journey, they kept the band and the music in the news albeit for a short time and kept it alive. Would a 25-30 year old baseball player in 2005 know any Journey music if the band had just quietly died. Also, I think DSB got all the press in the US it needed in 2007, now it has the Glee/Simon Cowell push. It's a good argument and I'll guess we'll never know. OK you can bring up LZ now.

Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd both have albums on the Billboard 200. Zeppelin selling could be from Plant's Grammy success with Krauss, Floyd is a mystery to me at the moment.

Roger Waters and David Gilmore still both tour and manage to keep some controversy in the news. Unfortunately, I think in this day and age it's not necessarily the music but news/controvery that sells, which explains Britney Spears.

[Don]

I think DSB would still be doing what it has been regardless if Journey had faded away forever in the 80s. The British press has said in more one article the reason the song is so popular over there can not be attributed to anything the band is doing but by it's inclusion in the Sopranos. From there it started getting played in night clubs and and karaoke pubs leading to it getting covered on X-Factor. Here in the States, Cain has said it was the whole Chicago White Sox scene that got the song rolling. I think when we say Journey is popular, it's more along the lines of DSB is popular. The Glee version just overtook the original version on the British charts. it's the song, not necessarily who's singing it that is getting attention over there. The band plugging along has helped but I don't think its been the biggest factor in what's bring the music back to the forefront.
Also let's not forget DSB still isn't getting anywhere near the pub here in the states, that it is getting in England, a market considerably smaller than the comparable U.S. market. If that happened here, Azoff would have no choice but to put the band back on the road as the payoff would be immense.

GB - I actually sorta agree with you. But when Neal/Jon decided to reform Journey, they kept the band and the music in the news albeit for a short time and kept it alive. Would a 25-30 year old baseball player in 2005 know any Journey music if the band had just quietly died. Also, I think DSB got all the press in the US it needed in 2007, now it has the Glee/Simon Cowell push. It's a good argument and I'll guess we'll never know. OK you can bring up LZ now.

Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd both have albums on the Billboard 200. Zeppelin selling could be from Plant's Grammy success with Krauss, Floyd is a mystery to me at the moment.

Roger Waters and David Gilmore still both tour and manage to keep some controversy in the news. Unfortunately, I think in this day and age it's not necessarily the music but news/controvery that sells, which explains Britney Spears.

OFF TOPIC but when Richard Wright died last September, his estate was valued at around 50 million dollars. Makes me wonder how much money Gilmore and Waters have tucked away.

[steveo777]

So, where is Pineda in this process? Wouldn't the band want their frontman involved? Not to start any rumors but maybe they're gettin a different guy.

Yes you didn't hear? SMFP is back!!!lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pineda is busy singing a new duet version of "Ever Since The World Began"

Blech! Why does Journey allow this? I haven't found many people here in the states that look too favorably on what he's been doing. Not good representation of Journey, IMO. Maybe it doesn't bug others as much as it seems.