super bowl add featuring Tebow...

[Rockindeano]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

Yeah dude, she will just join the Ladders with all the 100K jobs available and sign on there....then get free killer insurance too.

You think it's that easy? Why can't you fucking Pro Lifer wackos endorse healthcare for all then? How about aid for the unwed single mother? Welfare to the mother? No no no. You all run like scared doves on the railroad tracks when it comes to funding the unfortunate situations, but stand all high and mighty behind the Bible like you are doing God's work regarding abortion. It's not your place to impose your will on somebody else and I say this without regard to whether the mother is irresponsible, raped or simply impregnated accidentally- it does not matter. People aren't suppose to judge other people right? Doesn't the good book teach this? So instead of trying to change a good sensible and safe law, you try to preach your way, err God's way, but conveniently run from societal responsibility: and that is helping your fellow citizens when a unwanted pregnancy comes along.

[lights1961]

interesting discussions all around...

the topic at hand was the add... and to me it says a lot about NOW... when they get upset that TEBOWS mom CHOSE LIFE over the choice of abortion... its not a right or wrong answer really... but NOW is really upset because they **generally choose the abortion option** to be the BEST CHOICE always... to me the add is just about Tim's mother's FAITH... and what she believed to be the right move for her... when she she was given a CHOICE.... of to either abort the baby or choose to have it... she CHOSE LIFE and thats why there being pissy about it... period...

[Ehwmatt]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

Yeah dude, she will just join the Ladders with all the 100K jobs available and sign on there....then get free killer insurance too.

You think it's that easy? Why can't you fucking Pro Lifer wackos endorse healthcare for all then? How about aid for the unwed single mother? Welfare to the mother? No no no. You all run like scared doves on the railroad tracks when it comes to funding the unfortunate situations, but stand all high and mighty behind the Bible like you are doing God's work regarding abortion. It's not your place to impose your will on somebody else and I say this without regard to whether the mother is irresponsible, raped or simply impregnated accidentally- it does not matter. People aren't suppose to judge other people right? Doesn't the good book teach this? So instead of trying to change a good sensible and safe law, you try to preach your way, err God's way, but conveniently run from societal responsibility: and that is helping your fellow citizens when a unwanted pregnancy comes along.

I get where you're coming from, I really do. This isn't an easy subject for me because I have a lot of beliefs on both sides.

But really, is lack of health insurance the 1st reason that jumps into someone's mind when she learns of her pregnancy and subsequently decides to abort it? I somehow doubt it. Economics may factor into many decisions in a big picture kinda way, but are you really suggesting universal health care will cease all or most abortions?

Oh, and last I checked, welfare is already available and increases for dependents/single mother situations.

[Rhiannon]

Ladies and gentleman... in the left corner we have BJG and in the right corner we have Rhiannon!

No catfighting. I'm just stating my opinion. Ironically, I'm pro-choice, and my choice is life.

As I said, except for dire extreme circumstances I don't see how anyone could possibly forego adoption for abortion. I just don't get it, but again, that's just that whole freedom of speech & shit.

[Red13JoePa]

Well then take responsibility for your own actions, DEAN!

You guys want this huge pity party for being low picked on low-earners who HAVE to have access to abortions but expect NOBODY to feel pity for the unborn baby!

If you can't afford to be pregnant than dammit don;t get pregnant.

[Ehwmatt]

Ladies and gentleman... in the left corner we have BJG and in the right corner we have Rhiannon!

No catfighting. I'm just stating my opinion. Ironically, I'm pro-choice, and my choice is life.

As I said, except for dire extreme circumstances I don't see how anyone could possibly forego adoption for abortion. I just don't get it, but again, that's just that whole freedom of speech & shit.

I mostly agree with you, though I really am not all that concerned about it. Our government has meddled enough with the issue and should stay out of it, save criminalizing inhumane late term abortions.

Does anyone know a lot about the economics of adoption in these situations? Let's say a woman goes to an adoption agency and puts it up for adoption within the first month of her pregnancy. I presume (and am pretty sure) the adopting family will pay for pre-natal care? I know they do with surrogacy agreements. What if the woman goes through the pregnancy and decides to put the newborn up after delivering it ? Say a day after she walks out of the hospital with the baby. Is it easy for her to get her medical expenses etc. reimbursed when someone agrees to adopt it?

[bluejeangirl76]

Tough shit, give the baby up for adoption.

And btw, get a F*ng job and get insurance and don't punish the baby for all your screwups in life.

not that easy. i HAVE a full time job and guess what... the insurance is WAY too expensive where I work. independant coverage? HA. that's just as expensive.

Get a job where it's more affordable or get a better job and make more money and buy your own insurance.

Or, again, give it up for adoption.

i just love people who have NO ovaries yet have ALL the "right" answers about this issue.

and if it were that easy to just "get a better job"... just "go make more money"... we wouldn't have the ridiculous unemployment rate we currently have in this country.

If you cannot better your situation well then don't be single, promiscuous and get pregnant and then you won't be pointing more fingers then the wizard of oz scarecrow as scapegoats to why you need abortions on demand. It's really simple, you take responsibility for your own actions and situation and then you won't have to kill an unborn baby.

Excuse me, I never said anything about anyone NEEDING abortions 'on demand'. Nor did I say that I would or even COULD do it. I'm just saying that women deserve the option and it's no one's damn business but hers how or why she's in the situation she's in. Getting pregnant doesn't automatically mean she's promiscuous either. Unwanted pregnancy happens to irresponsible fucks just as it happens to responisble precaution-takers just as it happens to married women.

The only way to guarantee NO pregnancy is to NOT have sex. So there you go, all you men with the big mouths about it - WE will all stop having sex with YOU and then problem solved!! Yay!!

[Red13JoePa]

And I am saying they DON'T deserve the option, no matter what, but DEFINITELY not based on all the irresponsible reasons YOU bring up: I'm poor and my birth control failed.

[Ehwmatt]

The only way to guarantee NO pregnancy is to NOT have sex. So there you go, all you men with the big mouths about it - WE will all stop having sex with YOU and then problem solved!! Yay!!

Thank God Internet porn has come such a long way.

[KenTheDude]

This must be "Pile on BJG Day"

[bluejeangirl76]

This must be "Pile on BJG Day"

No kidding. Jeez, I hope I don't end up pregnant, what with all these people on top of me.

[KenTheDude]

This must be "Pile on BJG Day"

No kidding. Jeez, I hope I don't end up pregnant, what with all these people on top of me.

Well, at least the current law allows you to decide exactly what you'd want to do if you did get pregnant.

[Melissa]

"Late term" is anytime during the the late second or third trimester. Some clinics will do them even up to 36 weeks.

It's still not clearly defined all over the place, I've seen early 2nd trimester and even late 1st trimester listed as "late term" also.

[Angel]

"Late term" is anytime during the the late second or third trimester. Some clinics will do them even up to 36 weeks.

It's still not clearly defined all over the place, I've seen early 2nd trimester and even late 1st trimester listed as "late term" also.

True, it is not clearly defined but from what I have read, the generally accepted timeframe is anytime after 20 weeks. The second trimester starts around 13-14 weeks so it's rather difficult to really define it by trimesters.

[Luvsaugeri]

There is one stand in this argument I have never understood. For those that are against abortion....yet believe it's OK in the case of rape or incest. If you think abortion is unethical or immoral than you should think so in all circumstances. It is not the child's fault that it may have been conceived because of rape or incest.

I understand being against abortion.....or being pro choice. But I have never understood the above argument.

Personally I am personally against abortion. But I do believe everyone is entitled to there own beliefs and decisions.

I certainly don't agree with the statement about the government not providing for women. There is so much available to low income women. Most of them choose not to use it. And they don't care if they get pregnant or not. It is just more food stamps and welfare checks for them.

[Arianddu]

If you cannot better your situation well then don't be single,

It's not just single women who have abortions. Not just single women who get raped, suffer extreme health risks, or simply are not in a position to safely raise a child. Not just single women who get pregnant while requiring treatment for cancer. Not just single women who are in extremely difficult financial circumstances where having another child will completely screw the family's ability to give the children they already have any kind of decent future. Not just single women who take every precaution with birth control specifically because they know they are not in a position to give another child any kind of decent life and have that birth control fail.

promiscuous

It only takes one time. Would you call your male friends promiscuous if they have sex just once, with one woman?

and get pregnant and then you won't be pointing more fingers then the wizard of oz scarecrow as scapegoats to why you need abortions on demand.

I don't think you have any idea how stupid that statement is. Talking about 'abortion on demand' like it's walking into a shop to get a pack of cigarettes! No woman makes this decision lightly - EVER! No woman has the attitude that 'oops, oh well, I'll just trot down to the clinic and get rid of it.' It isn't something you get on demand like a packet of aspirin from a chemist, it's a surgical process with a lot of counselling and discussion, most places (in the UK and Australia at least, I can't speak for the USA) will not do it in a single day, it takes 2 referals from seperate GPS, then 2 consulting sessions at the clinic minimum before the procedure will be done, and you have to give evidence of why you are not fit to continue a pregnancy and give birth. You don't get to simply walk in and say 'do it'.

It's really simple, you take responsibility for your own actions and situation and then you won't have to kill an unborn baby.

The day I see anti-choicers going out devoting as much time and energy chasing up defaulting Dads who abandon their kids, helping to provide decent care, accomodation, education, clothing and support to children who are already alive and living in our communities, providing decent free child care to parents struggling because they can't survive on a single income, have no family or support network, and have one parent unable to contribute financially because they have kids under school age...

Hell, Joe - you personally go out, track down one man who walked out on his family, or claimed the kid wasn't his, or cries poor because he doesn't want to pay maintenance, or bitches endlessly about how his ex is a greedy bitch who wants to live off his money regardless of the fact that he's paying for his kids, not for her... you track JUST ONE of those bastards down and MAKE them take responsibility for the children they helped create, and then I'll accept you have any right to talk about a woman needing to take responsibility for her actions.

Because as far as I am concerned, having a baby you can't provide for, and don't want, because of one accident (however that accident occured) is a damn sight more irresponsible than having an abortion. And before you say it, it isn't a case of abort or adopt - talk to any woman who gave her child up for adoption and see the response you get. The majority of women of my mother's generation and before would have kept their children regardless if they had been allowed to. The decline in children given up for adoption isn't because there are fewer children being born under those circumstances, it's because we don't live in a society that condemns single parents and that sees no moral issue with forcing women to give up their children.

Abortion has ALWAYS been with us. It isn't going to go away. The myth of it being dangerous for mothers to take babies into their beds in case they roll over in their sleep on top of the baby is directly linked to the criminalisation of abortion - when abortion was first criminalised, for the first time ever cause of death for infants was given as the mother accidentally rolling on the newborn and smothering it in her sleep. Illegal abortions are dangerous simply because they are illegal and are therefor done by the sort of people who will get involved in illegal actions for money. By keeping it legal, then the woman gets the information - for as well as against - she needs to make her decision, and if she decides to go ahead, she has the procedure done in a clean, safe environment, and she gets the follow-up care and advice she needs.

[bluejeangirl76]

Awesome post, Ari.

[Arianddu]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

Put it up for adoption. The adopting family will pay for pre-natal care.

It's not that easy, Rhi - ever seen someone have to give up a pet they love because they can't take care of it? What makes you think giving a baby up for adoption is going to be easy? I have my reasons for what I did, and I'm not going to discuss them here, but I did think long and hard about whether the right thing for me to do would be to go through with the pregnancy and adopt out. I knew I couldn't be a loving, caring parent to a child at that time, under those circumstances, I knew I could not raise that child in any kind of life that I would want my child to have, but I also knew that I couldn't give my own child away. That was the hardest part of my decision, in some ways.

[Arianddu]

I've never seen where "late term" is actually clearly defined either, the numbers are all over the place and it's nothing but gray area it seems. I'm pro-choice, but having taken care of plenty of babies born under 28 weeks (most recent being 23 weeks) I can't imagine after around 22 weeks (which is the youngest I've ever taken care of) not being considered viable.

"Late term" is anytime during the the late second or third trimester. Some clinics will do them even up to 36 weeks.

Just in case anyone is not aware and would like to know, the procedure for late term abortion involves inducing labor, then when the head is crowning-or at least easily accesible, an incision is made in the fontanel (soft spot on the baby's head) and the brain is then suctioned out through the incision.....if the baby happens to be breech, the body is delivered, then before the head can be delivered, an incision is made at the base of the skull and the brain suctioned out through that incision. How can ANYONE think this is acceptable????????

I don't think it's acceptable. That's not a reason to deny 1st trimester terminations.

[Rhiannon]

well when you become an uninsured woman who gets pregnant and not only couldn't afford to raise it but can't even afford to go to the doctors' appointments or the hospital bills for giving birth, then talk to me about it.

Put it up for adoption. The adopting family will pay for pre-natal care.

It's not that easy, Rhi - ever seen someone have to give up a pet they love because they can't take care of it? What makes you think giving a baby up for adoption is going to be easy? I have my reasons for what I did, and I'm not going to discuss them here, but I did think long and hard about whether the right thing for me to do would be to go through with the pregnancy and adopt out. I knew I couldn't be a loving, caring parent to a child at that time, under those circumstances, I knew I could not raise that child in any kind of life that I would want my child to have, but I also knew that I couldn't give my own child away. That was the hardest part of my decision, in some ways.

Neither option is easy. And I wouldn't ever degrade you for your choice, your choice is yours to make regardless of anyone's belief. Your belief is what you live with. I live with mine. So no worries, Ari.

I don't care what happens, I'd rather take my own life than my child's, and to me that first hcg spike counts as life.

I'm not saying I'm right. That's just how I'm convicted of heart.

[Saint John]

an incision is made in the fontanel (soft spot on the baby's head) and the brain is then suctioned out through the incision

This explains why Obama is so fucking stupid. He just happened to survive the procedure.

[Glenn]

I'm pro life

I was an "oooops"

I'm adopted

I see nothing wrong with this commercial during the Super Bowl in question.

If someone is offended by a woman saying her CHOICE was not to have an abortion, then I cry foul.

Are they offended by the fact that her choice is not what their choice would be ?



Not here to get on anyone on either side of this fence, just laying out my 2 cents.

[Saint John]

I'm pro life

I was an "oooops"

I'm adopted

I see nothing wrong with this commercial during the Super Bowl in question.

If someone is offended by a woman saying her CHOICE was not to have an abortion, then I cry foul.

Are they offended by the fact that her choice is not what their choice would be ?



Not here to get on anyone on either side of this fence, just laying out my 2 cents.

Your post makes perfect sense to me. Seems that the pro-choice crowd is upset that someone is voicing why they made the choice they did. Talk about a pack of fucking hypocritical nitwits!

[Red13JoePa]

If you cannot better your situation well then don't be single,

It's not just single women who have abortions. Not just single women who get raped, suffer extreme health risks, or simply are not in a position to safely raise a child. Not just single women who get pregnant while requiring treatment for cancer. Not just single women who are in extremely difficult financial circumstances where having another child will completely screw the family's ability to give the children they already have any kind of decent future. Not just single women who take every precaution with birth control specifically because they know they are not in a position to give another child any kind of decent life and have that birth control fail.

promiscuous

It only takes one time. Would you call your male friends promiscuous if they have sex just once, with one woman?

and get pregnant and then you won't be pointing more fingers then the wizard of oz scarecrow as scapegoats to why you need abortions on demand.

I don't think you have any idea how stupid that statement is. Talking about 'abortion on demand' like it's walking into a shop to get a pack of cigarettes! No woman makes this decision lightly - EVER! No woman has the attitude that 'oops, oh well, I'll just trot down to the clinic and get rid of it.' It isn't something you get on demand like a packet of aspirin from a chemist, it's a surgical process with a lot of counselling and discussion, most places (in the UK and Australia at least, I can't speak for the USA) will not do it in a single day, it takes 2 referals from seperate GPS, then 2 consulting sessions at the clinic minimum before the procedure will be done, and you have to give evidence of why you are not fit to continue a pregnancy and give birth. You don't get to simply walk in and say 'do it'.

It's really simple, you take responsibility for your own actions and situation and then you won't have to kill an unborn baby.

The day I see anti-choicers going out devoting as much time and energy chasing up defaulting Dads who abandon their kids, helping to provide decent care, accomodation, education, clothing and support to children who are already alive and living in our communities, providing decent free child care to parents struggling because they can't survive on a single income, have no family or support network, and have one parent unable to contribute financially because they have kids under school age...

Hell, Joe - you personally go out, track down one man who walked out on his family, or claimed the kid wasn't his, or cries poor because he doesn't want to pay maintenance, or bitches endlessly about how his ex is a greedy bitch who wants to live off his money regardless of the fact that he's paying for his kids, not for her... you track JUST ONE of those bastards down and MAKE them take responsibility for the children they helped create, and then I'll accept you have any right to talk about a woman needing to take responsibility for her actions.

Because as far as I am concerned, having a baby you can't provide for, and don't want, because of one accident (however that accident occured) is a damn sight more irresponsible than having an abortion. And before you say it, it isn't a case of abort or adopt - talk to any woman who gave her child up for adoption and see the response you get. The majority of women of my mother's generation and before would have kept their children regardless if they had been allowed to. The decline in children given up for adoption isn't because there are fewer children being born under those circumstances, it's because we don't live in a society that condemns single parents and that sees no moral issue with forcing women to give up their children.

Abortion has ALWAYS been with us. It isn't going to go away. The myth of it being dangerous for mothers to take babies into their beds in case they roll over in their sleep on top of the baby is directly linked to the criminalisation of abortion - when abortion was first criminalised, for the first time ever cause of death for infants was given as the mother accidentally rolling on the newborn and smothering it in her sleep. Illegal abortions are dangerous simply because they are illegal and are therefor done by the sort of people who will get involved in illegal actions for money. By keeping it legal, then the woman gets the information - for as well as against - she needs to make her decision, and if she decides to go ahead, she has the procedure done in a clean, safe environment, and she gets the follow-up care and advice she needs.

Bullshit, rationilization, bullshit, bullshit, excuse making, bullshit, irresponsibility, bullshit, finger-pointing and more bullshit, weaseling, obfuscating, diverting and blame-shifting.


Nice filibuster, though.

But once again, where is all this overwrought pity-partying on behalf of the unborn child? If you dimwitted benighted twits put a SCINTILLA of the consideration into the well-being of the "fetus" that you do into the already deranged mind-state of the pregnant woman going for the kill, you'd see the contradiction in terms here: "Don't accuse the woman of taking the 'choice' lightly" AND "a fetus is not a human so just get out of our way and let us kill it if we feel like it (it's ours after all )."
Cover ALL the bases as per usual.
Such self-centered thought, yet certainly rooted in human nature as the guilt of killing the child makes the decision so painful. Yet in the end, the self-absorption eventually outweighs the right thing.
If it's such an agonizing decision there must be more in that womb than a disposable piece of waste. Not talking about deadbeat dads (who generally turn up in the case of the deadbeat won't go to school, won't try to get a good job, want free gov't welfare handouts and blame it on their upbringing instead loose women who want male affection but not to be woken up by crying) here, all that's AFTER the fact of the lazy, slothful, narcissistic, recklesss, self-absorbed behavior patterns that lead people to get knocked up and look for a quick, cheap (long-term), typically easy way "out" of their :"problem."
Again if you pro-abortioners are SO concerned with the baby's potential quality of life after YOU put them behind the 8-ball before they take their first breath, break from the disgusting laziness for 9 months and give it up for adoption.

[Saint John]

Wow ... 13's beating up jumbo dome like Holmes did Ali. Somebody stop this thing!

[Arianddu]

an incision is made in the fontanel (soft spot on the baby's head) and the brain is then suctioned out through the incision

This explains why Obama is so fucking stupid. He just happened to survive the procedure.

Hey, I didn't write that!

[SherriBerry]

If you cannot better your situation well then don't be single,

It's not just single women who have abortions. Not just single women who get raped, suffer extreme health risks, or simply are not in a position to safely raise a child. Not just single women who get pregnant while requiring treatment for cancer. Not just single women who are in extremely difficult financial circumstances where having another child will completely screw the family's ability to give the children they already have any kind of decent future. Not just single women who take every precaution with birth control specifically because they know they are not in a position to give another child any kind of decent life and have that birth control fail.

promiscuous

It only takes one time. Would you call your male friends promiscuous if they have sex just once, with one woman?

and get pregnant and then you won't be pointing more fingers then the wizard of oz scarecrow as scapegoats to why you need abortions on demand.

I don't think you have any idea how stupid that statement is. Talking about 'abortion on demand' like it's walking into a shop to get a pack of cigarettes! No woman makes this decision lightly - EVER! No woman has the attitude that 'oops, oh well, I'll just trot down to the clinic and get rid of it.' It isn't something you get on demand like a packet of aspirin from a chemist, it's a surgical process with a lot of counselling and discussion, most places (in the UK and Australia at least, I can't speak for the USA) will not do it in a single day, it takes 2 referals from seperate GPS, then 2 consulting sessions at the clinic minimum before the procedure will be done, and you have to give evidence of why you are not fit to continue a pregnancy and give birth. You don't get to simply walk in and say 'do it'.

It's really simple, you take responsibility for your own actions and situation and then you won't have to kill an unborn baby.

The day I see anti-choicers going out devoting as much time and energy chasing up defaulting Dads who abandon their kids, helping to provide decent care, accomodation, education, clothing and support to children who are already alive and living in our communities, providing decent free child care to parents struggling because they can't survive on a single income, have no family or support network, and have one parent unable to contribute financially because they have kids under school age...

Hell, Joe - you personally go out, track down one man who walked out on his family, or claimed the kid wasn't his, or cries poor because he doesn't want to pay maintenance, or bitches endlessly about how his ex is a greedy bitch who wants to live off his money regardless of the fact that he's paying for his kids, not for her... you track JUST ONE of those bastards down and MAKE them take responsibility for the children they helped create, and then I'll accept you have any right to talk about a woman needing to take responsibility for her actions.

Because as far as I am concerned, having a baby you can't provide for, and don't want, because of one accident (however that accident occured) is a damn sight more irresponsible than having an abortion. And before you say it, it isn't a case of abort or adopt - talk to any woman who gave her child up for adoption and see the response you get. The majority of women of my mother's generation and before would have kept their children regardless if they had been allowed to. The decline in children given up for adoption isn't because there are fewer children being born under those circumstances, it's because we don't live in a society that condemns single parents and that sees no moral issue with forcing women to give up their children.

Abortion has ALWAYS been with us. It isn't going to go away. The myth of it being dangerous for mothers to take babies into their beds in case they roll over in their sleep on top of the baby is directly linked to the criminalisation of abortion - when abortion was first criminalised, for the first time ever cause of death for infants was given as the mother accidentally rolling on the newborn and smothering it in her sleep. Illegal abortions are dangerous simply because they are illegal and are therefor done by the sort of people who will get involved in illegal actions for money. By keeping it legal, then the woman gets the information - for as well as against - she needs to make her decision, and if she decides to go ahead, she has the procedure done in a clean, safe environment, and she gets the follow-up care and advice she needs.

Bullshit, rationilization, bullshit, bullshit, excuse making, bullshit, irresponsibility, bullshit, finger-pointing and more bullshit, weaseling, obfuscating, diverting and blame-shifting.

The only bullshit in this thread is coming from you (and StocktontoMalone). Everyone else has posted their opinion in a respectful manner, no matter what that opinion may be. You, on the other hand, have demonstrated that you are an ignorant and hateful individual who describes any woman who would consider an abortion as "promiscuous" or "loose" - why don't you just write what you mean and state that you think any woman who has sex outside of marriage is a slut?

If you are a Christian, you likely believe that one day you will be judged by God - luckily for you, He will judge you with greater understanding and compassion than you practice as you judge others, an act even Jesus didn't feel righteous enough to take upon himself. No one denies your right to be opposed to abortion, but quite frankly your ridiculous rants only serve to support your opposition.

[Arianddu]

Bullshit, rationilization, bullshit, bullshit, excuse making, bullshit, irresponsibility, bullshit, finger-pointing and more bullshit, weaseling, obfuscating, diverting and blame-shifting.


Nice filibuster, though.

But once again, where is all this overwrought pity-partying on behalf of the unborn child? If you dimwitted benighted twits put a SCINTILLA of the consideration into the well-being of the "fetus" that you do into the already deranged mind-state of the pregnant woman going for the kill, you'd see the contradiction in terms here: "Don't accuse the woman of taking the 'choice' lightly" AND "a fetus is not a human so just get out of our way and let us kill it if we feel like it (it's ours after all )."
Cover ALL the bases as per usual.
Such self-centered thought, yet certainly rooted in human nature as the guilt of killing the child makes the decision so painful. Yet in the end, the self-absorption eventually outweighs the right thing.
If it's such an agonizing decision there must be more in that womb than a disposable piece of waste. Not talking about deadbeat dads (who generally turn up in the case of the deadbeat won't go to school, won't try to get a good job, want free gov't welfare handouts and blame it on their upbringing instead loose women who want male affection but not to be woken up by crying) here, all that's AFTER the fact of the lazy, slothful, narcissistic, recklesss, self-absorbed behavior patterns that lead people to get knocked up and look for a quick, cheap (long-term), typically easy way "out" of their :"problem."
Again if you pro-abortioners are SO concerned with the baby's potential quality of life after YOU put them behind the 8-ball before they take their first breath, break from the disgusting laziness for 9 months and give it up for adoption.

You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about, but you sure know how to shout shit. No point in trying to educate you - why bother given you can't hear as your head is so far up your own arse that your shoulders are pushing shit. You don't approve of abortion - that's fine, I'd never presume to tell you what your morals should be, but don't presume you have any authority or justification to make some kind of judgement call on what kind of person I am, or why I made the decision I made, or how I got into that situation in the first place.

[SherriBerry]

Bullshit, rationilization, bullshit, bullshit, excuse making, bullshit, irresponsibility, bullshit, finger-pointing and more bullshit, weaseling, obfuscating, diverting and blame-shifting.


Nice filibuster, though.

But once again, where is all this overwrought pity-partying on behalf of the unborn child? If you dimwitted benighted twits put a SCINTILLA of the consideration into the well-being of the "fetus" that you do into the already deranged mind-state of the pregnant woman going for the kill, you'd see the contradiction in terms here: "Don't accuse the woman of taking the 'choice' lightly" AND "a fetus is not a human so just get out of our way and let us kill it if we feel like it (it's ours after all )."
Cover ALL the bases as per usual.
Such self-centered thought, yet certainly rooted in human nature as the guilt of killing the child makes the decision so painful. Yet in the end, the self-absorption eventually outweighs the right thing.
If it's such an agonizing decision there must be more in that womb than a disposable piece of waste. Not talking about deadbeat dads (who generally turn up in the case of the deadbeat won't go to school, won't try to get a good job, want free gov't welfare handouts and blame it on their upbringing instead loose women who want male affection but not to be woken up by crying) here, all that's AFTER the fact of the lazy, slothful, narcissistic, recklesss, self-absorbed behavior patterns that lead people to get knocked up and look for a quick, cheap (long-term), typically easy way "out" of their :"problem."
Again if you pro-abortioners are SO concerned with the baby's potential quality of life after YOU put them behind the 8-ball before they take their first breath, break from the disgusting laziness for 9 months and give it up for adoption.

You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about, but you sure know how to shout shit. No point in trying to educate you - why bother given you can't hear as your head is so far up your own arse that your shoulders are pushing shit. You don't approve of abortion - that's fine, I'd never presume to tell you what your morals should be, but don't presume you have any authority or justification to make some kind of judgement call on what kind of person I am, or why I made the decision I made, or how I got into that situation in the first place.

It is clear from Joe's rants that he has serious issues regarding women having any dominion over their own bodies - I daresay he would like to turn the clock back to the 18th century when women were little more than property. I support the right of everyone to their beliefs and to be able to express those beliefs, but what he expressed was a vitriol that goes beyond the abortion debate.

[Red13JoePa]

Hardly has to do with my feelings on women.
I live with 3 amazing ones.
That's just more obfuscation there.

Has to do with my feelings on defenseless children and those that would harm or kill them.

Rape and incest are complex issues, to be sure.

But if you'd just act responsibly, and stop looking to blame society and everybody else for putting you in sitatuations that would put our unborn in harm's way most of these arguments would be moot.


And PS Sherri, Arian and BJG, let me be clear that I am speaking about the pro-choice movement as a whole not trying to criticize your personal situations, whatever they may be, as I know nothing about them.