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Postby lights1961 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:57 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Anyone see the news on Tebow? The dude did SO bad today in front of pro scouts, that it's now said he went from 1-2nd round status to 5th! Looks like you can't run the option every damn play as a professional! Can't wait to see him flop even harder in the NFL, going to be a treat. Wonder what verse of the Bible he'll recite tonight to get his head out of his ass. If he's sick, DON'T PARTICIPATE!


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I want the PACK to draft him...so further down he goes the better... it wont cost them so much money. and hey favre was drafted way down by the Falcons, he wasnt hi on anyones list.
and all he does is win.



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So, uhhh, you're willing to ship one of the best, young, upcoming quarterback talents in the league in Aaron Rodgers, so Tim Tebow, who can't throw the ball accurately 15 yards downfield because of his slop foot work, mechanics, and releasing point (Defensive ends/Outside Linebackers are salivating), just to groom the dude for years down the road? :x


not at all... I am willing for the Packers to draft tebow to teach him... give him time... like the Packers did Rogers... who is to say that Rogers will stay a packer for ever... in this day and age of free agency... I am just saying if the option is still there in the 3rd round why not take a chance.

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Say this does happen.. it'll be at LEAST 10-12 years, maybe more when Rodgers is done in a Packer uniform if he pans out to what he's supposed to be, since he IS their franchise quarterback. By that time, Tebow will be holding his lifetime clipboard his whole career, would be too old to be unproven, or will be shipped out of town by that time. Tebow's a terrible fit for Green Bay, as well as 90% of the league, depending on what you want from the QB position. Miami or Jacksonville might take a shot.


but you need some plan b in case Rogers gets hurt... and I dont mind taking the risk on this guy Tebow...
he has the heart and the ability... he just needs time to develop into a system that will work for him. You know how many times back in 1993 1994 and 1995 that Holmgroom wanted to bench brett with all the mistakes he was making... but the coach kept with his TLC of Brett and it worked...same can be said for Tebow... if given a coach that would believe 100% of his abilities...Tebow might be able to be a QB in the NFL...
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Postby lights1961 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:00 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:I hope duckface slices up Sharper and Co.....Vikes got raped, and Saints played like absolute shit.

BTW, not in a great mood today at all. So if you bring the heat, be prepared to get philosophically raped.


boy everyone sure has short memories... 4 turnovers doesnt tell me the vikings out played the saints at all...
Bush gives a gift to Brett near halftime... they fumble... they also get a 12th man in the huddle after a time out with 19 seconds left...
Brett throws INT at the end of regulation...how is that OUT PLAYING THE SAINTS??? TELL ME...
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:07 am

There has not been a game played , in any sport,
that my friend S&M hasn't contested...I think he's being
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:11 am

lights1961 wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
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YoungJRNY wrote:
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YoungJRNY wrote:Anyone see the news on Tebow? The dude did SO bad today in front of pro scouts, that it's now said he went from 1-2nd round status to 5th! Looks like you can't run the option every damn play as a professional! Can't wait to see him flop even harder in the NFL, going to be a treat. Wonder what verse of the Bible he'll recite tonight to get his head out of his ass. If he's sick, DON'T PARTICIPATE!


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/b ... aaf,215726


I want the PACK to draft him...so further down he goes the better... it wont cost them so much money. and hey favre was drafted way down by the Falcons, he wasnt hi on anyones list.
and all he does is win.



Rick


So, uhhh, you're willing to ship one of the best, young, upcoming quarterback talents in the league in Aaron Rodgers, so Tim Tebow, who can't throw the ball accurately 15 yards downfield because of his slop foot work, mechanics, and releasing point (Defensive ends/Outside Linebackers are salivating), just to groom the dude for years down the road? :x


not at all... I am willing for the Packers to draft tebow to teach him... give him time... like the Packers did Rogers... who is to say that Rogers will stay a packer for ever... in this day and age of free agency... I am just saying if the option is still there in the 3rd round why not take a chance.

Rick


Say this does happen.. it'll be at LEAST 10-12 years, maybe more when Rodgers is done in a Packer uniform if he pans out to what he's supposed to be, since he IS their franchise quarterback. By that time, Tebow will be holding his lifetime clipboard his whole career, would be too old to be unproven, or will be shipped out of town by that time. Tebow's a terrible fit for Green Bay, as well as 90% of the league, depending on what you want from the QB position. Miami or Jacksonville might take a shot.


but you need some plan b in case Rogers gets hurt... and I dont mind taking the risk on this guy Tebow...
he has the heart and the ability... he just needs time to develop into a system that will work for him. You know how many times back in 1993 1994 and 1995 that Holmgroom wanted to bench brett with all the mistakes he was making... but the coach kept with his TLC of Brett and it worked...same can be said for Tebow... if given a coach that would believe 100% of his abilities...Tebow might be able to be a QB in the NFL...


I look at Tim Tebow being a guy like Tyler Palko, ending up being a guy holding a clipboard most of his career. There are certainly many, many options that NFL coaches are faced as far as number two quarterbacks on the roster. Givin the system Green Bay runs, Tebow would be lucky to even make the team let alone be the guy that backs up a guy like Rodgers. Like I said, there are either journeyman, or proven #2's out there that NFL coaches would take way before givin Tebow a shot at backing up a franchise player. We'll see what the dude can do in the pros first and see if he can shut his many critics up.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:11 am

Michigan Girl wrote:There has not been a game played , in any sport,
that my friend S&M hasn't contested...I think he's being
very humble here!! :evil: :P :wink:


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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:18 am

Interesting discussion on the radio today for those who are stat-a-holics. 12 of the top 20 passers (in yards) of all time never won a championship. Now, other things go into winning, including the most obvious, having a good team around you, but it's still pretty amazing. There's also some interesting names on there like Kerry Collins and Vinny Testaverde.

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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:53 pm

NFL's fate could take a turn for the worst despite the height of their popularity. I couldn't imagine a lockout in 2011. The NFL needs to get this right, as the NFL is one of the few things that actually work in this country in a positive, money making, and satisfying way. They need to do something for the better.


NEW YORK — Rich, powerful and more popular than ever, the NFL gets closer to a doomsday scenario every day.

Without a deal in the next five weeks to preserve the labor peace that has lasted since a bad month in 1987 — anybody remember scab football? — next season will have no salary cap. That means richer teams such as the Redskins and Patriots will be able to far outspend clubs such as Jacksonville and Buffalo for free agents, while the Jaguars and Bills might try to pinch pennies to stay in business.

And if no deal can be reached next season, that uncapped, maybe less competitive year will be followed by no NFL at all in 2011. Stay tuned as the nation's most lucrative and most watched sport heads into the Great Unknown.

"It looks very bleak to get a (deal) done before March of this year or the beginning of the new NFL season," says Titans center Kevin Mawae, president of the players' union.

"We're going to continue to try. ... Until we come to some terms of what's really important and what are the big issues in this deal it's going to be tough to get something done.

"The players are more united than ever before, and we're preparing for a lockout."

And getting antsy about the future.

"From our standpoint right now, you not only prepare for the worst, that seems like the direction it's headed," Titans defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch says. "If players aren't prepared, if guys are in bad financial situations, it hurts our leverage as players."

The main issue, of course, is money — despite soaring TV ratings, an average franchise value of $1 billion and even a storybook Super Bowl featuring the hard-luck Saints and MVP Peyton Manning's Colts.

The NFL owners in 2008 opted out of their contract — called the collective bargaining agreement, or CBA — and have asked for significant givebacks from the players, including a reduction in salaries of nearly 20 percent.

That works out to about $800 million; overall NFL revenues are estimated at $6.5 billion. Those owners say the agreement that will expire next year is far too favorable for the players, who get about 60 percent of the revenues actually used to determine the salary cap.

"What we're trying to accomplish here is to have an economic system ... that will allow us to look back 15 years from now and say that we, meaning the clubs and the players, were creative and thoughtful and laid the groundwork for the game to continue to grow," says NFL executive VP and chief counsel Jeff Pash.

"If we have the right type of structure, it will lead to better salaries and benefits for current and retired players, and a better and healthier game for fans."

The alternative?

A work stoppage similar to 1982 and 1987, when the union went on strike. Under labor law, the union has the right to strike and management has the right to lock out.

"Our focus is on getting a deal and we will have a deal," Pash says. "The only question is when."

For most of those years since the two sides reached the contract that brought the current free agency and salary cap system, mention of an uncapped season was heresy.

Now, it's nearly upon us. It would mean:

· Players would need six years in the league before becoming unrestricted free agents rather than four. Some veterans with less than six years in the league would become restricted free agents, meaning their current club will have the right to match an offer or be compensated for losing them.

· Each club already has one transition player tag and would get a second. A transition player must be offered at least the average of the top 10 salaries for his position during the previous season, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

· The eight clubs that made the divisional playoff round this year will have limits on signing unrestricted free agents under what's called the Final Eight Plan.

· The 32 teams would be relieved of their obligation to fund numerous player benefit programs, including 401Ks, player annuity, severance pay, and tuition assistance. That would be a reduction of more than $7 million per club.

· A supplemental revenue-sharing plan will be scrapped by the league, which says about $100 million is involved; the union claims it's closer to $200 million. That's not a huge sum in the scheme of NFL finances, but would still hurt clubs on the financial bottom rung.

· There would be no salary floor or salary ceiling. In 2009, the cap was $128 million and the floor was $111 million.

"I think the fans will see a different system with no limit on the high end or the low end, and on what teams can spend," says Falcons president Rich McKay. "Each team will have to decide how they will operate."

Does that mean the NFL salary structure will resemble baseball's rich get richer-poor get poorer model — at least for one year?

No, says Marc Ganis, president of Chicago-based consulting company Sports Corp. Ltd.

"It won't happen, at least now, because of the competitive balance rules that are in effect during the uncapped year," Ganis says. "You will not see a baseball type of hoarding of the all-stars occur in the NFL, certainly not this coming season."

For one thing, the crop of players available won't be as substantial as in previous, capped seasons, with the likes of Shawne Merriman, Miles Austin, Elvis Dumervil, Owen Daniels, Brandon Marshall and DeMeco Ryans now becoming restricted free agents. And, as Mawae notes, if NFL owners are looking to save money on player costs, here's their opportunity.

Agent Tom Condon, who counts both Manning and Saints quarterback Drew Brees among his clients, agrees that that, overall, less money will be available.

"The market has been gutted from not only a large number of players being unrestricted, but some high quality players," Condon says. "There is the Final Eight Plan ... taking 25 percent of the teams and having them not participating totally in free agency.

"Over the past three years, 90 percent or so of the NFL teams have not, on average, spent up to the salary cap. Now you have no floor, so you have teams that were required to spend to the floor who don't have to participate or can participate on a lower level. I think you may see teams on selected players spend a lot of money and have a lot less participation overall than usual."

Which also might lead to no bidding wars when free agency begins March 5, or to only a few teams participating for a minimum number of free agents.

That's good news for the low-income teams. With no minimum team salary, no longer are small-market franchises going to be forced to spend close to what every else does. Instead, they will spend what they can afford.

"That is the big issue here," Ganis says. "The NFL has had a mandate through its CBA where they force teams to pay beyond their means — some of these owners are not making money. This last CBA was so unbalanced that you have a meaningful number of teams that in any given year could be on the negative side on a cash basis."

Probably not so in 2010.

And in 2011? Well, ever since DeMaurice Smith was elected NFL Players Association executive director in March, the players have been warned to prepare for a moment when the league stopped playing.

"Until we sign a deal, we have a responsibility to the players of the NFL to provide them with the best counsel for how to prepare for the worst," says George Atallah, Smith's top assistant. "From our perspective, we want a deal before the uncapped year to avoid any unintended consequences to hurt the overall product."

But time rapidly is running out, and it's a brave new world the NFL appears to be entering. Condon warns that what comes beyond 2010 is even more critical for the sport than what occurs this year.

"An uncapped season is not as important as what happens after that," he says. "A lockout or decertification by the union? Nobody really knows."

Some effects of an uncapped NFL season

· Players would need six years in the league before becoming unrestricted free agents rather than four. This includes plenty of stars among the 212 players who would be impacted, including Shawne Merriman, Miles Austin, Elvis Dumervil, Owen Daniels, Brandon Marshall and DeMeco Ryans. They will become restricted free agents, meaning their current club will have the right to match an offer or be compensated for losing them. Any player with three, four or five years in the league whose contract is up would become a restricted free agent.

· There would be no salary floor or salary ceiling. In 2009, the cap was $128 million and the floor was $111 million.

· Two players on each team, instead of one, would get a transition tag. A transition player must be offered at least the average of the top 10 salaries for his position during the previous season, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

· The eight clubs that made the divisional round this year (New Orleans, Minnesota, Dallas, Arizona, Indianapolis, San Diego, Baltimore and the New York Jets) will have limits on signing unrestricted free agents. Called the Final Eight Plan, the number of players those teams lose to free agency will determine how many they can sign from other clubs. The Colts, Jets, Vikings and Saints will have other obstructions.

· A supplemental revenue-sharing plan will be scrapped by the league, which says about $100 million is involved; the union claims it's closer to $200 million. That program involves the top 15 teams by revenue placing funds into a pool from which many of the lower income clubs can draw. It does not include television money or box office revenues. Nine franchises qualified to receive funds last year, although the league has not identified them.

· The 32 teams would be relieved of their obligation to fund numerous player benefit programs, including 401Ks, player annuity, severance pay, and tuition assistance. That would be a cost reduction of more than $7 million per club.


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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:09 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:NFL's fate could take a turn for the worst despite the height of their popularity. I couldn't imagine a lockout in 2011. The NFL needs to get this right, as the NFL is one of the few things that actually work in this country in a positive, money making, and satisfying way. They need to do something for the better.


While I haven't even come close to educating myself on the details of the situation, I'm fully confident they will work it out.
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Postby S2M » Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:51 am

One thing that needs to be addressed is contraction. IN ALL FOUR MAJOR SPORTS. Slice 4 to 6 teams in each league.
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Postby S2M » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:34 am

If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:58 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:01 am

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StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.


I haven't heard anyone in the NO organization saying the deserve it because of Katrina, so whatever...

What dirty / cocky comments are you referring to?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:33 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


This is JUST now pissing you off?!? They started this crap before the game was even played
and I made this statement much earlier in the thread...catch up!!
Go ahead and blame N'awlins for the media hype...you know they gotta do it!!!

I'm lovin' the hate, I think the Saint's thrive on it...PLEASE, don't stop!!! :wink:
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ha ha!! Like Paris Hilton trying to copyright..."That's Hot!!!"
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ha ha!! Like Paris Hilton trying to copyright..."That's Hot!!!"


:)

Yeah, I don't think the NFL realizes what they've stepped into with this...
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ha ha!! Like Paris Hilton trying to copyright..."That's Hot!!!"


:)

Yeah, I don't think the NFL realizes what they've stepped into with this...

No sir!!!
I've always hated it...sounded so ghetto to me and I'm
told I can't even say it right!! However, now that I understand its South La. Jazz/vaudeville origin
and the history of this team~let's just say I have learned to appreciate it...still can't
say it right!!!
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"Who dat? Who dat? Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints? Who dat? Who dat?"

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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:59 am

This is sad!! :cry:

Jay Novacek's Wife, LeAnne Novacek, Found Dead at 45

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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:39 am

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StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.


I haven't heard anyone in the NO organization saying the deserve it because of Katrina, so whatever...

What dirty / cocky comments are you referring to?


#1, they play dirty. That is evident, at least to me while watching their entire playoff run. #2 The comments from their D coordinator Greg Williams was un-classy. He talks about hitting Manning, which is a must, but then goes over board saying if Manning goes down to avoid a hit, they are going to land on him anyway, even if they need to take a 15 yarder because that's what they need to do to get into Manning's head.

First off, this jackoff REALLY is going to let his team play dirty like that and give Peyton fucking Manning an extra 15 yards and 3 new sets of downs to work with? That's Championship suicide if you ask me and by watching how their defense operates, they take angles on hits that scream unnecessary, and that hit on Warner a few weeks back was un-called for. I just don't like this Saints team like a did a 2 months ago judging by their attitude and hanging their hats on the Katrina tragedy.
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Postby lights1961 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:09 am

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StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.


I haven't heard anyone in the NO organization saying the deserve it because of Katrina, so whatever...

What dirty / cocky comments are you referring to?


#1, they play dirty. That is evident, at least to me while watching their entire playoff run. #2 The comments from their D coordinator Greg Williams was un-classy. He talks about hitting Manning, which is a must, but then goes over board saying if Manning goes down to avoid a hit, they are going to land on him anyway, even if they need to take a 15 yarder because that's what they need to do to get into Manning's head.

First off, this jackoff REALLY is going to let his team play dirty like that and give Peyton fucking Manning an extra 15 yards and 3 new sets of downs to work with? That's Championship suicide if you ask me and by watching how their defense operates, they take angles on hits that scream unnecessary, and that hit on Warner a few weeks back was un-called for. I just don't like this Saints team like a did a 2 months ago judging by their attitude and hanging their hats on the Katrina tragedy.


please--playing dirty in the modern NFL is just hilarious... dirty was the old Oakland Raiders or the Lions... Saints dirty... no there just PHYSICAL... take it to you no apology...
think 85 Bears... Saints dont deserve to win, but if they can attack Manning early and often throw him off, the Saints will win just as they made Favre be the guy... then need to attack attack attackon defense. I want the Saints to win...period.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:44 am

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StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.


I haven't heard anyone in the NO organization saying the deserve it because of Katrina, so whatever...

What dirty / cocky comments are you referring to?


#1, they play dirty. That is evident, at least to me while watching their entire playoff run. #2 The comments from their D coordinator Greg Williams was un-classy. He talks about hitting Manning, which is a must, but then goes over board saying if Manning goes down to avoid a hit, they are going to land on him anyway, even if they need to take a 15 yarder because that's what they need to do to get into Manning's head.

First off, this jackoff REALLY is going to let his team play dirty like that and give Peyton fucking Manning an extra 15 yards and 3 new sets of downs to work with? That's Championship suicide if you ask me and by watching how their defense operates, they take angles on hits that scream unnecessary, and that hit on Warner a few weeks back was un-called for. I just don't like this Saints team like a did a 2 months ago judging by their attitude and hanging their hats on the Katrina tragedy.


#1 - You gave nothing specific, so I don't know how evident it is, but it's your opinion..
#2 - Williams comment - possibly a bit over the top...could also be a case of playing head games. Remains to be seen what they'll do against Manning, so I'll wait to see if they do indeed play "dirty" against him.
#3 - Katrina - As I've stated, I've seen no one within the organization make any claim that they deserve it based on Katrina. Have you?
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:49 am

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#1 - You gave nothing specific, so I don't know how evident it is, but it's your opinion..
#2 - Williams comment - possibly a bit over the top...could also be a case of playing head games. Remains to be seen what they'll do against Manning, so I'll wait to see if they do indeed play "dirty" against him.
#3 - Katrina - As I've stated, I've seen no one within the organization make any claim that they deserve it based on Katrina. Have you?


You aren't credible because you live there.... :lol:

It is like those ESPN polls. When you vote and get to see the US map, and the breakdown(colorwise) of the voting...it is always skewed by region.

The question would be: Is Gilbert Arenas a shithead for bringing a gun into the locker room?

And the breakdown would be:

94% - Yes (every state but DC)
6%- No(DC area)

People who live in the area where there is a controversy are just plain bias....even to the point of absurdity.... :lol:
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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:55 am

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#1 - You gave nothing specific, so I don't know how evident it is, but it's your opinion..
#2 - Williams comment - possibly a bit over the top...could also be a case of playing head games. Remains to be seen what they'll do against Manning, so I'll wait to see if they do indeed play "dirty" against him.
#3 - Katrina - As I've stated, I've seen no one within the organization make any claim that they deserve it based on Katrina. Have you?


You aren't credible because you live there.... :lol:

It is like those ESPN polls. When you vote and get to see the US map, and the breakdown(colorwise) of the voting...it is always skewed by region.

The question would be: Is Gilbert Arenas a shithead for bringing a gun into the locker room?

And the breakdown would be:

94% - Yes (every state but DC)
6%- No(DC area)

People who live in the area where there is a controversy are just plain bias....even to the point of absurdity.... :lol:


So, any comments you make regarding the Patriots would be likewise discounted? Or Travis and the Steelers? :)
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:59 am

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#1 - You gave nothing specific, so I don't know how evident it is, but it's your opinion..
#2 - Williams comment - possibly a bit over the top...could also be a case of playing head games. Remains to be seen what they'll do against Manning, so I'll wait to see if they do indeed play "dirty" against him.
#3 - Katrina - As I've stated, I've seen no one within the organization make any claim that they deserve it based on Katrina. Have you?


You aren't credible because you live there.... :lol:

It is like those ESPN polls. When you vote and get to see the US map, and the breakdown(colorwise) of the voting...it is always skewed by region.

The question would be: Is Gilbert Arenas a shithead for bringing a gun into the locker room?

And the breakdown would be:

94% - Yes (every state but DC)
6%- No(DC area)

People who live in the area where there is a controversy are just plain bias....even to the point of absurdity.... :lol:


So, any comments you make regarding the Patriots would be likewise discounted? Or Travis and the Steelers? :)


I'm not A Pats fan. But since you brought it up.

The Pats broke a rule, so what?

I'm a Lions fan. We suck. We worse than suck. Is that objective enough for ya? :lol:


To the people in Wisconsin, Jeffrey Dahmer just had an eating disorder.... :lol: :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:46 am

Got a mouth full of peanut butter and sand until after the game... :wink: ^^^^^ :evil:
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:47 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Got a mouth full of peanut butter and sand until after the game... :wink: ^^^^^ :evil:


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Postby AlteredDNA » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:25 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Got a mouth full of peanut butter and sand until after the game... :wink: ^^^^^ :evil:


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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:16 pm

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StocktontoMalone wrote:If I have to hear one more time that New Orleans deserves to win the SB because of Katrina, I'm gonna deck somebody......Every dumbass sports personality is saying this. Makes me wanna puke. New Orleans deserves nothing.....no correlation between a hurricane, and a sporting event. None.


I agree 100% They interviewed Obama about his pick to win the Super Bowl and being the leader of the country, you could tell he wanted to pick the Colts to win, but with the landscape of the country, he went with the 'Aints because of Katrina. Holy fuck am I sick of the Saints. They are dirty and are proving it with cocky comments leading into the week. I'm really starting to dislike New Orleans after watching them a lot this season and realizing they are dirtier than what some people might think.


I haven't heard anyone in the NO organization saying the deserve it because of Katrina, so whatever...

What dirty / cocky comments are you referring to?


#1, they play dirty. That is evident, at least to me while watching their entire playoff run. #2 The comments from their D coordinator Greg Williams was un-classy. He talks about hitting Manning, which is a must, but then goes over board saying if Manning goes down to avoid a hit, they are going to land on him anyway, even if they need to take a 15 yarder because that's what they need to do to get into Manning's head.

First off, this jackoff REALLY is going to let his team play dirty like that and give Peyton fucking Manning an extra 15 yards and 3 new sets of downs to work with? That's Championship suicide if you ask me and by watching how their defense operates, they take angles on hits that scream unnecessary, and that hit on Warner a few weeks back was un-called for. I just don't like this Saints team like a did a 2 months ago judging by their attitude and hanging their hats on the Katrina tragedy.


#1 - You gave nothing specific, so I don't know how evident it is, but it's your opinion..
#2 - Williams comment - possibly a bit over the top...could also be a case of playing head games. Remains to be seen what they'll do against Manning, so I'll wait to see if they do indeed play "dirty" against him.
#3 - Katrina - As I've stated, I've seen no one within the organization make any claim that they deserve it based on Katrina. Have you?


I don't know how you define specific since I gave some reasoning to my thought. Specific is a comment made by their D coordinator and a 300 pound dude flat lining a 40 year old quarterback for no apparent reason. Judging by those comments and types of hits, I've seen it all year from the Aints and it turned me against a franchise I once thought was classy. And yes, Katrina is ALWAYS mentioned in at least a couple segments when talking New Orleans. I can bet you that with most of the coverage for Super Bowl Sunday, over 50% of it will mention Katrina and 90% if they win it.

Rick, as far as the NFL and playing dirty, open your eyes, it's the game of football. It's a game full of dirty things. Some teams preach it more than others. Hines Ward is considered dirty, but according to the rules, he hasn't broke any of them. Hines challenges 300 pound linebackers and takes them off their feet, while the Saints go after a 40 year old quarterback and pretty much turning him into dust. They've also got away from many calls against Favre and flailing towards his knees on purpose. At the time I thought they might have taken the angle but judging by interviews and how cocky they are, I have my opinion that they play dirty football and it's been all year.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:31 pm

The deliberate take-out of Farve (yes, he went for his knees with intent to injure) in the NFC Championship game is a glaring example of this head-hunting mentality.

Still pulling for the Saints, though.

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