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Postby 7 Wishes » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:18 am

They won't.

It's easier to embellilsh their factoids than to process thought processes or construct belief systems that are predicated upon fact.
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Postby hoagiepete » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:21 am

7 Wishes wrote:They won't.

It's easier to embellilsh their factoids than to process thought processes or construct belief systems that are predicated upon fact.


Huh?
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Postby RocknRoll » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:23 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Meaningless.
In my post, I listed reforms that have been signed into law, or are currently making their way through committee.
Like I said, when the Volcker plan comes up for a vote, get out your scoreboard, and watch and see which party means business...

Personally, I’ll take stale geriatric farts who believe in regulation, over supply-side fundamentalists, who leave everything up to the "inerrant" gods of the market.
For fuck's sake, even Greenspan has thrown himself in front of congress and humbly admitted the error of his no-oversight ways.
When will you guys wake up?


Volker Plan is not even going to make it to a vote. Supposedly, it's dead already. That was pure politics on Obama's part with no regard to the consequences.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:36 am

RocknRoll wrote:Volker Plan is not even going to make it to a vote. Supposedly, it's dead already.


That seems to be the word on the street...
Expect a financial reform bill with loopholes big enough to drive a convoy of peterbilts through.
Par for the course for this administration.
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Postby RocknRoll » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:47 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RocknRoll wrote:Volker Plan is not even going to make it to a vote. Supposedly, it's dead already.


That seems to be the word on the street...
Expect a financial reform bill with loopholes big enough to drive a convoy of peterbilts through.
Par for the course for this administration.


Right now, I think financial reform needs to be done carefully so as not to disrupt our still fragile economy. We need it, but it needs to be a well thought out/analysed global plan that considers all the collateral effects.
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Postby slucero » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:56 am

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slucero wrote:
Why would something that has been as you say "kicked around for years" (but not on Bush's watch),…

Those economists and reformers that wanted the act re-instated all along never went away under Bush, they just didn’t have the president’s ear.
Bush was honed in like a laser on uprooting FDR protections (namely, social security), not reinforcing them.

slucero wrote:...that gets re-proposed (in a bi-partisan way no less) the year after Wall Street melts down..

Good on McCain for having a moment of lucidity, even if his righteous action is probably motivated by an upcoming tough primary fight.
However, with moderate rockefeller Republicans, like McCain, rapidly going the way of the Dodo, what makes you so sure one will always be around to help push progressive policies?

slucero wrote: …suddenly get passed just because Obama is President??

For the same reason it took electing a Democrat in 2008 to enforce labor laws, or to sign the Lilly LedBetter Fair Pay Act, or to push for Net Neutrality, or to take on the credit cards’ usorious interest rates and deceptive practices.
As broken as the two party system is, and as corrupt as the Democrats are, of the two parties, they remain the only legitimate avenue of change.

slucero wrote:...and again... I don't care about parties... they are all the same... Demlicans, Repurocrats...

Your cynicism is well-deserved and, for the most part, I agree with it.
But what’s your answer? - sit at home and don’t vote?
That form of civic nihlisim will get you exactly nowhere.


..never said I didn't vote...

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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:09 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
separate_wayz wrote:I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this one. Take a look at who chairs these important House committees (and when they first took office) and ask yourself when's the last time they entertained a new idea:

Appropriations: David Obey (1969)
Education and Labor: George Miller (1975)
Energy and Commerce: Henry Waxman (1975)
Financial Services: Barney Frank (1975)
Judiciary: John Conyers (1965)
Transportation and Infrastructure: James Oberstar (1975)
Ways and Means: Charles Rangel (1971)
Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming: Ed Markey (1976)

Talk about ossified, encrusted fossils. I don't think any of these guys have entertained a new idea or have been open to real government reform since the Jurassic Era (or the 1970s, whichever came first).


Meaningless.
In my post, I listed reforms that have been signed into law, or are currently making their way through committee.
Like I said, when the Volcker plan comes up for a vote, get out your scoreboard, and watch and see which party means business...

Personally, I’ll take stale geriatric farts who believe in regulation, over supply-side fundamentalists, who leave everything up to the "inerrant" gods of the market.
For fuck's sake, even Greenspan has thrown himself in front of congress and humbly admitted the error of his no-oversight ways.
When will you guys wake up?


"Get out your scoreboard", huh ....

Based on your more recent post I guess the score is:

Stale Geriatric Old Fart Democrat Committee Chairmen: 1

Meaningful Reforms (Including the Volker Plan): 0


The Volker Plan was never going to see the light of day. Paul Volker was a useful Obama prop during the 2008 campaign, after which he was shuffled off into oblivion.

Those committee chairmen I cited have been the bane of both Democrat and Republican presidents. And I'll anticipate your response: yes, the Republicans have had their share of true-reform blockers, like Jerry Lewis (R-CA) when he chaired the Appropriations Committee (a.k.a., "The Favor Factory"). A plague on both their houses.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:28 am

separate_wayz wrote:"Get out your scoreboard", huh ....

Based on your more recent post I guess the score is:

Stale Geriatric Old Fart Democrat Committee Chairmen: 1

Meaningful Reforms (Including the Volker Plan): 0


The Volker Plan was never going to see the light of day. Paul Volker was a useful Obama prop during the 2008 campaign, after which he was shuffled off into oblivion.

Those committee chairmen I cited have been the bane of both Democrat and Republican presidents. And I'll anticipate your response: yes, the Republicans have had their share of true-reform blockers, like Jerry Lewis (R-CA) when he chaired the Appropriations Committee (a.k.a., "The Favor Factory"). A plague on both their houses.


Depends on your definition of "meaningful reform."
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.

I've been pretty vocal about this administration’s shortcomings, but given the record, I’m really not sure what leg you have to stand on.
Uner Bush, everything from the SEC to FEMA was gutted.
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Postby JrnyScarab » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:09 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!
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Postby artist4perry » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:13 am

JrnyScarab wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!


Both sided suck. And Democrat sheep are as gullible as Rep sheep..........those who see no flaws in their side are sheep. :D
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:17 am

artist4perry wrote:Both sided suck.


And what would you have us do?
Vote Green?
Vote Teabagger?
Vote LaRouche?

I mean this sincerly.
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Postby JrnyScarab » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:19 am

artist4perry wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!


Both sided suck. And Democrat sheep are as gullible as Rep sheep..........those who see no flaws in their side are sheep. :D


Sorry, but I do see flaws on both sides, but the fact is the Democrats platform is geared more to helping the average Joe in America than the Repubs. That's not to say they ACTUALLY always do what they say. Here's an interesting acticle about why people vote against their self interest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm
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Postby artist4perry » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:30 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Both sided suck.


And what would you have us do?
Vote Green?
Vote Teabagger?
Vote LaRouche?

I mean this sincerly.


Sincerely what I would have you guys think about is take no side at face value. Geez you guys argue Dems are better, Rep are better........both have good values too. But don't think their crap don't stink. Right now we are being fleeced by both sides in over spending and we need to voice it, not turn a blind eye! :D
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:45 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!


Both sided suck. And Democrat sheep are as gullible as Rep sheep..........those who see no flaws in their side are sheep. :D


Sorry, but I do see flaws on both sides, but the fact is the Democrats platform is geared more to helping the average Joe in America than the Repubs. That's not to say they ACTUALLY always do what they say. Here's an interesting acticle about why people vote against their self interest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm


I read this article earlier. Total rubbish. The article reeks of elitist snobbery and uses questionable scholarship (like Thomas Frank's book "What the Matter with Kansas"). I particularly like article's use of loaded phrases such as the "opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters." Really? Obvious, huh? So of course (no surprise) socialized-bureaucratized medicine is cited as an example.

Basically this BBC article amounts to a low-rent, hand-me-down, third-rate presentation of (discredited) false consciousness theory: "why do you proletariats keep opposing what WE know is good for you?!?" Gosh, if it weren't for you damn tea-baggers, the proletariat would find their correct class consciousiness and support ObamaCare. Damn tea-baggers!

Personally, I give voters credit for often seeing through politicians' bullshit, and knowing where it could lead (and usually has). It's just humorous that commentators (like the author of the BBC article) have to dig deep in their pile of discredited theories to explain what is so obviously upsetting to them. :D
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Postby separate_wayz » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:12 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!


Both sided suck. And Democrat sheep are as gullible as Rep sheep..........those who see no flaws in their side are sheep. :D


Sorry, but I do see flaws on both sides, but the fact is the Democrats platform is geared more to helping the average Joe in America than the Repubs. That's not to say they ACTUALLY always do what they say. Here's an interesting acticle about why people vote against their self interest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm


I read this article earlier. Total rubbish. The article reeks of elitist snobbery and uses questionable scholarship (like Thomas Frank's book "What's the Matter with Kansas"). I particularly like the article's use of loaded phrases such as the "opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters." Really? Obvious, huh? So of course (no surprise) socialized-bureaucratized medicine is cited as an example.

Basically this BBC article amounts to a low-rent, hand-me-down, third-rate presentation of (discredited) false consciousness theory: "why do you proletariats keep opposing what WE know is good for you?!?" Gosh, if it weren't for you damn tea-baggers, the proletariat would find their correct class consciousiness and support ObamaCare. Damn tea-baggers! :D

Personally, I give voters credit for often seeing through politicians' bullshit, and knowing where it could lead (and usually has). It's just humorous that commentators (like the author of this BBC article) have to dig deep in their pile of discredited theories to explain what is so obviously upsetting to them. :D
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Postby JrnyScarab » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:10 am

separate_wayz wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
artist4perry wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'll still take imperfect regulation over the non-existence of regulation, or worse, the systemic rollback of pre-existing regulations - which is all the GOP continually offers.
The fact that regulation, a four letter word under the last crew, is even a national topic of conversation, is some sort of victory for those who believe in clean government.


The House passed the Financial Reform bill in December with NOT ONE Republican vote! Wall Street seems to have them under their spell.

In the last week I've seen the following:

1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.

2) Obama outwitted the Repubs in their own setting. Very nice.

3) Repubs against meaningful financial reform.

Lots of nice campaign material for the Democrats if you ask me!


Both sided suck. And Democrat sheep are as gullible as Rep sheep..........those who see no flaws in their side are sheep. :D


Sorry, but I do see flaws on both sides, but the fact is the Democrats platform is geared more to helping the average Joe in America than the Repubs. That's not to say they ACTUALLY always do what they say. Here's an interesting acticle about why people vote against their self interest.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm


I read this article earlier. Total rubbish. The article reeks of elitist snobbery and uses questionable scholarship (like Thomas Frank's book "What's the Matter with Kansas"). I particularly like the article's use of loaded phrases such as the "opposition to reforms that appear to be of obvious benefit to voters." Really? Obvious, huh? So of course (no surprise) socialized-bureaucratized medicine is cited as an example.

Basically this BBC article amounts to a low-rent, hand-me-down, third-rate presentation of (discredited) false consciousness theory: "why do you proletariats keep opposing what WE know is good for you?!?" Gosh, if it weren't for you damn tea-baggers, the proletariat would find their correct class consciousiness and support ObamaCare. Damn tea-baggers! :D

Personally, I give voters credit for often seeing through politicians' bullshit, and knowing where it could lead (and usually has). It's just humorous that commentators (like the author of this BBC article) have to dig deep in their pile of discredited theories to explain what is so obviously upsetting to them. :D


Sure, nothing but rubbish. Anyone who is highly educated and works for the Govt must be an "Elitist Snob". Heaven forbid we have educated people running the country. I don't know about you, but if I had to have major surgery, I would rather have a doctor who went to Harvard Medical School operate vs someone educated at a lesser school.

Although people may be able to see through politicians bullshit (any there is plenty of it), to say that it's not obvious that health care reform would help many voters is crap. I have a friend who used to work for our company who has been laid off from his most recent job. In the meantime he found out that his young son has Leukemia. He is getting free medical care for him through the state. If not for this program his son would die. Now for example if he starts working for a new company full time that doesn't offer insurance, there is a good chance he will not be able to purchase some with his son's pre-existing condition and he will be above the income limits for the free care. Then what? He actually scoffed at me for voting for Obama. I said listen, do you think hard core Repubs would be in favor of a program like your son has right now? I don't think so.

I also work with a guy who would rather let my friend's son die instead of paying his tax dollars for this program. I think THAT'S RUBBISH. He is for all the military spending and then some, but he would rather spend it on that instead of helping someone he knows? Just ridiculous. I can't belive what our country has come to. It's all about me, me, me. Sorry but we live in a society together and need to help one another and not just through donations etc. Tax policy can and does help those who need it as well as those who take advantage of the system.
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Postby JrnyScarab » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:10 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Largest-ever federal payroll to hit 2.15 million


By Stephen Dinan

The era of big government has returned with a vengeance, in the form of the largest federal work force in modern history.

The Obama administration says the government will grow to 2.15 million employees this year, topping 2 million for the first time since President Clinton declared that "the era of big government is over" and joined forces with a Republican-led Congress in the 1990s to pare back the federal work force.


"The administration says 79 percent of the increases in recent years are from departments related to the war on terrorism: Justice, Defense, Homeland Security, State and Veterans Affairs."

See, you Cons started something that led to big increases in Govt employees. :lol:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:53 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Both sided suck.


And what would you have us do?
Vote Green?
Vote Teabagger?
Vote LaRouche?

I mean this sincerly.


Vote them ALL out...every last one of them...being a member of congress was never meant to be a life long career, it just turned into one when unscrupulous people found out about the perks...Seriously...they won't term limit themselves, so we need to do it for them.

They ALL stink, every last one of them.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:18 am

You know what I'd like to see? The abolishment of platform-based party affilliation. No-one running for public office should be able to run as a Democrat, Republican, or Independent.

Unfiltered messages without biases. I'd like to know where someone stands and what they TRULY believe is best for their constituency rather than worrying about saying the right thing in order to increase their chances of being elected. That would put partisan rhetoric to an end once and for all.
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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:28 am

Fact Finder wrote:Now click the link and see what Reuters has to say...I wonder why the story was pulled, and who pressured whom to remove it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100202/bs_ ... kdoortaxes


I'm not sure but I'd bet the phrase, "Don't think we aren't keeping score brother." was used! :lol:
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Postby hoagiepete » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:31 am

Just got this from a D friend of mine.

Democrats make better lovers. Who ever heard of a nice piece of elephant?

It may be old...but I got a kick out of it. Be a good sig.
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Postby S2M » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:39 am

I would wager my life on the fact that nearly 100% of the people in the world are first and foremost, selfish.....the only thing that differs is the degree.

Most people are under the assumption that if THEY themselves are doing well, then the President is doing a good job. This has to be the case because I saw alot of BUSH/Cheney stickers on Mercedes, Lexuses, and Acuras, and BMWS, and Infinitys....These people have a 'I'm doing well, fuck everyone else' attitude....

I just believe that people only give a shit about themselves and their own situation, and make decisions SOLELY based on that. You may say, 'Well DUH, Sean'....and I'd say, 'Fuck You'....Start having an Utilitarian outlook on things and make a damn difference.
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Postby donnaplease » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:06 am

7 Wishes wrote:You know what I'd like to see? The abolishment of platform-based party affilliation. No-one running for public office should be able to run as a Democrat, Republican, or Independent.

Unfiltered messages without biases. I'd like to know where someone stands and what they TRULY believe is best for their constituency rather than worrying about saying the right thing in order to increase their chances of being elected. That would put partisan rhetoric to an end once and for all.


I couldn't agree more. :) Does anyone else get tired of the name calling, insults, and just general ill will that flows whenever politics are discussed? :?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:10 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Now click the link and see what Reuters has to say...I wonder why the story was pulled, and who pressured whom to remove it?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100202/bs_ ... kdoortaxes


Reuters has issued a final update.
Plans to run the story again with edits have been dropped.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6114QK20100202
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:30 am

Hell TNC, post it for that numnut FF.

ADVISORY: Backdoor taxes story
Tue Feb 2, 2010 1:35pm EST

The Feb 1 story headlined "Backdoor taxes to hit middle class" is wrong and has been withdrawn. The story said lower-income families will pay more under tax provisions scheduled to expire Dec 31. The Obama administration's budget calls for the extension of those tax provisions for households earning less than $250,000. There will be no substitute story.


Oops, sorry, no dirt for you FF.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:26 am

7 Wishes wrote: No-one running for public office should be able to run as a Democrat, Republican, or Independent.


That'll never happen because the government free-loading, urban trash won't simply be able to vote for the candidate with the "D" next to his/her name.
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Postby Tito » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:31 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Both sided suck.


And what would you have us do?
Vote Green?
Vote Teabagger?
Vote LaRouche?

I mean this sincerly.


Pat Buchanan '92 or Ross Perot '92
Pat Buchanan '96 or Ross Perot '96
Pat Buchanan '00
S.O.L. '04
Ron Paul '08 (and Tancredo may have been good too '08)
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Postby artist4perry » Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:41 am

Tito wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
artist4perry wrote:Both sided suck.


And what would you have us do?
Vote Green?
Vote Teabagger?
Vote LaRouche?

I mean this sincerly.


Pat Buchanan '92 or Ross Perot '92
Pat Buchanan '96 or Ross Perot '96
Pat Buchanan '00
S.O.L. '04
Ron Paul '08 (and Tancredo may have been good too '08)


No offense Tito, but Ron Paul is a nutcase, so was Ross Perot! :shock: :shock:
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Postby strangegrey » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:07 am

JrnyScarab wrote:1) State of the Union - Obama talks about his tax cuts and Repubs stay seated while Democrats applaud. I thought Repubs love tax cuts? Oh, I get it... Only when THEY propose them.



Actually, No! They didn't applaud because what Obama did was NOT tax cuts. He didn't cut one SINGLE tax rate. Seriously.

Obama's statement that he cut taxes was a bold faced fucking lie...and the fact that republicans sat on their hands is more a clear picture of their position of strength....not weakness.

If you or anyone else too stupid to know the effective difference between a tax cut and a tax credit.....you deserve the current president. Seriously....
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Postby 7 Wishes » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:15 pm

Only you could think that a party that has an eighteen seat defecit in the Senate and does nothing else except make the rich richer whilst never once attempting to work with the current Administration is in a position of power.

If you don't think Democrats will make a point of noting this in the fall elections, you're even more out of touch than I suppose. The just-say-no policy is working right now because people are frustrated and have been misinformed by the Right. Once it becomes apparent that all progress was stalwarted because of the GOP's sardonic approach, it will come back to haunt them.
But around town, it was well known...when they got home at night
Their fat and psychopathic wives
Would thrash them within inches of their lives!
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