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journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL. Not taking away anything from him for anything at all but he more than likely felt his days were numbered after that recording. But if he came back today, i bet he would kill for that voice then.
Saint John wrote:Beyond any shadow of a doubt, I now know two things for certain: Steve Perry never planned on touring in 1996. Not ever and not for one second. And the Jonathan Cain phone call was the right decision. Had he not done that, they'd still be waiting. Hell, they are. The "open invitation" still stands.
And I'll pull a Steve Perry (as he did yesterday) and be totally honest here ... if Steve Perry got onstage with Neal, Jon, Steve and Ross, this Journey fan wouldn't give a shit what he sounded like, and I'm positive neither would anyone else. If one song is all he's got left I think it would be closure for everyone from individual band members to fans across the world if he could perform one song and walk off to the one last thunderous ovation that he never got. Even if he just nodded to Neal, Jon, Smitty and Ross and disappeared forever, I think it would put an end to whatever internal strife/resentment he has. And I bet it would heal whatever pain is in his heart to hear what would almost certainly be a half hour long standing and deafening ovation. And, all band bullshit aside, deservedly so.
journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL.
journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL. Not taking away anything from him for anything at all but he more than likely felt his days were numbered after that recording. But if he came back today, i bet he would kill for that voice then.
Lora wrote:journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL. Not taking away anything from him for anything at all but he more than likely felt his days were numbered after that recording. But if he came back today, i bet he would kill for that voice then.
Each post you make is more illogical and inane than the one before. There was nothing wrong with his vocals on TBF...some of his best work, in my opinion. If you are into the earlier Journey sound with the higher register vocals, that's fine. If you can't get into the vocals on TBF, that's fine too. But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Lora wrote:journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL. Not taking away anything from him for anything at all but he more than likely felt his days were numbered after that recording. But if he came back today, i bet he would kill for that voice then.
Each post you make is more illogical and inane than the one before. There was nothing wrong with his vocals on TBF...some of his best work, in my opinion. If you are into the earlier Journey sound with the higher register vocals, that's fine. If you can't get into the vocals on TBF, that's fine too. But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
journey361 wrote:In 30 to 35 years to this date, their has never been a singer or artists, however you want to put it, that sounds as good in any vocal level than one Mr. Perry. And i have heard so many say they sound like him but the fact remains that they really truly don't. With all that being said, the whole circle from his joining JOURNEY and leaving JOURNEY is a shame on all levels. There was way too much loves and laughs for them and us and it ended much too fast. All i have ever said is that he did lose his gift to some extent and that is why i am now giving up on new music from him. I guess all i have is Adam Lambert as he's the closest thing to Perry and it's really not even close.
Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
tammy wrote:Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
I suppose now we are again gonna hear that his hip injury was just a fallacy?
artist4perry wrote:Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
And I was so proud of you........I love the album, period. And maybe their splicing it apart ruined it. If you want him to sound bad you can fix it that way too. Killjoy.
Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Saint John wrote:Lora wrote: But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Perhaps "struggling" isn't the proper word. But I'm quite sure that the album was a "copy and paste" job of many, many takes ... most being only a few words at a time. Someone here posted awhile back that there's an Adobe program that subtracts the music from the background and isolates the vocals, and when that was done it was quite apparent that the vocals were many takes "strung" together. If true, one could deduce that it took everything only a studio could offer to produce the vocal quality on that album. And that's what always separated Steve Perry from everyone else ... the ability to actually sound as good or better live. I'm pretty sure he knew he couldn't pull it off live anymore and at some point, either before the recording or after, he realized that.
And I was so proud of you........I love the album, period. And maybe their splicing it apart ruined it. If you want him to sound bad you can fix it that way too. Killjoy.
Ginger, I'm not saying that it ruined the album. It just demonstrates that he couldn't sing live at the same level of those recordings. But that doesn't ruin the album in any capacity.
artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State coach Joe Paterno was released from the hospital on Tuesday, two days after undergoing hip replacement surgery. The 81-year-old coach had surgery to fix a sore hip that prevented him from pacing the sidelines.
The brown khakis were slightly rumpled, and the Nike sneakers were the trademark jet black. A cane, however, was nowhere in sight when Joe Paterno walked into the auditorium with nary a limp.
Nearly three weeks after hip replacement surgery, the Hall of Famer is easing back into his old routine at the job he's had 43 years: coaching No. 6 Penn State (11-1).
Lora wrote:journey361 wrote:People, it's been documented that Perry all but struggled to lay down those tracks for TBF. Iv'e heard it and read it and after hearing the CD, LOL. Not taking away anything from him for anything at all but he more than likely felt his days were numbered after that recording. But if he came back today, i bet he would kill for that voice then.
Each post you make is more illogical and inane than the one before. There was nothing wrong with his vocals on TBF...some of his best work, in my opinion. If you are into the earlier Journey sound with the higher register vocals, that's fine. If you can't get into the vocals on TBF, that's fine too. But your comment that he was struggling on that recording is absurd.
Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State coach Joe Paterno was released from the hospital on Tuesday, two days after undergoing hip replacement surgery. The 81-year-old coach had surgery to fix a sore hip that prevented him from pacing the sidelines.
The brown khakis were slightly rumpled, and the Nike sneakers were the trademark jet black. A cane, however, was nowhere in sight when Joe Paterno walked into the auditorium with nary a limp.
Nearly three weeks after hip replacement surgery, the Hall of Famer is easing back into his old routine at the job he's had 43 years: coaching No. 6 Penn State (11-1).
froy wrote:Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State coach Joe Paterno was released from the hospital on Tuesday, two days after undergoing hip replacement surgery. The 81-year-old coach had surgery to fix a sore hip that prevented him from pacing the sidelines.
The brown khakis were slightly rumpled, and the Nike sneakers were the trademark jet black. A cane, however, was nowhere in sight when Joe Paterno walked into the auditorium with nary a limp.
Nearly three weeks after hip replacement surgery, the Hall of Famer is easing back into his old routine at the job he's had 43 years: coaching No. 6 Penn State (11-1).
Greg Rollie sang with a broken leg back in 1980
The cast did not stop him
Im sorry the hip BS was BS
Health issues cannot be fought thats why they all give them.
How dare you say my hip is not broken.
Ok whatever Steve BTW who goes to hawaii to Rock climb by themself to get in shape to sing?
Bad BS story IMO.
brywool wrote:CatEyes wrote:
While not wanting to infringe on any one's freedom of speech, Why don't you crap in your OWN house?
Or does it make you hard when you trample on what others enjoy? Do you feel superior?
And finally, - and not because of SP - but because you and others feel that it is necessary to explain to the people here how useless and unnecessary their feelings are - with all due respect, kiss my fucking ass
Cat
Wait a sec.... so people can be in the Journey forum and go on and on about what crap Arnel is (among much worse things thrown at him about his ethnicity, etc.), and can slam Neal and Jon all they want with some pretty out of line comments, but if people come here and piss and moan about Perry not producing- that's not allowed?
Double Standard Alert.
I posted here (in the Under 200 Forum) because this is where the Perry thread was. Guess I could've done it in the Journey forum...
One thing I DON'T understand is why people start throwing crap at each other in these forums. So some don't agree with the blind hero worship, or have grown out of it. So what? Everbody's friends here I think, I just don't get why Perry's fans don't expect more out of him. Oh well, it's just my opinion.
I will try not to post a dissenting opinon... oh wait, now I'm being Sarky.
artist4perry wrote:froy wrote:Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State coach Joe Paterno was released from the hospital on Tuesday, two days after undergoing hip replacement surgery. The 81-year-old coach had surgery to fix a sore hip that prevented him from pacing the sidelines.
The brown khakis were slightly rumpled, and the Nike sneakers were the trademark jet black. A cane, however, was nowhere in sight when Joe Paterno walked into the auditorium with nary a limp.
Nearly three weeks after hip replacement surgery, the Hall of Famer is easing back into his old routine at the job he's had 43 years: coaching No. 6 Penn State (11-1).
Greg Rollie sang with a broken leg back in 1980
The cast did not stop him
Im sorry the hip BS was BS
Health issues cannot be fought thats why they all give them.
How dare you say my hip is not broken.
Ok whatever Steve BTW who goes to hawaii to Rock climb by themself to get in shape to sing?
Bad BS story IMO.
My oppinion is your oppinion sucks...........but that is my oppinion! LOL! Your hip was not hurt, and I think one could prove that he did or did not have surgery..........wich he eventually did.![]()
Geez do you need to see his scarred butt for proof.
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froy wrote:artist4perry wrote:froy wrote:Saint John wrote:artist4perry wrote:Sorry sweetie, I have to concure that it is hard to sing when your hip gives way. And then they had the fight because he was afraid to have the surgery.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State coach Joe Paterno was released from the hospital on Tuesday, two days after undergoing hip replacement surgery. The 81-year-old coach had surgery to fix a sore hip that prevented him from pacing the sidelines.
The brown khakis were slightly rumpled, and the Nike sneakers were the trademark jet black. A cane, however, was nowhere in sight when Joe Paterno walked into the auditorium with nary a limp.
Nearly three weeks after hip replacement surgery, the Hall of Famer is easing back into his old routine at the job he's had 43 years: coaching No. 6 Penn State (11-1).
Greg Rollie sang with a broken leg back in 1980
The cast did not stop him
Im sorry the hip BS was BS
Health issues cannot be fought thats why they all give them.
How dare you say my hip is not broken.
Ok whatever Steve BTW who goes to hawaii to Rock climb by themself to get in shape to sing?
Bad BS story IMO.
My oppinion is your oppinion sucks...........but that is my oppinion! LOL! Your hip was not hurt, and I think one could prove that he did or did not have surgery..........wich he eventually did.![]()
Geez do you need to see his scarred butt for proof.
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I guess his hip has been broken for the last 16 years
Wake up
Michigan Girl wrote:brywool wrote:To be a Steve Perry fan is to face constant Disappointment....
Hmmmm, not feelin' it...
brywool wrote:To be kept constantly waiting for the guy, only to have him emerge and say the same old stuff... How can anybody still be holding their breath for him? I don't get it.
Don't think he asked you to wait? You're the one who seems to have the problem? RETIRED for 13 years is pretty self-explanatory.I was THE hugest SP fan. Swear to God. He's the reason I wanted to sing. Greatest friggin rock voice of all time... But man... I just can't support the guy any longer. It's nice that he came out to throw out his usual tidbits of information (which have already been heard a billion times) but man, there's just NOTHING there.
Think you would have gotten the message after a "billion" times, huh?It'd be nice to get SOMETHING in the way of information about what he's doing, etc. If he's doing nothing- great-Say it. According to the interview, he's really not.
He's RETIRED so perhaps it's HIS business what he doing.All the predictions about albums in 2010, etc. appear to be nothing more than BS if you listen to the man himself. But others out there 'in the know' claim differently. Why?
Guess not "in the know" afterall?Whatever. Keep waiting on him and good luck to ya. To me, he's the biggest dissapointment Rock and Roll ever had. That doesn't take anything away from his legacy, but damn, enough of the waiting.
To me, he is a great artist and seems to be a thoughtful person.froy wrote:Steve Perry does not deserve the gift he was given, Just look at the way he handles it
Big asset in helping Journey sell what 45-50 million + his 2.5 million solo records. How dare he handle that gift so terribly, huh?I was never a part of the band bla bla bla
"they didn’t want to make it with a lead singer. They wanted to make it without one. They had Gregg Rolie, and that was enough. And he was a great vocalist for what they were looking for, but they didn’t want to have a singer out front."
"And what that meant was that there was a period of time where I always felt, from Neal, that I had to prove myself worthy of the position I was trying to occupy in the group. And not until it really took off, I think, did that question really get answered." SP / GQ'08
And if he were running the show like they said on that VH1 maybe that's even more reason for him to feel a bit ill at ease and make that statement. The band was in existence 4-5 years before he got there.Look at Elton, Neil Diamond U2 etc.
They keep on finding ways to reinvent themselves while Steve Perry keeps on talking about a 29 year old song.
Give 'em time - Are they retired yet?The fact is the voice is gone and the confidence is gone also.
Two down and one to go - a griping fan?Heck he is 61 years old with his prime behind him.
Now tell me something I don't know.I was the biggest Perry fan also in fact I saw all his tours
You coulda fooled me.Just great but his thought process when it came to being smart with his talent was simply terrible
he thought of himself before anyone else
"I was always on the edge of being what I expected out of myself, and what people wanted me to be, and I never wanted to settle for anything short of what it should be. And so I was always livin’ on that edge." SP /GQ'08Thats why he said he never felt like a part of the band.
"I didn’t have years of being in Santana under my belt, like Neal and Gregg. Ross Valory had played with Steve Miller and people like that, I didn’t have that. Aynsley Dunbar had played with everybody. I didn’t have that under my belt. So, yeah. I was the new kid. And I think that proving myself was something that went on for quite some time with the band members." SP /GQ'08He was the sole reason Smitty, Ross, Greg and Herbie were all out of the band.
"That lineup of Journey ended up becoming one of the biggest bands in the world. You even had your own video game."
"I was against that. Everybody went against me on that issue. ‘Cause I thought it was silly. I’ve come to find out that there’s a generation of kids who think it’s classic and wish they could find the arcade version. But I personally thought it was dumb." SP /GQ'08
He seems to have been overruled about that video game so why didn't the others overrule about Ross, Smitty and Herbie if they were not in agreement? Were they less important than the game? According to that VH1, Jon is the one who called Herbie and said "You gotta let us go." Did I get that right? Did Greg say on that VH1 that "you couldn't pay me a million dollars to pack another suitcase"?He took them all down. And he also took JRNY down.
The entity itself lost hundreds of millions of dollars because of Steve Perry.
Are your statements above and below his loss/lost? Don't have my calculator handy, but what did Journey, Next and Into the Future sell (about 300,000+ total?) before Steve Perry got there and what did they sell during Steve Perry's tenure and after with his voice on it? Don't think they would be playing for 30+ years if they didn't have some hits.... Think you're guessing at only the bad and not the good?Now all he has left is he misses it and he is talking into his tape recorder giving lines for songs.
..and seemingly an ungrateful, bitter and griping prior fan.He knows if he releases new music the first things he will hear is when are you going to tour and when are you going back with JRNY. Neither of which he will ever do again,
Okay, so he doesn't release any - problem solved!You have had a great career Steve we all know its over.
I think he RETIRED 13 + years ago. Aren't you a bit late coming to that conclusion?Thanks for the memories.
And the headaches?Now you owe me 10 bucks
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