Kevin Shirley - Again

[kidlatham]

from his website:
I'm headed back to continue the recording of the Black Country debut album, which is going to be very authentic - a real band, playing real songs and not a plethora of overdubs to water it down. That's not to say it's a live-in-the-studio album..... everyone is playing live in the studio, but there are selective refinements to enhance the music. Then later this year, new recordings with Journey and Joe Bonamassa for 2011 releases, amongst others...

good news or bad news? I liked the production on Revelation.

[Red13JoePa]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

[steveo777]

I wonder what kind of a budget they will have, since there is not gonna be another Walmart deal?

[Red13JoePa]

I wonder what kind of a budget they will have, since there is not gonna be another Walmart deal?

Must be decent if they're retaining Shirley again and how do you know WalMart is out of the question?

[steveo777]

I wonder what kind of a budget they will have, since there is not gonna be another Walmart deal?

Must be decent if they're retaining Shirley again and how do you know WalMart is out of the question?

I read somewhere that most of these Walmart deals are a one shot. Actually, I think it was Gunbot who posted that. He seems to know more about this kind of shit than I do.

[Red13JoePa]

I wonder what kind of a budget they will have, since there is not gonna be another Walmart deal?

Must be decent if they're retaining Shirley again and how do you know WalMart is out of the question?

I read somewhere that most of these Walmart deals are a one shot. Actually, I think it was Gunbot who posted that. He seems to know more about this kind of shit than I do.

Yea but if the band (at least as currently construed) stuck oil in their own garden GB would ask how many tomato plants died in so doing.

[steveo777]

I wonder what kind of a budget they will have, since there is not gonna be another Walmart deal?

Must be decent if they're retaining Shirley again and how do you know WalMart is out of the question?

I read somewhere that most of these Walmart deals are a one shot. Actually, I think it was Gunbot who posted that. He seems to know more about this kind of shit than I do.

Yea but if the band (at least as currently construed) stuck oil in their own garden GB would ask how many tomato plants died in so doing.

The answer is 3.

[Ehwmatt]

Not a huge fan of the Revelation sound, hope he does better this time around.

[WalrusOct9]

All these WalMart deals stipulate that the package contains a disc of old material (albeit re-recorded), but you can only really get away with that once, which is why these are generally one-shot deals. The Eagles were the exception, but there was also a 25+ year gap between records; there won't be the same excitement with the 4th post-Perry Journey album, trust me

[fightingilliniJRNY]

All these WalMart deals stipulate that the package contains a disc of old material (albeit re-recorded)

Pretty sure that's not a stipulation - that's just been the way it has turned out. Along with the Eagles album being a stand-alone, didn't AC/DC just have the Black Ice album?

I read somewhere that most of these Walmart deals are a one shot. Actually, I think it was Gunbot who posted that. He seems to know more about this kind of shit than I do.

Another thing that has just been the way everything has turned out. It's not a rule or anything. I'm going to guess if the deal was lucrative for both the band and Wal-Mart, there's no reason why they can't do it again. Why turn away from a good thing?

[jestor92]

Shirley does a great job as a producer, I just hope they come in with some good songs. Since Arrival their musical output has gotten progressively worse.

[maverick218]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

Rather have Shirley- Elson mixes everything too flat for my taste.

[maverick218]

from his website:
I'm headed back to continue the recording of the Black Country debut album, which is going to be very authentic - a real band, playing real songs and not a plethora of overdubs to water it down. That's not to say it's a live-in-the-studio album..... everyone is playing live in the studio, but there are selective refinements to enhance the music. Then later this year, new recordings with Journey and Joe Bonamassa for 2011 releases, amongst others...

good news or bad news? I liked the production on Revelation.

Joe Bonamassa rocks. I can't get his song "Stop" out of my head.

[brywool]

Um... didn't Elson produce Generations? Nobody seemed to like that album much.
The drums sounded terrible on it.

Shirley's fine.

[Ehwmatt]

Um... didn't Elson produce Generations? Nobody seemed to like that album much.
The drums sounded terrible on it.

Shirley's fine.

Generations sounded awesome....



If you want the record to sound like it was recorded in a 200-year old house's outhouse.

[stevew2]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

[Jana]

I thought the Revelation sound production was good.

[Rockindeano]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

[steveo777]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

So, Dean, let me ask you this....
If Schon or Cain didn't have prior knowlege of the lipping, why were you so down on them, or did you just figure out the the new and improved truth?

[Rockindeano]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

So, Dean, let me ask you this....
If Schon or Cain didn't have prior knowlege of the lipping, why were you so down on them, or did you just figure out the the new and improved truth?

That was sarcasm Stevie. At first when I was discovering this BS, I knew Schon and Cain were in on it..they had to be, as was Castronovo, Valory and all the sound guys. I was stupid and stood next to Schon as he was being very friendly to me and I was feeling the euphoria of "being in the know." I have apologized and will again to Steve Augeri. He certainly is not wihtout fault here, but he was hardly the bad guy I painted him as when this shit first reared it's ugly head. I can tell you 100% truthfully this horrible idea was none other than Mr. Azoff. he said, and I am paraphrasing here, "if Britney Spears can do it, so can we." I had Schon tell me on voicemail(Red13JoePa heard it), that"everyone's doin' it dude, the Leppard all these bands." Don't want to try to rehash this ugly era at all, just thought I would clear that up real quick.

[steveo777]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

So, Dean, let me ask you this....
If Schon or Cain didn't have prior knowlege of the lipping, why were you so down on them, or did you just figure out the the new and improved truth?

That was sarcasm Stevie. At first when I was discovering this BS, I knew Schon and Cain were in on it..they had to be, as was Castronovo, Valory and all the sound guys. I was stupid and stood next to Schon as he was being very friendly to me and I was feeling the euphoria of "being in the know." I have apologized and will again to Steve Augeri. He certainly is not wihtout fault here, but he was hardly the bad guy I painted him as when this shit first reared it's ugly head. I can tell you 100% truthfully this horrible idea was none other than Mr. Azoff. he said, and I am paraphrasing here, "if Britney Spears can do it, so can we." I had Schon tell me on voicemail(Red13JoePa heard it), that"everyone's doin' it dude, the Leppard all tese bands." Don't want to try to rehash this ugly era at all, just thought I would clear that up real quick.

Thanks for the clarifcation, chief.

[RumTumJM]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

So, Dean, let me ask you this....
If Schon or Cain didn't have prior knowlege of the lipping, why were you so down on them, or did you just figure out the the new and improved truth?

That was sarcasm Stevie. At first when I was discovering this BS, I knew Schon and Cain were in on it..they had to be, as was Castronovo, Valory and all the sound guys. I was stupid and stood next to Schon as he was being very friendly to me and I was feeling the euphoria of "being in the know." I have apologized and will again to Steve Augeri. He certainly is not wihtout fault here, but he was hardly the bad guy I painted him as when this shit first reared it's ugly head. I can tell you 100% truthfully this horrible idea was none other than Mr. Azoff. he said, and I am paraphrasing here, "if Britney Spears can do it, so can we." I had Schon tell me on voicemail(Red13JoePa heard it), that"everyone's doin' it dude, the Leppard all tese bands." Don't want to try to rehash this ugly era at all, just thought I would clear that up real quick.

Just out of curiosity, when you mention Leppard, are you referring to lead vocals, background or both? (Or is this just referencing that infamous Dancing With The Stars appearance?) I know there has always been speculation of tapes with Lep, but I never realized it was actually proven like with Journey. That sucks just a much as Journey if Elliot is definitively using tapes (I always thought they just used an abundance of effects on his live voice.)

[Rockindeano]

I'd rather see Elson again but have no problem w/ Shirley.

I wont buy anything with Elson s name on it. He was the master mind of the lipping fiasco back with Augeri. Total piece of shit

No he wasn't. Azoff himself concocted the idea. Elson just spearheaded it without the knowledge of Schon or Cain. Elson was the "magic" and that guy pulled it off(almost), quite well. Had he only used more than the 2001 dvd, he would have made it.

Shirley is twice the producer. Hell, if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

So, Dean, let me ask you this....
If Schon or Cain didn't have prior knowlege of the lipping, why were you so down on them, or did you just figure out the the new and improved truth?

That was sarcasm Stevie. At first when I was discovering this BS, I knew Schon and Cain were in on it..they had to be, as was Castronovo, Valory and all the sound guys. I was stupid and stood next to Schon as he was being very friendly to me and I was feeling the euphoria of "being in the know." I have apologized and will again to Steve Augeri. He certainly is not wihtout fault here, but he was hardly the bad guy I painted him as when this shit first reared it's ugly head. I can tell you 100% truthfully this horrible idea was none other than Mr. Azoff. he said, and I am paraphrasing here, "if Britney Spears can do it, so can we." I had Schon tell me on voicemail(Red13JoePa heard it), that"everyone's doin' it dude, the Leppard all tese bands." Don't want to try to rehash this ugly era at all, just thought I would clear that up real quick.

Just out of curiosity, when you mention Leppard, are you referring to lead vocals, background or both? (Or is this just referencing that infamous Dancing With The Stars appearance?) I know there has always been speculation of tapes with Lep, but I never realized it was actually proven like with Journey. That sucks just a much as Journey if Elliot is definitively using tapes (I always thought they just used an abundance of effects on his live voice.)

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Had I cared one pubic hair at all about Leppard, I definitely could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they get help in all kinds of forms. The Leppard has always been a pathetic shell of a band, and after Adrenalize, they were more fake than fake can be. I saw a soundcheck for Leppard and get this..there was sound alright but funny, not one band member showed up! There was guitar, vocals bass the whole 9 yards. That band is a joke. Look, if you can't do it, quit already. Journey is no different. Their problem is that a handful of hardcore fans wanted the truth and looked into it and exposed them. I wish I could back in time and do it all differently, I really do. I would have done things 90% different. But what's done is done but there is so much more I know now that I didn't know then, it's staggering. That's why I haven't spun a Journey record in 2 years. It just reeks of corruption from the top all the way to the drum riser. Everyone knew and while I know it's certainly difficult to come clean and admit this lipping deal, all Journey had to do was cancel the Def leppard tour and it never would have gotten out. That's what really pissed me off- they knew we knew and coninued to do it anyway. The fans had them nailed and the they laughed in our faces, but gladly for them, only Steve Augeri lost his job and no one in music found out because Journey isn't on the tips of anyone's tongue. Nobody cared. It just proves what a scumbag Azoff is and the rest of the band is only slightly better, if you can call it "better." No one can dispute the facts and the filth they showed themselves to be.

[steveo777]

Journey has used recorded backing vocals for some time. I don't think anyone has a beef with that. ( I was addressing RumTum)

[Don]

All these WalMart deals stipulate that the package contains a disc of old material (albeit re-recorded)

Pretty sure that's not a stipulation - that's just been the way it has turned out. Along with the Eagles album being a stand-alone, didn't AC/DC just have the Black Ice album?

I read somewhere that most of these Walmart deals are a one shot. Actually, I think it was Gunbot who posted that. He seems to know more about this kind of shit than I do.

Another thing that has just been the way everything has turned out. It's not a rule or anything. I'm going to guess if the deal was lucrative for both the band and Wal-Mart, there's no reason why they can't do it again. Why turn away from a good thing?

AC/DC and the Eagles can sell two million packages without their Greatest Hits Lumped in. It's the second tier rockbands like Journey, REO and Foreigner that needed to pack in the extras. journey could very well be the ones to get a second deal but without a greatest hits package including DSB, I don't see it happening. If it does, I doubt it would be the same royalty rate they got with the Revelation Package. Wal-Mart can throw money at the Eagles because they are guaranteed 3 million units out the door. Now, Journey did better than their peers but even then, barely moved a million packages with the greatest hits and DVD thrown in. I can't see Journey getting the same money for something that has no guarantee of being a multi-platinum album this time around.

If Neal wanted to, he could release straight to itunes and basically get seven dollars per 10 track disc, the same thing he would have gotten with Wal-Mart. Of course, he has to market the album himself that way though.

[Rockindeano]

Journey has used recorded backing vocals for some time. I don't think anyone has a beef with that.

No one is talking bg vox Steve. That is no big deal either. I wish they only used bg vox and I could still be a fan. It's sad for me really, because they're music was so great...but now it's just tarnished and frankly that's unfair to Steve Perry, who had nothing to do with the bad in the band, only the good.

[steveo777]

Journey has used recorded backing vocals for some time. I don't think anyone has a beef with that.

No one is talking bg vox Steve. That is no big deal either. I wish they only used bg vox and I could still be a fan. It's sad for me really, because they're music was so great...but now it's just tarnished and frankly that's unfair to Steve Perry, who had nothing to do with the bad in the band, only the good.

It kind of throws Pineda into that same category, even though he has nothing to do with it.

[Rockindeano]

Journey has used recorded backing vocals for some time. I don't think anyone has a beef with that.

No one is talking bg vox Steve. That is no big deal either. I wish they only used bg vox and I could still be a fan. It's sad for me really, because they're music was so great...but now it's just tarnished and frankly that's unfair to Steve Perry, who had nothing to do with the bad in the band, only the good.

It kind of throws Pineda into that same category, even though he has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, I know it. Pineda is in a different situation because he was poorer than a Haitian panhandler and needed the dough. I bet you Behshads nuts in an ice cream cone Pineda knows about the lipping of journey. I bet he keeps his yap shut and collects his paycheck. It's unfair to him but then again, life's unfair.

[Don]

Journey has used recorded backing vocals for some time. I don't think anyone has a beef with that.

No one is talking bg vox Steve. That is no big deal either. I wish they only used bg vox and I could still be a fan. It's sad for me really, because they're music was so great...but now it's just tarnished and frankly that's unfair to Steve Perry, who had nothing to do with the bad in the band, only the good.

It kind of throws Pineda into that same category, even though he has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, I know it. Pineda is in a different situation because he was poorer than a Haitian panhandler and needed the dough. I bet you Behshads nuts in an ice cream cone Pineda knows about the lipping of journey. I bet he keeps his yap shut and collects his paycheck. It's unfair to him but then again, life's unfair.

Pineda has absolutely nothing to complain about. The band doesn't seem to ask anything of him except to show up and sing the lyrics put in front of him. I can't think of him having a qualm about what is fair and unfair.

[Arkansas]

... if they were smart, they would ask Perry to produce it. He knows the true Journey sound better than anyone.

Something I've preached for years. There's no reason why Perry can't still be in the band, just not on stage.


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