Which one of you in here is Billy Anderson???

General Intelligent Discussion & One Thread About That Buttknuckle

Moderator: Andrew

Which one of you in here is Billy Anderson???

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:37 am

Well I just got a pretty nasty message from one of you on myspace, and I'd like to know who you are in here. Dude if you've got a beef with me... just bring it out in the open. You don't like that I post in MR? Well last time I checked, this is an open forum. You don't like me or my band? That's fine... it's your perogative, and we all have our likes and dislikes. You say my band sucks, and we aren't going anywhere? Maybe not, but I don't make a living at this... it's just a hobby. Judging by how many people listen to our songs, I don't think we COMPLETELY suck!

You think I'm conceited? Okay, I seriously disagree with you, but again... that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't believe that I have an ego, but who knows... maybe I do come across like that in here? If I do, I can assure you that anyone who knows me personally would disagree, and it's not intentional. :? I do like to cut up in here...

I like to come on here and unwind. I like to tell jokes, be a smart-ass and have a good time. I like to make people laugh. I like the fact that people here ask me for advice when they're going through troubles, because I know it means they trust me and think of me as a friend.

If I've done or said anything to offend you, please let me know what it is. But until Andrew asks me to stop promoting my band or discussing non-Journey related items... I will CONTINUE! If you don't like it, just don't read my damn threads! :evil:
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:39 am

Not me!!
but let me at him ... :evil: :wink:
Michigan Girl
MP3
 
Posts: 13963
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:36 am

Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:43 am

You don't come across as having an ego in the least. You're one of the best musicians on the board and you've always taken criticism and praise equally well. Your music has come along miles and miles since you first started sharing it with us and it sounds great!

You're also one of the best posters, so fuck this fag.

Finally, you're a hell of a nice guy and hilarious... especially talkin shit while drunk to dicks on CoD 2 :lol:

It ain't worth gettin wound up over Jim, this guy needs a good dick in the ass and probably will like it.
User avatar
Ehwmatt
MP3
 
Posts: 10907
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:15 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Which one of you in here is Billy Anderson???

Postby lights1961 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:46 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Well I just got a pretty nasty message from one of you on myspace, and I'd like to know who you are in here. Dude if you've got a beef with me... just bring it out in the open. You don't like that I post in MR? Well last time I checked, this is an open forum. You don't like me or my band? That's fine... it's your perogative, and we all have our likes and dislikes. You say my band sucks, and we aren't going anywhere? Maybe not, but I don't make a living at this... it's just a hobby. Judging by how many people listen to our songs, I don't think we COMPLETELY suck!

You think I'm conceited? Okay, I seriously disagree with you, but again... that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't believe that I have an ego, but who knows... maybe I do come across like that in here? If I do, I can assure you that anyone who knows me personally would disagree, and it's not intentional. :? I do like to cut up in here...

I like to come on here and unwind. I like to tell jokes, be a smart-ass and have a good time. I like to make people laugh. I like the fact that people here ask me for advice when they're going through troubles, because I know it means they trust me and think of me as a friend.

If I've done or said anything to offend you, please let me know what it is. But until Andrew asks me to stop promoting my band or discussing non-Journey related items... I will CONTINUE! If you don't like it, just don't read my damn threads! :evil:


must be jealous of you.

Rick
Rick
lights1961
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 5362
Joined: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:33 am

Re: Which one of you in here is Billy Anderson???

Postby Deb » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:50 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Well I just got a pretty nasty message from one of you on myspace, and I'd like to know who you are in here. Dude if you've got a beef with me... just bring it out in the open. You don't like that I post in MR? Well last time I checked, this is an open forum. You don't like me or my band? That's fine... it's your perogative, and we all have our likes and dislikes. You say my band sucks, and we aren't going anywhere? Maybe not, but I don't make a living at this... it's just a hobby. Judging by how many people listen to our songs, I don't think we COMPLETELY suck!

You think I'm conceited? Okay, I seriously disagree with you, but again... that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't believe that I have an ego, but who knows... maybe I do come across like that in here? If I do, I can assure you that anyone who knows me personally would disagree, and it's not intentional. :? I do like to cut up in here...

I like to come on here and unwind. I like to tell jokes, be a smart-ass and have a good time. I like to make people laugh. I like the fact that people here ask me for advice when they're going through troubles, because I know it means they trust me and think of me as a friend.

If I've done or said anything to offend you, please let me know what it is. But until Andrew asks me to stop promoting my band or discussing non-Journey related items... I will CONTINUE! If you don't like it, just don't read my damn threads! :evil:


Screw em Jimbo! Don't let him get to ya, guy obviously has nothing better to do than bag on some stranger on the internet trying to get a rise out of somebody, pity. Don't change a thing, you are who you are and that's what makes this forum so great, it's worldwide dysfunctional mix of characters. :wink: :lol:
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby JasonD » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:57 am

Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?
.
.

Image

Image
User avatar
JasonD
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 2477
Joined: Tue May 26, 2009 8:33 am
Location: Detroit, Michigan

Postby Deb » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:01 am

JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


No that would be Deano. :lol: :lol:
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:04 am

FOUND HIM!!! :D

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bil ... rson_b.jpg
ImagePISCATAWAY, N.J. – Rutgers senior defensive back Billy Anderson (West Orange, N.J.) has been nominated for the 18th annual Allstate/AFCA Good Works Team, the group announced.

Anderson, who is entering his fifth year with the Rutgers program this season, is a cornerback for the Scarlet Knights. He appeared in five contests last season against Morgan State, USF, Louisville and the PapaJohns.com Bowl victory over NC State. The defensive back notched a career-best three solo tackles in extended action against Louisville in the regular-season finale at Rutgers Stadium last December.

The fifth-year senior has devoted his time off the field to several community service initiatives. In spring of 2007, Anderson traveled down to the hurricane devastated area of Mississippi with Athletes in Action and helped build a house and help bring the area back to what it was prior to the storms. In the spring of 2008, he joined Athletes in Action as they took part in building a house in a New Jersey town close to the Rutgers campus.

The senior has also joined several of his Scarlet Knight teammates and head coach Greg Schiano at the opening ceremonies of Special Olympics New Jersey on three occasions in Trenton.

He is a regular participant in the “Read Across America” program where he has visited several elementary schools in New Jersey. The defensive back has also spoken at several youth football clinics and recently visited the Pop Warner team in nearby Manville.

During the holiday season last December, Anderson participated in a holiday toy drive and visited a shelter in New Brunswick where he handed out gifts to children.

Last season, Rutgers wide receiver Tiquan Underwood, who was drafted by the Jacksonville Jaguars this past April, was nominated for the Allstate/AFCA Good Works Team.

A second-year sponsor of the award, Allstate has assembled a high-profile voting panel that has helped select the nominees, including former Good Works Team® members Matt Stinchcomb (Georgia) and Mewelde Moore (Tulane), and Hall of Fame coach and ESPN personality Lou Holtz, who is serving as the spokesperson for the program. From the list of 106 nominees, two 11-player Allstate / AFCA Good Works Teams® – one for the Football Bowl Subdivision (Div. I-A) and the other for the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision, Divisions II, III and NAIA will be announced during the 2009 college football season.
Michigan Girl
MP3
 
Posts: 13963
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:36 am

Postby KDOUBLEU » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:05 am

Your a class act in my book Jim.
KDOUBLEU
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1383
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:48 am
Location: Grand Rapids Michigan

Postby lights1961 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:13 am

Michigan Girl wrote:FOUND HIM!!! :D

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bil ... rson_b.jpg
ImagePISCATAWAY, N.J. – Rutgers senior defensive back Billy Anderson (West Orange, N.J.) has been nominated for the 18th annual Allstate/AFCA Good Works Team, the group announced.

Anderson, who is entering his fifth year with the Rutgers program this season, is a cornerback for the Scarlet Knights. He appeared in five contests last season against Morgan State, USF, Louisville and the PapaJohns.com Bowl victory over NC State. The defensive back notched a career-best three solo tackles in extended action against Louisville in the regular-season finale at Rutgers Stadium last December.

The fifth-year senior has devoted his time off the field to several community service initiatives. In spring of 2007, Anderson traveled down to the hurricane devastated area of Mississippi with Athletes in Action and helped build a house and help bring the area back to what it was prior to the storms. In the spring of 2008, he joined Athletes in Action as they took part in building a house in a New Jersey town close to the Rutgers campus.

The senior has also joined several of his Scarlet Knight teammates and head coach Greg Schiano at the opening ceremonies of Special Olympics New Jersey on three occasions in Trenton.

He is a regular participant in the “Read Across America” program where he has visited several elementary schools in New Jersey. The defensive back has also spoken at several youth football clinics and recently visited the Pop Warner team in nearby Manville.

During the holiday season last December, Anderson participated in a holiday toy drive and visited a shelter in New Brunswick where he handed out gifts to children.

Last season, Rutgers wide receiver Tiquan Underwood, who was drafted by the Jacksonville Jaguars this past April, was nominated for the Allstate/AFCA Good Works Team.

A second-year sponsor of the award, Allstate has assembled a high-profile voting panel that has helped select the nominees, including former Good Works Team® members Matt Stinchcomb (Georgia) and Mewelde Moore (Tulane), and Hall of Fame coach and ESPN personality Lou Holtz, who is serving as the spokesperson for the program. From the list of 106 nominees, two 11-player Allstate / AFCA Good Works Teams® – one for the Football Bowl Subdivision (Div. I-A) and the other for the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision, Divisions II, III and NAIA will be announced during the 2009 college football season.


IAM LMAO!!
Rick
lights1961
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 5362
Joined: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:33 am

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:14 am

JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate it, and no Jason, this post is not a joke. Maybe this is just catching me off guard here because I'm a very up-front person. If I have a beef with someone, I let them know immediately. I'm sure I'll never find out what his screen-name here is, but I just think it's a shitty way to get a message across! :? It's not hard... if you don't like my posts, don't read them.
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby Ehwmatt » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:17 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate it, and no Jason, this post is not a joke. Maybe this is just catching me off guard here because I'm a very up-front person. If I have a beef with someone, I let them know immediately. I'm sure I'll never find out what his screen-name here is, but I just think it's a shitty way to get a message across! :? It's not hard... if you don't like my posts, don't read them.


If it's a regular poster who has been here within the last two years or so since I became really active here, I bet I could have a good guess from the writing style. I'm guessing it's someone who isn't around much or lurks.
User avatar
Ehwmatt
MP3
 
Posts: 10907
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:15 am
Location: Cleveland, OH

Postby portland » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:23 am

Jim,


You are one of the best here.....end of story.
portland
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 7457
Joined: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:57 am
Location: Maine

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:23 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate it, and no Jason, this post is not a joke. Maybe this is just catching me off guard here because I'm a very up-front person. If I have a beef with someone, I let them know immediately. I'm sure I'll never find out what his screen-name here is, but I just think it's a shitty way to get a message across! :? It's not hard... if you don't like my posts, don't read them.


If it's a regular poster who has been here within the last two years or so since I became really active here, I bet I could have a good guess from the writing style. I'm guessing it's someone who isn't around much or lurks.


Well judging his myspace page, I believe he may have just created it to send me the nasty message. He has no picutres, no friends, and no music. It's honestly like he just created an account to be an asshole! All it says is that he's single, and that he's a 30 year old Taurus. :? I'm also assuming that it's a fake name. Hell... maybe it's Dan or Deano!
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:24 am

portland wrote:Jim,


You are one of the best here.....end of story.


I know you are, but what am I? :wink:
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby JasonD » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:32 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate it, and no Jason, this post is not a joke. Maybe this is just catching me off guard here because I'm a very up-front person. If I have a beef with someone, I let them know immediately. I'm sure I'll never find out what his screen-name here is, but I just think it's a shitty way to get a message across! :? It's not hard... if you don't like my posts, don't read them.


If it's a regular poster who has been here within the last two years or so since I became really active here, I bet I could have a good guess from the writing style. I'm guessing it's someone who isn't around much or lurks.


Well judging his myspace page, I believe he may have just created it to send me the nasty message. He has no picutres, no friends, and no music. It's honestly like he just created an account to be an asshole! All it says is that he's single, and that he's a 30 year old Taurus. :? I'm also assuming that it's a fake name. Hell... maybe it's Dan or Deano!

I'd say "out" the person, Jim, but I know you're not going to do that so why not do what Matt suggested? PM him the information & see if he can figure out who it is by the writing style?

My guess is it has to be a newbie b/c anybody who's been here any length of time has to be familiar enough with you to know you're not conceited..... unless it is actually Dan or Deano playing a not-so-funny joke. :evil:
.
.

Image

Image
User avatar
JasonD
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 2477
Joined: Tue May 26, 2009 8:33 am
Location: Detroit, Michigan

Postby Carla777 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:44 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Well judging his myspace page, I believe he may have just created it to send me the nasty message. He has no picutres, no friends, and no music. It's honestly like he just created an account to be an asshole! All it says is that he's single, and that he's a 30 year old Taurus. :? I'm also assuming that it's a fake name. Hell... maybe it's Dan or Deano!



There you have it, you are nice people with everybody and your music is pretty good..hope don't be affected by the ENVY this person have. Keep rockin'!!
User avatar
Carla777
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1521
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:06 pm
Location: Chile

Postby Don » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:48 am

My name's Billy and you suck.
Don
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 24896
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:53 am

Gunbot wrote:My name's Billy and you suck.


You suck!
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby Don » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:54 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
Gunbot wrote:My name's Billy and you suck.


You suck!

:lol:
Don
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 24896
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:55 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
Gunbot wrote:My name's Billy and you suck.


You suck!


No...you both suck. Now knock it off or I'll send ya both to your rooms! :wink: :lol:
User avatar
steveo777
MP3
 
Posts: 11311
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm
Location: Citrus Heights, Ca

Postby Everett » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:13 am

I'M billy anderson scratch that I'M BATMAN :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
All in a day's work
Everett
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 5791
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:17 pm
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:15 am

steveo777 wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
Gunbot wrote:My name's Billy and you suck.


You suck!


you both suck.


you ALL suck. :lol:
User avatar
bluejeangirl76
MP3
 
Posts: 13346
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:36 am

Postby Babyblue » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:26 am

JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Jason he is not playing this time its for real.And whoever this jackass is asking for alot of trouble from the rest of us.
Styx & Gowan fan forever
Keep On Rocking Guys:)

I will never stop believeing in you SP.:)
Babyblue
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8023
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:04 pm
Location: Grits girls raised in the south.

Postby G.I.Jim » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:59 am

Babyblue wrote:
JasonD wrote:Is this a SERIOUS post, Jim? Or is this another one of your reverse psychology post like when you write, "I'd better NOT catch any of you listening to my music!!!!".... which means you really want us to check it out? If you're joking, then you need to tone it down a tad b/c you're sounding kind of mean here. If you're serious, then someone out there is really whacked!!!! You're one of the nicest people here. I can't imagine anybody disliking YOU. You're like the moral compass poster child for Melodicrock. :?


Jason he is not playing this time its for real.And whoever this jackass is asking for alot of trouble from the rest of us.


While I appreciate all of your nice comments, I don't want to attack whoever it is... I just want to know who it is so I can avoid them in the future. Why they didn't just PM me in here... I don't understand. Actually, I think I do. I think it's either someone who I THINK is a friend in here that doesn't want me to know how he (or she) feels about my songs, or it's someone who just has no backbone and won't say it to my face.

After thinking about this... It may not even be a male. ANYONE could use the name Billy. Maybe it's just to throw me off. :?

I don't have any beef whatsoever with someone not liking my music... we all have different likes/dislikes. But like I said, if they don't want to hear it, don't listen to it. Also, they don't have to click on my threads if they don't like me. It's not that hard.
The artist formerly known as Jim. :-)
G.I.Jim
MP3
 
Posts: 10100
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:06 pm
Location: Your Momma's house

Postby Don » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:07 am

Isn't Neal's middle name William?
Don
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 24896
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:09 am

Jimbo,

If some dickless jerk thinks your music sucks , it shouldn't bother you one bit bro. You got the talent you dare to dream and you share it with others.
This cowards doesn't even have the balls to openly tell you that he doesn't like your music , that right there shows how he/she lives their life. As far as you should be concerned , it's a NOBODY , who probably has only had 3 girlfriends in his entire miserable life and all 3 were "Anne"'s

AnneVisable, AnnFlatable and AnneJob.

Your only mistake was making a thread here and give this lowlife an attention he didn't need nor deserve.



P
Image
User avatar
Behshad
MP3
 
Posts: 12584
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:08 am

Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:10 am

Gunbot wrote:Isn't Neal's middle name William?


No, it's Joseph.
User avatar
steveo777
MP3
 
Posts: 11311
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm
Location: Citrus Heights, Ca

Postby Don » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:11 am

steveo777 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Isn't Neal's middle name William?


No, it's Joseph.


Thanks for the quick response. Crisis averted.
Don
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 24896
Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:01 pm

Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:14 am

Gunbot wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:Isn't Neal's middle name William?


No, it's Joseph.


Thanks for the quick response. Crisis averted.


Any time, pal. :wink:
User avatar
steveo777
MP3
 
Posts: 11311
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm
Location: Citrus Heights, Ca

Next

Return to Snowmobiles For The Sahara

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest