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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:23 am

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Tomulator wrote:It's bullshit you know.

Fucking retarded Libs.

I wouldn't paint the 9-11 Truth Movement as being narrowly confined to one political faction over another.
I've witnessed alot of this on both sides.
In fact, much of the activity generated by the Truthers has stemmed from Ron Paul- survivalist libertarian types, and Alex Jones new-world-order, anti-government paranoids.
In other words, the hard right.
Not surprisingly, the first national figures to openly express doubts in the official story were extreme leftist, Rosie O'Donnell, and self-identified libertarian, Jesse Ventura.
Together, they represent a fair cross-section of "believers".


Ron who? LOL :lol:
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:44 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:Just a little background so you all know where I'm coming from on this topic.

I had always believed the "official" explanation of what happened on that tragic day, I had no reason to think otherwise.

A little over a year ago I was looking up news footage of 9/11. Just regular news reports nothing else. As soon as I first spotted some people claiming that our own government was behind the attacks I thought those people making those claims were a bunch of morons and there was no way that our own government would do that. I blew-off the conspiracy claims for quite a while. Some time went by and I once again came across information that was claiming that it was our own government that carried out the attacks.
The more I looked into it, the more convincing the evidence was that it was possible.

After watching not only "Loose Change" but "September 11th Revisited" and reading hours upon hours of transcripts and other articles, I can now say that I'm 99% sure that it was unfortunately certain members of our government that carried out the attacks.

I hate to say that. I wish that there was no way that it could possibly be true. I would love to be proven wrong! But sadly, very sadly, the evidence shows the overwhelming probability that it was our own government that carried out the attacks.

I don't view myself as being either a democrat or a republican. My belief on the matter is NOT politically driven, I can't possibly make that clearer.

I have not only watched "Loose Change" and the other "Truther" videos, but also the videos that claim to debunk the conspiracy claims. And unfortunately, the debunking is full of Grand-Canyon sized holes.

Unless someone has watched the 'Truther" videos then they really have no room to say that it's false.

If any of you have never watched "Loose Change" "September 11th Revisited" and the other "Truther" videos, you really need to watch them at least once. Then you can come to your own conclusions. But burying ones head in the sand or plugging ones ears so that you don't have to face certain possibilities is never a good thing, ever.

By the way. Other than having seen the name in print, I still don't have any idea who Ron Paul is. As of just recently I now know who Alex Jones is, but I have never listened to his show, or even know if it's even carried in my hometown.

And I do not qualify as being a conspiracy theorist in general by any means.


There is no way the American people would allow that kind of tragedy to happen at the hands of our own government and not have some asses on trial to pay for it. No way whatsoever, if any of it were true. There are plenty of people who capitalize on the fact that we have plenty enough loons in this country that will buy into conspiracy. I'm surprised you don't know who Ron Paul is, since his followers have been generally characterized as loons.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:51 am

steveo777 wrote:There is no way the American people would allow that kind of tragedy to happen at the hands of our own government and not have some asses on trial to pay for it.

I don't think our government had anything to do with it.
I do think you are wong, however, to say that our country demands accountability of our public officials.
Since when? Most can't even be bothered to show up and vote.
Case in point - the UK right now is holding a massive hearing into how Tony Blair sold the bill of goods known as the Iraq War.
No such public flogging on this side of the pond, I'm afraid.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:10 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?


Sure they can.
Do I think the media is capable of sitting on the scoop of the century more than 9 years after the event took place?
No way...
Not when the NYTimes could only keep quiet about the illegal wiretaps for a year, despite the White House's urging.
Someone would've squealed by now.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:11 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?

Hell, I never even heard any claims of it being our government that carried out the attacks until about a year ago. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Yet, the government continues to hide everything to the best of their ability. Why was all of the steel from the World Trade Centers shipped off to be melted down in China as quickly as it could be?
Could it be to hide the proven fact that thermite and thermate were found in abundance in the steel of the WTC beams?

Why was there thermite and thermate in the WTC's?

Was MARVIN BUSH one of the chiefs of security of the WTC's or not?

Were there "War Games" going on on 9/11/2001 or not?

What hit the Pentagon, because it certainly wasn't the plane that they claim hit it. You can't force a round peg into a square hole.

I simply don't have the time to list all of the questions that the government can't truthfully answer.


An American Airlines jet flew into the towers and my sister who works for American lost some coworkers. Where did American flight 77 go, if not the Pentagon? Those loses of planes and personnel were very real.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:46 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?


Sure they can.
Do I think the media is capable of sitting on the scoop of the century more than 9 years after the event took place?
No way...
Even the NYTimes only sat on the illegall wiretap story for a year.
Someone would've squealed.



One thing that any government will do is try to paint someone as being unpatriotic if they don't follow the "company line" on what they say. Dan Rather has said this himself. That if someone doesn't go along with what the government says that their painted as being unpatriotic.

Look at what Steveo777 is trying to do right now. He's trying to just dismiss me as being some "loon."
"You know what you see. But your afraid to go against the crowd. Why? Because it's scary being the only one. Better to have friends, even if their lying." What that quote that I just posted is saying is that even if someone sees the truth on a certain subject that they may still be afraid to share that truth with others out of fear of being ostracized and ridiculed.


I haven't yet, so that is a misconception on your part. I was referring to the rabid Ron Paul loons that were running about spewing various idiotic shit when he ran for president. You just happened to mention his name.
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Postby steveo777 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:58 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?


Sure they can.
Do I think the media is capable of sitting on the scoop of the century more than 9 years after the event took place?
No way...
Even the NYTimes only sat on the illegall wiretap story for a year.
Someone would've squealed.



One thing that any government will do is try to paint someone as being unpatriotic if they don't follow the "company line" on what they say. Dan Rather has said this himself. That if someone doesn't go along with what the government says that their painted as being unpatriotic.

Look at what Steveo777 is trying to do right now. He's trying to just dismiss me as being some "loon."
"You know what you see. But your afraid to go against the crowd. Why? Because it's scary being the only one. Better to have friends, even if their lying." What that quote that I just posted is saying is that even if someone sees the truth on a certain subject that they may still be afraid to share that truth with others out of fear of being ostracized and ridiculed.


I haven't yet, so that is a misconception on your part. I was referring to the rabid Ron Paul loons that were running about spewing various idiotic shit when he ran for president. You just happened to mention his name.


OK, sorry for the misunderstanding!

Just wondering, what was the reason your sister asked you to watch "Loose Change?" What are her thoughts on the topic?


I have two sisters and the one that asked me to watch Loose Change is the one who lives in Seattle. The other one works for American and lives in Ca. I think she was just amazed at what was being implied and wanted my take on it and it was really strange for her since our sister works for American. She definitely doesn't think the govt. had anything to do with it.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:11 pm

steveo777 wrote:[the one that asked me to watch Loose Change is the one who lives in Seattle.


Say no more! :lol:
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Postby Tomulator » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:12 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Tomulator wrote:It's bullshit you know.

Fucking retarded Libs.

I wouldn't paint the 9-11 Truth Movement as being narrowly confined to one political faction over another.
I've witnessed alot of this on both sides.
In fact, much of the activity generated by the Truthers has stemmed from Ron Paul- survivalist libertarian types, and Alex Jones new-world-order, anti-government paranoids.
In other words, the hard right.
Not surprisingly, the first national figures to openly express doubts in the official story were extreme leftist, Rosie O'Donnell, and self-identified libertarian, Jesse Ventura.
Together, they represent a fair cross-section of "believers".


Fair enough...

Fucking retarded people!

There.

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Postby Tomulator » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:14 pm

steveo777 wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:You don't think the government has the ability to largely control the media?

Hell, I never even heard any claims of it being our government that carried out the attacks until about a year ago. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Yet, the government continues to hide everything to the best of their ability. Why was all of the steel from the World Trade Centers shipped off to be melted down in China as quickly as it could be?
Could it be to hide the proven fact that thermite and thermate were found in abundance in the steel of the WTC beams?

Why was there thermite and thermate in the WTC's?

Was MARVIN BUSH one of the chiefs of security of the WTC's or not?

Were there "War Games" going on on 9/11/2001 or not?

What hit the Pentagon, because it certainly wasn't the plane that they claim hit it. You can't force a round peg into a square hole.

I simply don't have the time to list all of the questions that the government can't truthfully answer.


An American Airlines jet flew into the towers and my sister who works for American lost some coworkers. Where did American flight 77 go, if not the Pentagon? Those loses of planes and personnel were very real.


I hear you.

I lost my brother-in-law in the North Tower. Try telling his wirfe and two kidds that the govt. conspired to kill him.

BULLSHIT.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:19 am

US Government had nothing to do with planning or carying the 9/11 attacks. Those believing otherwise needs their heads examed.

However , we all know that US government is good at using any kind of catastrophy in their advantage to use the US people, emotionally as well as financially. They like to sugarcoat things both ways, by puttin fear in peoples mind and lives, but also by reassuring them that "yeah we got it under control"....and lastly to cover up their own mistakes by sugarcoating shit with stories of heros and such.....
There are more facts out there that proves that the flight 93 was not taken down by some heros on the plane but rather shot down. There are also eye witness reports that the plane that hit the pentagon was already in flames.

These are little white lies for the goverment to cover up its own "mistakes",,, where in all reality they shouldve gone out in the first place and said "Yes we had to shoot down 2 of our own planes, sacrifising 100s of our own peoples lives , to save 1000s...."...
No matter how you look at this, People get mad at the government when the goverment is busted lying to them,,, but US Government isnt the only government that ever lied to its own people,,, this is nothing compared to many goverments both in Europe and Middle East.
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Postby Tomulator » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:06 am

Behshad wrote:US Government had nothing to do with planning or carying the 9/11 attacks. Those believing otherwise needs their heads examed.

However , we all know that US government is good at using any kind of catastrophy in their advantage to use the US people, emotionally as well as financially. They like to sugarcoat things both ways, by puttin fear in peoples mind and lives, but also by reassuring them that "yeah we got it under control"....and lastly to cover up their own mistakes by sugarcoating shit with stories of heros and such.....
There are more facts out there that proves that the flight 93 was not taken down by some heros on the plane but rather shot down. There are also eye witness reports that the plane that hit the pentagon was already in flames.

These are little white lies for the goverment to cover up its own "mistakes",,, where in all reality they shouldve gone out in the first place and said "Yes we had to shoot down 2 of our own planes, sacrifising 100s of our own peoples lives , to save 1000s...."...
No matter how you look at this, People get mad at the government when the goverment is busted lying to them,,, but US Government isnt the only government that ever lied to its own people,,, this is nothing compared to many goverments both in Europe and Middle East.


Sorry...but this is utter BS. Give proof to your assertions. The USA did NOT shoot down it's own plane. Sorry. That is a LIE.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:39 am

Tomulator wrote:
Behshad wrote:US Government had nothing to do with planning or carying the 9/11 attacks. Those believing otherwise needs their heads examed.

However , we all know that US government is good at using any kind of catastrophy in their advantage to use the US people, emotionally as well as financially. They like to sugarcoat things both ways, by puttin fear in peoples mind and lives, but also by reassuring them that "yeah we got it under control"....and lastly to cover up their own mistakes by sugarcoating shit with stories of heros and such.....
There are more facts out there that proves that the flight 93 was not taken down by some heros on the plane but rather shot down. There are also eye witness reports that the plane that hit the pentagon was already in flames.

These are little white lies for the goverment to cover up its own "mistakes",,, where in all reality they shouldve gone out in the first place and said "Yes we had to shoot down 2 of our own planes, sacrifising 100s of our own peoples lives , to save 1000s...."...
No matter how you look at this, People get mad at the government when the goverment is busted lying to them,,, but US Government isnt the only government that ever lied to its own people,,, this is nothing compared to many goverments both in Europe and Middle East.


Sorry...but this is utter BS. Give proof to your assertions. The USA did NOT shoot down it's own plane. Sorry. That is a LIE.


No need to get bent out of shape,,, its all old new,,,, you give me your proof that it wasnt show down. Guess there are loons at both side of the fence :)


"I am an Air Force veteran. I was serving at Langley AFB, Virginia on Sept. 11. (not to be confused with CIA headquarters at Langley, VA). The "Alert Squadron" of 4 F-16 Falcons also stationed at Langley AFB was scrambled AFTER the "plane" crashed into the Pentagon. Because of my position as a ground equipment mechanic, I had access to the flightline operations that day. My friends were Crew Cheifs and Weapons Loaders, among other professions on the flightline that day. One of my [unusual] duties that day was to drive a Loader (personal friend) along with a rack of live missiles (AIM-9's and AIM-120's) across the active runway to the Alert Squadron and drop them off. I was towing equipment to the flightline, so when it was time to go back and pick up the Loader (and our missile trailer) I was unable to do so, but another member of my Flight (a good friend, and later roommate) did go. According to my roommate (and I later confirmed with the Loader) the Loader was completely silent most of the trip back to our side of the base, after they crossed the active, he spoke. "They shot one down." JJ replied "WHAT?" Loader:"One of those 16's came back with one less missile than it left with" That was all. As they pulled back in to the squadron area, The loader was whisked away by his commanders for debriefing. I didn't see him for a few days, but when I did, he said he couldn't talk about it, but he confirmed that what my roommate had told me was true.

The US Air Force shot down Flight 93. I haven't told this to many people. I told my parents and other family members shortly after I left the military. They didn't believe it. I figured no one else would either. I kept my mouth shut. Everyone was dedicated to the president and the country (not really) And anything that went against the Official, media delivered story was viewed as unpatriotic. I knew that I loved this country, so I kept my mouth shut. I just can't do that anymore. I know that I don't have any documents to prove it, and I have no way of knowing where the others involved are now days, so I can't prove anything. All I have is my word. and with God as my witness that is the truth."



The Daily Mirror cites other factors bolstering the case for a possible shootdown of UA Flight 93:


"The U.S. government insists the plane exploded on impact, yet a one-ton section of the engine was found over a mile away and other light debris was found scattered over eight miles away.

"Passenger Edward Felt made an emergency call from the plane. He spoke of an explosion and seeing some white smoke. The supervisor who took the call has been gagged by the FBI.

"UA93 was identified as a hijack at 9:16 am. At 9:35 am three F-16s were ordered to 'protect the White House at all costs' when it turned towards the capital. At 10:06 am it crashed at Shanksville, less than 10 minutes flying time from Washington.

"Sources claim the last thing heard on the cockpit voice recorder is the sound of wind - suggesting the plane had been holed.

"The FBI insists there was no military plane in the area, but at 9:22 am a sonic boom - caused by a supersonic jet - was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville."
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:50 am

Some more info, FactFinder style :

'A horrendous decision'

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

Vice President Cheney: "Well, the -- I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."

NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"

Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."

Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"



Flight 93:
Proof of 9/11 Lies by the US Government and Media

An article detailing Flight 93's last minutes was briefly available at dailynews.yahoo.com on 9/11/2001. It not fit the official story of the last moments of Flight 93 and rapidly disappeared from news websites, but it can still be found at the web archive:

Minutes before the 10 a.m. crash, an emergency dispatcher in Pennsylvania received a cell phone call from a man who said he was a passenger locked in a bathroom aboard United Flight 93. The man repeatedly said the call was not a hoax, said dispatch supervisor Glenn Cramer in neighboring Westmoreland County. "We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" Cramer quoted the man from a transcript of the call. The man told dispatchers the plane "was going down. He heard some sort of explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane and we lost contact with him," Cramer said. [Yahoo News, Tuesday September 11 11:27 PM EDT]

Thanks to a reader a paper version of the story also emerged:




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It was reported that a missile was heard before the crash:

"I know of two people - I will not mention names - that heard a missile," [Mayor Ernie Stuhl] said. "They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards. . .This one fellow's served in Vietnam and he says he's heard them, and he heard one that day." The mayor adds that based on what he knows about that morning, military F-16 fighter jets were "very, very close." [philly.com]

Debris fell from Flight 93 nearly six miles from the crash scene...

[I]nvestigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake, where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."

"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said. Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane. [pittsburghlive.com]

...human remains were found miles from the crash scene...

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine. [Pittsburgh Post Gazette]

...light debris was found eight miles from the crash scene...

"Pennsylvania state police officials said on Thursday debris from the plane had been found up to 8 miles away [from the crash site] in a residential community where local media have quoted residents as speaking of a second plane in the area and burning debris falling from the sky." [Idaho Observer]

...and the following footage proves Flight 93 did not crash in a single piece but came apart in midair and scattered over a wide area:


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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:57 am

It's absolutely true Tomulator. The evidence is staggering. Also, you notice after the big chunk of the plane was found in the Pennsylvania dirt, how quickly the USAF was there, forming a perimeter around the crash and not letting anyone near that area? There was a reason they were A) there so quickly. They knew exactly where the plane was shot and would land, and B) they cordoned off that mile radius as to not anyone get a sniff of what may have happened. Also, I find it really peculiar that the plane landed in an open field. Gee, don't think the USAF knew when and where to strike as to the best "landing area" for the craft to minimize loss of life on the ground?

Actually, the Gov't probably did the correct thing by shooting it down over an empty field, rather than have it fly into dense people ridden DC somewhere.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:59 am

Rockindeano wrote:It's absolutely true Tomulator. The evidence is staggering. Also, you notice after the big chunk of the plane was found in the Pennsylvania dirt, how quickly the USAF was there, forming a perimeter around the crash and not letting anyone near that area? There was a reason they were A) there so quickly. They knew exactly where the plane was shot and would land, and B) they cordoned off that mile radius as to not anyone get a sniff of what may have happened. Also, I find it really peculiar that the plane landed in an open field. Gee, don't think the USAF knew when and where to strike as to the best "landing area" for the craft to minimize loss of life on the ground?

Actually, the Gov't probably did the correct thing by shooting it down over an empty field, rather than have it fly into dense people ridden DC somewhere.


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Postby Tomulator » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:46 am

Rockindeano wrote:It's absolutely true Tomulator. The evidence is staggering. Also, you notice after the big chunk of the plane was found in the Pennsylvania dirt, how quickly the USAF was there, forming a perimeter around the crash and not letting anyone near that area? There was a reason they were A) there so quickly. They knew exactly where the plane was shot and would land, and B) they cordoned off that mile radius as to not anyone get a sniff of what may have happened. Also, I find it really peculiar that the plane landed in an open field. Gee, don't think the USAF knew when and where to strike as to the best "landing area" for the craft to minimize loss of life on the ground?

Actually, the Gov't probably did the correct thing by shooting it down over an empty field, rather than have it fly into dense people ridden DC somewhere.


Again...I see NO PROOF to these very serious allegations. It's all rumors, tales, and people who probably have not had enough attention in their lives and feel the need to create a "non existent" conspiracy.

I don't take people's stories as "fact" and you shouldn't either. Especially on something like this.

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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:52 am

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Rockindeano wrote:It's absolutely true Tomulator. The evidence is staggering. Also, you notice after the big chunk of the plane was found in the Pennsylvania dirt, how quickly the USAF was there, forming a perimeter around the crash and not letting anyone near that area? There was a reason they were A) there so quickly. They knew exactly where the plane was shot and would land, and B) they cordoned off that mile radius as to not anyone get a sniff of what may have happened. Also, I find it really peculiar that the plane landed in an open field. Gee, don't think the USAF knew when and where to strike as to the best "landing area" for the craft to minimize loss of life on the ground?

Actually, the Gov't probably did the correct thing by shooting it down over an empty field, rather than have it fly into dense people ridden DC somewhere.


Again...I see NO PROOF to these very serious allegations. It's all rumors, tales, and people who probably have not had enough attention in their lives and feel the need to create a "non existent" conspiracy.

I don't take people's stories as "fact" and you shouldn't either. Especially on something like this.

JMO


Well if you wanna belive in what you hear on TV and base your opinion as such facts and disregard everything else as STORIES, then youre dumber than those who think this was all a conspiracy ! This is MORE than stories,, these ARE facts,,,, theres stacks of evidence that proves that the planes were shot down.
Let me see YOUR PROOF to the fact they werent shot down.Oh youre going by what the government and media said? oh well then that makes it fact :roll:

Have you ever wondered why there is at least a dozen of footage from different angles that shows the planes hit the towers, but not ONE single footage of the plane hitting pentagon!??? because the plane was already on fire BEFORE it hit the building.
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Postby Tomulator » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:55 am

In case any of you actually want to know the FACTS.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Un ... _Flight_93

Geez...it's embarassing that I should even have to defend this...
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:57 am

Tomulator wrote:In case any of you actually want to know the FACTS.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Un ... _Flight_93

Geez...it's embarassing that I should even have to defend this...


So your sources , which also tell thing based on stories THEY believe in, are FACTS? put the blind fold back on, no sense in debating with you.
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Postby Tomulator » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:48 am

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Tomulator wrote:In case any of you actually want to know the FACTS.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Un ... _Flight_93

Geez...it's embarassing that I should even have to defend this...


So your sources , which also tell thing based on stories THEY believe in, are FACTS? put the blind fold back on, no sense in debating with you.


All the "sources" have legitimate references. Where are yours? Did you even bother to read the facts I linked you to ? Cell phone records, black box recordings, crash data, doesn't lie. Face it, you are subscribing to "junk information" which is not based on the FACTS.
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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:55 am

Tomulator wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Tomulator wrote:In case any of you actually want to know the FACTS.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Un ... _Flight_93

Geez...it's embarassing that I should even have to defend this...


So your sources , which also tell thing based on stories THEY believe in, are FACTS? put the blind fold back on, no sense in debating with you.


All the "sources" have legitimate references. Where are yours? Did you even bother to read the facts I linked you to ? Cell phone records, black box recordings, crash data, doesn't lie. Face it, you are subscribing to "junk information" which is not based on the FACTS.


I read it,, it was the compilation of bunch of garbage,,,,,Show me facts and footage of the plane that hit pentagon, seconds before the impact.

As Deano said, shooting down the plane in middle of nowhere was a WISE decison by the government....... HIDING it from people was not.... There are facts that pieces of the plane were found miles away from the crash,,, are you suggesting that the terrorists onboard started shooting parts of the plane down before it was taken down?

Oh and here,, go back to reality :

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Postby Tomulator » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:05 am

http://www.911myths.com/html/explosion_and_smoke.html

Don't let the FACTS get in the way of a good story eh?

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Postby Behshad » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:10 am

Tomulator wrote:http://www.911myths.com/html/explosion_and_smoke.html

Don't let the FACTS get in the way of a good story eh?

:roll:


Let me ask you this. What do YOU think happened onboard that flight?
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